Classify Jason Miller Irish-American Actor

[Grace O'Malley]

He is nearly all Irish with a small amount of German. He played Father Karras in the iconic classic horror movie The Exorcist. He was a very talented playwriter and actually won the Pulitzer Prize. He is also the father of the actor Jason Patric of The Lost Boys fame. He sadly died when 62 of a heart attack in 2001.

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[Incal]

In the Exorcist he was supposed to be Greek right?

[Grace O'Malley]

In the Exorcist he was supposed to be Greek right?

Yes and he was great in that role.

[Daco Celtic]

I think some people might say Paleo-Atlantid because he is mostly Irish. If you had said he was Italian or Greek people would give a totally different phenotype. I think nationality creates a bias with these classifications.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think some people might say Paleo-Atlantid because he is mostly Irish. If you had said he was Italian or Greek people would give a totally phenotype. I think nationality creates a bias with these classifications.

I 100% agree. It is all based on the origin of the subject what classification they get.

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[Incal]

Yes and he was great in that role.

I agree. Seems weird tho to have a catholic greek priest. But then again the few greeks we got in LatAm are catholic now.

[Grace O'Malley]

I agree. Seems weird tho to have a catholic greek priest. But then again the few greeks we got in LatAm are catholic now.

Yes he could of just as easily been Italian but in the novel he was from a Greek family.

[Grace O'Malley]

Jason still looks Irish to me though. He is similar to Gabriel Byrne.

He was from Scranton Pennsylvania and went to all Catholic schools and universities. He had never acted in a movie before the Exorcist and was actually personally picked for the role and was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role of Father Karras. He was also offered the lead role in Taxi Driver but turned it down.

[Daco Celtic]

I 100% agree. It is all based on the origin of the subject what classification they get.

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It's interesting how phenotypes don't always follow a nice pattern that we see on PCAs and calculators. There are so many wildcards. We can make some broad generalizations on looks of course but there are just too many exceptions.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's interesting how phenotypes don't always follow a nice pattern that we see on PCAs and calculators. There are so many wildcards. We can make some broad generalizations on looks of course but there are just too many exceptions.

Yes people will cluster with their countrymen no matter what their colouring. This is what I've been saying for years. People used to think that someone with darker colouring had a different origin than a blond or redheaded person of the same nationality i.e. "The Black Irish" :). It's all rubbish as they all descend from the same ancestors.

[Grace O'Malley]

Posting this here for people who have never seen The Exorcist and also because this is a great piece of music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6jIvKiYOs

[billErobreren]

Oh I remember him. God, that's a great head of hair. He's an Atlantid. Considering the Irish side of my family largely comes from Donegal, he doesn't look that off-Irish to me. Though he seems more French or Portuguese looking than Greek, then again, Natalie Wood played a Puerto Rican, so for movies, the coloring's often what matters not bone structure.

He married into Jackie Gleason's family and his son barely took after him.
https://www.newdvdreleasedates.com/images/profiles/jason-patric.jpg

[Incal]

Jason still looks Irish to me though. He is similar to Gabriel Byrne.

He was from Scranton Pennsylvania and went to all Catholic schools and universities. He had never acted in a movie before the Exorcist and was actually personally picked for the role and was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role of Father Karras. He was also offered the lead role in Taxi Driver but turned it down.

Same type as George Best you'd say?

[Daco Celtic]

Yes people will cluster with their countrymen no matter what their colouring. This is what I've been saying for years. People used to think that someone with darker colouring had a different origin than a blond or redheaded person of the same nationality i.e. "The Black Irish" :). It's all rubbish as they all descend from the same ancestors.

I'm curious to know if you think these darker traits reflect a pre-Bell Beaker population that existed in Ireland. A small minority of traits that persisted through older populations being replaced.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh I remember him. God, that's a great head of hair. He's an Atlantid. Considering the Irish side of my family largely comes from Donegal, he doesn't look that off-Irish to me. Though he seems more French or Portuguese looking than Greek, then again, Natalie Wood played a Puerto Rican, so for movies, the coloring's often what matters not bone structure.

He married into Jackie Gleason's family and his son barely took after him.
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Yes I agree he still looks Irish to me. I think his family was mostly from the west as well. He has a similarity to people like Matt Dillon and Gabriel Byrne.

I think Patric looks Irish as well especially when he was younger. Facially he was very similar to my ex and also my daughter.

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[billErobreren]

Yes I agree he still looks Irish to me. I think his family was mostly from the west as well. He has a similarity to people like Kevin Dillon and Gabriel Byrne.

I think Patric looks Irish as well especially when he was younger. Facially he was very similar to my ex and also my daughter.

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Many Irish have dark hair and sharp, narrow noses like Miller's, mine's often blamed on my gran, she looked like Moya Brennan in her youth. For the dark haired more rugged types(Paleo-Atlantids), I remember growing up and just resenting the likes of Jason Patric and Morrissey for their dark Irish looks. Those dark brows just work wonders on women while mine were practically see-trough. :laugh:

[Daco Celtic]

Many Irish have dark hair and sharp, narrow noses like Miller's, mine's often blamed on my gran, she looked like Moya Brennan in her youth. For the dark haired more rugged types(Paleo-Atlantids), I remember growing up and just resenting the likes of Jason Patric and Morrissey for their dark Irish looks. Those dark brows just work wonders on women while mine were practically see-trough. :laugh:

Irish have an unusual amount of thick eyebrows. I've never been able to figure this out.

[Grace O'Malley]

Many Irish have dark hair and sharp, narrow noses like Miller's, mine's often blamed on my gran, she looked like Moya Brennan in her youth. For the dark haired more rugged types(Paleo-Atlantids), I remember growing up and just resenting the likes of Jason Patric and Morrissey for their dark Irish looks. Those dark brows just work wonders on women while mine were practically see-trough. :laugh:

He's very similar looking to my ex who had no trouble with attracting women. My daughter inherited those great eyebrows and eyelashes as well. :)

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm curious to know if you think these darker traits reflect a pre-Bell Beaker population that existed in Ireland. A small minority of traits that persisted through older populations being replaced.

No I don't because what is very common in Irish families is that you could have someone with darker colouring and a sibling with completely different colouring. They all have the same genetics and ancestors. I'm not sure how much Irish neolithic survived but it is very small if non-existent looking at nmonte models and G25. It will be interesting to see that study from Cassidy though as from what I've heard she will cover this in her paper.

[billErobreren]

Irish have an unusual amount of thick eyebrows. I've never been able to figure this out.

Ma didn't bless me with the brows.
Mine are thick-ISH; they were pretty fair and some brow hairs have gone rusty with age, so there'll be a hint of orange there. They're not spread like that. I just came out looking too much like a Kraut overall, I look pretty rugged but not Irish rugged.

[Grace O'Malley]

Look at how similar Gabriel is to Jason Miller. He also has the thick brows. :)

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[Daco Celtic]

No I don't because what is very common in Irish families is that you could have someone with darker colouring and a sibling with completely different colouring. They all have the same genetics and ancestors. I'm not sure how much Irish neolithic survived but it is very small if non-existent looking at nmonte models and G25. It will be interesting to see that study from Cassidy though as from what I've heard she will cover this in her paper.

That makes sense. I was thinking that the amount of neolithic that survived would have been small but just enough influence a small minority of the population. I would guess that even the Bell Beaker had a diversity of features.

[Daco Celtic]

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[Grace O'Malley]

That makes sense. I was thinking that the amount of neolithic that survived would have been small but just enough influence a small minority of the population. I would guess that even the Bell Beaker had a diversity of features.

Irish of course have neolithic ancestry but it is mostly what was brought in by the Bell Beakers so it appears to be more Globular Amphora but a in depth study like the Cassidy one should be very enlightening. I think someone was saying that there was more a neolithic holdout or more neolithic in the southwest that might have been from maritime Beakers. It's frustrating that the study has an embargo on it until May next year.

[billErobreren]

Mr. Remington Steele himself had a sick pair of brows. That mane on Brosnan too. These are men, that live their lives knowing they'll never be jammed bald into a cascket. Grey? Maybe, most likely, but not bald.

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[Grace O'Malley]

Mr. Remington Steele himself had a sick pair of brows. That mane on Brosnan too. These are men, that live their lives knowing they'll never be jammed bald into a cascket. Grey? Maybe, most likely, but not bald.

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I think the darker Irishmen are very handsome. There are a few good examples around with Brosnan being one of the best known due to his role as Bond and Remington Steele. A lot of Irishmen keep their hair and that is genetic. It is interesting how certain traits pooled in some populations. The IRF4 gene reaches a maximum in Ireland and was discovered in the Icelandic population. It gives brown hair, blue eyes and freckles.

http://lifvisindi.hi.is/icelandic-scientists-unravel-how-genetic-variation-affects-human-pigmentation-and-formation-freckles

[billErobreren]

I think the darker Irishmen are very handsome. There are a few good examples around with Brosnan being one of the best known due to his role as Bond and Remington Steele. A lot of Irishmen keep their hair and that is genetic. It is interesting how certain traits pooled in some populations. The IRF4 gene reaches a maximum in Ireland and was discovered in the Icelandic population. It gives brown hair, blue eyes and freckles.

http://lifvisindi.hi.is/icelandic-scientists-unravel-how-genetic-variation-affects-human-pigmentation-and-formation-freckles

Oh you can find them in Iceland(check the dude I've got as my avatar with the fat brows, he's Icelandic though he was balding in his 20s, very un-Irish) but they're very rare there, for some reason. Most Iceladic brunettes people will cherrypick for this forum are just folks whose hairs went mousy from blond with age. I don't remember this girl's name but she's Icelandic as far as I know and those traits have manifested in her case.
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The blue eyed/dark hair combo can be more often found in Western Norway than Iceland proper, Danes come in second but as far as Danes go they seem to look as British as they do Baltic coast Polish(Kashubian) so their looks can be tricky, same with Swedes. Though dificulty finding them, may have more to do with the fact that Iceland's so sparsely populated than that being an overcount.

[sean]

Alpinid.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh you can find them in Iceland(check the dude I've got as my avatar with the fat brows, he's Icelandic though he was balding in his 20s, very un-Irish) but they're very rare there, for some reason. Most Iceladic brunettes people will cherrypick for this forum are just folks whose hairs went mousy from blond with age. I don't remember this girl's name but she's Icelandic as far as I know and those traits have manifested in her case.
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The blue eyed/dark hair combo can be more often found in Western Norway than Iceland proper, Danes come in second but as far as Danes go they seem to look as British as they do Baltic coast Polish(Kashubian) so their looks can be tricky, same with Swedes. Though dificulty finding them, may have more to do with the fact that Iceland's so sparsely populated than that being an overcount.

She does look very Irish. :) Icelandics would get a lot of their traits from Norwegians no doubt as much as Irish. I don't know if Icelandics are much aware of their Gaelic connections? I imagine they are.

[Grace O'Malley]

It is also interesting that Jason Miller married another Irish-American. I suppose that was more common in the past than today. I also married an Irish descended person but I think that sort of thing is becoming less common today.

[billErobreren]

She does look very Irish. :) Icelandics would get a lot of their traits from Norwegians no doubt as much as Irish. I don't know if Icelandics are much aware of their Gaelic connections? I imagine they are.

They know it. However the greater bulk of their culture they feel they owe to the Norse, they're purists about their tongue and what little they've been given to keep and foster, they deeply treasure. Their first Irish matriachs would've potentially had little say as to how much they could teach their children as far as her culture was concerned, sadly.

Truly, out of 10 Icelanders 3 look more distinctively Irish than Western Norwegian or Danish. Which checks out with their level of Gaelic admixture. No one would've seen a good reason go to Iceland, you can't farm there, so all they would've gotten was Danish and Norwegian settlers as Iceland went from back and forth to their respective crowns. After the reformation, I reckon whatever kinship the Irish could've felt for the Icelanders must've gone out the window. I don't think proper Catholic Irishmen and women would've fancied a family reunion with a buch of heretics, they weren't too happy with their nearest of kin or next door neighbors over that and vice versa.:laugh:

[Grace O'Malley]

They know it. However the greater bulk of their culture they feel they owe to the Norse, they're purists about their tongue and what little they've been given to keep and foster, they deeply treasure. Their first Irish matriachs would've potentially had little say as to how much they could teach their children as far as her culture was concerned, sadly.

Truly, out of 10 Icelanders 3 look more distinctively Irish than Western Norwegian or Danish. Which checks out with their level of Gaelic admixture. No one would've seen a good reason go to Iceland, you can't farm there, so all they would've gotten was Danish and Norwegian settlers as Iceland went from back and forth to their respective crowns. After the reformation, I reckon whatever kinship the Irish could've felt for the Icelanders must've gone out the window. I don't think proper Catholic Irishmen and women would've fancied a family reunion with a buch of heretics, they weren't too happy with their nearest of kin or next door neighbors over that and vice versa.:laugh:

A lot of the Irish input there was due to thralls so they wouldn't have had a great say in things but I've read that the Icelandic sagas owe a lot to the Irish tradition more than the Norse. One of my namesakes has a prominent role in the Icelandic sagas and one of his daughters has a prominent lineage in the Icelandics. I've often wondered if that is why I have some genetic connection to Icelandics. Even though they were enemies the Ui Neill had a lot of interaction with the Vikings. It was most likely on multiple fronts though due to intermarriage with Vikings and prominent clans. This is the lineage I'm specifically speaking of.


The Icelandic Landnámabók describes Cerball (Kjarvalur) as ruler of Dublin and Earl of Orkney and opens with a list of the most prominent rulers in Viking-age Europe, listing this Ossorian king alongside Popes Adrian II and John VIII; Byzantine Emperors Leo VI the Wise and his son Alexander; Harald Fairhair, king of Norway; Eric Anundsson and his son Björn Eriksson rulers of Sweden; Gorm the Old king of Denmark; and Alfred the Great, king of England.[16]

While it is unsurprising that Cerball's great-great-grandson should have commissioned a work in which his most illustrious ancestor was portrayed in a heroic light, it is less obvious why Cerball in particular should have such a prominent place in the Icelandic sagas and in the genealogies of the founding families of Iceland as recorded by the Landnámabók. The Landnámabók mentions "Kormlöð", "Rafarta, the daughter of Kjarval", "Dufnial, who was the son of Kjarval" and "Friðgerðr, the daughter of Kjarval". Rafarta or Raforta is also mentioned in Njál's saga and the Laxdæla saga, and Friðgerðr in the Vinland sagas. The marriage of "Eithne, daughter of King Kjarval of Ireland" and Hlodvir Thorfinnsson, Earl of Orkney is reported in the Orkneyinga saga and Earl Sigurd the Stout, who was killed at the battle of Clontarf is called their son.[36]

Some of these names are Irish: Kormlöð is the common name Gormflaith, Eithne too is clearly Irish as is Dufnial. It is doubtful whether Rafarta or Fridgerd are Irish, and there are clearly difficulties with the supposed number of generations. Insofar as any conclusions have been reached by historians of Ireland, it appears that the supposed descendants of Cerball left for Iceland in the generation before Donnchad mac Gilla Patraic, towards the end of the tenth century. Given the likely date at which the Landnámabók was compiled, this is rather too far in the past for the genealogies to be considered very reliable. Adding to the uncertainty, the genealogies of the Osraige themselves were subject to comprehensive rewriting in Cerball's time and immediately afterwards, attaching them to the Laigin of Leinster.

It has been suggested that the importance of Cerball in Icelandic writings stems from the popularity of the Fragmentary Annals of Ireland among the Norse-Gaels of eleventh century Ireland, who passed these accounts on to the Icelanders, who then attached this famous and warlike king to their ancestry. Whether Cerball was in fact an ancestor of many prominent settler families is, however, of rather less importance than the fact that the Icelanders considered it worth reporting their descent from Cerball mac Dúnlainge, whether real or contrived. As with the adoption of Norse names, sagas and other features, and the creation of the Norse-Gael culture, Cerball's adoption in Iceland is an example of the contacts between Norse and Gaelic society in the Viking Age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerball_mac_D%C3%BAnlainge

[billErobreren]

It is also interesting that Jason Miller married another Irish-American. I suppose that was more common in the past than today. I also married an Irish descended person but I think that sort of thing is becoming less common today.

That must be Linda. Jason Patric's mother, she was rather pretty in the 70's, it's her he largely seems to take after.
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And yeah, back in the day, people used to make a HUGE deal about marrying co-ethnics. Italians sought each other out, the Irish sought each other out, these were the more committed ones.

[Grace O'Malley]

That must be Linda. Jason Patric's mother, she was rather pretty in the 70's, it's her he largely seems to take after.
https://68.media.tumblr.com/eebf464a13df00a1378d3cd1ce789bec/tumblr_np9p17Ubj01s0u7vwo2_500.jpg

And yeah, back in the day, people used to make a HUGE deal about marrying co-ethnics. Italians sought each other out, the Irish sought each other out, these were the more committed ones.

What a lovely looking couple. It does seem a thing of the past but people then had more a connection to their ancestral countries. A lot had a grandparent or someone closer. People also tended to live in the same communities so it was easier to meet someone from the same background. I guess with Linda and Jason they might have moved in the same circles being in the entertainment industry. Jason Patric definitely didn't follow that pattern though. :)

[billErobreren]

A lot of the Irish input there was due to thralls so they wouldn't have had a great say in things but I've read that the Icelandic sagas owe a lot to the Irish tradition more than the Norse. One of my namesakes has a prominent role in the Icelandic sagas and one of his daughters has a prominent lineage in the Icelandics. I've often wondered if that is why I have some genetic connection to Icelandics. Even though they were enemies the Ui Neill had a lot of interaction with the Vikings. It was most likely on multiple fronts though due to intermarriage with Vikings and prominent clans. This is the lineage I'm specifically speaking of.


Aw yeah, That's a easy one to get a hold of. Egill's saga and Njall's saga are perhaps their most popular ones. However they don't do family names or surnames in Iceland, so one would have a bitch of a time weeding out Cerball's descendants. :lol: It's worth a go, though. If I were the descendant of a celebrated king, I'd want to know even if it came with no inheritance.
Their poetry has indeed a unique, whimsical flavor reminescent of some Welsh or Irish tales to a degree but their speech is sheer Old Norse, trust me, I tried even looking for Goidelic loanwords and there aren't any. They acknowledge their incursions there as highlights of their settlement period, the good ole days, after Harald Hardråde and Svend Estridsen died, things sort of quieted down in Scandinavia. That was the end of the Viking Age, add to that the reformation and you'd see what were to be known as Icelanders just stay up there, being pickled by their lonesome, getting the occasional - as well as - sporadic Danish or Norwegian settler. As expected, beyond those skaldic quirks, there's no more blantantly or suspiciously Irish influence, culturewise. Iceland's a simple place, everyone's only been glamourizing it for less than 25 years. As Bjork(she bugs me, personally) and other Icelanders would've acknowledged; the island didn't really have folk music aside from what they'd sing from their hymnals in church. They know of their heavy Irish ancestry(even in a movie, they have made, addressing this point in their history) but they know them and get to know them mostly as an Anglicised people these days, since Gaelic is so distant from Norse. It's one of the reasons Orkney and Shetland started swaping Norn for English/Scots before even bothering to look into Gaelic after Scotland took the northern isles from Margaret of Denmark's dowry.


What a lovely looking couple. It does seem a thing of the past but people then had more a connection to their ancestral countries. A lot had a grandparent or someone closer. People also tended to live in the same communities so it was easier to meet someone from the same background. I guess with Linda and Jason they might have moved in the same circles being in the entertainment industry. Jason Patric definitely didn't follow that pattern though. :)

Irish Catholics here were known for being pretty tribal. In showbiz back in the day, they looked out for each other just like Italians/Sicilians and Jews were known to, it's pretty diluted now sadly, not so much for the Jews. Though you still have everyday Irish American men today that feel obliged to marry an Irish Catholic woman to please their ma. :laugh:

I'm far from sheer Irish myself but I'd be lying if said my mother didn't want me to choose Irish, upon leaving the nest.

[Daco Celtic]

Ma didn't bless me with the brows.
Mine are thick-ISH; they were pretty fair and some brow hairs have gone rusty with age, so there'll be a hint of orange there. They're not spread like that. I just came out looking too much like a Kraut overall, I look pretty rugged but not Irish rugged.

My thick eyebrows are a pain in the ass. My Irish grandfather had the thickest eyebrows known to mankind and this was passed on to family members like me. I believe a small village of leprechauns may have inhabited his eyebrows at one point or another.

[Latinus]

Dinarid.
Would fit among Italian-Americans.
Also gives me a Dario Argento vibe.