NEPALI autosomal DNA

[War Chef]

Interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/n2l3ZYW.png

[Lucas]

What paper?

[War Chef]

What paper?

Not a paper. Dodecad k12 http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/07/results-up-to-dod764-are-posted.html

Other populations:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1okwfVnOBgXH2-HDd_VoIVkgeQAAkXkzu02kjgWThEg8/edit?authkey=COCa89AJ&hl=en_US&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=0

[Peterski]

I know which paper they are from.

[War Chef]

I know which paper they are from.

It seems Nepalese are more Aryan than even Brahmins from Uttar Pradesh.

[Thambi]

Not a paper. Dodecad k12 http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/07/results-up-to-dod764-are-posted.html

Other populations:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1okwfVnOBgXH2-HDd_VoIVkgeQAAkXkzu02kjgWThEg8/edit?authkey=COCa89AJ&hl=en_US&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=0

its dodecad v3 actually, not k12.

this calc shifts nepalis in southeast asian direction, which isnt the case. Even chinese and koreans are getting 75-80% southeast asian on this. I think siberian groups are used for northeast asian. nepalis barely have any southeast asian, less than most chinese and koreans. most of their mongoloid is from tibetans. who are quite northern shifted similar to chinese, japanese, koreans.

I think they used brahmins and chhetris (indo aryan groups) and newars (half mongoloid/half aryan). the pure mongoloid individuals(magar, gurung, tamang) seem to be 3,5,14,15.

[Peterski]

It seems Nepalese are more Aryan than even Brahmins from Uttar Pradesh.

Sherpas are more like Tibetans though.

[Thambi]

Sherpas are more like Tibetans though.

yes they are. I made a thread before regarding nepalese dna. i posted some gedmatch kits and results as well of some groups

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257548-Nepalese-DNA

[War Chef]

its dodecad v3 actually, not k12.

this calc shifts nepalis in southeast asian direction, which isnt the case. Even chinese and koreans are getting 75-80% southeast asian on this. I think siberian groups are used for northeast asian. nepalis barely have any southeast asian, less than most chinese and koreans. most of their mongoloid is from tibetans. who are quite northern shifted similar to chinese, japanese, koreans.

I think they used brahmins and chhetris (indo aryan groups) and newars (half mongoloid/half aryan). the pure mongoloid individuals(magar, gurung, tamang) seem to be 3,5,14,15.

The problem is it seems he used Lahu and Miazou (Hmong) as the reference for South-East Asian populations, however both of those groups have a documented historical migration from the north. Otherwise it's a pretty solid calculator.

My attention is focused on the decent amount of west+east European in the Nepalese. A clear sign of the Aryan cattle-drivers pushing deep into the Gangetic plain. It got me thinking that Nepali ruling class such as that which Buddha Sakhayumi descended from were even more high in west+east European components.

[War Chef]

Sherpas are more like Tibetans though.

They still carry legacy from the Indo-Aryan cattle-drivers who pushed into the Gangetic plain.

[Borealis]

Retarded, Nepalis are a diverse nation

[NPKTO]

The problem is it seems he used Lahu and Miazou (Hmong) as the reference for South-East Asian populations, however both of those groups have a documented historical migration from the north. Otherwise it's a pretty solid calculator.

My attention is focused on the decent amount of west+east European in the Nepalese. A clear sign of the Aryan cattle-drivers pushing deep into the Gangetic plain. It got me thinking that Nepali ruling class such as that which Buddha Sakhayumi descended from were even more high in west+east European components.
I think Nepalese samples were collected from hill (Himalayan) ethnic groups who have very complex stories of migration. I highly doubt Buddha would’ve been more Euro shifted than some of those samples (because he was born in part of Nepal which touches Gangetic Plains). Buddha would’ve probably scored like Uttar Pradesh Kshatriyas, perhaps less ASI shifted version of them.

[Voskos]

Most aryan/europid south asians are the gypsies.How funny is that?

[Adamastor]

Most aryan/europid south asians are the gypsies.How funny is that?

Only when heavily mixed with Europeans. Average Gypsies are less 'Aryan' than average upper caste South Asians, gypsies have a lot of MENA blood.


Nepalis, alongside Dardic groups, are indeed the least Australoid looking South Asians, they mostly look like a Caucasian - Mongoloid combination. The heavy Australoid types are very minoritary there, crossing India-Nepal border through Sonauli was like going from heaven to a hell of blackness.

[NPKTO]

Most aryan/europid south asians are the gypsies.How funny is that?
Gypsies are Europeans though. Most West shifted group in South Asia are pops like Kalash, Kho, Pak Pashtun (although they’re Iranic group), Balochi, Brahui, etc. These groups are quite heavy on Iranian Neolithic admixture. Ironically most Euro shifted groups are from Haryana Jat, Rajasthani Jat, and Ror who lived in the Gangetic Plains. But they’re not quite heavy on Iranian Neolithic.

[War Chef]

I think Nepalese samples were collected from hill (Himalayan) ethnic groups who have very complex stories of migration. I highly doubt Buddha would’ve been more Euro shifted than some of those samples (because he was born in part of Nepal which touches Gangetic Plains). Buddha would’ve probably scored like Uttar Pradesh Kshatriyas, perhaps less ASI shifted version of them.

Buddha was a Sakya noble - ruling elite. There's no doubt the ruling caste would've been closer genetically to the Vedic Indo-Aryans.

Here you can see the kingdom of Sakya at the foothills of the Himalayas.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Mahajanapadas_%28c._500_BCE%29.png

[Thambi]

I think Nepalese samples were collected from hill (Himalayan) ethnic groups who have very complex stories of migration. I highly doubt Buddha would’ve been more Euro shifted than some of those samples (because he was born in part of Nepal which touches Gangetic Plains). Buddha would’ve probably scored like Uttar Pradesh Kshatriyas, perhaps less ASI shifted version of them.

not just that, but the subcontinent was pretty much like brazil prior to caste system. people were already mixed prior to caste system and then later became endogamous.
https://www.livescience.com/38751-genetic-study-reveals-caste-system-origins.html

[Thambi]

Only when heavily mixed with Europeans. Average Gypsies are less 'Aryan' than average upper caste South Asians, gypsies have a lot of MENA blood.


Nepalis, alongside Dardic groups, are indeed the least Australoid looking South Asians, they mostly look like a Caucasian - Mongoloid combination. The heavy Australoid types are very minoritary there, crossing India-Nepal border through Sonauli was like going from heaven to a hell of blackness.

arent people near india/nepal border just madhesis? how did they suddenly turn from white to black lol? and many nepalis are dark as fuck. they have more differences in terms of features rather than skin tone compared to most northern indians.

[War Chef]

not just that, but the subcontinent was pretty much like brazil prior to caste system. people were already mixed prior to caste system and then later became endogamous.
https://www.livescience.com/38751-genetic-study-reveals-caste-system-origins.html

But in Brazil there are individuals of near pure central European stock. Bolonosaro for example

[Thambi]

But in Brazil there are individuals of near pure central European stock. Bolonosaro for example

but there are no pure steppe folks anywhere in south asia. highest steppe is among Rors of haryana and they have 40% max. Even kalash, northern pakstanis, pashtuns have less than them.

As I said, and gave you the link as well, the caste system appeared after mixing happened in south asia so the upper castes were heavily south asian already. caste system popped up later and that too based on occupation.

my point is all south asians became mixed prior to cast system and after that they became strictly endogamous. Sakhyas are right next to all UP kingdoms and there are texts regarding buddha's appearance and he did not look atypical for an south asian when he got enlightened in Bihar, India.

[Leto]

But in Brazil there are individuals of near pure central European stock. Bolonosaro for example
They are not rare there actually. From what I've gathered on the Internet Brazil is at least 60% European on average with some of the Southern states being as much as 80% European.

[Leto]

there are texts regarding buddha's appearance and he did not look atypical for an south asian when he got enlightened in Bihar, India.
I read some claims he looked white - radiant skin with blue eyes. Probably in 600 BC there were still some white-ish looking people left in India (appr. a thousand years after the Aryan invasion).

[Thambi]

I read some claims he looked white - radiant skin with blue eyes. Probably in 600 BC there were still some white-ish looking people left in India (appr. a thousand years after the Aryan invasion).

there are still people that look whitish today, especially in nepal. there are few that npkto posted that look nordic even. but im talking about genetics. genetically in nepal, most brahmins get around 15% NE euro, less than northwest indians. the mountains also help them retain the original aryan features better. if anything, people mixed less after caste system. when aryan came initially, they already mixed with local women. thats the only way they could reproduce to begin with. genetically after one generation, pure aryans are already gone and half breeds, quarter breeds start to pop up.

[Leto]

there are still people that look whitish today, especially in nepal. there are few that npkto posted that look nordic even. but im talking about genetics. genetically in nepal, most brahmins get around 15% NE euro, less than northwest indians. the mountains also help them retain the original aryan features better. if anything, people mixed less after caste system. when aryan came initially, they already mixed with local women. thats the only way they could reproduce to begin with. genetically after one generation, pure aryans are already gone and half breeds, quarter breeds start to pop up.
Maybe there were Aryan women in India as well. Or the Aryan migration wasn't a single event but a continuous development. Also parts of Northern India were under Indo-Scythian rule.

[Adamastor]

They are not rare there actually. From what I've gathered on the Internet Brazil is at least 60% European on average with some of the Southern states being as much as 80% European.

60% is the average for the least European admixed regions of Brazil. The national average is more around 74%, with the most European states being near 80-85% European.
There are many portions of Brazil in which most people are above 80% European.

The Indian guy just don't know what he's talking about, as is usual about Brazil, a heavily misrepresented country.



arent people near india/nepal border just madhesis? how did they suddenly turn from white to black lol? and many nepalis are dark as fuck. they have more differences in terms of features rather than skin tone compared to most northern indians.

When you take a bus from Pokhara, in the Himalayan region, to Sonauli (Uttar Pradesh) the difference is quite visible. I don't know about southern Nepal as a whole, but most regions in Nepal I've been to have way less dark jalu types than anywhere in India.

[NPKTO]

arent people near india/nepal border just madhesis? how did they suddenly turn from white to black lol? and many nepalis are dark as fuck. they have more differences in terms of features rather than skin tone compared to most northern indians.
Yeah they're mostly Madhesis. Dark people exist everywhere in South Asia, but the frequency decreases as you go NW and/or North towards Himalayas.

[Thambi]

Maybe there were Aryan women in India as well. Or the Aryan migration wasn't a single event but a continuous development. Also parts of Northern India were under Indo-Scythian rule.

vast majority of mtdna is south asian (M).

indo scytians didnt extend to nepal. their genetic influence isnt that great since they all had med, which is pretty low to non existant in all of south asia, including nepal. Indo greeks, indo scythians were all seen as barbarians. they just cant randomly mix into the hindu caste system that was already established. and genetic evidence shows no mixing with these groups anyways.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/IndoScythianKingdom.svg/800px-IndoScythianKingdom.svg.png

[Leto]

60% is the average for the least European admixed regions of Brazil. The national average is more around 74%, with the most European states being near 80-85% European.
There are many portions of Brazil in which most people are above 80% European.
74% sounds too high for the national average. I believe even Argentina is no more than 70-75% European on average.

[Leto]

vast majority of mtdna is south asian (M).

indo scytians didnt extend to nepal, and they came after long gone. their genetic influence isnt that great since they all had med, which is pretty low to non existant in all of south asia, including nepal. Indo greeks, indo scythians were all seen as barbarians. they just cant randomly mix into the hindu caste system that was already established. and genetic evidence shows no mixing with these groups anyways.

What about the Jatts and their significant European admixture? Isn't that from Scythians, at least some of that?

[Adamastor]

74% sounds too high for the national average. I believe even Argentina is no more than 70-75% European on average.

No, it's not. Brazil and Argentina have similar levels of European averages, the reason Argentinians look whiter on average is that their mainly non-white component is Amerindian and in Brazil it's SSA (Brazil's SSA average is 17-20%, what is a lot). Even Cubans are around 75%.

[NPKTO]

vast majority of mtdna is south asian (M).

indo scytians didnt extend to nepal, and they came after long gone. their genetic influence isnt that great since they all had med, which is pretty low to non existant in all of south asia, including nepal. Indo greeks, indo scythians were all seen as barbarians. they just cant randomly mix into the hindu caste system that was already established. and genetic evidence shows no mixing with these groups anyways.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/IndoScythianKingdom.svg/800px-IndoScythianKingdom.svg.png
This is HarappaWorld of a Scythian sample. It looks like less Med and E Asian/Siberian shifted version of Sintashta.

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 45.19
2 Baloch 24.96
3 Mediterranean 8.62
4 Caucasian 7.65
5 Siberian 6.23
6 American 2.87
7 Beringian 1.46
8 NE-Asian 1.38

Ps. I think there were certain periods like Buddhist period where caste system wasn't too strict. People could've mixed with other ethnic groups during that time. Regardless Scythian admixture is not applicable for South Asians.

[Leto]

No, it's not. Brazil and Argentina have similar levels of European averages, the reason Argentinians look whiter on average is that their mainly non-white component is Amerindian and in Brazil it's SSA (Brazil's SSA average is 17-20%, what is a lot). Even Cubans are around 75%.
So what is your estimated percentage of predominantly Negroid people in Brazil? Like 50-90% (I doubt there's anyone above 90% SSA over there). 10%? More or less?

[Thambi]

What about the Jatts and their significant European admixture? Isn't that from Scythians, at least some of that?

none actually. literally all of it is steppe. I used different available scythian samples as well for the references

https://i.imgur.com/8DvTMl3.png

[Adamastor]

So what is your estimated percentage of predominantly Negroid people in Brazil? Like 50-90% (I doubt there's anyone above 90% SSA over there). 10%? More or less?

Genetically I'd say 10% of predominantly Negroids, 10% of full Europeans (99-100%), 10-15% of people over 90% European, 1-2% of pure Amerindians, 1-2% of pure Japanese, 1-2% of pure Middle Easterners. The remaining 65-70% in between 60-90% European, with most people between 70-80%.

This last group is the most difficult to categorize, because they can vary drastically in terms of phenotypes, from Neymar types to fully European looking types. Generally the least Negroid admixed ones tend to look European or near it.

[War Chef]

none actually. literally all of it is steppe. I used different available scythian samples as well for the references

https://i.imgur.com/8DvTMl3.png

Do you have any pictures of Rors? I am having difficulty finding them.

[Thambi]

Do you have any pictures of Rors? I am having difficulty finding them.

here's the only Ror I know lol. His name is Neeraj Chopra, indian athlete.

https://celebrityxyz.com/i/p/2.jpg

Here are some haryana jats, closest people to haryana rors

https://i.imgur.com/ENDVehf.jpg
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mm110.jpg
https://www.thestatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/1488460903-jatprotests517sns.jpg

[Leto]

Genetically I'd say 10% of predominantly Negroids, 10% of full Europeans (99-100%), 10-15% of people over 90% European, 1-2% of pure Amerindians, 1-2% of pure Japanese, 1-2% of pure Middle Easterners. The remaining 65-70% in between 60-90% European, with most people between 70-80%.

This last group is the most difficult to categorize, because they can vary drastically in terms of phenotypes, from Neymar types to fully European looking types. Generally the least Negroid admixed ones tend to look European or near it.
Okay. Neymar looks 60-65% European but his son can pass in Europe
https://www.1news.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/163221201906155d0547c5aee44.jpg

Neymar's father looks maybe 40% African, 10-15% Amerindian and 45-50% European.
https://i0.wp.com/psgworldnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/neymarsrjr.jpg?fit=615%2C397&ssl=1

[Adamastor]

Okay. Neymar looks 60-65% European but his son can pass in Europe


Yep. Neymar and his father did what the Brazilian government of the 19th century thought would be the ideal: to dillute the black blood so much that it would become inexistent or indetectable in three or four generations. It was called 'The Redemption of Cam' (yeah, the damned biblical character regarded by Catholics as the father of blacks).

Few people outside Brazil know, but the coutry had an official eugenic policy in early 20th century, with the aim of dilluting and eliminating black influence.
It was abandoned in the 30s but that's one of the reasons around 4.5 million Europeans migrated to Brazil between 1890 and 1930 and the country still have a considerable minority of full Europeans. Until 1945 Africans from Africa couldn't enter in the Brazilian territory. Just for comparison, countries like Mexico or Costa Rica have at most 1% of fully European citizens.

[Leto]

1-2% of pure Japanese, 1-2% of pure Middle Easterners.

Do you think they haven't intermixed with whites and mestizos by now? Normally after 2-3 generations immigrants tend to lose their language, culture and start assimilating into the dominant group. Especially if they're not Muslims and other religions don't play a big role in these days.

[Leto]

Here are some haryana jats, closest people to haryana rors

They look Pakistani, nothing special about them. Just about the same as the Muslim grooming gangs in England.

[War Chef]

They look Pakistani, nothing special about them. Just about the same as the Muslim grooming gangs in England.

East European Yamna-stuff won't really begin to show unless past 33%.

Even Chechens/Lezgins who are like 1/4 Yamna are overwhelmingly Middle-Eastern looking.

[Thambi]

They look Pakistani, nothing special about them. Just about the same as the Muslim grooming gangs in England.

lol.

I'm thinking that because the plains tend to be very hot and all, they lost the original steppe pheno very easily while the northern pakistanis, kashmiris, nepalis living in the mountains preserved it a bit more. These haryana folks look no different to a lot of other north indian groups from up, rajasthan.

[Leto]

East European Yamna-stuff won't really begin to show past 33%.

Even Chechens/Lezgins who are like 1/4 Yamna are overwhelmingly Middle-Eastern looking.
North Caucasians are usually as light as Southern Europeans and Albanians with a significant minority of them (maybe 1 in 4 or 5) being as light as Russians (eye and hair color, ruddy skin). But I agree they often look straight up West Asian, people that haven't been to Russia tend to whitewash them. They are called 'blacks' in Russia for a reason (if they were all Nordic-looking, that stereotype wouldn't have emerged).

By the way, can anyone model Caucasians on nMonte? Like CHG, EHG, Mongoloid, etc.

[Adamastor]

Do you think they haven't intermixed with whites and mestizos by now? Normally after 2-3 generations immigrants tend to lose their language, culture and start assimilating into the dominant group. Especially if they're not Muslims and other religions don't play a big role in these days.

I'm considering the ones already admixed when I point that probably 1% or 2% of Brazilians are pure Japanese or pure MENAs. I mean, we received around 400.000 Lebanese and Syrians from 1900 to 1950 and around 300.000 Japanese, there's no way all these people became mixed with whites, triracials or any other thing.

[Borealis]

lol.

I'm thinking that because the plains tend to be very hot and all, they lost the original steppe pheno very easily while the northern pakistanis, kashmiris, nepalis living in the mountains preserved it a bit more. These haryana folks look no different to a lot of other north indian groups from up, rajasthan.

Lol, the Paki rape gangs in England are from northern Pakistan. Mirpuris/Azad kashmiris

[Kaazi]

Interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/n2l3ZYW.png

This sample Nepalese_12 is ~60% atypical Nepali Brahmin with unusually higher Iran Neolithic/BMAC (like Kashmiri Pandit) + ~40% East Asian.

Nepalese_D:Nepalese_12_F081430,0.063741,-0.176702,-0.084852,0.025517,-0.026774,0.043228,-0.00141,-0.000692,0.015544,-0.003645,-0.0367,-0.005545,0.001487,-0.010184,-0.00095,0.005171,0.007953,-0.005194,-0.002263,0.007253,0.001123,0.020403,0.016515,-0.008435,0.015328

Target: Nepalese_D:Nepalese_12_F081430
Distance: 4.3458% / 0.04345812
42.8 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
30.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
16.0 UZB_Bustan_BA
11.0 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA

harappaworld
[
{
"sample": "Kaazi:Nepalese 12-raw",
"NE-Asian": 33.5,
"S-Indian": 25.96,
"Baloch": 24.16,
"Caucasian": 6.85,
"NE-Euro": 4.78,
"American": 1.61,
"SW-Asian": 1.46,
"SE-Asian": 0.86,
"Siberian": 0.51,
"E-African": 0.27,
"Pygmy": 0.06
}
]

This sample is almost 1 in a million sample. lol, it's very unusual and atypical for any caste existing in Nepal.

It will probably be similar to some atypical Ladakhis with half Kashmiri +half Tibetan profile.