Classify this Russian Udmurt rugby player

[savvas]

https://i.imgur.com/MPJiYQE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0I6lnZn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XzuPbB0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VDmFK1X.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nlqVrVJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vJz7G0O.jpg
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[Satem]

Fenno Nordic

[Bigsaul]

His name is Udmurt Vos

[savvas]

Fenno Nordic

Can he pass in Sweden?

[Satem]

Can he pass in Sweden?

I don't think so.

[Laag]

Close to this Coon's North-East Upper Paleolithic. Probably this variant of NEUP is closest to so-called "Uralid'. Looks very Udmurt, pass in Ural Mountains area only. I can't imagine him as Karelian or Russian from Northern Russia.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe023.jpg

[savvas]

Close to this Coon's North-East Upper Paleolithic. Probably this variant of NEUP is closest to so-called "Uralid'. Looks very Udmurt, pass in Ural Mountains area only. I can't imagine him as Karelian or Russian from Northern Russia.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe023.jpg

Interesting. I think he looks quite Irish/Scottish, with the red hair. When you see the red hair you instantly think of Ireland, he definitely pass better there than in Russia imo

[Newsboy]

He can pass well in Finland. He may pass in Ireland or Scotland but to me something is a bit 'off', I'm not sure what.

I'd still say this even if his origin hadn't been revealed.

[Laag]

Interesting. I think he looks quite Irish/Scottish, with the red hair. When you see the red hair you instantly think of Ireland, he definitely pass better there than in Russia imo

Brunn and Ladogan are related types. Both are Upper Paleolithic types: Brunn is North-West and Ladogan is North-East Upper Paleolithic.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe095.jpg


FIG.5 (1 view). A Finn from Vasa (S. Ostrobothnia), who is anthropometrically and morphologically very close to the Irishman from Leitrim. The same curly hair, and the same conformation of the forehead, lips, and nose have produced a striking similarity. This and other evidence indicate that features which in Finns are often popularly supposed to be mongoloid are actually of European Upper Palaeolithic inspiration.

Brunn
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe096.jpg
Ladogan
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe022.jpg
Cro-Magnon girl from Sungir
https://i.imgur.com/RcdFLs8.jpg


During the Late Pleistocene age, the post-glacial Mesolithic cultural period, descendants of Upper Palaeolithic hunters lived in North Africa, in most of Europe, and in western Siberia, where some of them merged into the ancestors of the mongoloid group of humanity. Even during the Upper Palaeolithic cultural period in western Europe, some of the hunting peoples showed incipiently mongoloid racial tendencies. Among the living descendants of these hunters, these tendencies are more common in the eastern groups than among those living in the west.

[Laag]

I checked the OP he's not Udmurt he's Cathal Sheridan Ireland rugby player.

[Ion Basescul]

He looks like Prince Harry in the 2nd photo, a depigmented Russian in the 3rd and a depigmented Central Asian in the 4th. It really depends on the perspective, but if he were to take a 23andme test, autosomally I bet he'd turn about 20% East Asian/Siberian, which is the average for Udmurts.

[Newsboy]

I checked the OP he's not Udmurt he's Cathal Sheridan Ireland rugby player.

I looked up 'Cathal Sheridan' and you're right, it is him. Features-wise he looks a bit different from the Irish I've seen. Pigmentation is very common from what I've seen.

But Grace O'Malley would know better. If she tells me I'm wrong, I'll accept it.

Ha savvas ;)! Another trick up his sleeve (this time, also Irish). Such a quirky poster :p!

[Grace O'Malley]

He's even got Bank of Ireland written across his shirt in the 6th picture. :) Another good thread. :thumb001: He's a good Sligo man.

[Crimson Winds]

Close to this Coon's North-East Upper Paleolithic. Probably this variant of NEUP is closest to so-called "Uralid'. Looks very Udmurt, pass in Ural Mountains area only. I can't imagine him as Karelian or Russian from Northern Russia.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe023.jpg

He is a short-skulled version my Lol.

[Sarmatian]

He looks soo much British he could never pass in Russia.

[Peterski]

Keltic, Prince Harry's lookalike:

https://i.imgur.com/vJz7G0O.jpg

[The Blade]

Close to this Coon's North-East Upper Paleolithic. Probably this variant of NEUP is closest to so-called "Uralid'. Looks very Udmurt, pass in Ural Mountains area only. I can't imagine him as Karelian or Russian from Northern Russia.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe023.jpg
Lol. This and your later statement about his Irish ancestry (he really is Irish) proves you still don't get the meaning of taxonomy and ''classify'' based on ethnicity, frdfgcg (or should I call you meiliren, Niko23, Dreamcatcher, simple user or Danny K - (I think; maybe you had others, too) all of your previous fake accounts).

For the record, OP guy is Nordocromagnid.

[Laag]

Lol. This and your later statement about his Irish ancestry (he really is Irish) proves you still don't get the meaning of taxonomy and ''classify'' based on ethnicity, frdfgcg (or should I call you meiliren, Niko23, Dreamcatcher, simple user or Danny K - (I think; maybe you had others, too) all of your previous fake accounts).

For the record, OP guy is Nordocromagnid.

He's Brunn. If he was Udmurt, then, Ladogan. Easy as 2+2.

[The Blade]

He's Brunn. If he was Udmurt, then, Ladogan. Easy as 2+2.
This isn't the same thing but I didn't comment your rate of his taxonomy but your idea of where he fits.
You read "Udmurt'' and said that kind of face cannot fit outside Ural area (not even as Karelian or Northern Russian).
Now, that you knew he's Irish he suddenly became Brunn extremely typical for the northwest - lol.

[Laag]

This isn't the same thing but I didn't comment your rate of his taxonomy but your idea of where he fits.
You read "Udmurt'' and said that kind of face cannot fit outside Ural area (not even as Karelian or Northern Russian).
Now, that you knew he's Irish he suddenly became Brunn extremely typical for the northwest - lol.

Brunn is North-West Upper Paleolithic and Ladogan is North-East Upper Paleolithic. This is not my idea but Coon.
http://i55.tinypic.com/vo32fp.jpg

[Smaug]

Brünn. An Udmurt rugby player? Really?

[Laag]

Brunn is exclusive North-West type while Ladogan is exclusive North-East type. One of these girls is Irish girl and other is Russian but one of them is Brunn and other is North-East Upper Paleolithic type. It doesn't matter what you call it. East Baltid, Baltid, West Baltid, Eastern CM, Balto-CM, Tavastid and so on. All these names is just the names of the same type - North-East Upper Paleolithic.
https://get.wallhere.com/photo/women-model-portrait-celebrity-actress-blue-fashion-hair-spring-Saoirse-Ronan-girl-beauty-season-eye-hairstyle-portrait-photography-photo-shoot-158284.jpg
http://static.fashionbank.ru/photo/2009/06/22029/Irina-Silkova6782682.jpg

[The Blade]

Brunn is North-West Upper Paleolithic and Ladogan is North-East Upper Paleolithic. This is not my idea but Coon.
http://i55.tinypic.com/vo32fp.jpg
This thing you post isn't from Coon, but from Agrippa.
Don't misinform people.
Everyone who's read Coon knows he didn't use Dalofaelid/Phalian/Dalsrasse (Paudler coined the term) or Tydal/Paleo Atlantid (Lundman conception). Coon's die-hard fanboys have previously been extremely annoying saying just because a certain type wasn't noticed or a conception of their hero, it makes it non-existent and the idea of it pointless.
Coon took William Zebina Ripley's "The Races of Europe" adding only minor details and some conceptions debunked by genetics and criticized by other authors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Coon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._Coon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Ripley)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Z._Ripley

[Laag]

This thing you post isn't from Coon, but from Agrippa.
Don't misinform people.
Everyone who's read Coon knows he didn't use Dalofaelid/Phalian/Dalsrasse (Paudler coined the term) or Tydal/Paleo Atlantid (Lundman conception). Coon's die-hard fanboys have previously been extremely annoying saying just because a certain type wasn't noticed or a conception of their hero, it makes it non-existent and the idea of it pointless.
Coon took William Zebina Ripley's "The Races of Europe" adding only minor details and some conceptions debunked by genetics and criticized by other authors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Coon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._Coon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Ripley)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Z._Ripley

I know that.

[Laag]

Coon placed Brunn and Ladogan in his general Upper Paleolithic category.

[Laag]

I posted plenty North-East European women and I got on each of them classification from Ladogan, East Baltid to Balto-CM and Eastern Cro-Magnon. But basically all of them are North-East Upper Paleolithic.

[Laag]

Check this thread. Some of those women.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?290436-Are-women-from-the-North-of-Russia-the-most-beautiful-in-Russia

[The Blade]

Brunn is exclusive North-West type while Ladogan is exclusive North-East type. One of these girls is Irish girl and other is Russian but one of them is Brunn and other is North-East Upper Paleolithic type. It doesn't matter what you call it. East Baltid, Baltid, West Baltid, Eastern CM, Balto-CM, Tavastid and so on. All these names is just the names of the same type - North-East Upper Paleolithic.
https://get.wallhere.com/photo/women-model-portrait-celebrity-actress-blue-fashion-hair-spring-Saoirse-Ronan-girl-beauty-season-eye-hairstyle-portrait-photography-photo-shoot-158284.jpg
http://static.fashionbank.ru/photo/2009/06/22029/Irina-Silkova6782682.jpg
In this particular case it only becomes clear who the Russian is by the ''FashionBank.ru" phrase.
Both can fit as the opposite ethnicity.
Taxonomy doesn't reflect ethnicity and doesn't care much about it, especially in the case of Europeans.
Ethnicity is a later concept when people of various racial subtypes had already coexisted at certain areas. Furthermore, countries' borders have changed a lot in Europe, so the frequency of certain phenotypes in various states has decreased or increased.
First woman is Tronder and second Faelid in terms of taxonomy.
Neither fits categories like Brunn or Baltid.

[Laag]

Most women in my motherland look like this example from Coon.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe022.jpg
Or this Cro-Magnon girl from Sungir.
https://i.imgur.com/RcdFLs8.jpg
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-450/1225852p/27da64b1/finalists-in-john-gallianos-fashion-fringe-covent-garden-london-britain-shutterstock-editorial-1225852p.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/84/36/33/843633a7b60128f99bc952d4740b1ef1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rA7OakC.png
https://i0.wp.com/gubdaily.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/krasa-4-9-550x550.jpg?resize=550%2C550
https://i2.wp.com/gubdaily.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/bitcmwSJU8Y.jpg?resize=600%2C1000&ssl=1

[Laag]

East Baltid, Baltid, West Baltid, Balto-CM, Balto-Ladogan, Tavastid, Eastern Cro-Magnon, Ladogan all these classifications will be correct for them. And I got these classifications from TA experts. Basically all of them are North-East Upper Paleolithic type.

[Laag]

In this particular case it only becomes clear who the Russian is by the ''FashionBank.ru" phrase.
Both can fit as the opposite ethnicity.
Taxonomy doesn't reflect ethnicity and doesn't care much about it, especially in the case of Europeans.
Ethnicity is a later concept when people of various racial subtypes had already coexisted at certain areas. Furthermore, countries' borders have changed a lot in Europe, so the frequency of certain phenotypes in various states has decreased or increased.
First woman is Tronder and second Faelid in terms of taxonomy.
Neither fits categories like Brunn or Baltid.

A good guess. I think it's just a matter of taste as classify. Faelid could be good classification for her I think.
Basically Faelid is also North-East Upper Paleolithic type.
Hindenburg is East Baltic in Coon's schema and Faelid in Günther's schema.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe071.jpg
East Baltic is sybtype of Ladogan type.


(4) Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and/or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:

(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.

(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States.

(5) Lappish: A stunted, highly brachycephalized, largely brunet relative of the Ladogan, originally living to the east of the Ladogan type area, in the Urals and western Siberia. Has probably assimilated some evolved mongoloid, but owes its partly mongoloid appearance more to the retention of an early intermediate evolutionary condition. In modern times much mixed with Ladogan and Nordic.

[Newsboy]

He's even got Bank of Ireland written across his shirt in the 6th picture. :) Another good thread. :thumb001: He's a good Sligo man.

Ahh.. good catch! Although many teams have foreigners (e.g. Alberto Botia played for a Greek football team from 2014-2018) so the shirt they wear isn't necessarily indicative of their ethnicity or origin.

In this case though he is ethnically Irish. Wasn't sure where in Ireland he's from. Now I do! Good to know :).

[21993]

Brünn

[Zanzibar]

He looks like Prince Harry in the 2nd photo, a depigmented Russian in the 3rd and a depigmented Central Asian in the 4th. It really depends on the perspective, but if he were to take a 23andme test, autosomally I bet he'd turn about 20% East Asian/Siberian, which is the average for Udmurts.

Maybe on 23andme, but on G25, formal stats or admixture-based calculators like gedmatch, Udmurts are closer to 26-28% Mongoloid or up to 30% East Asian/Siberian genetically.