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https://youtu.be/1z6Weg9e5nM
In pink shirt
You can classify other man too, he is also common face
He is from Herzegovina by origin.
Kutlu
06-25-2019, 08:27 PM
Dinarid
na prvo, to nije istina da ustačka zmija diže glavu... je trebao prije toga reagirati na četničku zmiju
(Yugoslavian affairs, nothing new here really)
na prvo, to nije istina da ustačka zmija diže glavu... je trebao prije toga reagirati na četničku zmiju
(Yugoslavian affairs, nothing new here really)
On je krajnje desni novinar
Kivan
06-25-2019, 08:32 PM
First one is Nordo-Cromagnid(if you look at the end of the video, his occiput don't seems to be flat like the textbook Dinarid). Second one is Norid + Alpine.
It is interesting his surname ends with č instead of ć
That implies his ancestors might have lived in Slovenia somewhere in past.
It is interesting his surname ends with č instead of ć
That implies his ancestors might have lived in Slovenia somewhere in past.
in Poland there is something about surnames ending
-ic - Polish (let say Radowic)
ič (ich) - east Slavic (Radowicz/Radovich)
ić - south Slavic (Radović)
and indeed Slovenia has a lot of R1a M558, I wonder if mr Č too :rolleyes:
Mans not hot
06-25-2019, 08:58 PM
Borreo-Dinarid influence.
I think he is not dinarid enough to be characterized as "stereotypical" . This guy looks pan Euro , he could pass in France and Britain easily.
I think he is not dinarid enough to be characterized as "stereotypical" . This guy looks pan Euro , he could pass in France and Britain easily.
Stereotypical Croat is not dinarid, we are not Albanians.
He is so typical I would recognize his ethnicity anywhere in Europe.
Borreo-Dinarid influence.
This. And this combo is maybe most typical for middle aged and older guys from Croatia.
Is other older guy Neo-Danubian/Alpinid ?
Stereotypical Croat is not dinarid, we are not Albanians.
He is so typical I would recognize his ethnicity anywhere in Europe.
I did not say that you are Albanians. By the way Albanians are diverse too.
I did not say that you are Albanians. By the way Albanians are diverse too.
Yes, but dinaric is not core type here in dinaric alps.
Dinarized Borreby is actually much more common.
We have saying dinaric alps people have large, sqare heads shaped like box. Does that sound dinarid to you ?
No! But also such people have flat occiput, which is dinaric.
I would say dinarised Cromagnon is trademark among older generations.
Yes, but dinaric is not core type here in dinaric alps.
Dinarized Borreby is actually much more common.
We have saying dinaric alps people have large, sqare heads shaped like box. Does that sound dinarid to you ?
No! But also such people have flat occiput, which is dinaric.
I would say dinarised Cromagnon is trademark among older generations.
How common are these types among Croats?
To me that's what I would call stereotypical.
Please note I am not saying they are representative, there is a difference.
https://balkaninsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/tomislav-karamarko-640-photo-betaphoto-hina-dario-grzelj-ev.jpg
https://narod.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/H20161027000417-e1479383786705.jpg
https://www.jutarnji.hr/incoming/zdravko-maric/6155501/alternates/LANDSCAPE_680/Zdravko%20Mari%C4%87
How common are these types among Croats?
To me that's what I would call stereotypical.
Please note I am not saying they are representative, there is a difference.
https://balkaninsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/tomislav-karamarko-640-photo-betaphoto-hina-dario-grzelj-ev.jpg
https://narod.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/H20161027000417-e1479383786705.jpg
https://www.jutarnji.hr/incoming/zdravko-maric/6155501/alternates/LANDSCAPE_680/Zdravko%20Mari%C4%87
They are all very typical, good examples.
Stereotypical Croat is not dinarid, we are not Albanians.
He is so typical I would recognize his ethnicity anywhere in Europe.
Which are two major dominant phenotypes in Croatia?
I guess first is Alpinid, second?
billErobreren
06-25-2019, 09:50 PM
Borreo-Dinarid influence.
^This, very symmetrical face.
They are all very typical, good examples.
Let me ask you what is the most widespread phenotype in Croatia? Isn't it dinarid? For some reason, I always thought so.
That's why I thought that these examples would be more "stereotypical".
Insuperable
06-25-2019, 09:58 PM
It is interesting his surname ends with č instead of ć
That implies his ancestors might have lived in Slovenia somewhere in past.
Apparently not.
http://mandino-selo.com/wp/duvanjska-prezimena-jurici/
Pribislav
06-25-2019, 10:25 PM
in Poland there is something about surnames ending
-ic - Polish (let say Radowic)
ič (ich) - east Slavic (Radowicz/Radovich)
ić - south Slavic (Radović)
and indeed Slovenia has a lot of R1a M558, I wonder if mr Č too :rolleyes:
Radović is common surname in Montenegro. Serbs with surname Radović outside of Montenegro originated from Montenegro.
Voskos
06-25-2019, 10:26 PM
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Pribislav
06-25-2019, 10:26 PM
Dinaric+CM
Which are two major dominant phenotypes in Croatia?
I guess first is Alpinid, second?
Before CM/dinaric, now Pontid/Gorid I think
Let me ask you what is the most widespread phenotype in Croatia? Isn't it dinarid? For some reason, I always thought so.
That's why I thought that these examples would be more "stereotypical".
First one looks strange, I can't say I see people looking like him often, but he isn't foreign.
In my opinion Croats have been wrongly classified as Dinarics by older anthropologists, and than Balkan Borreby with dinarisation was lot more common.
Also they completely disregarded extreme phenotype variety in Croatia. We have everything, from Scandinavian and Finnic to East Med and Berid looking people, and such extremes can be seen daily on our streets.
Northern parts don't look same as southern, etc.
Younger generation looks very different than older, flat head shape went practically extinct, downturned noses are not common at all, etc.
Here are photos of younger generations from Dalmatia, suposedly hard core dinaric land, and I don't see dinaric type as most common among them
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292741-Young-athletes-from-Dalmatia-photo-thread
First one looks strange, I can't say I see people looking like him often, but he isn't foreign.
In my opinion Croats have been wrongly classified as Dinarics by older anthropologists, and than Balkan Borreby with dinarisation was lot more common.
Also they completely disregarded extreme phenotype variety in Croatia. We have everything, from Scandinavian and Finnic to East Med and Berid looking people, and such extremes can be seen daily on our streets.
Northern parts don't look same as southern, etc.
Younger generation looks very different than older, flat head shape went practically extinct, downturned noses are not common at all, etc.
Here are photos of younger generations from Dalmatia, suposedly hard core dinaric land, and I don't see dinaric type as most common among them
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292741-Young-athletes-from-Dalmatia-photo-thread
Interesting that in Croatia the younger generation looks different than the older. Where do you attribute this? nourishment? Natural causes?
In Greece older and younger generations don't look that different in terms of phenotypes.
The only big difference is height/stature, young people are significantly taller than their elders.
Interesting that in Croatia the younger generation looks different than the older. Where do you attribute this? nourishment? Natural causes?
In Greece older and younger generations don't look that different in terms of phenotypes.
The only big difference is height/stature, young people are significantly taller than their elders.
I think older generations had very restrictive cradling practice that fixed baby head to be unmovable because they believed it was good for them. I read same practice was in Albania. Result: flat back of head
But lifestyle play a part too. People abandon villages and live in cities, old Croatia was very rural centered land.
In cites people developed much softer features, they are fatter, they lost sharpness that was caused by harsh work in fields combines with huge insolation in south for example.
Here is link to recent study that proved debrachycephalisation of Croatian youth:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103654-Secular-Change-of-Cephalic-Index-of-Croatian-Medical-Students
Same trend is observed in Serbia:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?283404-Secular-changes-in-cephalic_index-a-study-of-Serbian-population
My father for example has head shape like somebody cut off back of his head, while I have very dolicocephalic skull.
CM + Dinarid. CM element in this case seems to be Borreby.
As for the disappearing phenotype, perhaps aging exaggerates Dinarid traits i.e. the nose drops a little and weight gain results in a thicker, fatter neck (making the back of the head look more plano occipital)? Perhaps current trends in haircut/styling is creating a false occiput? Just some ideas...
CM + Dinarid. CM element in this case seems to be Borreby.
As for the disappearing phenotype, perhaps aging exaggerates Dinarid traits i.e. the nose drops a little and weight gain results in a thicker, fatter neck (making the back of the head look more plano occipital)? Perhaps current trends in haircut/styling is creating a false occiput? Just some ideas...
Can be, good thinking!
I noticed photos of my dad when he way young, his head was not extremely flat as now - it was not doli or close to that, but not extremely flat either. More like meso-brachy range, with visible but small occiput.
Now it is totally flat, like this (even flatter) !
https://m.vecernji.hr/media/img/5f/e8/cf8926459f601a56d438.jpeg
And I think it is because my dad gained some weight, including the neck.
This guy probably didn't have such extreme headshape before becoming fat (he was much leaner before) , either.
It is also true what you said for nose becoming downturned with age, or ears getting bigger.
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