Descendants of Cumans

[migrec]

I was reading about the kipchak languages and stumbled upon this map:

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Red: Kipchak–Bulgar
Yellow: Kipchak–Nogai and Kyrgyz–Kipchak
Green: Kipchak–Cuman

Look at the green areas, seem to include regions such as Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria, N. Ossetia, Chechnya, Dagestan and Crimea.
So they speak Kipchak–Cuman turkic, but are they ethnically Kipchak-Cuman descendants? To me they look very caucasian... Aren't Cuman descendants spread in Ukraine, Romania & Hungary? or is it both?

[Ayetooey]

Yes.

[migrec]

Yes.

You're always straight on point, no more words than required :)


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Balkar @ 4.64
2 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Kabardin @ 4.74
3 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.19
4 67.5% Romanian + 32.5% Balkar @ 5.24
5 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Ossetian @ 5.29
6 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Nogay @ 5.42
7 67% Romanian + 33% Kabardin @ 5.51
8 72% Bulgarian + 28% Adygei @ 5.71
9 70.2% Romanian + 29.8% North_Ossetian @ 5.87
10 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Kumyk @ 5.93
11 71% Romanian + 29% Ossetian @ 6.03
12 56% Moldavian + 44% Turkish @ 6.03
13 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Adygei @ 6.19
14 61.9% Serbian + 38.1% Balkar @ 6.21
15 64.3% Moldavian + 35.7% Armenian @ 6.29
16 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Chechen @ 6.32
17 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Abhkasian @ 6.34
18 66.1% Romanian + 33.9% Kumyk @ 6.36
19 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Abhkasian @ 6.4
20 77% Bulgarian + 23% Georgian @ 6.5

Does this mean I can play as Cumans in the upcoming Age of Empires II DE?

[migrec]

Does no one have any input on this? I feel sceptical still, these people have low siberian... that would mean that cumans did too, but are not cumans and kipchaks (with more turkic DNA) closely related? They had an empire together...

[Crimson Winds]

There is only one Cuman autosomal DNA found as I know in modern-day Ukraine and it was around %20-25 East Eurasian as I remember.

[PaleoEuropean]

I was reading about the kipchak languages and stumbled upon this map:

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Red: Kipchak–Bulgar
Yellow: Kipchak–Nogai and Kyrgyz–Kipchak
Green: Kipchak–Cuman

Look at the green areas, seem to include regions such as Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria, N. Ossetia, Chechnya, Dagestan and Crimea.
So they speak Kipchak–Cuman turkic, but are they ethnically Kipchak-Cuman descendants? To me they look very caucasian... Aren't Cuman descendants spread in Ukraine, Romania & Hungary? or is it both?

Is the Map Red highest or orange highest?

[PaleoEuropean]

Does no one have any input on this? I feel sceptical still, these people have low siberian... that would mean that cumans did too, but are not cumans and kipchaks (with more turkic DNA) closely related? They had an empire together...

I don't really see any Asiatic influence except in the more Muscovy/Finno sphere and in the Southern Magyar sphere. Mr.G is probably the most Magyar looking dude I have seen that I knew was from that area, but I am sure they have some admixture wise from the Sabirs/Tartars too.