What was the Western Hunter Gatherer (WHG) phenotype?

[Marcellinus]

They clearly were not light-skinned (La Braña 1 and Loschbour carry several ancestral skin-pigmentation alleles [Olalde et al 2014]), yet they had caucasian skull morphologies and light colored eyes. What modern populations best exemplify their phenotype? 89250

[Adamastor]

No modern population totally resemble them, some Northern Europeans have more traits inherited from them. In the same way, Peruvian or Mexican Mestizos don't resemble totally Spaniards or AMerindians, but have traces inherited from both.

Between European Hunter Gatherers, neolithic farmers and Steppe IE folks we have an amazing time gap (more than 30k in some cases). The idea that all these people were the same ''race'' is more than arbitrary, it's ridiculous.

[Creoda]

I guess I imagine them as closest to dark Balts.

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/4675-1519744035.jpg

[Zrinski]

Indeed, it is difficult to tell because they were genetically pure WHG and yet these genes are widespread, but not dominant in all contemporary European nations.

[Zrinski]

Some individuals perhaps could be found, but if I'm not mistaken, wouldn't search in Eastern Europe where was EGH, but in Western Europe. Perhaps old and isolated populations like Basques (autosomally speaking, not per Y-DNA)?

[21993]

Western Hunter Gatherers were one of the ghost populations of Europe along with Early Neolithic Farmers and Ancient North Eurasians. Western Hunter Gatherers spreaded all round Europe and adjacent regions but could not maintain their ethnic identitities and therefore got assimilated and also their genes are diluted by the host populations. Since their original phenotype does not exist anymore, anthropologists most probably did not give a name to such phenotype. However, among the non-extinct phenotypes, it looks like Paleo-Atlantid the most.

[PaleoEuropean]

Depends on if you count Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers in that group or not, all Native European phenotypes descend from Cro-Magnid, Brunn and Borreby are the two untouched paleothic types for the North, the South and East would have been Cro-Magnoid as well but some of their phenotypes are more archaic looking.

[PaleoEuropean]

Western Hunter Gatherers were one of the ghost populations of Europe along with Early Neolithic Farmers and Ancient North Eurasians. Western Hunter Gatherers spreaded all round Europe and adjacent regions but could not maintain their ethnic identitities and therefore got assimilated and also their genes are diluted by the host populations. Since their original phenotype does not exist anymore, anthropologists most probably did not give a name to such phenotype. However, among the non-extinct phenotypes, it looks like Paleo-Atlantid the most.

Are you on crack man, hunter gather phenotypes are absurdly common, Borreby and Brunn are two of the most prevalent Northern European phenotypes.

[21993]

Are you on crack man, hunter gather phenotypes are absurdly common, Borreby and Brunn are two of the most prevalent Northern European phenotypes.

You are right that Borreby and Brünn are very common in Northern Europe but Northern Europeans are not 100% WHG. They have WHG admixture.

[PaleoEuropean]

You are right that Borreby and Brünn are very common in Northern Europe but Northern Europeans are not 100% WHG. They have WHG admixture.

Most people on here that are from WHG-SHG haplogroups have pretty high native admixture, the science on gene selection and expression is pretty shaky and revolves around mostly "it's random theory"

[21993]

Most people on here that are from WHG-SHG haplogroups have pretty high native admixture, the science on gene selection and expression is pretty shaky and revolves around mostly "it's random theory"

Actually I don’t know whether Borreby and Brünn existed among WHG

[Daos777]

Bump. What did WHG nibbas look like?


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[TheOldNorth]

They clearly were not light-skinned (La Braña 1 and Loschbour carry several ancestral skin-pigmentation alleles [Olalde et al 2014]), yet they had caucasian skull morphologies and light colored eyes. What modern populations best exemplify their phenotype? 89250

imagine them as really tan dark haired blue eyed faelids and other cromagnon types

[Daos777]

imagine them as really tan dark haired blue eyed faelids and other cromagnon types

That sounds a lot like the more robust examples of paleo-Atlantid.

Like this dude https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/73a73e73ee5facb0e848b1e4e57a25c7.jpg


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[Jacques de Imbelloni]

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/Hughie-Maughan-Instagram-790506.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5jIQA2b.jpg

[TheOldNorth]

That sounds a lot like the more robust examples of paleo-Atlantid.

Like this dude https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/73a73e73ee5facb0e848b1e4e57a25c7.jpg


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Perhaps, but likely slightly darker and maybe slightly more gracile/rounded features

[Daos777]

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/Hughie-Maughan-Instagram-790506.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5jIQA2b.jpg

I’m pretty sure a WHG would not be doing that cuck face expression lmao


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[tipirneni]

This kind face common in parts of India, have some WHG, shows up as Ibero Maurisians or Iberians
http://www.idlebrain.com/images1/newpg-birthday-rajendra8.jpg

[Jana]

Baltoniggas.

[TheOldNorth]

This kind face common in parts of India, have some WHG, shows up as Ibero Maurisians or Iberians
http://www.idlebrain.com/images1/newpg-birthday-rajendra8.jpg

to south asian influenced

[Domias]

When I was a child, the books about Cro Magnons showed them stronger than modern Europeans but with similar faces (and whites, paleogenetic was not very advanced at this time).
Then according to Bernard Sergeant is his book "Les Indo-Européens", number of Proto-Indo-European skeletons were Cro-Magnids.
Finally, certain sources explain that ANF/EEF weren't so differents than WHG, or at least less differents between them than Europeans and Native Americans.

Personnally I don't know the real WHG appearance but it would be weird than they didn't look like us, even a little, except for the skin color (if they were really so dark)

[Creoda]

When I was a child, the books about Cro Magnons showed them stronger than modern Europeans but with similar faces (and whites, paleogenetic was not very advanced at this time).
Then according to Bernard Sergeant is his book "Les Indo-Européens", number of Proto-Indo-European skeletons were Cro-Magnids.
Finally, certain sources explain that ANF/EEF weren't so differents than WHG, or at least less differents between them than Europeans and Native Americans.

Personnally I don't know the real WHG appearance but it would be weird than they didn't look like us, even a little, except for the skin color (if they were really so dark)
The idea that they were extremely dark is BS. No population is darker for having extra Mesolithic European blood.

[Voyt]

They clearly were not light-skinned (La Braña 1 and Loschbour carry several ancestral skin-pigmentation alleles [Olalde et al 2014]), yet they had caucasian skull morphologies and light colored eyes. What modern populations best exemplify their phenotype? 89250

Loschbour Man reminds me of the Gypsy King: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161005163649-tyson-fury-waldimir-klitschko-belts-large-169.jpg

But in other reconstructions they made him out to be more siberid looking:

https://blobsvc.wort.lu/picture/669df97ed00d98457db11dc05f9d92f3/519/291/wortv3/d676c960a6340a291eb05742f6dd2c1782fb53bc

You really can't trust these reconstructions as science because soft tissue can't be predicted that well


This map shows Icelanders as the closest to WHG:

https://i.imgur.com/04WmL6W.png

But this map shows Basque as closest:

https://i.imgur.com/GQFvDg0.png

[vader]

probs my skin color. I get CG heterogenous, darker type european skin allele.

https://i0.wp.com/dna-explained.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/hammer-2014-16.jpg?resize=584%2C370&ssl=1

[Jingle Bell]

P. Atlantids and Berids
Medium-Tall, Dark, Robusts and Strong etc . . .

[Marshall Theodore]

Dark Faelids