My West Asian Connection

[karakartal]

Hello there. I want to share my father's results for you and ask my West Asia connection. I want to know which West Asian populations and regions am i close?

*Also my father's y-dna haplogroup is J2a2

First off; MyHeritage.
Europe 65.8:
-Balkan 49,5
-East Europe 3,8
-South Europe 9,8
-Scandinavia 1,6
-Finnish 1,1
&
-West Asia:30,6
-Middle East:3,6

Dna.Land results;
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Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 9.36
2 Bulgarian 9.58
3 Romanian 12.05
4 Central_Greek 13.25
5 East_Sicilian 14.66
6 Italian_Abruzzo 15.39
7 Ashkenazi 15.54
8 Serbian 16
9 West_Sicilian 17.07
10 South_Italian 17.5
11 Tuscan 18.71
12 Moldavian 19.1
13 North_Italian 21.92
14 Turkish 22.06
15 Algerian_Jewish 22.25
16 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
17 Croatian 22.65
18 Italian_Jewish 22.76
19 Hungarian 23.54
20 Cyprian 24.86

Eurogenes K15
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.92
2 Baltic 15.74
3 North_Sea 14.85
4 West_Asian 14.01
5 West_Med 13.03
6 Eastern_Euro 7.82
7 Atlantic 3.86
8 South_Asian 3.08
9 Siberian 1.79
10 Red_Sea 1.76
11 Southeast_Asian 1.38
12 Amerindian 0.76

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 9.73
2 Bulgarian 12.18
3 Greek 12.97
4 Romanian 13.06
5 Ashkenazi 13.51
6 Central_Greek 14.41
7 East_Sicilian 15.6
8 Serbian 16.26
9 Italian_Abruzzo 16.45
10 South_Italian 17.59
11 Moldavian 17.87
12 Tuscan 18.63
13 West_Sicilian 18.68
14 Italian_Jewish 20.96
15 Hungarian 21.2
16 Croatian 21.27
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.06
18 Turkish 22.09
19 North_Italian 22.21
20 Algerian_Jewish

MDLP K23b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.87
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.26
3 European_Early_Farmers 13.15
4 Near_East 7.26
5 South_Central_Asian 6.03
6 South_Indian 3.22
7 North_African 2.44
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.43
9 Amerindian 2.01
10 Melano_Polynesian 1.04
11 Austronesian 1
12 East_African 0.94
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.77
14 East_Siberian 0.57

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 6.34
2 Romanian ( ) 7.05
3 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 7.68
4 Gagauz ( ) 8.18
5 Turk_Aydin ( ) 8.27
6 Macedonian ( ) 8.38
7 Bulgarian ( ) 8.67
8 Croat_BH ( ) 9.34
9 Bosnian ( ) 9.67
10 Montenegrian ( ) 10.01
11 Serb_BH ( ) 10.04
12 Croat ( ) 10.29
13 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 11.3
14 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 11.34
15 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 11.54
16 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 11.64
17 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 11.75
18 Romanian_Jew ( ) 12
19 Serb_Serbia ( ) 12.18
20 Cretan ( ) 12.44

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.56
2 North_European 27.24
3 Atlantic_Med 21.58
4 Southwest_Asian 8.02
5 Gedrosia 7.72
6 Siberian 2.23
7 Northwest_African 1.38
8 Southeast_Asian 1.34
9 South_Asian 1.29
10 East_Asian 0.63



# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.95
2 Romanians (Behar) 10.16
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.34
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.72
5 Greek (Dodecad) 12.94
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.33
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.69
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.76
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.06
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.26
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.49
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.66
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.72
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.59
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.64
16 Hungarians (Behar) 23.72
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.79
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.27
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 25.42
20 Turks (Behar) 26.49

Dodecad K7b
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 44.21
2 West_Asian 25.27
3 Southern 24.56
4 Siberian 2.74
5 East_Asian 1.69
6 South_Asian 1.53

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.15
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.25
3 Tuscan (HGDP) 9.72
4 Greek (Dodecad) 10.12
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.22
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.9
7 Romanians (Behar) 10.97
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.58
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.42
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.92
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.39
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.09
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.35
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 21.92
16 Murcia (1000Genomes) 22.63
17 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 22.83
18 Canarias (1000Genomes) 22.96
19 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 22.97
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 23.17

puntDNAL K12 Modern
# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 33.02
2 Caucasus_HG 28.32
3 European_HG 23.32
4 Near_East 7.6
5 Amerindian 2.99
6 Beringian 1.57
7 Sub-Saharan 1.14
8 East_Asian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.83
10 South_Asian 0.3

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.19
2 Greek 8.58
3 Albanian 8.83
4 Tuscan 11.14
5 Ashkenazi_Jew 11.81
6 Turkish_Aydin 12.2
7 Sicilian_West 13.39
8 Sicilian_East 13.44
9 Croatian 14.32
10 Romanian 15.45
11 Italian_Bergamo 17.85
12 Turkish 17.97
13 Dutch_South 18.69
14 Belgian 18.93
15 Hungarian 19.57
16 Nogai 19.69
17 French 19.84
18 German_South 20.21
19 Utahn_European 20.58
20 Moroccan_Jew 20.64

And Eurogenes K36 similarity map;
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[Kaspias]

Your father don't have any connection with West Asia.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Your father don't have any connection with West Asia.

I thought all Balkan Turks had connections with West Asia?

[Kaspias]

I thought all Balkan Turks had connections with West Asia?

It is known that the Turks have migrated to Balkans after they settled in Anatolia. But current genetic data opposes that. At least, they seem hadn't mixed with Anatolians. Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture in general. Their slightly high West Asian comes from their Turkmen admixture.

[karakartal]

Your father don't have any connection with West Asia.

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

this is just a simple calculator (k13)
my west asian percentage high with other balkan people and balkan turks.

[lonewolfcypriot]

It is known that the Turks have migrated to Balkans after they settled in Anatolia. But current genetic data opposes that. At least, they seem hadn't mixed with Anatolians. Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture in general. Their slightly high West Asian comes from their Turkmen admixture.

So basically Turks from Anatolia arrived in the Balkans before they started mixing with the native Anatolians, so they arrived in the Balkans unmixed. Is that what your trying to say?

[Kyp]

It is known that the Turks have migrated to Balkans after they settled in Anatolia. But current genetic data opposes that. At least, they seem hadn't mixed with Anatolians. Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture in general. Their slightly high West Asian comes from their Turkmen admixture.

aren't Turkmens heavy West Asian aswell?

[Kyp]

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

this is just a simple calculator (k13)
my west asian percentage high with other balkan people and balkan turks.

don't think Red Sea component can be considered West Asian

[karakartal]

don't think Red Sea component can be considered West Asian

is it middle eastern? do you have a eurogenes k36 similarity map?

[Kyp]

Yes I think it's southern middle-east/east african
My father Azeri-Iranian ->West Asian
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 35.27
2 East_Med 28.90
3 South_Asian 10.62
4 West_Med 7.19
5 Baltic 7.00
6 Siberian 3.35
7 North_Atlantic 2.80
8 Red_Sea 1.96 that is not very high, probably even low for european standards
9 East_Asian 1.49
10 Northeast_African 1.15

[Rgvgjhvv]

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

this is just a simple calculator (k13)
my west asian percentage high with other balkan people and balkan turks.

Many Southern Europeans have more or equal to the bolded categories (excluding South Asian), so I'm not sure this necessarily points to a direct West Asian connection.

[Kaspias]

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

this is just a simple calculator (k13)
my west asian percentage high with other balkan people and balkan turks.

No


So basically Turks from Anatolia arrived in the Balkans before they started mixing with the native Anatolians, so they arrived in the Balkans unmixed. Is that what your trying to say?

Yes


aren't Turkmens heavy West Asian aswell?

Yes

[karakartal]

No



Yes



Yes
All calculators modelled me "balkan country sample+anatolian turk" but your results modelled is "balkan country sple+nogay/turkmen". i tell the difference netween our results.

[Thracian]

All calculators modelled me "balkan country sample+anatolian turk" but your results modelled is "balkan country sple+nogay/turkmen". i tell the difference netween our results.

You have just negligible Anatolian ancestry, according to Global 25 nMonte runner. Kaspias and I have none. I was thinking compare our results with Anatolian Turks.

[Thracian]

All calculators modelled me "balkan country sample+anatolian turk" but your results modelled is "balkan country sple+nogay/turkmen". i tell the difference netween our results.

You have just negligible Anatolian ancestry, according to Global 25 nMonte runner. Kaspias and I have none. I was thinking compare our results with Anatolian Turks.

[gıulıoımpa]

don't wanna spoil anything but as an example i barely have less west asian than you. (mine is at 12,66) so i don't think it would be something indicative.

[Kaspias]

You have just negligible Anatolian ancestry, according to Global 25 nMonte runner. Kaspias and I have none. I was thinking compare our results with Anatolian Turks.

Karakartal's himself have a little, his father probably don't have since we have almost same West Asian and East Med score on Gedmatch.

[karakartal]

Karakartal's himself have a little, his father probably don't have since we have almost same West Asian and East Med score on Gedmatch.

Why the commercial test give my father %30 West Asian? Also i add my father's results many pca, he have a caucasian shift. (look him k36 similarity map)

[Kaspias]

Why the commercial test give my father %30 West Asian? Also i add my father's results many pca, he have a caucasian shift. (look him k36 similarity map)

There is no Caucasian shift in K36 map?

So also i'm 44% West Asian?

https://i.ibb.co/HNs0Q7s/Ads-z.png

[karakartal]

There is no Caucasian shift in K36 map?

So also i'm 44% West Asian?

https://i.ibb.co/HNs0Q7s/Ads-z.png

my father's anatolia and caucasia percentage almost same the k36 similarity map. also i try ph2ter's pca models and he say your father have a caucasian shift.

[Kaspias]

my father's anatolia and caucasia percentage almost same the k36 similarity map. also i try ph2ter's pca models and he say your father have a caucasian shift.

What about Turkmen admixture?

[karakartal]

What about Turkmen admixture?

i try turkish dna project dodecad k12b close populations, they modelled me bulgarian/gagauz+turkish anatolian.

i don't know maybe i have a turkmen ancestry. but all gedmatch oracles modelled me balkan+turkish anatolian

[Kaspias]

i try turkish dna project dodecad k12b close populations, they modelled me bulgarian/gagauz+turkish anatolian.

i don't know maybe i have a turkmen ancestry. but all gedmatch oracles modelled me balkan+turkish anatolian

Okay you're Balkan+Anatolian

[karakartal]

Okay you're Balkan+Anatolian

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[FinalFlash]

There isn't anything out of the ordinary from your results. Greeks and Italians score around the same as the components you've highlighted on K13. Various Balkan ethnic groups score a decent amount of East Med and West Asian as well.

[Voskos]

Caspian Sea and Caucasus.

[karakartal]

Caspian Sea and Caucasus.

where did you make this inference?

[karakartal]

There isn't anything out of the ordinary from your results. Greeks and Italians score around the same as the components you've highlighted on K13. Various Balkan ethnic groups score a decent amount of East Med and West Asian as well.

i don't have a belonging any nation and region. my results is so mixed and i want to learn and find my admixture. what do you think?

[FinalFlash]

i don't have a belonging any nation and region. my results is so mixed and i want to learn and find my admixture. what do you think?

You seem like you are genetically Southern Euro/Balkan like yet you identify as a Turk. Something like a Pomak maybe?

[Voskos]

Your K36 similarity map.

[karakartal]

You seem like you are genetically Southern Euro/Balkan like yet you identify as a Turk. Something like a Pomak maybe?

my family.mixin with balkan/southern euro peoples. my baltic is high i think i have a connection between slavic people in balkans.

[karakartal]

Your K36 similarity map.

yes i see too. also i see ph2ter's pca map i have a caucasian shift.