Northern Greek Gedmatch Results

[Kaspias]

Serres.

y-DNA: C-V222
mt-DNA: W4a


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.81
2 North_Atlantic 25.06
3 East_Med 16.64
4 West_Med 15.22
5 West_Asian 10.06
6 Red_Sea 2.76
7 Siberian 1.73
8 Northeast_African 0.6
9 Oceanian 0.07
10 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.58
2 Romanian 4.07
3 Bulgarian 6.32
4 Moldavian 7.7
5 Hungarian 9.84
6 Croatian 10.22
7 Austrian 13.3
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.76
9 East_German 14.96
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.49
11 South_Polish 17.07
12 Ukrainian 17.79
13 West_German 18.19
14 North_Italian 18.4
15 Tuscan 19.07
16 French 19.54
17 South_Dutch 19.75
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.63
19 Southwest_Russian 20.69
20 Polish 20.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 47.1% Estonian_Polish @ 1.47
2 88.2% Romanian + 11.8% East_Finnish @ 1.53
3 86.3% Romanian + 13.7% Belorussian @ 1.6
4 87.8% Romanian + 12.2% Finnish @ 1.62
5 80.3% Bulgarian + 19.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.65
6 57.1% South_Polish + 42.9% East_Sicilian @ 1.67
7 60.3% South_Polish + 39.7% South_Italian @ 1.68
8 53.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 46.6% Belorussian @ 1.7
9 56% Central_Greek + 44% Estonian @ 1.71
10 86.2% Romanian + 13.8% Estonian_Polish @ 1.71
11 57.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 1.73
12 84.9% Romanian + 15.1% Southwest_Russian @ 1.73
13 55.9% South_Polish + 44.1% Central_Greek @ 1.74
14 88.2% Romanian + 11.8% Estonian @ 1.74
15 86.1% Romanian + 13.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.78
16 51.5% South_Italian + 48.5% Estonian @ 1.79
17 88.5% Romanian + 11.5% Lithuanian @ 1.8
18 87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 1.84
19 50.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 49.9% Southwest_Russian @ 1.84
20 53.7% Ukrainian + 46.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.84



Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.92
2 Baltic 16.89
3 East_Med 13.58
4 Atlantic 12.29
5 Eastern_Euro 11.86
6 West_Med 11.75
7 West_Asian 8.55
8 Red_Sea 2.78
9 Siberian 0.88
10 Northeast_African 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.15
2 Romanian 6.24
3 Moldavian 7.65
4 Hungarian 8.78
5 Bulgarian 8.89
6 Croatian 10.26
7 Austrian 11.52
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.5
9 East_German 13.69
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.47
11 Ukrainian 15.45
12 South_Polish 15.55
13 Greek 16.11
14 West_German 16.84
15 North_Italian 17.64
16 Tuscan 17.71
17 French 17.73
18 South_Dutch 18
19 Polish 18.31
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% Finnish @ 3.01
2 62.6% Greek_Thessaly + 37.4% Estonian @ 3.12
3 83.1% Hungarian + 16.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.23
4 82.6% Hungarian + 17.4% Samaritan @ 3.25
5 80.4% Hungarian + 19.6% Cyprian @ 3.29
6 61.8% Hungarian + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.47
7 70.2% Hungarian + 29.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.47
8 79.5% Hungarian + 20.5% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.63
9 83.6% Hungarian + 16.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.66
10 53.6% Greek_Thessaly + 46.4% Ukrainian @ 3.67
11 81.4% Hungarian + 18.6% Syrian @ 3.68
12 81.4% Hungarian + 18.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.68
13 83.4% Hungarian + 16.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.69
14 61.4% Greek_Thessaly + 38.6% East_Finnish @ 3.72
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.8
16 82.4% Hungarian + 17.6% Jordanian @ 3.9
17 59.9% Greek_Thessaly + 40.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.92
18 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Assyrian @ 3.94
19 83% Hungarian + 17% Palestinian @ 3.95
20 71.6% Hungarian + 28.4% Central_Greek @ 3.95



MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.61
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.59
3 European_Early_Farmers 19.68
4 Near_East 4.73
5 South_Central_Asian 4.7
6 East_Siberian 1.74
7 North_African 1.28
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.24
9 South_East_Asian 0.73
10 Archaic_African 0.42
11 Amerindian 0.35
12 East_African 0.32
13 Australoid 0.25
14 Archaic_Human 0.24
15 African_Pygmy 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serb_Serbia ( ) 3.27
2 Montenegrian ( ) 3.52
3 Serb_BH ( ) 4.6
4 Croat ( ) 4.85
5 Bulgarian ( ) 5.34
6 Bosnian ( ) 5.43
7 Macedonian ( ) 5.83
8 Croat_BH ( ) 6.35
9 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 7.64
10 Slovenian ( ) 8.08
11 Hungarian ( ) 8.56
12 Greek_Northwest ( ) 8.85
13 Czech ( ) 9.67
14 Sicilian_West ( ) 9.73
15 Romanian ( ) 10.23
16 Kosovar ( ) 10.26
17 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 10.65
18 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 10.76
19 Slovak ( ) 10.87
20 Austrian ( ) 11.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 26.3% Russian-North ( ) @ 1.73
2 77.4% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 22.6% Vepsa ( ) @ 1.74
3 70% Hungarian ( ) + 30% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.8
4 78.1% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 21.9% Karelian ( ) @ 1.85
5 67.2% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 32.8% Russian-North-West ( ) @ 1.88
6 72.6% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 27.4% Estonian ( ) @ 1.9
7 72.2% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 27.8% Erzya ( ) @ 1.9
8 71.3% Slovenian ( ) + 28.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.9
9 69% Kosovar ( ) + 31% Erzya ( ) @ 1.9
10 58.7% Gagauz ( ) + 41.3% North_German ( ) @ 1.91
11 55.3% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 44.7% Slovak ( ) @ 1.92
12 59.5% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 40.5% Kashub ( ) @ 1.93
13 69.5% Gagauz ( ) + 30.5% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.96
14 61% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 39% Sorb ( ) @ 2
15 68.1% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 31.9% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 2.01
16 64.6% Kosovar ( ) + 35.4% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 2.01
17 53.9% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 46.1% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 2.02
18 54.9% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 45.1% Don_cossack ( ) @ 2.04
19 69.6% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 30.4% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) @ 2.04
20 73.9% Kosovar ( ) + 26.1% Tatar_Mishar ( ) @ 2.05



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.25
2 Neolithic 26.8
3 NorthEastEuropean 22.19
4 Steppe 16.83
5 NearEast 1.8
6 NorthAfrican 1.08
7 Siberian 0.63
8 Australian 0.23
9 Ancestor 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 1.99
2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 2.29
3 Macedonian (Macedonia) 2.99
4 Romanian (Apuseni) 3.03
5 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 3.71
6 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 3.89
7 Romanian (Gorj) 3.98
8 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.03
9 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.27
10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.6
11 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.74
12 Croat (Croatia) 5.8
13 Italian (Friul) 6.01
14 Romanian (Romania) 6.88
15 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.07
16 Austrian (Austria) 7.12
17 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.18
18 Kosovar (Kosovo) 7.37
19 Slovenian (Slovenia) 7.7
20 Hungarian (Budapest) 8.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 27% German (Germany) @ 1.6
2 80.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 19.1% English (Kent) @ 1.68
3 97.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.71
4 97.7% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.3% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 1.71
5 71.1% Serbian (Serbia) + 28.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.73
6 78% Serbian (Serbia) + 22% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 1.73
7 54% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 46% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.73
8 97.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.5% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 1.74
9 91.4% Serbian (Serbia) + 8.6% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.77
10 91.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 8.5% Albanian (Albania) @ 1.78
11 54% Albanian (Albania) + 46% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.78
12 97.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.5% Adygei (Adygea) @ 1.78
13 97.6% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.4% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 1.78
14 78.7% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 21.3% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 1.79
15 97.8% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.2% Armenian (Armenia) @ 1.79
16 97.7% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.3% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 1.8
17 83.7% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 16.3% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 1.8
18 97.7% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.3% Georgian (Laz) @ 1.8
19 97.8% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.2% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 1.8
20 97.6% Serbian (Serbia) + 2.4% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 1.8



PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 44.8
2 Mediterranean 28.49
3 Caucasian 15.58
4 SW_Asian 7.37
5 Siberian 1.47
6 Horn_Of_Africa 1.33
7 Oceanian 0.41
8 S_African 0.4
9 Wht_Nile_River 0.12
10 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 2.99
2 Serbian 5.05
3 Macedonian 5.25
4 Romanian 7.1
5 Bulgarian 7.41
6 Croatian 8.67
7 Montenegrin 9.19
8 French 10.42
9 Hungarian 10.57
10 South_German 10.73
11 Utahn_White 11.33
12 Austrian 11.62
13 Slovenian 11.9
14 Italian 12.23
15 Irish 12.66
16 English 13.55
17 Orcadian 13.6
18 North_German 14.8
19 Greek_Thessaly 14.87
20 Scottish 15.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.8% Slovenian + 21.2% Samaritian @ 1.48
2 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% Saudi @ 1.55
3 80.7% Hungarian + 19.3% Samaritian @ 1.6
4 71.4% Swedish + 28.6% Druze @ 1.64
5 62.3% Greek_Thessaly + 37.7% Mordovian @ 1.7
6 83.8% Croatian + 16.2% Samaritian @ 1.88
7 94.6% Serbian + 5.4% Bedouin_B @ 1.99
8 79.8% Austrian + 20.2% Druze @ 2.05
9 79.3% Austrian + 20.7% Samaritian @ 2.06
10 59.1% Greek_Central + 40.9% Mordovian @ 2.08
11 66.7% Polish + 33.3% Cypriot @ 2.1
12 68.1% Polish + 31.9% Samaritian @ 2.15
13 61.5% Belarusian + 38.5% Cypriot @ 2.16
14 79.4% Slovenian + 20.6% Druze @ 2.16
15 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Palestinian @ 2.18
16 70.8% Swedish + 29.2% Samaritian @ 2.19
17 81.4% Hungarian + 18.6% Druze @ 2.21
18 50.4% Sephardic_Jew + 49.6% Lithuanian @ 2.22
19 77.8% Slovenian + 22.2% Palestinian @ 2.22
20 91.5% Serbian + 8.5% Bedouin_A @ 2.22


Dodecad K12b


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 36.92
2 Atlantic_Med 26.19
3 Caucasus 20.7
4 Southwest_Asian 7.09
5 Gedrosia 5.84
6 Northwest_African 1.61
7 Siberian 1.57
8 East_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.98
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.36
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.16
4 Hungarians (Behar) 12.17
5 German (Dodecad) 16.53
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.07
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.74
8 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.98
9 French (Dodecad) 20.6
10 French (HGDP) 20.87
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.25
12 Dutch (Dodecad) 21.52
13 Greek (Dodecad) 21.75
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.78
15 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.9
16 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.44
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 23.43
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 23.64
19 English (Dodecad) 23.8
20 British_Isles (Dodecad) 25.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.17
2 73.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 26.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.2
3 71.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.7% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.33
4 70.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.4
5 65.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.42
6 60.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 39.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.63
7 64.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 35.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.87
8 65.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.9
9 64.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.94
10 74% German (Dodecad) + 26% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.07
11 70.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.09
12 75.6% German (Dodecad) + 24.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 3.19
13 70.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.22
14 77.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.1% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.27
15 70.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.3
16 62.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.35
17 59.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.39
18 70.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.4
19 51.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 48.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.45
20 79.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 20.8% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.47



Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.66 Pct
Armenian 2.47 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.45 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.06 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.19 Pct
East_Med 7.00 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.83 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.67 Pct
French 4.88 Pct
Iberian 10.49 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.92 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.73 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.40 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.07 Pct
North_Sea 5.18 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.98 Pct

[wvwvw]

That's no Greek results, Northern or other.

[Kaspias]

That's no Greek results, Northern or other.

https://i.ibb.co/hYVm4fg/Ads-z.png

[Lemgrant]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 2.99

19 Greek_Thessaly 14.87

lol?

[Voskos]

Nice. Slavic dna mixes well with hellenic.

[Bigsaul]

That's a very slavic shifted Greek with Turk Y dna. Interesting

[Deniz]

https://i.ibb.co/hYVm4fg/Ads-z.png

I have Greek 5 th cousin.His gedmatch results similar to this results.

[Ayetooey]

Can you post his full k15 components?

This guy is very slav admixed; his north atlantic is higher than my fathers lol.

[Aspirin]

Autosomally he is an average guy from South Moldova (Romania).

Compare to this:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.56
2 Romanian 4.96
3 Bulgarian 7.6
4 Moldavian 8.29
5 Hungarian 9.07
6 Croatian 10.44
7 Austrian 12.16
8 East_German 13.9
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.29
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.61
11 West_German 16.68
12 South_Polish 17.02
13 North_Italian 17.44
14 French 17.85
15 Ukrainian 17.91
16 South_Dutch 18.12
17 Tuscan 18.59
18 Portuguese 20.5
19 Polish 20.73
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.81

[wvwvw]

Nice. Slavic dna mixes well with hellenic.

It looks like some Greek-Lithuanian mix

Half Greek-half Baltic probably

[Kaspias]

It looks like some Greek-Lithuanian mix

Half Greek-half Baltic probably

He is not.

[Kaspias]

Can you post his full k15 components?

This guy is very slav admixed; his north atlantic is higher than my fathers lol.

Here:

Population
North_Sea 20.92 Pct
Atlantic 12.29 Pct
Baltic 16.89 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.86 Pct
West_Med 11.75 Pct
West_Asian 8.55 Pct
East_Med 13.58 Pct
Red_Sea 2.78 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.88 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.51 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Kaspias]

I have Greek 5 th cousin.His gedmatch results similar to this results.

You may post it too if you don't mind.

[Voskos]

I suppose he's either a vlach or a slavomacedonian(Grecoman). There were records of serbs living in greece but they were very few.

[Ayetooey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/589422338773352448/unknown.png?width=378&height=300

[karakartal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562623517598679040/589422338773352448/unknown.png?width=378&height=300

could you please do this pca for my father's results?

[Lemgrant]

Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.66 Pct
Armenian 2.47 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.45 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.06 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.19 Pct
East_Med 7.00 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.83 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.67 Pct
French 4.88 Pct
Iberian 10.49 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.92 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.73 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.40 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.07 Pct
North_Sea 5.18 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.98 Pct

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

https://i.imgur.com/dkgS4T5.png



function B: 60% GR_Central removed:

https://i.imgur.com/N1fXjst.png

[Ayetooey]

could you please do this pca for my father's results?

Sure just post his full k15 components.

[Ayetooey]

I suppose he's either a vlach or a slavomacedonian(Grecoman). There were records of serbs living in greece but they were very few.

Slavic macedonians from Greece like Vojnik plot near or south west of Bulgaria from what I've seen. This guy plots very close to banned user commonsense who was mainly Bosnian Serb by ancestry. This guy must be minority of some sort I can't imagine this being average from what I've seen; maybe his mother is a slavic immigrant.

[Kaspias]

I suppose he's either a vlach or a slavomacedonian(Grecoman). There were records of serbs living in greece but they were very few.

Correct, he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian. But this shouldn't mean he is an exception, Greek speakers who live between Serres and Xanthi scores similar to him in my experience.

[karakartal]

Is he introduce themself are Greek?

[Lemgrant]

His Y-dna can also be found in Western Ukraine
https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-V222/
https://i.imgur.com/HpHULYI.png

[Leto]

19 50.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 49.9% Southwest_Russian @ 1.84

Maybe he's half Russian? Are there many Greeks close to Italians from Abruzzo?

[andre]

It's quite similar to me:

K13
1 Serbian @ 6.846645
2 Romanian @ 7.266218
3 Bulgarian @ 7.960542
4 Moldavian @ 10.811473
5 Croatian @ 13.265549
6 Hungarian @ 14.030118
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.741474
8 Austrian @ 18.626492
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 19.858938
10 East_German @ 20.229544
11 South_Polish @ 20.576582
12 Ukrainian @ 20.999189
13 Tuscan @ 22.759237
14 North_Italian @ 22.896957
15 Southwest_Russian @ 23.511793
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 24.052202
17 Italian_Abruzzo @ 24.249760
18 Polish @ 24.461855
19 West_German @ 24.517935
20 Central_Greek @ 24.639374

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Belorussian @ 2.252412


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Lithuanian +25% South_Polish @ 1.880450


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Belorussian + South_Italian @ 1.824754
2 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Lithuanian + South_Polish @ 1.880450
3 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Southwest_Russian @ 1.944845
4 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Belorussian + Central_Greek @ 1.983980
5 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Polish @ 2.036793
6 Belorussian + Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 2.040850
7 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + South_Italian @ 2.060419
8 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.073816
9 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Belorussian + East_Sicilian @ 2.076133
10 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.092998
11 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Southwest_Russian + West_Sicilian @ 2.144363
12 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish @ 2.161402
13 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Polish @ 2.166875
14 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.168536
15 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 2.174042
16 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 2.177267
17 Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.194129
18 Belorussian + Belorussian + Central_Greek + Italian_Jewish @ 2.195096
19 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.208877
20 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish @ 2.242233

[andre]

(delete)

[Nassbean]

Do we have ancient greek gedmatch results so we can compare because as I said before this slavic influence seems to be strong in the north

[Lemgrant]

Do we have ancient greek gedmatch results so we can compare because as I said before this slavic influence seems to be strong in the north

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245585-Ancient-Greek-kits-re-uploaded

[Faklon]

Haven't seen such an outlier before, which locality/village in Serres is he from?

[Papastratosels26]

I doubt that guy is Greek.

Serres is full of Anatolian and Pontic Greeks...

[Thracian]

I think that he should be half Greek and half Eastern Slav. I haven't seen any Greek or Albanian like that.

[archangel]

that doesnt look like an ethnic Greek result

[Kaspias]

Correct, he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian. But this shouldn't mean he is an exception, Greek speakers who live between Serres and Xanthi scores similar to him in my experience.

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he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian

[xripkan]

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he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian
he is either ethnic Vlach or Bulgarian

Can we exclude the possibility that his mother is from North-Eastern Europe?

[paradox]

On gedmatch this guy matches my and my father's first match who is also from Northern Greece. This guy's results are not unusual for a Vlach.

[Theudelinde]

Interesting.

[Kaspias]

Can we exclude the possibility that his mother is from North-Eastern Europe?

Yes.

[wvwvw]

Can we exclude the possibility that his mother is from North-Eastern Europe?

He is not Vlach or Bulgarian. Bulgarians, Vlachs and Serbs don't score 50% Estonian or Finnish and 50% Greek.

Look typical results of a a mixed person.

[Kaspias]

He is not Vlach or Bulgarian. Bulgarians, Vlachs and Serbs don't score 50% Estonian or Finnish and 50% Greek.

Look typical results of a a mixed person.

Shut the fuck up. It is proxy.


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.2% Tatar + 44.8% Cyprian @ 2.88
2 61.1% South_Italian + 38.9% Chuvash @ 3.38
3 66.2% Central_Greek + 33.8% Chuvash @ 3.5
4 68.7% Central_Greek + 31.3% Mari @ 3.62

My results, am i Greek+Chuvash?

[Voskos]

Do you have any gagauz results?

[Kaspias]

Do you have any gagauz results?

Unfortunately no. But i can find. I'm going to open thread when i find.

[Peterski]

https://i.ibb.co/hYVm4fg/Ads-z.png

You need to check GEDCOM, surname means nothing.

Could be someone who is 1/16th Greek with Greek surname.

[Nurzat]

some northern Greeks are more northern shifted than Romanians in Wallachia and Transylvania regions, which is normal since the Romanians in these regions are Balkan Vlachs mixed a bit with Turkics and Roman Oriental colonist leftovers, while some northern Greeks are mixed with Slavs (Macedo-Bulgarians).

so Romanians are indeed the southernmost people in Europe, with most Near Eastern farmer admixture in addition to most Turkic admix within Europe. interesting. one could name us snow niggaz lol xD we've just settled too north geographically according to our genes :cool:

[xripkan]

Yes.

I asked because he is modelled as half Greek Thessaly and half Ukrainian. It is very interesting and somewhat surprising for me that such a northern shifted person is native in Greece even if he is a Vlach.

[wvwvw]

I asked because he is modelled as half Greek Thessaly and half Ukrainian. It is very interesting and somewhat surprising for me that such a northern shifted person is native in Greece even if he is a Vlach.

Well a typical Vlach result differs little than that of a mainland Greek.

Also it is stupid to say that native Northern Greeks mixed with Bulgarians. They didn't. Only a few Bulgarians remain in Northern Greece on the northermost border between Greece and Skopja, but those aren't 'Northern Greek".

[Kaspias]

Well a typical Vlach result differs little than that of a mainland Greek.

Also it is stupid to say that native Northern Greeks mixed with Bulgarians. They didn't. Only a few Bulgarians remain in Northern Greece on the northermost border between Greece and Skopja, but those aren't 'Northern Greek".

Hahah

[Kaspias]

dp

[Lemgrant]

https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

https://i.imgur.com/i0aKaGu.png

[Vojnik]

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

https://i.imgur.com/dkgS4T5.png





Compared with my results. My ancestry is from Lerin/Florina Northern Greece. I also get that unusually high north west Romanian. He is more north shifted them me though:

http://i64.tinypic.com/2w6uh4n.jpg

[Pubiczar]

Obviously a Vlach.

This particular haplogroup and subclade was found among the Vlachs in the study of Bosh 2006!

Now, this is the second Vlach areound Serres and Drama with such unusual results.

User Paradox posted her father's results in here...

This goes to show that the Vlachs are recent immigrants in the area and didn't mix much out of their own group.

It goes well with the historical records that mention Vlachs at such a late date, around the 10th century.

It also confirms my suspicions that the Vlachs of the South Balkans are nothing but Romanian migrants that migrated and escaped the Magyar invasion...

Also it's a big middle finger for all those suckers who say that Macedonians are Slavo-Vlach mix :rolleyes:

It's clear by the results that that's not true, I mean, compare my results with this guy and see the big difference.

[Vojnik]

Obviously a Vlach.

This particular haplogroup and subclade was found among the Vlachs in the study of Bosh 2006!

Now, this is the second Vlach areound Serres and Drama with such unusual results.

User Paradox posted her father's results in here...

This goes to show that the Vlachs are recent immigrants in the area and didn't mix much out of their own group.

It goes well with the historical records that mention Vlachs at such a late date, around the 10th century.

It also confirms my suspicions that the Vlachs of the South Balkans are nothing but Romanian migrants that migrated and escaped the Magyar invasion...

Also it's a big middle finger for all those suckers who say that Macedonians are Slavo-Vlach mix :rolleyes:

It's clear by the results that that's not true, I mean, compare my results with this guy and see the big difference.

I may have that same Romanian/Vlach migrant ancestry you speak of. Albeit on a smaller scale then this Greek.

Using this program, I get high north west Romanian like him:
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

And as my results show from lm-genetics:

http://i63.tinypic.com/23hmw4h.jpg

[Jana]

Obviously a Vlach.

This particular haplogroup and subclade was found among the Vlachs in the study of Bosh 2006!

Now, this is the second Vlach areound Serres and Drama with such unusual results.

User Paradox posted her father's results in here...

This goes to show that the Vlachs are recent immigrants in the area and didn't mix much out of their own group.

It goes well with the historical records that mention Vlachs at such a late date, around the 10th century.

It also confirms my suspicions that the Vlachs of the South Balkans are nothing but Romanian migrants that migrated and escaped the Magyar invasion...

Also it's a big middle finger for all those suckers who say that Macedonians are Slavo-Vlach mix :rolleyes:

It's clear by the results that that's not true, I mean, compare my results with this guy and see the big difference.

Would you say Slavic speaking Macedonians are Slavic-Greek mix, rather than Slavic-Vlach ?

This proves how heavily admixed with Slavs Balkan Vlachs are.

[Papastratosels26]

Το Μπούφι ήταν ένα βλαχοχώρι[1], που κατά την περίοδο της Τουρκοκρατίας ήταν ένα από τα μεγαλύτερα χωριά της περιοχής. Όλη η περιοχή γύρω από το χωριό λέγονταν από τους Τούρκους Μπουφ-κολ (οκόλια: διοικητική διαίρεση της εποχής). Φαίνεται ότι αρχικά το χωριό ήταν χτισμένο κάτω από το παρεκκλήσι του Αγίου Γεωργίου και η μετακίνηση των κατοίκων από εκεί έγινε το 15ο αιώνα.

https://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ακρίτας_Φλώρινας

[Pubiczar]

I may have that same Romanian/Vlach migrant ancestry you speak of. Albeit on a smaller scale then this Greek.

Using this program, I get high north west Romanian like him:
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

And as my results show from lm-genetics:

http://i63.tinypic.com/23hmw4h.jpg

Yes, looking at various PCA's and results of yours I am also on that conclusion.

I think it comes from your mother's side as your father's results weren't very different than mine...

Have you tested your mom?

[Maintenance]

mkay

https://i.imgur.com/XoC2SLf.png

[Pubiczar]

Would you say Slavic speaking Macedonians are Slavic-Greek mix, rather than Slavic-Vlach ?

This proves how heavily admixed with Slavs Balkan Vlachs are.

I think yes...

But we can't speak as of modern ethnicity.

I would say a Slavic - Ancient Balkan mix....

And depends, which Macedonians we are speaking of, if we speak about Macedonians living close to Kosovo and Albania, it's an Illyrian - Slavic mix, while those of the South are ancient Macedonian - Slavic mix...

[Vojnik]

Yes, looking at various PCA's and results of yours I am also on that conclusion.

I think it comes from your mother's side as your father's results weren't very different than mine...

Have you tested your mom?

Has to be my Mothers side. My Fathers results are typical of South Macedonia and Northern Greece Macedonians.

Funny. Because my Mothers side is full of Hellenised individuals who call themselves Greeks today. I also have alot of family in Greece.

And no, she hasn't been tested. She has no interest in this stuff.

[Vojnik]

Το Μπούφι ήταν ένα βλαχοχώρι[1], που κατά την περίοδο της Τουρκοκρατίας ήταν ένα από τα μεγαλύτερα χωριά της περιοχής. Όλη η περιοχή γύρω από το χωριό λέγονταν από τους Τούρκους Μπουφ-κολ (οκόλια: διοικητική διαίρεση της εποχής). Φαίνεται ότι αρχικά το χωριό ήταν χτισμένο κάτω από το παρεκκλήσι του Αγίου Γεωργίου και η μετακίνηση των κατοίκων από εκεί έγινε το 15ο αιώνα.

https://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ακρίτας_Φλώρινας

One of my ancestral villages. Macedonian village. The Ottomans feared these people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-aAWiLm2MQ&t=239s

[Papastratosels26]

One of my ancestral villages. Macedonian village. The Ottomans feared these people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-aAWiLm2MQ&t=239shttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190617/921408a5d6d70ce58354edae9848bccb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190617/9b70052ed1147fe83f033e3a2358e412.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190617/b35ecd40c0f38f7d93aad1d5e2510b7e.jpg

Today's is almost abandoned.
https://youtu.be/EUjjDUJzMlo

[Vojnik]

Today's is almost abandoned.
https://youtu.be/EUjjDUJzMlo

Yep just old people. I think in the future it will just become a place where the descendants of people who lived there would go back and spend a day just to reflect, like many many other villages. It is a beautiful place up in the mountain. I have been there before and seen my ancestors houses. I gave a old local villager the surname, and he found it for us.

People still go up there to dance and stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOiROn6Ioys

[Papastratosels26]

Yep just old people. I think in the future it will just become a place where the descendants of people who lived there would go back and spend a day just to reflect, like many many other villages. It is a beautiful place up in the mountain. I have been there before and seen my ancestors houses. I gave a old local villager the surname, and he found it for us.

People still go up there to dance and stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOiROn6IoysSame fate faced Ksanthogia(rusilovo). All the male population left in Eastern Europe after the war. Only the women left here. The men never returned back.

The last woman in the village died in 1980s I think.
I will check it.

[billErobreren]

Slav laden results.

[War Chef]

some northern Greeks are more northern shifted than Romanians in Wallachia and Transylvania regions, which is normal since the Romanians in these regions are Balkan Vlachs mixed a bit with Turkics and Roman Oriental colonist leftovers, while some northern Greeks are mixed with Slavs (Macedo-Bulgarians).

so Romanians are indeed the southernmost people in Europe, with most Near Eastern farmer admixture in addition to most Turkic admix within Europe. interesting. one could name us snow niggaz lol xD we've just settled too north geographically according to our genes :cool:

I don't know dude, these Romanians posted here look pretty northern to me. Do you think they are cherry picked?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292412-Best-fit-for-this-mega-set-of-210-Romanian-men

[Bigsaul]

Those who deny the Slavic admixture in Greece probadly won't sleep for days after results like these.

[Dorian]

Where is Serres mentioned?had you any contact with him for details?
Surname is most common in Tyrnavos,Larissa(Thessaly)
https://i.postimg.cc/SRhYt5bH/Screenshot-60.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Rgvgjhvv]

No way this guy is Greek lol. He wouldn't plot literally anywhere near me.

[ixulescu]

I don't know dude, these Romanians posted here look pretty northern to me. Do you think they are cherry picked?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292412-Best-fit-for-this-mega-set-of-210-Romanian-men

There's no point in asking Nurzat a serious question, he mostly trolls.

[FinalFlash]

No way this guy is Greek lol. He wouldn't plot literally anywhere near me.

Sikeliot would've creamed himself.

[Kaspias]

Where is Serres mentioned?had you any contact with him for details?
Surname is most common in Tyrnavos,Larissa(Thessaly)
https://i.postimg.cc/SRhYt5bH/Screenshot-60.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I had, e-mail. He only wrote Serres.


No way this guy is Greek lol. He wouldn't plot literally anywhere near me.

He is Vlach. Matched with paradox.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Sikeliot would've creamed himself.

https://media.tenor.com/images/8dcfa812e77878d454425a2aa46e2e2b/tenor.gif

[Papastratosels26]

This is a True Northern Greek

Northern Greek mix:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.37
2 North_Atlantic 20.07
3 West_Med 18.33
4 West_Asian 15.1
5 Baltic 15.01
6 Red_Sea 1.82
7 Oceanian 0.7
8 East_Asian 0.41
9 Amerindian 0.15
10 Siberian 0.04

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.13
2 Central_Greek 6.53
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.9
4 East_Sicilian 8.26
5 West_Sicilian 9.22
6 Ashkenazi 10.02
7 South_Italian 10.46
8 Bulgarian 11.15
9 Tuscan 11.28
10 Romanian 13.27
11 Italian_Jewish 15.94
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16.02
13 North_Italian 16.17
14 Algerian_Jewish 16.6
15 Serbian 17.47
16 Tunisian_Jewish 19.8
17 Libyan_Jewish 20.49
18 Cyprian 21.17
19 Turkish 21.77
20 Moldavian 23.51

[Kaspias]

This is a True Northern Greek

Northern Greek mix:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.37
2 North_Atlantic 20.07
3 West_Med 18.33
4 West_Asian 15.1
5 Baltic 15.01
6 Red_Sea 1.82
7 Oceanian 0.7
8 East_Asian 0.41
9 Amerindian 0.15
10 Siberian 0.04

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.13
2 Central_Greek 6.53
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.9
4 East_Sicilian 8.26
5 West_Sicilian 9.22
6 Ashkenazi 10.02
7 South_Italian 10.46
8 Bulgarian 11.15
9 Tuscan 11.28
10 Romanian 13.27
11 Italian_Jewish 15.94
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16.02
13 North_Italian 16.17
14 Algerian_Jewish 16.6
15 Serbian 17.47
16 Tunisian_Jewish 19.8
17 Libyan_Jewish 20.49
18 Cyprian 21.17
19 Turkish 21.77
20 Moldavian 23.51

This is from Thessaloniki. Show a true Northern Greek from Eastern Macedonia or Western Thrace.

[KingOf]

This is from Thessaloniki. Show a true Northern Greek from Eastern Macedonia or Western Thrace.

Man with all this fuzz going on i'm getting exited to dna test but it is not the time yet
Do you really believe this guy is gonna be average for the regions you mention though?
I don't know how to read the results but isn't he more Northern shifted than almost all Bulgarians?

[Kaspias]

Man with all this fuzz going on i'm getting exited to dna test but it is not the time yet
Do you really believe this guy is gonna be average for the regions you mention though?
I don't know how to read the results but isn't he more Northern shifted than almost all Bulgarians?

No way he is an average, i posted him because he is an outlier. Posting average results won't make thread funny. But i would say Paradox's father is an average for Eastern Macedonia which means this person not that different from them.

[Papastratosels26]

So this is a troll thread.....

[Kaspias]

So this is a troll thread.....

Why?

[Papastratosels26]

Why?

On this forum all the users here trolling the Greeks
They post the most atypical results as Common!!!

This is irritating.

[karakartal]

On this forum all the users here trolling the Greeks
They post the most atypical results as Common!!!

This is irritating.

look my topic. greeks and albanians don't like me. maybe this is the only thing you have in common.

[Kaspias]

On this forum all the users here trolling the Greeks
They post the most atypical results as Common!!!

This is irritating.

Where did i say it is common? I posted hundreds of DNA results here, nobody cried like that. On the other hand, it is not the most atypical. It is a bit more Northern shifted than usual. Find a true Greek sample from Eastern Macedonia so we can compare.

I haven't trolled anyone in this forum except Petros.

It is irritating you react like that.

[Pribislav]

Obviously a Vlach.

This particular haplogroup and subclade was found among the Vlachs in the study of Bosh 2006!

Now, this is the second Vlach areound Serres and Drama with such unusual results.

User Paradox posted her father's results in here...

This goes to show that the Vlachs are recent immigrants in the area and didn't mix much out of their own group.

It goes well with the historical records that mention Vlachs at such a late date, around the 10th century.

It also confirms my suspicions that the Vlachs of the South Balkans are nothing but Romanian migrants that migrated and escaped the Magyar invasion...

Also it's a big middle finger for all those suckers who say that Macedonians are Slavo-Vlach mix :rolleyes:

It's clear by the results that that's not true, I mean, compare my results with this guy and see the big difference.

It's more likely that Romanian Vlachs were settlers from western Bulgaria and southeastern Serbia from 12th to the 14th century.

[Jana]

On this forum all the users here trolling the Greeks
They post the most atypical results as Common!!!

This is irritating.

You have slavic wide cheekbones, your face shape is very close to Stears.

[Papastratosels26]

Where did i say it is common? I posted hundreds of DNA results here, nobody cried like that. On the other hand, it is not the most atypical. It is a bit more Northern shifted than usual. Find a true Greek sample from Eastern Macedonia so we can compare.

I haven't trolled anyone in this forum except Petros.

It is irritating you react like that.The thing is here. Some people exarigate some thinks. I don't believe that you trolling and I apologize for that if I accused you for that.

The same happens with Italians and Iberians on this forum.

The majority left from here because of this reason. I don't blame them...

[Papastratosels26]

You have slavic wide cheekbones, your face shape is very close to Stears.Horse shit.....

[Jana]

Horse shit.....

you darky mug won't fool us.

[KingOf]

Horse shit.....

Totally lol...
She was the one saying phenotype/genotype and now just because as a Northern Greek you are a bit Slavic influenced (still the least among all those Balkanites who proudly say how little Slavic they look)... your genetic results are gonna explain your Slavocheekbones

[Papastratosels26]

you darky mug won't fool us.This is my naturally skin color lol


LOL at North Pontid.....

[Papastratosels26]

Totally lol...
She was the one saying phenotype/genotype and now just because as a Northern Greek you are a bit Slavic influenced (still the least among all those Balkanites who proudly say how little Slavic they look)... your genetic results are gonna explain your SlavocheekbonesI don't deny that I have a Slavic vibe,but how the people here on this forum exarigate...

[Jana]

Totally lol...
She was the one saying phenotype/genotype and now just because as a Northern Greek you are a bit Slavic influenced (still the least among all those Balkanites who proudly say how little Slavic they look)... your genetic results are gonna explain your Slavocheekbones

His mother is ethnic German from Germany.

[Papastratosels26]

His mother is ethnic German from Germany.Germanic not Slavic ;)

[Jana]

Germanic not Slavic ;)

Yes, but you don't look Germanic.

[Papastratosels26]

Yes, but you don't look Germanic.I know. I took it from my father.
My father is a dark Med.

[Jana]

I know. I took it from my father.
My father is a dark Med.

North Pontid is not true med.

[Dorian]

https://media.tenor.com/images/59978854f474429f3ae7d4ab7dcea886/tenor.gif

[Papastratosels26]

North Pontid is not true med.My father isn't North Pontid...

People told me that he can pass in South Italy.

[Jana]

My father isn't North Pontid...

People told me that he can pass in South Italy.

But you look mostly North Pontid to me.

[Papastratosels26]

But you look mostly North Pontid to me.Maybe you confuse the Pontid with the North Pontid. Dunno.

[Jana]

Maybe you confuse the Pontid with the North Pontid. Dunno.

Pontid proper don't have blue eyes and slavic vibe.

[Papastratosels26]

Pontid proper don't have blue eyes and slavic vibe.OK now is clear that you trolling...
I will not continue it...

Have a nice evening :)

[kleenex]

I've literally seen 15 Greek Macedonian results and none are even remotely close to this. Matter of fact there is minute difference between all mainland Greeks particularly Peloponnesians (not Mani, Tsakonia), Boetians, Rumeliotes and Epirotes in particular with some variation in Eastern Macedonia and Thrace.

[Jana]

OK now is clear that you trolling...
I will not continue it...

Have a nice evening :)

This is Pontid proper. You don't look anything similar, sorry.

[imgmg]

Have a nice evening. :)

And don't quote the photo, thanks!

[Dorian]

This is Pontid proper. You don't look anything similar, sorry.


Have a nice evening. :)

And don't quote the photo, thanks!

Looks very balkanic,other than that the rest is anthrotardism(don't take it personally,I'm talking in general)... blue eyes are a recessive trait ,there's not any proof that you inherit a "phenotype" as a whole from one specific ancestor, suppose you have "pontid" parents, and some recessive blue eyed alpines back in family tree and you get a recombination of the 2 ,you'd magically become a "north pontidz"=halo effect

Take a look at threads where they use fake nationality as a "trap"thread to understand what anthrotardism means( https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291908-Classify-6-rugby-players-from-Naples-southern-Italy ),the same would happen If you changed color eyes with photoshop.

[catgeorge]

FMD he probably took traits from his mother and females are generally lighter than males.

Slavic logic reaches retardation to a new level. North Greeks are allowed to be indigenous to the area.

[Jana]

Looks very balkanic,other than that the rest is anthrotardism(don't take it personally,I'm talking in general)... blue eyes are a recessive trait ,there's not any proof that you inherit a "phenotype" as a whole from one specific ancestor, suppose you have "pontid" parents, and some recessive blue eyed alpines back in family tree and you get a recombination of the 2 ,you'd magically become a "north pontidz"=halo effect

Take a look at threads where they use fake nationality as a "trap"thread to understand what anthrotardism means( https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291908-Classify-6-rugby-players-from-Naples-southern-Italy ),the same would happen If you changed color eyes with photoshop.

I generally agree with you. Guy I posted is my ex, half Serb half Croat. I think he is pure Pontid.

[paradox]

I had, e-mail. He only wrote Serres.



He is Vlach. Matched with paradox.My wording is confusing, sorry. He doesn't match with me or my father but matches with our first match who is from Northern Greece.

[Hulu]

OP is a guy with an agenda.

[Epirus DNA]

4 Northern Greek GedMatch Results

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

ME:

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.69
2 West_Med 16.59
3 North_Sea 14.8
4 West_Asian 13.58
5 Baltic 11.56
6 Atlantic 10.13
7 Eastern_Euro 7.68
8 Red_Sea 2.34
9 Siberian 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.17
11 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.62
2 Greek 7.01
3 Central_Greek 8.66
4 Bulgarian 9.22
5 Ashkenazi 9.39
6 Italian_Abruzzo 9.92
7 East_Sicilian 10.11
8 Romanian 10.74
9 Tuscan 11.6
10 West_Sicilian 12.17
11 South_Italian 12.27
12 Serbian 13.96
13 North_Italian 15.78
14 Italian_Jewish 16.24
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.63
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.81
17 Moldavian 18.48
18 Hungarian 20.83
19 Libyan_Jewish 21.14
20 Croatian 21.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Greek_Thessaly + 5.7% Tabassaran @ 3.02
2 94.3% Greek_Thessaly + 5.7% Lezgin @ 3.04
3 94.7% Greek_Thessaly + 5.3% Kumyk @ 3.23
4 95.6% Greek_Thessaly + 4.4% Chechen @ 3.23
5 96.1% Greek_Thessaly + 3.9% Chuvash @ 3.25
6 95.5% Greek_Thessaly + 4.5% Kabardin @ 3.26
7 95.7% Greek_Thessaly + 4.3% Adygei @ 3.27
8 95.7% Greek_Thessaly + 4.3% Balkar @ 3.28
9 96.8% Greek_Thessaly + 3.2% Mari @ 3.31
10 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Ossetian @ 3.32
11 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% North_Ossetian @ 3.32
12 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% Georgian @ 3.34
13 96.8% Greek_Thessaly + 3.2% Abhkasian @ 3.35
14 96% Greek_Thessaly + 4% Erzya @ 3.35
15 95.8% Greek_Thessaly + 4.2% Nogay @ 3.37
16 95.8% Greek_Thessaly + 4.2% Tatar @ 3.37
17 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.43
18 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Armenian @ 3.44
19 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Kurdish @ 3.45
20 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Turkmen @ 3.46


FATHER

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.26
2 West_Med 17.8
3 Baltic 13.64
4 Atlantic 12.76
5 West_Asian 12.17
6 North_Sea 12.13
7 Eastern_Euro 5.92
8 Red_Sea 2.57
9 Oceanian 0.75

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.38
2 Greek 4.37
3 Bulgarian 7.84
4 Central_Greek 8.44
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.51
6 East_Sicilian 9.66
7 Ashkenazi 9.9
8 Tuscan 10.1
9 Romanian 10.32
10 West_Sicilian 10.93
11 South_Italian 11.63
12 Serbian 14.01
13 North_Italian 14.22
14 Italian_Jewish 16.08
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.21
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.24
17 Moldavian 18.5
18 Croatian 20.6
19 Hungarian 20.9
20 Tunisian_Jewish 20.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.4% Greek_Thessaly + 39.6% Greek @ 2.38
2 79.2% Greek_Thessaly + 20.8% Bulgarian @ 2.78
3 95.9% Greek_Thessaly + 4.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.14
4 96.6% Greek_Thessaly + 3.4% Lithuanian @ 3.14
5 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3.15
6 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Belorussian @ 3.15
7 96.1% Greek_Thessaly + 3.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.16
8 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.17
9 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Romanian @ 3.18
10 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Croatian @ 3.18
11 96.7% Greek_Thessaly + 3.3% Polish @ 3.22
12 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% South_Polish @ 3.23
13 97.3% Greek_Thessaly + 2.7% Erzya @ 3.24
14 95.1% Greek_Thessaly + 4.9% Moldavian @ 3.25
15 96.8% Greek_Thessaly + 3.2% Ukrainian @ 3.25
16 97.4% Greek_Thessaly + 2.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.27
17 96.8% Greek_Thessaly + 3.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.27
18 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Austrian @ 3.28
19 97.9% Greek_Thessaly + 2.1% Estonian @ 3.29
20 97.9% Greek_Thessaly + 2.1% La_Brana-1 @ 3.3



MOTHER

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.62
2 Atlantic 17.17
3 West_Asian 14.94
4 West_Med 13.17
5 North_Sea 12.93
6 Baltic 11.1
7 Eastern_Euro 5.89
8 Red_Sea 1.87
9 Siberian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 5.8
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.17
3 Italian_Abruzzo 7.2
4 Bulgarian 8.21
5 Central_Greek 8.51
6 Tuscan 9.71
7 East_Sicilian 9.89
8 Romanian 10.01
9 West_Sicilian 10.1
10 Ashkenazi 10.39
11 South_Italian 11.6
12 Serbian 13.51
13 North_Italian 14.04
14 Italian_Jewish 16.29
15 Sephardic_Jewish 16.74
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.86
17 Moldavian 19.3
18 Austrian 19.71
19 Hungarian 20.74
20 Tunisian_Jewish 20.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Italian_Abruzzo + 46% Bulgarian @ 3.28
2 82.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 17.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.42
3 84.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.2% Lithuanian @ 3.43
4 82.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 17.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.47
5 59.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.1% Romanian @ 3.53
6 82.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 17.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.54
7 83.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 16.4% Belorussian @ 3.56
8 71.5% Central_Greek + 28.5% Austrian @ 3.57
9 81.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 18.5% South_Polish @ 3.73
10 84% Italian_Abruzzo + 16% Estonian_Polish @ 3.74
11 54.2% Romanian + 45.8% South_Italian @ 3.75
12 63.8% South_Italian + 36.2% Austrian @ 3.8
13 82.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 17.1% Polish @ 3.83
14 84.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.1% Estonian @ 3.84
15 82% Italian_Abruzzo + 18% Ukrainian @ 3.86
16 77.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.8% Croatian @ 3.87
17 81.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 18.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.87
18 75.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 24.2% Moldavian @ 3.94
19 55% Central_Greek + 45% Romanian @ 3.98
20 85.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.8% Erzya @ 4.06


1st COUSIN - Mothers Side

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Med 18.27
2 North_Sea 17.36
3 East_Med 16.55
4 Atlantic 13.4
5 West_Asian 13.09
6 Baltic 11.43
7 Eastern_Euro 6.04
8 Red_Sea 3.84
9 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.08
2 Bulgarian 8.14
3 Romanian 8.38
4 Tuscan 9.38
5 Greek 9.66
6 Serbian 11.02
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.2
8 North_Italian 11.45
9 Central_Greek 11.93
10 East_Sicilian 12.71
11 Ashkenazi 12.89
12 West_Sicilian 13.56
13 South_Italian 15.34
14 Moldavian 16.11
15 Spanish_Galicia 16.79
16 Portuguese 17.13
17 Hungarian 17.48
18 Spanish_Extremadura 17.88
19 Austrian 18.07
20 Croatian 18.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Greek_Thessaly + 15.8% Southwest_English @ 3.64
2 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% French @ 3.65
3 81.3% Greek_Thessaly + 18.7% South_Dutch @ 3.69
4 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% West_German @ 3.77
5 80.9% Greek_Thessaly + 19.1% East_German @ 3.79
6 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Orcadian @ 3.85
7 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% North_Dutch @ 3.86
8 85.2% Greek_Thessaly + 14.8% Southeast_English @ 3.89
9 86% Greek_Thessaly + 14% Irish @ 3.93
10 84.5% Greek_Thessaly + 15.5% North_German @ 3.94
11 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% West_Scottish @ 3.94
12 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% West_Norwegian @ 3.95
13 86.2% Greek_Thessaly + 13.8% Norwegian @ 3.96
14 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Danish @ 4
15 86.4% Greek_Thessaly + 13.6% Swedish @ 4.06
16 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% North_Swedish @ 4.25
17 79% Greek_Thessaly + 21% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.27
18 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Hungarian @ 4.4
19 70.8% Greek_Thessaly + 29.2% Serbian @ 4.43
20 81.1% Greek_Thessaly + 18.9% Austrian @ 4.52

[CommonSense]

The person in the OP has very very similar components to myself. It's hard to believe he's a pure Greek.

[Epirus DNA]

The person in the OP has very very similar components to myself. It's hard to believe he's a pure Greek.

I'm pretty sure that OP Kaspias identifies as Pomak.

[vbnetkhio]

The person in the OP has very very similar components to myself. It's hard to believe he's a pure Greek.


I'm pretty sure that OP Kaspias identifies as Pomak.

those are not Kaspias' results. it's a Greek from Serres.
Serres (Ser) was the capital of Serbian empire in the 14th century, so there was Serbian settlement into that area

[Dorian]

those are not Kaspias' results. it's a Greek from Serres.
Serres (Ser) was the capital of Serbian empire in the 14th century, so there was Serbian settlement into that area

That means nothing ,I don't know If&how true it's for other countries but here at least ,in the majority of cities the population is composed by "locals",Greek refugees and internal migrants all three in significant numbers according to old censuses , while If people had the will or ability to learn a little more than what their grandparents were what they'd discover is more internal migrations&population resettlements.
So treating an individual or even people/regions as If there's 100% continuity to their place and using what history you know to explain things can lead to wrong conclusions.
That's some futuristic deep things with genealogy sites&dna companies cooperating ,If historians&professional genealogists also help we will get a better picture.

What you're basically saying is that he's a pure local so locals=Serbians?

[Hulu]

If you post his gedmatch ID we can check who his closest matches are. As I said I doubt he is Greek

[vbnetkhio]

That means nothing ,I don't know If&how true it's for other countries but here at least ,in the majority of cities the population is composed by "locals",Greek refugees and internal migrants all three in significant numbers according to old censuses , while If people had the will or ability to learn a little more than what their grandparents were what they'd discover is more internal migrations&population resettlements.
So treating an individual or even people/regions as If there's 100% continuity to their place and using what history you know to explain things can lead to wrong conclusions.
That's some futuristic deep things with genealogy sites&dna companies cooperating ,If historians&professional genealogists also help we will get a better picture.

What you're basically saying is that he's a pure local so locals=Serbians?

it could be a bit of a coincidence... Serbs back then were more Slavic , and Greeks were more southern. so perhaps a village in that area was settled by Serbs, then they started mixing with the surrounding Greeks after some time, and today the result is that today that village plots genetically like modern Serbs.

of course i could be wrong. but there is definitely some story behind this man's genetics, since the most Slavic pulled Greeks i've seen plot with central Fyrom Macedonians and south Bulgarians, not in the center of Serbian cluster like this person.

[Mingle]

it could be a bit of a coincidence... Serbs back then were more Slavic , and Greeks were more southern. so perhaps a village in that area was settled by Serbs, then they started mixing with the surrounding Greeks after some time, and today the result is that today that village plots genetically like modern Serbs.

of course i could be wrong. but there is definitely some story behind this man's genetics, since the most Slavic pulled Greeks i've seen plot with central Fyrom Macedonians and south Bulgarians, not in the center of Serbian cluster like this person.

He's probably just from a Vlach community with recent origins from Romania. I doubt he has anything to do with Serbs.

Vlachs from Greece don't plot like Greeks anyways, this guy is just a bit more northern than most other Vlachs.

[Dorian]

it could be a bit of a coincidence... Serbs back then were more Slavic , and Greeks were more southern. so perhaps a village in that area was settled by Serbs, then they started mixing with the surrounding Greeks after some time, and today the result is that today that village plots genetically like modern Serbs.

of course i could be wrong. but there is definitely some story behind this man's genetics, since the most Slavic pulled Greeks i've seen plot with central Fyrom Macedonians and south Bulgarians, not in the center of Serbian cluster like this person.

I don't know either but thinking about it ,I'd expect some oral tradition to exist about it ,a dialect or something like it happened with other groups.

[CommonSense]

those are not Kaspias' results. it's a Greek from Serres.
Serres (Ser) was the capital of Serbian empire in the 14th century, so there was Serbian settlement into that area

I doubt any place in this part of the world has such a long demographic continuity. Look how many migrations happened only in Serb-inhabited lands. You'd have to study them for decades to know them all.

[Dick]

I dont remember seeing any W from the Balkan results, mostly H subclades, correct me if I'm wrong. I assume this person's mother is Polish.



https://i.imgur.com/pE69jyJ.png

[Hulu]

I dont remember seeing any W from the Balkan results, mostly H subclades, correct me if I'm wrong. I assume this person's mother is Polish.



https://i.imgur.com/pE69jyJ.png

I have some Ws, the only one w5 is 30% eastern euro

[CommonSense]

The person in the OP has very very similar components to myself. It's hard to believe he's a pure Greek.

I wonder how many of you who participated here still remember the thread. A guy I know from another forum brought this upon my attention again. He found the kit that belongs to the man whose results were posted in the OP (BC5774779) and got in touch with him by email. As you can see, he's not even Greek in the proper sense of the word, rather a person from diaspora with a mixed background, as many here have suggested:



https://i.ibb.co/4NHFNfb/rjzzwbst7b1b1.jpg



I'm not sure how much contact Kaspias had with the owner of the kit, if any, but thread was really misleading.

[catgeorge]

I wonder how many of you who participated here still remember the thread. A guy I know from another forum brought this upon my attention again. He found the kit that belongs to the man whose results were posted in the OP (BC5774779) and got in touch with him by email. As you can see, he's not even Greek in the proper sense of the word, rather a person from diaspora with a mixed background, as many here have suggested:



https://i.ibb.co/4NHFNfb/rjzzwbst7b1b1.jpg



I'm not sure how much contact Kaspias had with the owner of the kit, if any, but thread was really misleading.

No doubt Kaspias had a manipulative agenda