Lithuania loves Poland

[Satem]

Some people may think that we don't really like each other because of Wilno case. Actually many Lithuanians likes to go shopping to Poland, especially to city of Suwałki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOKUqZjSOk4

Lithuanian goverment also plans to build education and cultural center in Suwałki.


Such a center would house a Lithuanian kindergarten and a primary school if there were enough children.

https://www.baltictimes.com/lithuania_plans_to_build_education__cultural_cente r_in_poland_s_suwalki_on_its_own/

[Satem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=802dQAIg0Ws

Even Lithuanians admit it

[Ülev]

https://fakty.interia.pl/swiat/news-rzeczpospolita-rosja-pcha-litwe-w-objecia-polski,nId,3065924

[Viridian1]

They now are burning with love for Poland after they are worrying about Russia ….

[16coresCasual]

Some people may think that we don't really like each other because of Wilno case. Actually many Lithuanians likes to go shopping to Poland, especially to city of Suwałki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOKUqZjSOk4

Lithuanian goverment also plans to build education and cultural center in Suwałki.



https://www.baltictimes.com/lithuania_plans_to_build_education__cultural_cente r_in_poland_s_suwalki_on_its_own/

When I was in UK working temporarily for 1 year to save up some money I met some people from Poland. Some older people and some students of my age. Never had a problem and there was no hatred or something like that.We would even sometimes discuss politics and economy haha. Actually had a good friend there, his name was Grzegorz and we used to joke about one Romanian girl all the time because she had huge boobs and all other workers would "eyefuck" her lmao. He even brought me some souvenirs from Poland (he was on vacation and went home to Poland, then got back to work) . So yeah, I never really understood the reason behind this Polish-Lithuanian conflict, because I live in the western part of Lithuania. But I do know that some Russians and Poles don't let their children speak (or learn to speak) lithuanian language. And that can create some problems in the future because of miscommunication. Or some Poles want street names to be in their language. But that's about it. Sure football hooligans will be more aggressive and militant from both sides but a simple citizen won't care about those things. There's some hate for Portuguese though, I don't really know why. Supposedly students from Portugal act in a rude way, especially when drunk and disrespect the country. Oh by the way you have the best fireworks in europe in my opinion lol. I'm a bit into pyrotechnics so I order stuff from Poland since it's cheaper and more powerful. As far as Russia threat goes, I think that civil war in western europe will breakout before Russia attacks us (because of social and ethnic conflicts and possible isis attacks).We're at a point where even if someone dares to criticize european union they're called a "russian spy" lol. Russia has its problems too. There are lots of conflicts between people from north caucausus and russian slavs. Central asia is involved too. Especially in the army. You can find some info here, http://pn14.info/?cat=81 found this website a while back, they post about the real situation in Russia and crimes that are silently pushed under the rug. I don't know russian that well so translating the page to english kinda works. There's lots of racial and ethnic conflicts there

[billErobreren]

Well, they border Russia compared to them, Poland looks dreamy. As she looks to yours truly, I don't border either and I'm head over heels for Poland. Thanks to them and the Hungarians, middle America got great dishes.

[Satem]

When I was in UK working temporarily for 1 year to save up some money I met some people from Poland. Some older people and some students of my age. Never had a problem and there was no hatred or something like that.We would even sometimes discuss politics and economy haha. Actually had a good friend there, his name was Grzegorz and we used to joke about one Romanian girl all the time because she had huge boobs and all other workers would "eyefuck" her lmao. He even brought me some souvenirs from Poland (he was on vacation and went home to Poland, then got back to work) . So yeah, I never really understood the reason behind this Polish-Lithuanian conflict, because I live in the western part of Lithuania. But I do know that some Russians and Poles don't let their children speak (or learn to speak) lithuanian language. And that can create some problems in the future because of miscommunication. Or some Poles want street names to be in their language. But that's about it. Sure football hooligans will be more aggressive and militant from both sides but a simple citizen won't care about those things. There's some hate for Portuguese though, I don't really know why. Supposedly students from Portugal act in a rude way, especially when drunk and disrespect the country. Oh by the way you have the best fireworks in europe in my opinion lol. I'm a bit into pyrotechnics so I order stuff from Poland since it's cheaper and more powerful. As far as Russia threat goes, I think that civil war in western europe will breakout before Russia attacks us (because of social and ethnic conflicts and possible isis attacks).We're at a point where even if someone dares to criticize european union they're called a "russian spy" lol. Russia has its problems too. There are lots of conflicts between people from north caucausus and russian slavs. Central asia is involved too. Especially in the army. You can find some info here, http://pn14.info/?cat=81 found this website a while back, they post about the real situation in Russia and crimes that are silently pushed under the rug. I don't know russian that well so translating the page to english kinda works. There's lots of racial and ethnic conflicts there

Nice to have an opinion from Lithuanian person. I agree that Poles and Russians living in Lithuania should assimilate. Would you say there's worse opinion on Poles in eastern part of Lithuania?

[16coresCasual]

Nice to have an opinion from Lithuanian person. I agree that Poles and Russians living in Lithuania should assimilate. Would you say there's worse opinion on Poles in eastern part of Lithuania?

I guess, because there's more of them living there and some of them tend to segregate themselves. I kind of understand them, they want to keep their identity and they don't want to leave because generations of them lived there. I'm sure there can be a compromise. But in my opinion most of that hate comes from low IQ youths, hooligans etc. And a lot of times it's a self feeding cycle where one side says something generally disrespectful about the other and new people from both sides join in, because those insults are not personal, they're aimed at ethnicity. But there's not a lot of that going on, at least I haven't heard of anything in the news. A little off topic - there was an Ecuadorian guy who moved to live in Lithuania. On March 11th we have a day of restoration of independence. And we have nationalists and patriots marching. So this guy decided to shout "Lithuania is for Everyone", he also tried to provoke them by saying "Lithuania is for Gays too" and allegedly tried to insult them too calling them morons. You can see it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScHti_qV9pY (of course he didn't record himself shouting insults) . So after some time, 2 guys caught this Fabian Sanchez near a bus stop I think and beat him up. One of the guys is ethnically Polish but his surname has a Lithuanian-sounding ending. And he said that he felt that Fabian disrespected his motherland. A lot of journalists were shocked - how can a Pole defend Lithuania ahaha. They still think that we "should be in a conflict". But that's not the case. I guess this just proves that we can unite. Here's the article https://www.lrt.lt/naujienos/lietuvoje/2/1000191/atomazga-ekvadoriecio-uzpuolimo-byloje-nuteisti-du-vilnieciai

[Peterski]

I agree that Poles (...) living in Lithuania should assimilate.

That would be terrible, it would be a loss of 500 years old ethnic heritage.

[Matty74]

Poles and Lithuanians have a long shared history and often times were under the same flag.

[Ülev]

we can start by reading Lithuanian media:
https://www.lrytas.lt/
https://www.delfi.lt/

[16coresCasual]

we can start by reading Lithuanian media:
https://www.lrytas.lt/
https://www.delfi.lt/

Lithuanian media is a clickbait-ridden cancer for the most part haha

[Matty74]

The media in general, is a clickbait-ridden cancer for the most part haha

Fixed it for ya

[Satem]

Lithuanian media is a clickbait-ridden cancer for the most part haha

Are there some sites you would recommend?

[Peterski]

Lithuanian media

Like Mickiewicz?: http://leonardkress.com/Pan%20Tadeusz.pdf - page 89/277

[16coresCasual]

Are there some sites you would recommend?

Not really, I don't follow our media outlets that much, since a lot of information is filtered and politically correct. I mean you could still find some news about Polish community and others in those websites that Malcolm posted (there's also 15min.lt and alfa.lt that are a bit more well known) But in general they're very pro-globalist and left wing.

[Peterski]

Poles and Lithuanians have a long shared history and often times were under the same flag.

Modern Lithuania, as a state, is based on erasing our common history from their collective memory and going back to Mindaugas and 1200s.

Check what American experts recommended about Poland-Lithuania in 1918 - but Lithuanian nationalists did not want to listen to them:

https://archive.org/stream/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/Miller--MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4#page/n239/mode/2up

"It is recommended that a union of Poland and Lithuania be effected" and "The suggested union is universally desired by the Poles":

https://i.imgur.com/1YArZr9.png

https://i.imgur.com/XelbDSF.png

[16coresCasual]

89183 to be fair I should consifer myself a "Kuršis" since that's the tribe. :D Lietuviai (Lithuanians) were a bit further to the right. Can't really tell now, but we do have one pagan-linked group that focuses a lot on Curonians (Kuršiai). Their history, armor, weapons etc.

[Ülev]

Are there some sites you would recommend?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHK88Fk0UplQv4N8gjtnMXw




Sveiki visi! Mano vardas Justė . Turiu dvi aistras stiliui ir grožiui. Kiekviena diena man kaip mados podiumas, nes labai patinka kas rytą galvoti ka apsirengti, kaip pasidažyti ir kaip susitvarkyti plaukus. Esu baigusi grožio mokyklą bei mados kursus, tad manau turiu šiek tiek patirties su jumis pasidalinti :) Mano kanale niekada nebus nuobodu - visada išmoksite ir sužinosite kas vyksta naujo mados ir grožio pasaulyje, bei išmoksite daug naujų dalykų ir tikiuosi, kad visada gausite gerų idėjų kaip gi apsirengti ar pasidažyti šiandien:)

:cool: I watch her channel sometimes :rolleyes:

[Peterski]

American experts recommended the restoration of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1918, after World War I.

[16coresCasual]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHK88Fk0UplQv4N8gjtnMXw



:cool: I watch her channel sometimes :rolleyes:

first time seeing her :D

[16coresCasual]

American experts recommended the restoration of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1918, after World War I.

I noticed some comments on youtube where an increasing amount of Poles and Lithuanians would like to restore Commonwealth.

[Satem]

89183 to be fair I should consifer myself a "Kuršis" since that's the tribe. :D Lietuviai (Lithuanians) were a bit further to the right. Can't really tell now, but we do have one pagan-linked group that focuses a lot on Curonians (Kuršiai). Their history, armor, weapons etc.

Unfortunatelly, there's no such a group. Are you from Klaipeda?

[Peterski]

Or some Poles want street names to be in their language.

What is weird about that? Poland has bilingual street names in areas with minorities (including Punsk):

http://rcin.org.pl/igipz/Content/42381/WA51_60143_r2014-t87-no1_G-Polonica-Barwinski.pdf

Is this normal?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JiS-6kFG4

[Satem]

Is this normal?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JiS-6kFG4

Of course not. These kind of incidents happen quite rare

[16coresCasual]

Unfortunatelly, there's no such a group. Are you from Klaipeda?

Close. A little more to the north. It's a resort town

[16coresCasual]

What is weird about that? Poland has bilingual street names in areas with minorities (including Punsk):

http://rcin.org.pl/igipz/Content/42381/WA51_60143_r2014-t87-no1_G-Polonica-Barwinski.pdf

Is this normal?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JiS-6kFG4
I didn't say that something was weird about it. I'm saying that because of that people might hold some anti-Polish views. Since there's also Russians, some Georgians, Armenians and other ethnicities, I guess people think that they will demand street names in their languages too. I don't endorse what happened to that 16 year old boy. There was also a conflict between 2 Ukrainian workers and 2 Lithuanians at night a few days ago. They were drunk and got into a fight. One Lithuanian was injured with a knife. So yes, ethnic conflicts do happen, we are not perfect. In certain neighbourhoods there are lower income families with more aggressive people. We also have one of the highest suicide rates. What else is new? All I'm saying is that I never really encountered anything anti-Polish in my region and that Polish-Lithuanian relationship in general is moving towards a positive direction

[Matty74]

I wonder what would have happened if Gdansk/Danzig had remained German after WW1 and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was created with access to the Baltic Sea north of Klaipeda or Klaipeda itself?

[Peterski]

I wonder what would have happened if Gdansk/Danzig had remained German after WW1 and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was created with access to the Baltic Sea north of Klaipeda or Klaipeda itself?

Doesn't make sense. Gdansk was Polish until 1793, when Prussia took it from Poland by force.

Klaipeda (German: Memel) was historically part of East Prussia and also a German-majority city (while surrounding rural areas were mostly Lithuanian just like the so called Polish Corridor west of Gdansk was mostly Polish).

East Prussia had areas with Lithuanian population in the east (Memelland, Klein Litauen) and with Polish population in the south (Southern Warmia, Masuria). It only made sense to incorporate entire East Prussia and Danzig into the restored Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Perhaps with some sort of local autonomy in German-speaking areas.

Sudetenland with ca. 3.5 million Germans was also incorporated into Czechoslovakia.

[Matty74]

Danzig (the city) was mostly German speaking at the time and I think in the Memelland, many settlers from Lithuania migrated to East Prussia after being largely depopulated by the Great Plagues. I believe the Salzburgers came about that time or later on as well. I would imagine much of West Prussia to be Kashubian with German minorities and majorities depending on the city or village.

As you probably already knew, plenty of ethnic Germans fought against the Teutonic Order and aligned with Poland in those medieval times. Regardless of ethnicity, people tend to look out for themselves and seek advantageous political and economic alliances, especially back then.

My oldest child has a mother of Kashub origin btw ha

[Peterski]

I would imagine much of West Prussia to be Kashubian with German minorities and majorities depending on the city or village.

Kashubians in West Prussia were a population with firmly Polish national identity, Roman Catholic religion, and they were strongly Anti-German.

Counties of West Prussia such as Puck (Putzig), Wejherowo (Weyersfrey), Kartuzy (Karthaus) and eastern part of Człuchów (Schlochau) had Kashubian majority. Kościerzyna (Berent) and Chojnice (Konitz) had mixed Kashubian-Polish majority. Counties such as Starogard (Stargard), Tczew (Dirschau), Tuchola (Tuchel), Świecie (Schwetz), western part of Kwidzyn (Marienwerder), eastern part of Złotów (Flatow), Chełmno (Kulm), Toruń (Thorn), Wąbrzeźno (Briesen), Lubawa (Löbau) and Brodnica (Strasburg) had Greater Polish (Greater Poles are a subdivision of Poles) majority. Danzig Highlands county had strong Kashubian and Greater Polish minority.

Wałcz (Krone), Człuchów (Schlochau) and counties east of the Vistula (Elbląg/Elbing, Malbork/Marienburg, Susz/Rosenberg) had German majority.

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Generally the division of West Prussia between Poland and Germany after 1918 corresponded pretty well to ethnic structure of the region:

Yellow = to Poland after WW1
Green = to Free City Danzig
Red = to East Prussia
Blue = to Germany

Orange was part of Prov. Posen

https://i2.wp.com/mypomerania.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Province-of-West-Prussia-until-1920.jpg

German population censuses themselves (as well as the results of Reichstag elections) indicated that the Corridor had Polish majority:

https://i.imgur.com/QqVWdfH.png

[Matty74]

Yea, the corridor definitely had a polish speaking majority. Mostly German to the east from Dirschau eastwards Posen was even more Polish save the occasional German settlement.

[Peterski]

Here you have all the Prussian census data, by county in tables (Tabela = Table):

"Kashubians in the light of Prussian census data 1827-1911" by L. Belzyt:

http://bazhum.muzhp.pl/media//files/Acta_Cassubiana/Acta_Cassubiana-r2017-t19/Acta_Cassubiana-r2017-t19-s194-235/Acta_Cassubiana-r2017-t19-s194-235.pdf

^^^
Figures on Kashubians/Poles, Bilinguals (Polish-German) and Germans during the whole century:

Tabela 7 - Wejherowo county, general population censuses
Tabela 8 - Wejherowo county, school children censuses
Tabela 9 - Puck/Putzig county, general population
Tabela 10 - Puck/Putzig county, school children
Tabela 11 - Kartuzy/Karthaus county, general population
Tabela 12 - Kartuzy/Karthaus county, school children
Tabela 13 and 14 - Kościerzyna/Berent county
Tabela 15 and 16 - Danzig Highlands county
Tabela 19 and 20 - Chojnice/Konitz county
Tabela 21 and 22 - Człuchów/Schlochau county

Tabela 23 and 24 - all counties together, estimates based on all the data

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And statistics for the period before 1827 (1810s-1820s) can be found in my thread here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271066-Kingdom-of-Prussia-ethnic-and-religious-structure-in-the-1800s

West Prussia, Georg Hassel: https://books.google.pl/books?id=31DMAJgQV28C&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/5hcNzeO.png

West Prussia, Karl Andree:

https://i.imgur.com/zebF1QP.png

West Prussia, Britannica:

https://i.imgur.com/JLop3l9.png

[Rethel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB8KMFWZxM

[Komintasavalta]

https://hetalia.fandom.com/wiki/Poland/Lithuania:


Poland/Lithuania is an extremely common pairing involving the characters Poland and Lithuania. It is also known as PolLiet or LietPol. [...]

It is thought by fans that Poland does care for Lithuania, yet is simply too stubborn to show it, preferring that Lithuania adjust to his rules rather than let him do as he wanted. In more recent strips, Poland is far less selfish than he used to be. His apparent nonchalant attitude about Lithuania being taken from him has also been interpreted as him trying to laugh off the unfortunate situation (and his own impending first partition).

The dream sequence in Chapter 5 has been interpreted as being about Poland's true feelings for Lithuania, although it could also be that Lithuania simply believes deep down that Poland actually cares for him that way (even with his frustration towards how he was treated).

Lithuania's scars are another subject of debate among fans, with most believing that Russia inflicted them himself when he bullied Lithuania. Poland's discovery of the scars tends to be seen as the moment that he "matured" in their relationship, after the two were reunited.

Other fans believe that their relationship is a lot more strained beneath the surface than it would seem, due to the Vilnius conflict.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hetalia/images/3/32/Lietpol.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20190906013751
Poland (left) and Lithuania (right).

[Rethel]

https://hetalia.fandom.com/wiki/Poland/Lithuania:


Poland/Lithuania is an extremely common pairing involving the characters Poland and Lithuania. It is also known as PolLiet or LietPol.

:confused:

[Tannhauser]

Would it be appropriate for when I do the thread of the Poles in Argentina including the Lithuanians as well?