Can dna matches give an indication of my y-dna?

[Fiko0]

Hello all!

I recently uploaded my raw dna data from myheritage to FTDNA and their database shows many more matches. With the matches in FTDNA you can also see which Y-DNA they have.

I noticed that I have many matches with men who belong to the haplogroup R-M269.

I have sorted the number of matches with men from different haplogroups.

R-M269: 27 matches
R-M198: 5 matches
Total matches for R: 53

Total matches for I: 12
Total matches for J: 10
Total matches for E: 7
Total matches for G: 4

The number 1 and highest match and according to them my 2nd - 4th cousin (maybe from motherside) is with a guy that belongs to haplogroup R1a (R-M198)

Can this be an indication of my own Y-DNA? I ordered a ydna37 kit anyway but was just curious about what it could be =)

https://i.imgur.com/KojVg44.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YpMCRgI.jpg

[Kaspias]

They can't

[Pine]

Statistically, yes.

[Fiko0]

They can't

Hm dont know. A meskheti Turk thats a descendant from Atabegs did recently a test. He has R1b-m269.

But our people has also high frequencies of J2 (J-M172).

Probably im J but still not sure as im closer to georgians and north kafkas.

[Rædwald]

Have you tried running your raw data through the morley subclade predictor?

https://ytree.morleydna.com/

[PaleoEuropean]

Have you tried running your raw data through the morley subclade predictor?

https://ytree.morleydna.com/

They actually got mine close before I did 23 and me.

[Bessarion]

Hello all!

I recently uploaded my raw dna data from myheritage to FTDNA and their database shows many more matches. With the matches in FTDNA you can also see which Y-DNA they have.

I noticed that I have many matches with men who belong to the haplogroup R-M269.

I have sorted the number of matches with men from different haplogroups.

R-M269: 27 matches
R-M198: 5 matches
Total matches for R: 53

Total matches for I: 12
Total matches for J: 10
Total matches for E: 7
Total matches for G: 4

The number 1 and highest match and according to them my 2nd - 4th cousin (maybe from motherside) is with a guy that belongs to haplogroup R1a (R-M198)

Can this be an indication of my own Y-DNA? I ordered a ydna37 kit anyway but was just curious about what it could be =)

https://i.imgur.com/KojVg44.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YpMCRgI.jpg

How did you do that? I upload my results before but except my origins, ancient origins, matches, etc. I don't see the tool for y-dna...thank you.

[Fiko0]

Have you tried running your raw data through the morley subclade predictor?

https://ytree.morleydna.com/

Man, why didnt you tell me this in earlier stage? =D Now i have bought a y37 test for nothing pff..

The tool that you gave predicts J2a1b! I knew it!!!

[Fiko0]

Hm strange. I tried another predictor: www.hprg.com and copied and paste the same values from morleyDNA.
This predictor says i'm R1b -.-''

Results Table
Haplo- group score Proba-bility (%)
E1b1a 0.7
E1b1b 3.7
G2a 1.6
G2c -
H -
I1 11.6
I2a (xI2a1) 1.1
I2a1 -
I2b (xI2b1) -
I2b1 2.6
J1 -
J2a1b -
J2a1h -
J2a1 x J2a1-bh -
J2b 1.4
L -
N -
Q 0.4
R1a 4.2
R1b 72.7
T -

Oh now i see, this is based on Northwest-Europe.
If i select meditteranean i get:
E1b1b 0 19.9%
R1b 0 29.1%

[Bessarion]

Hm strange. I tried another predictor: www.hprg.com and copied and paste the same values from morleyDNA.
This predictor says i'm R1b -.-''

Results Table
Haplo- group score Proba-bility (%)
E1b1a 0.7
E1b1b 3.7
G2a 1.6
G2c -
H -
I1 11.6
I2a (xI2a1) 1.1
I2a1 -
I2b (xI2b1) -
I2b1 2.6
J1 -
J2a1b -
J2a1h -
J2a1 x J2a1-bh -
J2b 1.4
L -
N -
Q 0.4
R1a 4.2
R1b 72.7
T -

Oh now i see, this is based on Northwest-Europe.
If i select meditteranean i get:
E1b1b 0 19.9%
R1b 0 29.1%

The same for me, Morley with J2, but hprg with:

Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
E1a 0 0.3
E1b1a 0 0.8
E1b1b 0 4.0
G1 0 0.3
G2a 0 2.0
G2b 0 0.5
I1 0 12.0
I2a 0 3.0
I2b 0 3.0
J1 0 0.5
J2a 0 2.1
J2b 0 1.2
L 0 0.5
N 0 1.0
O 0 0.5
Q 0 0.8
R1a 0 4.0
R1b 0 62.0
R2 0 0.5
T 0 1.0

with east Europe:

Results Table
Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
E1a 0 0.2
E1b1a 0 0.5
E1b1b 0 4.5
G1 0 0.4
G2a 0 1.5
G2b 0 0.7
I1 0 12.0
I2a 0 3.0
I2b 0 0.5
J1 0 0.5
J2a 0 2.1
J2b 0 1.8
L 0 0.5
N 0 3.5
O 0 0.7
Q 0 1.2
R1a 0 54.0
R1b 0 11.2
R2 0 0.5
T 0 0.7

and with Mediterranean:

Results Table
Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
E1a 0 1.0
E1b1a 0 5.0
E1b1b 0 12.0
G1 0 1.0
G2a 0 7.0
G2b 0 1.0
I1 0 4.0
I2a 0 7.0
I2b 0 0.5
J1 0 2.0
J2a 0 13.0
J2b 0 4.0
L 0 5.0
N 0 0.5
O 0 1.0
Q 0 2.0
R1a 0 4.0
R1b 0 22.0
R2 0 4.0
T 0 4.0

and from http://members.bex.net mostly

Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
R1b-S21* =>29% Q-M3 =>18% R1b-S21-Scottish2 =>8% K2 (T) =>7% R1b-Frisian4 =>7% Q-M242-Group1 =>6% R1a-Polish =>5% R1b-Frisian3 =>5% R1b-C.Europe =>4% R1b-N.Irish =>3% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>3% Ix-S23 =>2% I-S31* =>2%

[Fiko0]

The same for me, Morley with J2, but hprg with:

Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
E1a 0 0.3
E1b1a 0 0.8
E1b1b 0 4.0
G1 0 0.3
G2a 0 2.0
G2b 0 0.5
I1 0 12.0
I2a 0 3.0
I2b 0 3.0
J1 0 0.5
J2a 0 2.1
J2b 0 1.2
L 0 0.5
N 0 1.0
O 0 0.5
Q 0 0.8
R1a 0 4.0
R1b 0 62.0
R2 0 0.5
T 0 1.0

with east Europe:

Results Table
Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
E1a 0 0.2
E1b1a 0 0.5
E1b1b 0 4.5
G1 0 0.4
G2a 0 1.5
G2b 0 0.7
I1 0 12.0
I2a 0 3.0
I2b 0 0.5
J1 0 0.5
J2a 0 2.1
J2b 0 1.8
L 0 0.5
N 0 3.5
O 0 0.7
Q 0 1.2
R1a 0 54.0
R1b 0 11.2
R2 0 0.5
T 0 0.7

and with Mediterranean:

Results Table
Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
E1a 0 1.0
E1b1a 0 5.0
E1b1b 0 12.0
G1 0 1.0
G2a 0 7.0
G2b 0 1.0
I1 0 4.0
I2a 0 7.0
I2b 0 0.5
J1 0 2.0
J2a 0 13.0
J2b 0 4.0
L 0 5.0
N 0 0.5
O 0 1.0
Q 0 2.0
R1a 0 4.0
R1b 0 22.0
R2 0 4.0
T 0 4.0

J2 for a european cant be accurate bro..

[Bessarion]

J2 for a european cant be accurate bro..
Yes, it is an unlikely prediction, from others calculators seems more logic.
Actually, I made a mistake, first should be like your:

Results Table
Haplo-
group Fitness
score Proba-
bility
(%)
C3 0 -
E1a 0 -
E1b1a 0 0.7
E1b1b 0 3.7
G1 0 -
G2a 0 1.6
G2c 0 -
H 0 0.3
I1 0 11.7
I2a (xI2a1) 0 1.1
I2a1 0 -
I2b (xI2b1) 0 -
I2b1 0 2.7
J1 0 -
J2a4b 0 -
J2a4h 0 -
J2a4 (x bh) 0 -
J2b 0 1.4
L 0 -
N 0 -
O2 0 -
O3 0 -
Q 0 0.4
R1a 0 4.5
R1b 0 71.9
R2 0 -
T 0 -

In this document https://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(17)30164-6/pdf they claim, as follow;

...predicted haplogroups using 3 different predictors from haplotypes
consisting of 12 Y-STR and produced correct predictions for 98.80%
(Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor), 97.59% (Jim Cullen's Haplogroup
Predictor) and 98.19% (YPredictor by Vadim Urasin 1.5.0) of the individuals...

The statement is in my opinion to optimistic in accuracy.

In the end of a day, it seems that there is some "R-type".

[Rædwald]

You can also try to upload to Wegene, as it can give a y-DNA, and mt-DNA prediction.

[Fiko0]

You can also try to upload to Wegene, as it can give a y-DNA, and mt-DNA prediction.

Unfortunately they dont accept raw data from MyHeritage...

[Kaspias]

In order to make a prediction in hprg you should have done at least Y-12 test, you should have STR numbers. The text you copied from Morley's data doesn't involves same input with hprg. All of yours Hprg predictions are just random.

Morley is accurate most of time. J2 is typical and expected for Balkanites.

[Bessarion]

In order to make a prediction in hprg you should have done at least Y-12 test, you should have STR numbers. The text you copied from Morley's data doesn't involves same input with hprg. All of yours Hprg predictions are just random.

Morley is accurate most of time. J2 is typical and expected for Balkanites.

Yes, you are right, there are just random numbers. When I saw maps it is not so unlikely to get J2, Y-dna can be very dissimilar from your family heritage...thanks.

[Fiko0]

In order to make a prediction in hprg you should have done at least Y-12 test, you should have STR numbers. The text you copied from Morley's data doesn't involves same input with hprg. All of yours Hprg predictions are just random.

Morley is accurate most of time. J2 is typical and expected for Balkanites.

Yep their prediction was correct! I'm officialy J2a1 now!