Modern Germans are still Germanic

[Mortimer]

In Germany leftists have a narrative that a "biological german" doesnt exist and that everyone is mixed.

Select Modern Group: German_Central

1. East_German (6.918)
2. North_Swedish (8.039)
3. Swedish (8.823)
4. Norwegian (9.883)
5. North_German (9.991)
6. Southwest_Finnish (10.09)
7. West_German (10.36)
8. Hungarian (10.68)

Scheint so als wären die modernen Deutschen doch Vikinger und Franken (Germanischer Stamm), Longobarde ist auch ein Germannischer Stamm.

1. *Viking (5.162)
2. *Frank (5.162)
3. Viking + Frank (5.162)
4. Viking + Longobard (6.903)
5. Longobard (8.31)
6. Viking (10.33)
7. Frank (10.35)

[Adamastor]

Leftists use this 'everyone' is mixed narrative everywhere. Even if we could concede that all ethnic groups in the world are actually 'mixed', 'mixing' doesn't have the same effects everywhere and biological mix is different from cultural mix.

Just to give an example: a Mexican mestizo who descends from other Mestizos who have a fixed identity for 300 + years will have a totally different cultural racial identity when compared to someone who would be, let's say, half-German and half-Amerindian.

Also, even if ethnic Germans are ''mixed'' between different groups this was a mixing that happened thousands of years ago and formed a new stabilized people through it.

[Coastal Elite]

In Germany leftists have a narrative that a "biological german" doesnt exist and that everyone is mixed.

Select Modern Group: German_Central

1. East_German (6.918)
2. North_Swedish (8.039)
3. Swedish (8.823)
4. Norwegian (9.883)
5. North_German (9.991)
6. Southwest_Finnish (10.09)
7. West_German (10.36)
8. Hungarian (10.68)

Scheint so als wären die modernen Deutschen doch Vikinger und Franken (Germanischer Stamm), Longobarde ist auch ein Germannischer Stamm.

1. *Viking (5.162)
2. *Frank (5.162)
3. Viking + Frank (5.162)
4. Viking + Longobard (6.903)
5. Longobard (8.31)
6. Viking (10.33)
7. Frank (10.35)

Are those results from MyTrueAncestry.com?

[Mortimer]

Are those results from MyTrueAncestry.com?

Yes

[dududud]

Yeah.

[Leto]

Leftists use this 'everyone' is mixed narrative everywhere. Even if we could concede that all ethnic groups in the world are actually 'mixed', 'mixing' doesn't have the same effects everywhere and biological mix is different from cultural mix.

Just to give an example: a Mexican mestizo who descends from other Mestizos who have a fixed identity for 300 + years will have a totally different cultural racial identity when compared to someone who would be, let's say, half-German and half-Amerindian.

Also, even if ethnic Germans are ''mixed'' between different groups this was a mixing that happened thousands of years ago and formed a new stabilized people through it.
Absolutely. Being 'mixed' doesn't mean not being distinct. Mexicans are mixed but they have a specific mixture which I for example don't share with them, so I can't go there and claim I'm just like them.
Germans are Germanic, Celtic and Slavic but their Germanic part must be the biggest, I believe. Don't believe fucking Peterski, he's obsessed with proving that Germans are supposedly not Germanic but predominantly Slavic. If they're just as Slavic as you, then why do you dislike them? :rolleyes:

[Roy]

Absolutely. Being 'mixed' doesn't mean not being distinct. Mexicans are mixed but they have a specific mixture which I for example don't share with them, so I can't go there and claim I'm just like them.
Germans are Germanic, Celtic and Slavic but their Germanic part must be the biggest, I believe. Don't believe fucking Peterski, he's obsessed with proving that Germans are supposedly not Germanic but predominantly Slavic. If they're just as Slavic as you, then why do you dislike them? :rolleyes:

So if someone is Slavic then such a person cannot dislike some other Slavs? :confused:

[Dick]

Yes

Then according to that website Serbs are closest to Gauls

1. *Gaul (10.98)
2. Scythian + Gaul (8.41)
3. Scythian + Frank (10.0)
4. Gaul (10.98)
5. Scythian (13.29)
6. Frank (14.56)

[Matxe92]

Either you cheated with the numbers or this trueancestry site is a complete joke. Probably a bit of both.

[Dick]

Either you cheated with the numbers or this trueancestry site is a complete joke. Probably a bit of both.

Are you talkin to me?

[Matxe92]

Are you talkin to me?

No im not, its aimed at OP. If ur not quoted then it's not a message directed at you :)

[Dick]

No im not, its aimed at OP. If ur not quoted then it's not a message directed at you :)

I’ll answer for him since he’s probably too busy making shower videos for his girlfriends. You can search all populations on their website

[Matxe92]

I’ll answer for him since he’s probably too busy making shower videos for his girlfriends. You can search all populations on their website

naah fuck that. theres no way ur close to east german which is a sign of a semi high baltic component and then also be closest to viking.

[Dick]

naah fuck that. theres no way ur close to east german which is a sign of a semi high baltic component and then also be closest to viking.

The thread is about Germans

[J. Ketch]

I'm tempted to agree with the statement that a "Biological German" doesn't exist, though the same is true for many European nations.

[Mortimer]

I'm tempted to agree with the statement that a "Biological German" doesn't exist, though the same is true for many European nations.

Because you think that all whites are the same and that only the concept of white is real? That's still different then the multicultural narrative though

[J. Ketch]

Because you think that all whites are the same and that only the concept of white is real? That's still different then the multicultural narrative though
Definitely not, only that genetic borders do not correlate perfectly with national borders, and that people of one European nation can be more similar to neighbours of another nation than to people of their own. Eg SW Germans/NE French are often considered together as one genetic cluster, separate to the NW German/Dutch/Scandinavian/British cluster (NW Euro's proper).

[Kyp]

Gaul + Longobard (4.55)
Longobard + Frank (4.683)
Frank (7.197)
Gaul (8.724)
Longobard (9.089)

[Leto]

Gaul + Longobard (4.55)
Longobard + Frank (4.683)
Frank (7.197)
Gaul (8.724)
Longobard (9.089)
Can you post your mother's K13?

[Kyp]

Can you post your mother's K13?


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.66
2 Baltic 26.84
3 West_Med 15.71
4 West_Asian 6.08
5 East_Med 5.85
6 Red_Sea 1.42
7 Northeast_African 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.65
9 South_Asian 0.56
10 East_Asian 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 3.91
2 West_German 5.36
3 East_German 5.47
4 South_Dutch 6.15
5 North_German 8.53
6 Hungarian 8.69
7 French 10.09
8 Southeast_English 10.56
9 Danish 10.77
10 North_Dutch 10.84
11 Orcadian 11.61
12 Swedish 11.62
13 Southwest_English 12.23
14 Norwegian 12.32
15 Irish 12.54
16 West_Scottish 13.37
17 Serbian 13.47
18 Croatian 13.82
19 North_Swedish 13.83
20 Moldavian 15.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% Austrian + 37.5% South_Dutch @ 1.61
2 55.4% Southwest_English + 44.6% Moldavian @ 1.63
3 69.8% South_Dutch + 30.2% Croatian @ 1.64
4 50.6% West_German + 49.4% East_German @ 1.78
5 74.8% South_Dutch + 25.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.86
6 59.4% Austrian + 40.6% West_German @ 1.87
7 89.4% Austrian + 10.6% French_Basque @ 1.88
8 53.3% East_German + 46.7% South_Dutch @ 1.93
9 66% East_German + 34% French @ 1.94
10 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Southwest_English @ 1.98
11 76% South_Dutch + 24% Ukrainian @ 2.01
12 77.9% West_German + 22.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.09
13 59.1% Southeast_English + 40.9% Moldavian @ 2.11
14 78.9% West_German + 21.1% Ukrainian @ 2.14
15 75.4% Austrian + 24.6% French @ 2.23
16 76.3% Austrian + 23.7% Southeast_English @ 2.23
17 80% South_Dutch + 20% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.24
18 73.7% South_Dutch + 26.3% South_Polish @ 2.27
19 79.8% West_German + 20.2% Polish @ 2.29
20 72.4% South_Dutch + 27.6% Moldavian @ 2.32

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% West_German @ 1.903448


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.571715


Edit: Myheritage results
Scandinavian: 33,0
East-Europe: 17,9
English: 17,4
Balkan: 15,0
North & Westeuropean: 14,8
Iberian: 1,9

[Leto]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.66
2 Baltic 26.84
3 West_Med 15.71
4 West_Asian 6.08
5 East_Med 5.85
6 Red_Sea 1.42
7 Northeast_African 0.68
8 Amerindian 0.65
9 South_Asian 0.56
10 East_Asian 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 3.91
2 West_German 5.36
3 East_German 5.47
4 South_Dutch 6.15
5 North_German 8.53
6 Hungarian 8.69
7 French 10.09
8 Southeast_English 10.56
9 Danish 10.77
10 North_Dutch 10.84
11 Orcadian 11.61
12 Swedish 11.62
13 Southwest_English 12.23
14 Norwegian 12.32
15 Irish 12.54
16 West_Scottish 13.37
17 Serbian 13.47
18 Croatian 13.82
19 North_Swedish 13.83
20 Moldavian 15.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% Austrian + 37.5% South_Dutch @ 1.61
2 55.4% Southwest_English + 44.6% Moldavian @ 1.63
3 69.8% South_Dutch + 30.2% Croatian @ 1.64
4 50.6% West_German + 49.4% East_German @ 1.78
5 74.8% South_Dutch + 25.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.86
6 59.4% Austrian + 40.6% West_German @ 1.87
7 89.4% Austrian + 10.6% French_Basque @ 1.88
8 53.3% East_German + 46.7% South_Dutch @ 1.93
9 66% East_German + 34% French @ 1.94
10 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Southwest_English @ 1.98
11 76% South_Dutch + 24% Ukrainian @ 2.01
12 77.9% West_German + 22.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.09
13 59.1% Southeast_English + 40.9% Moldavian @ 2.11
14 78.9% West_German + 21.1% Ukrainian @ 2.14
15 75.4% Austrian + 24.6% French @ 2.23
16 76.3% Austrian + 23.7% Southeast_English @ 2.23
17 80% South_Dutch + 20% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.24
18 73.7% South_Dutch + 26.3% South_Polish @ 2.27
19 79.8% West_German + 20.2% Polish @ 2.29
20 72.4% South_Dutch + 27.6% Moldavian @ 2.32

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% West_German @ 1.903448


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.571715


Edit: Myheritage results
Scandinavian: 33,0
East-Europe: 17,9
English: 17,4
Balkan: 15,0
North & Westeuropean: 14,8
Iberian: 1,9
Looks bayerisch, badisch or hessisch to me :)

[Kyp]

Looks bayerisch, badisch or hessisch to me :)

Close. Franconian ;)

[Leto]

Why do you love Germans and cuck for Germanistan so much despite being 100% East Slavic whose country was raped by the Nazis during WW2? Do you have Stockholm syndrome?

Go join Kalmücken-Kavallerie-Korps, you Nazi Russkiy Mongol Volksdeutsch, lol.
Dude, just get the fuck out, you're insane. :lol:

[Bellbeaking]

They have spoken a Germanic language for 1000's of years and are 100% Germanic, Germanic today even means 'associated with Germany'. But genetically if they where Germanic they would plot closer to Denmark, but even Bretons or Irish people are genetically closer to Danes than most Germans.

[Leto]

Germans are enemies of white Europe and of Polish Poland. And you Russkiy-Finn Mongol get out back to Siberia, Belarus is not your country, you are not biologically and genetically Belarusian.
Okay, bro.

[War Chef]

Polish use a lot of German loan words in administration, trade, and craftsmanship.

During the middle ages the Polish nobility hired a lot of people from the Hanse cities to develop and administer Polish cities. Low German was the administration language in almost all Polish cities during that time.

I wouldn't really call that getting cucked, just what neighbors are supposed to do.

[The Lawspeaker]

Polish use a lot of German loan words in administration, trade, and craftsmanship.

During the middle ages the Polish nobility hired a lot of people from the Hanse cities to develop and administer Polish cities. Low German was the administration language in almost all Polish cities during that time.

I wouldn't really call that getting cucked, just what neighbors are supposed to do.

There would have been a lot of Dutch in the coastal plains and in cities like Danzig too. Dutch trade was particularly strong during the 15th to late 17th century. Stettin was also a big city and so was Thorn. (of course - those were German).

[War Chef]

There would have been a lot of Dutch in the coastal plains and in cities like Danzig too. Dutch trade was particularly strong during the 15th to late 17th century.

Yeah I guess, as Netherlands was part of the Hanseatic league

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

[War Chef]

There would have been a lot of Dutch in the coastal plains and in cities like Danzig too. Dutch trade was particularly strong during the 15th to late 17th century.

Yeah I guess, as Netherlands was part of the Hanseatic league

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

[The Lawspeaker]

Yeah I guess, as Netherlands was part of the Hanseatic league

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

But also after that: during the Republic. Just look at Danzig. Does this look Polish ?

https://www.welt.de/img/reise/mobile101185465/3222506357-ci102l-w1024/danzig-haeuserfront-DW-Reise-Danzig-jpg.jpg

https://www.umfulana.de/media/tour/original/11010263.jpg

No, man. This screams Northern Germany - hell the Netherlands.

[War Chef]

War Chief, how many Germans have you scalped?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=11652&dateline=1560725747

I didn't scalp any. The Romans already took care of that. In fact Roman subjugation of Germanic tribes was so shameful to Germanic tribes that it's most likely what kick started Germany's whole development. Memories of that left the people but-hurt forever....This was well after Tuetonburg forest and Romans even captured Arminius' wife (guy who orchestrated Teutonberg forest battle) and sold her off to slavery. Ahhh sweet revenge.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S1cfOydQ5No&

[The Lawspeaker]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Golden_Gate_in_Gda%C5%84sk.PNG

This famous gate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_(Gda%C5%84sk)) in Danzig was designed by a Fleming in the Dutch style. As for the fact that the Poles can now claim that Danzig isn't German:


The gate was largely destroyed by Soviet shelling in World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), but was rebuilt in 1957. Although most artifacts of Germanness were eradicated after the city became Polish in 1945, an original German inscription on the gate was restored in the 1990s: Es müsse wohl gehen denen, die dich lieben. Es müsse Friede sein inwendig in deinen Mauern und Glück in deinen Palästen ("They shall prosper that love thee. Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces." – Psalm 122 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_122))

[The Lawspeaker]

^ Poles can't even do their own trade or drain their own marshes. Too busy claiming the undeserved hero/victim status. Gotta hand the Russki's one thing: they remember those trade links West and they know who did the trading and who brought them there. The buildings are still there (the whole of St. Petersburg would be a nice example of what that trade and interaction produced). When it comes to its lay-out and architecture: St. Petersburg is anything but Russian (Moscow, Pskow, Novgorod - those are traditionally Russian cities), it has a Western European lay-out that would have been modern for its time (much like Gothenburg which was built by the Dutch) and its architecture is a Russified version of Baroque. It pretty much replaced the old land routes via Reval, Riga and others which were in the Baltic. It replaced Novgorod and the dangerous route to Archangel.

[War Chef]

The only reason NW Germans colonized the Baltic was because of their huge population densities.

The same happened with Italians starting Genoa and Venetian colonies abroad.

Just look at population density

http://i.imgur.com/gpWAJQN.jpg

[Voskos]

Germany-austria-netherlands-german swiss-english are mostly germanic. Scandos are their own thing for cultural reasons.

[The Lawspeaker]

The Poles have one strength (it seems): ingratitude.

[The Lawspeaker]

The only reason NW Germans colonized the Baltic was because of their huge population densities.

The same happened with Italians starting Genoa and Venetian colonies abroad.

Just look at population density

http://i.imgur.com/gpWAJQN.jpg

A high population density coupled with high levels of urbanisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_urban_centers_in_the_Low_Countries), in those days, would have been a sign of being a well-off society with food to spare. Some things never change, I guess.

[War Chef]

^ Population density likely precedes urbanization. My point was that Germans and Italians aren't somehow "superior" for expanding, rather it was bound to happen.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/8/87/Population_density%2C_by_NUTS_3_regions%2C_2011_%2 8inhabitants_per_km2%29.png

[The Lawspeaker]

One day we will regain both the Eastern Kresy and the Western Kresy.

Long live Poland from the Elbe to the Dnieper! :)

I'd rather see a Germany from the Weichsel to the Rhine and Meuse and a Russia from the Weichsel to Murmansk. Better for European stability. Because it seems to me that you Polacks can't last five seconds without wanting to claim other peoples lands - which is bad for European stability.

:thumb001:

The unstable factors (France and Germany) have learned to stop killing each other. Maybe it's time to stop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Weiss_(1939)) the Poles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland) from starting up any more nonsense in the East.

[The Lawspeaker]

It is not a mystery that Germans and East Slavs are allies.

Germany from the Rhine to the Vistula and Ukraine from the Vistula to Caucasus - that was the project of German nationalists:

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/07/ukraine-question-1930-part.html

And look what you created. Merkel's Germany is the most Anti-European country in Europe and Ukraine the most dysfunctional.

Both are also artficial countries.

The natural state of Germans is being divided into dozens of principalities, like in HRE times.

The natural state of Poland is to be divided between the Russians and the Germans so they can't stir up shit like you do now. I don't see Germans here wanting to go on a rampage again. But I see Polacks like you. Europe was a much better place without an independent Poland and it will be a better place again when that natural situation has been restored. Gives us here in the West the time to focus on other things; commerce and culture without us constantly having to spend arms on some unruly faction in the East.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't see Germans here wanting to go on a rampage again.

Too busy getting extinct and replaced:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUlf2-XSZw
Gysi doesn't sound particularly German to me. And, Polack, if you lot cause another war in Europe, I am sure there will be no sympathy for you this time around.

[The Lawspeaker]

(Either way: what Germany needs is to stop looking at Central Europe all the time and do what we do: a Westpolitik). They should focus on France, the Scandinavian countries, the Benelux, their DACH partners and the Anglo-Saxon world).

[RenaRyuguu]

According to some people I'm a real German but I always correct them and say I'm a Turkish man and proud of my background. I don't need their pee sitting down German man identity.

Yeah exactly you're Turkish but live in Germany. Correct them if they think you're German

[The Lawspeaker]

Yeah exactly you're Turkish but live in Germany. Correct them if they think you're German

He shouldn't be in Germany to begin with.

[RenaRyuguu]

He shouldn't be in Germany to begin with.

That's true as well but we dk why he came there due to which unforeseen circumstances in Turkey

[The Lawspeaker]

That's true as well but we dk why he came there due to which unforeseen circumstances in Turkey
Their problem - not Germany's problem.

[Kyp]

According to some people I'm a real German but I always correct them and say I'm a Turkish man and proud of my background. I don't need their pee sitting down German man identity.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=24948&dateline=1563601899

[RenaRyuguu]

And you shouldn't be in California unless you are Mexican or Native American?

The first natives of America were Solutreans which is basically white Europeans and California has recently had a large income of Europeans from North Italy and Germany so I am allowed to be here as are the Mexicans and Native Americans. It's a free country full of many nations. Germany is just Germany where people speak German. Anyone is allowed to live here. That's how this country was made

[RenaRyuguu]

That's bullshit actually.

Anyway all of Germany used be to inhabited by Neolithic farmers from Turkey before the ancestors of present-day Germans came from Russia (Yamnaya culture).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNTXCMYjwEk

[RenaRyuguu]

This has been debunked be genetic studies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY01NjND1jc

[RenaRyuguu]

These are "prehistoric" videos from several years ago...

In genetics several years = prehistory.

We are not there yet with genetics. Give them 10 years and they will be able to prove this theory. Educated people work there I'm sure they know better than both of us.

[Roy]

It's true. Modern Germans are mostly Turkic, obviously :rolleyes:


edit:
...
I see two posters being offended and not getting my post as it was intended obiously (in a sarcastic way) and thumbing me down. It was a reply aimed at this stupid idea that Germans are not mostly Germanic, while they clearly are actually :) :confused:

My first thumb down since forever, actually.

[Roy]

The Poles have one strength (it seems): ingratitude.

You act too high and mighty. Get off your high horse, man.

[The Lawspeaker]

You act too high and mighty. Get off your high horse, man.

Deal with it. I, personally, think that Europe was better off without that unstable factor Poland. You two really changed my mind on that subject.

[RenaRyuguu]

In 10 years geneticists will prove all humans are Slavic.

We shall see in 10 years cheers

[The Lawspeaker]

Solutreans were Polish.

Funny joke. Lay down your vodka.

[Voskos]

Europe needs to be divided into 4 : slavs, germanics , romance and hellenic. We just have nothing in common.

[Roy]

Deal with it. I, personally, think that Europe was better off without that unstable factor Poland. You two really changed my mind on that subject.

You treat other Europeans, like Polish or Italian people in a condescending way. You clearly look down on them for no substantial reason at all, and I find it upsetting.

[Satem]

We need Teutone, every Germanic thread without him is less funny

[War Chef]

You treat other Europeans, like Polish or Italian people in a condescending way. You clearly look down on them for no substantial reason at all, and I find it upsetting.

He doesn't think too highly of Slavs after the downing of the Dutch plane in Ukraine, after that, things went really sour

[Scandal]

You treat other Europeans, like Polish or Italian people in a condescending way. You clearly look down on them for no substantial reason at all, and I find it upsetting.

I think his anti-polish and anti-southern posts are response to the anti-germanic posts of the users from Poland/Italy(Litvin, Renaissance etc). Not that I agree with him, just an observation. I don't think he really hates Poles or cares much about them.

[War Chef]

There's always going to be a snobbishness of "them vs. us" especially in people who have differences

Deal with it

[Lucas]

Then according to that website Serbs are closest to Gauls

1. *Gaul (10.98)
2. Scythian + Gaul (8.41)
3. Scythian + Frank (10.0)
4. Gaul (10.98)
5. Scythian (13.29)
6. Frank (14.56)

Lol. Fuckin logic:)

[Figaro]

There is a difference between the mixing that goes into the inherent genetic variation within a group (say: Swiss Germans being partly Germanic, Gallo-Roman, with perhaps traces of other components), and someone of more recent mixing. The ideologies influencing academia simply are about cucking identity of Europeans.

[Boudin]

Europe needs to be divided into 4 : slavs, germanics , romance and hellenic. We just have nothing in common.

Where would French fit?