Is He Have A Slavic Ancestry?

[karakartal]

Hello there.

Here is my father's results.


Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 9.36
2 Bulgarian 9.58
3 Romanian 12.05
4 Central_Greek 13.25
5 East_Sicilian 14.66
6 Italian_Abruzzo 15.39
7 Ashkenazi 15.54
8 Serbian 16
9 West_Sicilian 17.07
10 South_Italian 17.5
11 Tuscan 18.71
12 Moldavian 19.1
13 North_Italian 21.92
14 Turkish 22.06
15 Algerian_Jewish 22.25
16 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
17 Croatian 22.65
18 Italian_Jewish 22.76
19 Hungarian 23.54
20 Cyprian 24.86

Eurogenes K15
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.92
2 Baltic 15.74
3 North_Sea 14.85
4 West_Asian 14.01
5 West_Med 13.03
6 Eastern_Euro 7.82
7 Atlantic 3.86
8 South_Asian 3.08
9 Siberian 1.79
10 Red_Sea 1.76
11 Southeast_Asian 1.38
12 Amerindian 0.76

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 9.73
2 Bulgarian 12.18
3 Greek 12.97
4 Romanian 13.06
5 Ashkenazi 13.51
6 Central_Greek 14.41
7 East_Sicilian 15.6
8 Serbian 16.26
9 Italian_Abruzzo 16.45
10 South_Italian 17.59
11 Moldavian 17.87
12 Tuscan 18.63
13 West_Sicilian 18.68
14 Italian_Jewish 20.96
15 Hungarian 21.2
16 Croatian 21.27
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.06
18 Turkish 22.09
19 North_Italian 22.21
20 Algerian_Jewish

MDLP K23b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.87
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.26
3 European_Early_Farmers 13.15
4 Near_East 7.26
5 South_Central_Asian 6.03
6 South_Indian 3.22
7 North_African 2.44
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.43
9 Amerindian 2.01
10 Melano_Polynesian 1.04
11 Austronesian 1
12 East_African 0.94
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.77
14 East_Siberian 0.57

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 6.34
2 Romanian ( ) 7.05
3 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 7.68
4 Gagauz ( ) 8.18
5 Turk_Aydin ( ) 8.27
6 Macedonian ( ) 8.38
7 Bulgarian ( ) 8.67
8 Croat_BH ( ) 9.34
9 Bosnian ( ) 9.67
10 Montenegrian ( ) 10.01
11 Serb_BH ( ) 10.04
12 Croat ( ) 10.29
13 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 11.3
14 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 11.34
15 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 11.54
16 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 11.64
17 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 11.75
18 Romanian_Jew ( ) 12
19 Serb_Serbia ( ) 12.18
20 Cretan ( ) 12.44

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.56
2 North_European 27.24
3 Atlantic_Med 21.58
4 Southwest_Asian 8.02
5 Gedrosia 7.72
6 Siberian 2.23
7 Northwest_African 1.38
8 Southeast_Asian 1.34
9 South_Asian 1.29
10 East_Asian 0.63



# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.95
2 Romanians (Behar) 10.16
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.34
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.72
5 Greek (Dodecad) 12.94
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.33
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.69
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.76
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.06
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.26
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.49
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.66
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.72
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.59
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.64
16 Hungarians (Behar) 23.72
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.79
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.27
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 25.42
20 Turks (Behar) 26.49

Dodecad K7b
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 44.21
2 West_Asian 25.27
3 Southern 24.56
4 Siberian 2.74
5 East_Asian 1.69
6 South_Asian 1.53

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.15
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.25
3 Tuscan (HGDP) 9.72
4 Greek (Dodecad) 10.12
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.22
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.9
7 Romanians (Behar) 10.97
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.58
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.42
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.92
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.39
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.09
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.35
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 21.92
16 Murcia (1000Genomes) 22.63
17 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 22.83
18 Canarias (1000Genomes) 22.96
19 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 22.97
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 23.17

puntDNAL K12 Modern
# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 33.02
2 Caucasus_HG 28.32
3 European_HG 23.32
4 Near_East 7.6
5 Amerindian 2.99
6 Beringian 1.57
7 Sub-Saharan 1.14
8 East_Asian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.83
10 South_Asian 0.3

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.19
2 Greek 8.58
3 Albanian 8.83
4 Tuscan 11.14
5 Ashkenazi_Jew 11.81
6 Turkish_Aydin 12.2
7 Sicilian_West 13.39
8 Sicilian_East 13.44
9 Croatian 14.32
10 Romanian 15.45
11 Italian_Bergamo 17.85
12 Turkish 17.97
13 Dutch_South 18.69
14 Belgian 18.93
15 Hungarian 19.57
16 Nogai 19.69
17 French 19.84
18 German_South 20.21
19 Utahn_European 20.58
20 Moroccan_Jew 20.64

Also he's MyHeritage results;
Europe 65.8:
-Balkan 49,5
-East Europe 3,8
-South Europe 9,8
-Scandinavia 1,6
-Finnish 1,1
&
-West Asia:30,6
-Middle East:3,6

What do you think?

[Kayra]

Yes, he has.

[Dick]

All Europeans do it’s called steppe yamna

[karakartal]

All Europeans do it’s called steppe yamna

in apricity, people says balkan people doesn't have real slavic ancestry because they are not slavs. i want open topic because want to know literature.

i heard about steppe yamna culture but i don't know anything about that.

[Kayra]

in apricity, people says balkan people doesn't have real slavic ancestry because they are not slavs. i want open topic because want to know literature.

i heard about steppe yamna culture but i don't know anything about that.

Bulgarians and Macedonians are genetically 20-40% Slavic, in Western Balkans up to ~65%. This result seem in Bulgarian-Macedonian range.

[karakartal]

Bulgarians and Macedonians are genetically 20-40% Slavic, in Western Balkans up to ~65%. This result seem in Bulgarian-Macedonian range.

What about the other parts for Bulgarian-Macedonian? Balkan natives?

[Kayra]

What about the other parts for Bulgarian-Macedonian? Balkan natives?

Balkan farmers and Thracians. Possibly with slight Greek genetic influence.

[karakartal]

slavic bump

[Slavic Italian]

All Europeans do it’s called steppe yamna

Don't tell the German fanboys. They may become suicidal. Teutone certainly would have.

[karakartal]

Ma last bump. Maybe Slavic members help me about this.

[Ljubic]

Ma last bump. Maybe Slavic members help me about this.

Knowing about his Birthplace would certainly help. Also assuming that he is within your reach, you should be asking your father if he has slavic ancestry because as soon as your and your families mother tounge is slavic, you are considered a slav. If you wanted to know if he has more slavic admixture than the average turk then yes he has.

[karakartal]

Knowing about his Birthplace would certainly help. Also assuming that he is within your reach, you should be asking your father if he has slavic ancestry because as soon as your and your families mother tounge is slavic, you are considered a slav. If you wanted to know if he has more slavic admixture than the average turk then yes he has.

My father's ancestry came Drama&Kilkis, Greece and Karnobat, Bulgaria. All they speak Turkish and say "We are Turk" But the results say they must be mixed...

[Roy]

My father's ancestry came Drama&Kilkis, Greece and Karnobat, Bulgaria. All they speak Turkish and say "We are Turk" But the results say they must be mixed...

They likely are. Certain Muslim converts were also drawn into the Turkish ethnos.

[Vojnik]

Bulgarians and Macedonians are genetically 20-40% Slavic, in Western Balkans up to ~65%. This result seem in Bulgarian-Macedonian range.

Just under the range.

The population distances are quite high:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 9.36
2 Bulgarian 9.58
3 Romanian 12.05
4 Central_Greek 13.25
5 East_Sicilian 14.66
6 Italian_Abruzzo 15.39
7 Ashkenazi 15.54
8 Serbian 16
9 West_Sicilian 17.07
10 South_Italian 17.5
11 Tuscan 18.71
12 Moldavian 19.1
13 North_Italian 21.92
14 Turkish 22.06
15 Algerian_Jewish 22.25
16 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
17 Croatian 22.65
18 Italian_Jewish 22.76
19 Hungarian 23.54
20 Cyprian 24.86

Plus no Macedonian or Bulgarian I've seen gets that much South Asian:

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

But of course, there is Balkan Slavic genes in his father. Many Turks have it. It's called the Janissaries.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/WGP-20-Ottoman-Janissaries-ajpg.jpg?v=1438783012

[Kayra]

Just under the range.

The population distances are quite high:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 9.36
2 Bulgarian 9.58
3 Romanian 12.05
4 Central_Greek 13.25
5 East_Sicilian 14.66
6 Italian_Abruzzo 15.39
7 Ashkenazi 15.54
8 Serbian 16
9 West_Sicilian 17.07
10 South_Italian 17.5
11 Tuscan 18.71
12 Moldavian 19.1
13 North_Italian 21.92
14 Turkish 22.06
15 Algerian_Jewish 22.25
16 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
17 Croatian 22.65
18 Italian_Jewish 22.76
19 Hungarian 23.54
20 Cyprian 24.86

Plus no Macedonian or Bulgarian I've seen gets that much South Asian:

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.55
2 Baltic 21.55
3 West_Med 16.35
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 North_Atlantic 13.25
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Siberian 2.17
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 East_Asian 1.56
10 Amerindian 1.01

But of course, there is Balkan Slavic genes in his father. Many Turks have it. It's called the Janissaries.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/WGP-20-Ottoman-Janissaries-ajpg.jpg?v=1438783012

It is definitely not about Janissaries, this thing just a myth. Janissaries are not allowed to marry and breed. His father is obviously Balkan Turk and would be modeling like 80% Bulgarian + 20% Turkmen regarding these results.

[Vojnik]

My father's ancestry came Drama&Kilkis, Greece and Karnobat, Bulgaria. All they speak Turkish and say "We are Turk" But the results say they must be mixed...

Kilkis/Kukush was majority Macedonian Slavic just over 100 years ago.

One of the most notable Macedonian revolutionaries was born in Kukush. Goce Delcev.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/G_Delchev.jpg

[Vojnik]

It is definitely not about Janissaries, this thing just a myth. Janissaries are not allowed to marry and breed. His father is obviously Balkan Turk and would be modeling like 80% Bulgarian + 20% Turkmen regarding these results.

Balkan Turks are mostly native though, with a dash of a little bit of something else.

[karakartal]

Balkan Turks are mostly native though, with a dash of a little bit of something else.

Do you heard anything about "Selmas"? This village/city/region wrote my father's family archive.

[Jana]

Yes, he does. Everyone with ancestry from Balkans has Slavic ancestry including non-slavic speaking balkanites just like like all slavic speaking balkanites have Native ancestry.

[Jana]

Bulgarians and Macedonians are genetically 20-40% Slavic, in Western Balkans up to ~65%. This result seem in Bulgarian-Macedonian range.

Bulgarians are 40% Slavic on average with some individuals higher or lower than that. There was a thread about it recently. 20% is way too low, even mainland Greeks are 30% Slavic on average.

[Vojnik]

Bulgarians are 40% Slavic on average with some individuals higher or lower than that. There was a thread about it recently. 20% is way too low, even mainland Greeks are 30% Slavic on average.

Hold on, Slavic according to what test?

[Vojnik]

Do you heard anything about "Selmas"? This village/city/region wrote my father's family archive.

No. Where is this village located? Is Selmas the original name of the village?

[Jana]

Hold on, Slavic according to what test?

According to nMonte runs modeling with using Early Slavic and Paleo-Balkan samples.
Amount of slavic ancestry in Balkans is almost always identical to total percentage of slavic haplogroups (R1a Z280, R1a M458 + I2-din, excluding Jewish-Greek dinaric branch) among individual nations.

[Pribislav]

Yes, he does. Everyone with ancestry from Balkans has Slavic ancestry including non-slavic speaking balkanites just like like all slavic speaking balkanites have Native ancestry.

In y dna Bulgarians are Slavic from 27% on the east (Burgas province) to the 40-41% on the west (Sofija province, Vratsa, Vidin, Montana) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?137408-Who-is-darker-balkanian&p=6130710&viewfull=1#post6130710

[Jana]

Here is good model for Bulgarians with super close fit , made by Italian user but I further improved the fit by adding Tatar reference, indeed Bulgarians have small amount of Old Bulgar blood


"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.2504,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 42.5,
"BGR_IA": 25.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 25.83,
"Tatar": 5.83,

Avar Szolad is pure medieval Slav from Panonnia clustering with modern Belarusians, Iron Age Bulgarian is local Thracian, Italian medieval Collegno is Roman input and Tatar is best proxy for Bulgars.

[Vojnik]

Here is good model for Bulgarians with suuper close fit , made by Italian user but I further improved the fit by adding Tatar reference, indeed Bulgarians have small amount of Old Bulgar blood


"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.2504,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 42.5,
"BGR_IA": 25.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 25.83,
"Tatar": 5.83,

Avar Szolad is pure medieval Slav from Panonnia clustering with modern Belarusians, Iron Age Bulgarian is local Thracian, Italian medieval Collegno is Roman input and Tatar is best proxy for Bulgars.

Is there a Macedonian one?

[Rgvgjhvv]

even mainland Greeks are 30% Slavic on average.

LOL okay

[pelikarski]

In y dna Bulgarians are Slavic from 27% on the east (Burgas province) to the 40-41% on the west (Sofija province, Vratsa, Vidin, Montana) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?137408-Who-is-darker-balkanian&p=6130710&viewfull=1#post6130710

By Slavic you're taking into account only R1a and I2a haplogroups?

[Jana]

Is there a Macedonian one?

Same model for Slavic speaking Macedonians, very similar result but it rejects Tatar sample because unlike Bulgarians you guys have no Bulgar blood.

sample": "Macedonian:Average",
"fit": 1.313,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 50.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 25,
"BGR_IA": 24.17,
"Tatar": 0,

You have same amount of Thracian and Roman ancestry like Bulgarians, difference is they have minor Bulgar ancestry and you have little bit more of Slavic blood on average.

[Pribislav]

By Slavic you're taking into account only R1a and I2a haplogroups?

Yes.
Early Slavs except that two haplogroups had some others in smal % for sure, but it's not clear which ones and for now I tend to consider only R1a (Slavic clades) and I2a-Din for "Slavic."

[Jana]

LOL okay

Pardon ?

Mainland Greeks can be modeled as 70% Mycenean and 30% Medieval Slavic, and amount of Slavic haplogroups in Greece is pretty equal to that.
Maniots are exception because they are closer to islanders and purer.

[Ayetooey]

Yes.
Early Slavs except that two haplogroups had some others in smal % for sure, but it's not clear which ones and for now I tend to consider only R1a (Slavic clades) and I2a-Din for "Slavic."

Perhaps subclades of I1, and possibly some of e-v13 as well. But as you say, too early to say atm.

[pelikarski]

Yes.
Early Slavs except that two haplogroups had some others in smal l% for sure, but it's not clear which ones and for now I tend to consider only R1a (Slavic clades) and I2a-Din for "Slavic."

Yeah, but it differs among Slavs. Slavs like Poles have 5% of this Slavic haplogrup and Serbs have it at 35%.



You have same amount of Thracian and Roman ancestry like Bulgarians, difference is they have minor Bulgar ancestry and you have little bit more of Slavic blood on average.

Fyromians, being Bulgarians themselves, are one of the most native looking groups of Bulgarians.

I am not into genetic like you guys, but Bulgarians are always very southern shifted on these amateur studies.
Is this false regarding Bulgarians, surely National geographic is a name that bears more reliability than monte?
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

[Jana]

Yeah, but it differs among Slavs. Slavs like Poles have 5% of this Slavic haplogrup and Serbs have it at 35%.



Fyromians, being Bulgarians themselves, are one of the most native looking groups of Bulgarians.

I am not into genetic like you guys, but Bulgarians are always very southern shifted on these amateur studies.
Is this false regarding Bulgarians, surely National geographic is a name that bears more reability than monte?
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

National Geographic isn't using ancient samples but based on modern groups who are mixed. So maybe you are 55% Ukrainian, but they aren't pure Slavs.
It's same like FTDNA, many south slavs there get 70-80% eastern europe and on Ancestry some get 90%, it has no basis in reality.

I already said Bulgarians are more eastern looking, and that doesn't mean more Slavic looking. Your Bulgar ancestry can also pull you NE, because Tatars don't look very southern on average.
And I used Russian Tatars for Bulgarians, not Crimean ones who are closer to Turks, because Bulgars come from Russia.

By the way, there is no point to discuss I2-din, it was found in medieval Polish and Russian Slavic samples unlike R1a.
And it was never found in any ancient Balkan samples.

+ amount of this haplogroup in Polesia (Slavic core) is 25 %.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Pardon ?

Mainland Greeks can be modeled as 70% Mycenean and 30% Medieval Slavic, and amount of Slavic haplogroups in Greece is pretty equal to that.
Maniots are exception because they are closer to islanders and purer.

Well it's not applicable to my ancestry, but I've never heard that before. 70/30 seems outrageous.

[Pribislav]

Perhaps subclades of I1, and possibly some of e-v13 as well. But as you say, too early to say atm.

Probably "Macura" I1-Z63 and "Vasojević" E-V13 arrived with Slavs, because they have a matches in eastern Europe.

[Ayetooey]

Probably "Macura" I1-Z63 and "Vasojević" E-V13 arrived with Slavs, because they have a matches in eastern Europe.

Yes I was thinking of these. I1 makes sense overall considering the proximity of east Germanics with the proto slavs.

[Vojnik]

Perhaps subclades of I1, and possibly some of e-v13 as well. But as you say, too early to say atm.

Same thing with I2. Some clades may be Slavic, others native Balkan.

[pelikarski]

National Geographic isn't using ancient samples but based on modern groups who are mixed. So maybe you are 55% Ukrainian, but they aren't pure Slavs.
It's same like FTDNA, many south slavs there get 70-80% eastern europe and on Ancestry some get 90%, it has no basis in reality.

I already said Bulgarians are more eastern looking, and that doesn't mean more Slavic looking. Your Bulgar ancestry can also pull you NE, because Tatars don't look very southern on average.
And I used Russian Tatars for Bulgarians, not Crimean ones who are closer to Turks, because Bulgars come from Russia.

By the way, there is no point to discuss I2-din, it was found in medieval Polish and Russian Slavic samples unlike R1a.
And it was never found in any ancient Balkan samples.

+ amount of this haplogroup in Polesia (Slavic core) is 25 %.

Tatar looking people are not common here, I have seen Volga Bulgars promoting Bulgarism on youtube, but they are different, both culturally and phenotypically
Now with this Tatar stuff, it reminds me of Fyromians on the web
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66137629_10156902381672034_6193993262089371648_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_eui2=AeHtcaTezElsD3aGKFEwO4GR1_cKnw1H7hqdY4eIh XsuHuR6oL-VQjiLbU-mTxjcuF3fOaum0DBxRUy4YFHLud4v1-Q0PufVetvOWDWIyK5GSg&_nc_oc=AQlHIdAB0Asm87rqKM5I5kmaLFHTkf7pezV3bK6N3SA 62-IyVvLaCHjvZUfBlqzv-Fo&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=461fd330841e7eda5dadfa36c56cdfb9&oe=5DA7ECEF

[Ayetooey]

Same thing with I2. Some clades may be Slavic, others native Balkan.

I think I2a1b-Din is probably slavic as a whole in the context of the balkans, but the earliest sample we have is from 900 AD in Poland which is a good 700 years after the proto slavs emerged, so until something earlier is found there's right now only educated guesses and assumptions rather than facts. There was some samples from 100 AD Poland I posted about before, but they were I2a2 not i2a1 so unrelated.

[Jana]

Well it's not applicable to my ancestry, but I've never heard that before. 70/30 seems outrageous.

If you are Anatolian Greek, you don't have any Slavic ancestry.
Greek islands and south Peloponessians have much less than other mainlanders too, they are lot more Med and some have none.

nMonte (very close fit)

"sample": "Greek:Average",
"fit": 1.8984,

"GRC_Mycenaean": 63.33,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 36.67,

My guess is this average is based on northern Greeks, Thessalians Macedonians Thracians etc. Because it is too much for average Greek.

Slavic haplogroups in Europe (not perfect, but closest to accurate from what we have)
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Slavic_Europe.png

Slavs penetrated pretty much all of mainland Greece
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p45f_p1oLmk/TBZ-HbG3z7I/AAAAAAAABlI/Mz078R05xvo/s1600/Slavic_tribes_in_the_Balkans.JPG

So it's quite logical they left quite an impact. In northern Greece even today exist slavic speaking enclaves, and before century and two there were more.

[Voskos]

Not really. Turks and slavs stem from the same R1a branches. Bulgarians whom you see on your oracle list, were the first Turks to settle in the Balkans.

[Vojnik]

Tatar looking people are not common here, I have seen Volga Bulgars promoting Bulgarism on youtube, but they are different, both culturally and phenotypically
Now with this Tatar stuff, it reminds me of Fyromians on the web
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66137629_10156902381672034_6193993262089371648_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_eui2=AeHtcaTezElsD3aGKFEwO4GR1_cKnw1H7hqdY4eIh XsuHuR6oL-VQjiLbU-mTxjcuF3fOaum0DBxRUy4YFHLud4v1-Q0PufVetvOWDWIyK5GSg&_nc_oc=AQlHIdAB0Asm87rqKM5I5kmaLFHTkf7pezV3bK6N3SA 62-IyVvLaCHjvZUfBlqzv-Fo&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=461fd330841e7eda5dadfa36c56cdfb9&oe=5DA7ECEF

Yeah I've seen that pic, and completely disagree with that. It's so embarrassing and stupid. Macedonians get this type of trolling too you know.

But wasn't Bulgar ancestry always seen as a source of pride among Bulgarians anyway?

[Jana]

Forgot to mention we need Dorian samples. Not all of northern input in Greece needs to be from Slavs, maybe Dorians were more northern genetically than Myceneans. But we have no such samples as of now.

[Jana]

Same thing with I2. Some clades may be Slavic, others native Balkan.

Not really. Almost all clades are Slavic with expection of one branch which consists of only Greeks and Jews, but even that branch is quite young and can come from early Slav who assimilated into Byzantines or something like that. That one is best candidate for native , but it is not known yet. So called Med cluster of I2-din.

[Vojnik]

Not really. Turks and slavs stem from the same R1a branches. Bulgarians whom you see on your oracle list, were the first Turks to settle in the Balkans.

Turkics. Not Turks. There is a difference.

Anyway, i'd probably give that mantle to the Avars.

[Jana]

Tatar looking people are not common here, I have seen Volga Bulgars promoting Bulgarism on youtube, but they are different, both culturally and phenotypically
Now with this Tatar stuff, it reminds me of Fyromians on the web

Well, unlike Macedonians (why do you call them FYROM, to insult them ? That country exist no more), Bulgarians have minor Bulgar ancestry (Tatar-like)
And Russian Tatars are mix of Finno-Ugric and Turkic tribes, today probably also mixed with Slavs.

Bulgars were probably north eurasian looking, not looking like Turks.

My point was that some people wrongly atribute eastern look to being more Slavic. It's incorrect.
Russians look eastern because of Uralic blood.

And native ancestors of Bulgarians were genetically lot more eastern than native ancestors of Croats for example, so it is logical we look more western.
Thracian sample was east med like, Illyrian samples were west med like.

[KingOf]

Well, unlike Macedonians (why do you call them FYROM, to insult them ? That country exist no more), Bulgarians have minor Bulgar ancestry (Tatar-like)
And Russian Tatars are mix of Finno-Ugric and Turkic tribes, today probably also mixed with Slavs.

Bulgars were probably north eurasian looking, not looking like Turks.

My point was that some people wrongly atribute eastern look to being more Slavic. It's incorrect.
Russians look eastern because of Uralic blood.

And native ancestors of Bulgarians were genetically lot more eastern than native ancestors of Croats for example, so it is logical we look more western.
Thracian sample was east med like, Illyrian samples were west med like.

Macedonia as a country doesn't exist either... there is one called North Macedonia

[Jana]

Macedonia as a country doesn't exist either... there is one called North Macedonia

I clearly stated I am talking about Slavic speaking Macedonians, not Greek Macedonians.

[Ayetooey]

Not really. Almost all clades are Slavic with expection of one branch which consists of only Greeks and Jews, but even that branch is quite young and can come from early Slav who assimilated into Byzantines or something like that. That one is best candidate for native , but it is not known yet. So called Med cluster of I2-din.

I think it's I-Y18331. Only found in Greeks and Jews as you said. Could be as simple as one guy settling 2000 years ago from the north which led to a founder effect.

[Vojnik]

Macedonia as a country doesn't exist either... there is one called North Macedonia

Macedonia is one mate. No north south bullshit. Treaty of Bucharest 1912-1913 mate. Against the will of the people. Don't forget.

[KingOf]

I clearly stated I am talking about Slavic speaking Macedonians, not Greek Macedonians.

I understood that...
When i specifically speak about North Koreans i don't refer them as Koreans...

[Dorian]

https://i.postimg.cc/g07ySWPJ/50461265-10211197019036225-4513995651545038848-o.jpg

[Vojnik]

I understood that...
When i specifically speak about North Koreans i don't refer them as Koreans...


There's a Macedonian ethnicity, and a Macedonian Greek geographical subgroup. There's obviously a difference. Deal with it.

[Jana]

Another model for Bulgarians, now using Myceneans instead of Romans:

sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.5117,

"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 47.5,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 27.5,
"BGR_IA": 17.5,
"Tatar": 7.5,

I get slightly worse fit when using ancient Greeks. So first model was better.

[KingOf]

Macedonia is one mate. No north south bullshit. Treaty of Bucharest 1912-1913 mate. Against the will of the people. Don't forget.

Really?
I need to travel to the North... as i have only been to the South.
I didn't know you speak Greek as well...

[karakartal]

No. Where is this village located? Is Selmas the original name of the village?

I don't know. I found about our family records in Ottoman archives.

[KingOf]

There's a Macedonian ethnicity, and a Macedonian Greek geographical subgroup. There's obviously a difference. Deal with it.

I deal with it since i can't go against Jewmerica's will yet...

[karakartal]

I don't know my father's family mostly mixed with Bulgarians or Macedonians. Our family settlement more close Bulgarians to Macedonians. I don't know haplogroup things i'm just know my father's ancestry. He seems have Slavic ancestry...

[Rgvgjhvv]

If you are Anatolian Greek, you don't have any Slavic ancestry.
Greek islands and south Peloponessians have much less than other mainlanders too, they are lot more Med and some have none.

nMonte (very close fit)

"sample": "Greek:Average",
"fit": 1.8984,

"GRC_Mycenaean": 63.33,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 36.67,

My guess is this average is based on northern Greeks, Thessalians Macedonians Thracians etc. Because it is too much for average Greek.

Slavic haplogroups in Europe (not perfect, but closest to accurate from what we have)
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Slavic_Europe.png

Slavs penetrated pretty much all of mainland Greece

So it's quite logical they left quite an impact. In northern Greece even today exist slavic speaking enclaves, and before century and two there were more.

I think it's being blown out of proportion. That second population reference is 100% Slavic? Sometimes the names are misleading. But anyway..

What calculator allows me to use my coordinates and see what my fit would be with those population references?

[Ayetooey]

I don't know my father's family mostly mixed with Bulgarians or Macedonians. Our family settlement more close Bulgarians to Macedonians. I don't know haplogroup things i'm just know my father's ancestry. He seems have Slavic ancestry...

What is his Y dna?

[Vojnik]

I don't know my father's family mostly mixed with Bulgarians or Macedonians. Our family settlement more close Bulgarians to Macedonians. I don't know haplogroup things i'm just know my father's ancestry. He seems have Slavic ancestry...

Yes, Being from Kilkis/Kukush, Good chance your fathers family mingled with Macedonian slavs.

He has no Pomak ancestry?

[karakartal]

What is his Y dna?

we don't do y-dna test but in morleydna and wegene, j2a2.

[karakartal]

Yes, Being from Kilkis/Kukush, Good chance your fathers family mingled with Macedonian slavs.

He has no Pomak ancestry?

Our family record and known, none Pomak ancestry.

[Lemgrant]

I think it's being blown out of proportion. That second population reference is 100% Slavic? Sometimes the names are misleading. But anyway..

What calculator allows me to use my coordinates and see what my fit would be with those population references?
here:

http://185.144.156.77:3000/


[
{
"sample": "Custom:Markos_scaled",
"fit": 3.4557,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 72.5,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 27.5,
"closestDistances": [
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 5.876615",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 7.174258",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 7.804979",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 9.203202",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 11.988393",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 14.364338"
]
}
]

[Rgvgjhvv]

here:

http://185.144.156.77:3000/


[
{
"sample": "Custom:Markos_scaled",
"fit": 3.4557,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 72.5,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 27.5,
"closestDistances": [
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 5.876615",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 7.174258",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 7.804979",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 9.203202",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 11.988393",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 14.364338"
]
}
]

So a pretty bad fit then, looks like. Would have to find other components.

[Jana]

I think it's being blown out of proportion. That second population reference is 100% Slavic? Sometimes the names are misleading. But anyway..

What calculator allows me to use my coordinates and see what my fit would be with those population references?

You can use this website: http://185.144.156.77:3000/

Avar Szolad was culturally Avar burial from Hungary, but obviously fully Slavic. Slavs were allies of Avars and some Slavs reached high positions in Avar society.
This samples were 0% mongoloid, and pure NE Europeans.

This is their gedmatch result


Eurogenes K15:

1 Baltic 32.91
2 North_Sea 22.32
3 Atlantic 20.8
4 Eastern_Euro 19
5 West_Med 4.96

Single Population Sharing:

1 Belorussian 5.28
2 Polish 5.62
3 Estonian_Polish 5.92
4 Lithuanian 6.53
5 Russian_Smolensk 6.72
6 Estonian 7.03
7 South_Polish 8.01
8 Southwest_Russian 8.63
9 Ukrainian 9
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.51
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.8
12 Kargopol_Russian 13.08
13 Southwest_Finnish 13.24
14 Finnish 13.34
15 Croatian 13.93
16 East_Finnish 14.23
17 La_Brana-1 14.94
18 Erzya 15.69
19 Hungarian 15.71
20 East_German 16.04

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


1 Baltic 50.53
2 North_Atlantic 34.13
3 West_Med 10.93
4 West_Asian 2.5
5 East_Med 1.72
6 Amerindian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

1 Estonian 5.69
2 Belorussian 6.4
3 Polish 6.56
4 Lithuanian 6.8
5 Estonian_Polish 6.84
6 Russian_Smolensk 7.11
7 Finnish 9.45
8 Southwest_Finnish 9.72
9 South_Polish 9.75
10 Ukrainian 9.75
11 Southwest_Russian 10.04
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.56
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.27
14 East_Finnish 11.29
15 Kargopol_Russian 11.8
16 Erzya 14.94
17 North_Swedish 16.26
18 Croatian 16.7
19 La_Brana-1 17.45
20 East_German 17.64

[Jana]

So a pretty bad fit then, looks like. Would have to find other components.

Yes, it's bad fit or you. Everything above 3 is bad fit.

[Jana]

we don't do y-dna test but in morleydna and wegene, j2a2.

That's most likely Greek or Anatolian.

[karakartal]

That's most likely Greek or Anatolian.

My father's knownly ancestry they family live anatolia and ottoman empire send their family in balkans. they are muslim&turk. but they mix with balkan natives i think.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

You, i mean your father is now entitled to Greek or Bulgarian passport. submit your application. Don't forget to print your gedmatch results.

Evropali kartal :p

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yes, it's bad fit or you. Everything above 3 is bad fit.

Are you familiar with any population references I could compare myself with? Ie. ones potentially best suited for Greeks in a general sense

[Jana]

Are you familiar with any population references I could compare myself with? Ie. ones potentially best suited for Greeks in a general sense

Mycenean for ancient Greeks, Iron Age Bulgaria for possible Thracian input, you can also use Iron Age Croatia (HRV) for Illyrian input if there is any.
Collegno MA 1 (ITA)is medieval Roman, and there must be some Anatolian samples in there, they can be potentially very useful. I see there is Iron age Anatolia and Bronze Age Anatolia (Turkey) too.
For Slavic input there is also Early Czech Slav other than Avar Szolad.

[Thracian]

Mycenean for ancient Greeks, Iron Age Bulgaria for possible Thracian input, you can also use Iron Age Croatia (HRV) for Illyrian input if there is any.
Collegno MA 1 (ITA)is medieval Roman, and there must be some Anatolian samples in there, they can be potentially very useful. I see there is Iron age Anatolia and Bronze Age Anatolia (Turkey) too.
For Slavic input there is also Early Czech Slav other than Avar Szolad.

Anatolia_IA has Mongoloid DNA. They didn't do C-14 test to determine exact date. It could be an Anatolian Turk.

[Kaspias]

Another model for Bulgarians, now using Myceneans instead of Romans:

sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.5117,

"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 47.5,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 27.5,
"BGR_IA": 17.5,
"Tatar": 7.5,

I get slightly worse fit when using ancient Greeks. So first model was better.

That is not a correct modelling.

{
"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.4765,
"Scythian_MDA": 52.5,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 34.17,
"BGR_IA": 7.5,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 5.83,


Bulgarian average is 35% Early Slavic, Scythian_MDA is a proxy for Thracians, slight Mycenaean admixture comes from Thracian-Greek mix, not direct Bulgarian-Greek mix.

This is modelling of Thracian, 1/2 of his ancestry from Bulgarian Thrace, 1/4 Central Bulgaria, 1/4 N. Macedonia

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Thracian",
"fit": 1.506,
"Scythian_MDA": 55,
"Iranian_Fars": 21.67,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 14.17,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 9.17,


The thing we should remember, Thracians were also carrying some Slav. So yes, it seems accurate that claiming Bulgarians 20-40% Slav.

[Jana]

Since when is Scythian proxy for Thracians and what is this sample ? Scythians ranged from half mongoloids to East Slavic like and this label is applied to everyone in eurasian steppe.
I never heard Thracians were related with Slavs or Scythians, Bulgarian IA is much better candidate for Thracians (with possible Greek influence)

[Jana]

Okay you're using Scythians from Moldova who were not like proper Scythians but those were much more southern shifted.
It is possible (and logical) those were mixed with Thracians due to their Balkan input, but for sure not pure Thracians. This sample looked like very mixed steppe-balkanic population and not representative of anything.

In any case, my first model has better fit than yours.



"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.2504,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 42.5,
"BGR_IA": 25.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 25.83,
"Tatar": 5.83,

[Kaspias]

Since when is Scythian proxy for Thracians and what is this sample ? Scythians ranged from half mongoloids to East Slavic like and this label is applied to everyone in eurasian steppe.
I never heard Thracians were related with Slavs or Scythians, Bulgarian IA is much better candidate for Thracians (with possible Greek influence)


Okay you're using Scythians from Moldova who were not like proper Scythians but those were much more southern shifted.
It is possible (and logical) those were mixed with Thracians due to their Balkan input, but for sure not pure Thracians. This sample looked like very mixed steppe-balkanic population and not representative of anything.

In any case, my first model has better fit than yours.



"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.2504,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 42.5,
"BGR_IA": 25.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 25.83,
"Tatar": 5.83,

BGR_IA is a remnant of bronze age. Thracians came from Steppe. Scythian_MDA is the closest sample we have to the Thracians. Probably they moved south and mixed with native Greek population, formed Thracia.

I can also make a model for Bulgarians who will get lower fit but it won't be logical. Otherwise, why don't we use full gradient runs? In your model, Szolad represent Steppe admixture solely, BGR_IA is very similar to the Collegno so using both of them at the same time is meaningless. Both are a stabilizer against the Steppe input. Tatar is also meaningless since Bulgarians have nothing to do with Tatars, it just brings some more Slavic.

[Jana]

BGR_IA is a remnant of bronze age. Thracians came from Steppe. Scythian_MDA is the closest sample we have to the Thracians. Probably they moved south and mixed with native Greek population, formed Thracia.

I can also make a model for Bulgarians who will get lower fit but it won't be logical. Otherwise, why don't we use full gradient runs? In your model, Szolad represent Steppe admixture solely, BGR_IA is very similar to the Collegno so using both of them at the same time is meaningless. Both are a stabilizer against the Steppe input. Tatar is also meaningless since Bulgarians have nothing to do with Tatars, it just brings some more Slavic.

How is Tatar meaningless ? It's obviously to measure old Bulgar ancestry, and Volga Tatars live in Old Bulgar region.
Thracians were native Balkanites, all IE people came from steppe including Greeks and Romans and they were almost fully southern genetically due to absorbing local neolithic population.

These Scythians from Moldova are close to modern Serbs according to what I have seen and modern Serbs are for sure nowhere close to being Thracians.

Szolad is not steppe admixture, it is Slavic admixture. It is medieval sample from Hungary and these samples were pure Slavs.
Bulgarians are more southern than proper Slavs and that is due to their native blood.

There was elite BA Bulgarian sample which was posssibly proto Thracian and clustered with Russians, but it is obvious in Iron Age they were already much different after absorbing natives and his YDNA is today super rare in Bulgarians meaning guys like him left not much impact. Bulgarian Iron Age was E1b (very common Bulgarian haplgroup) and being southern european genetically it is perfect mix with medieval Slavs to give modern Bulgarian result.

There was also Roman admixture in Balkans and that is well known, if there was none algorithm would reject Roman samples (like it rejects Tatar in North Macedonians) but it doesn't, I get excellent fit.

[Kaspias]

How is Tatar meaningless ? It's obviously to measure old Bulgar ancestry, and Volga Tatars live in Old Bulgar region.
Thracians were native Balkanites, all IE people came from steppe including Greeks and Romans and they were almost fully southern genetically due to absorbing local neolithic population.

These Scythians from Moldova are close to modern Serbs according to what I have seen and modern Serbs are for sure nowhere close to being Thracians.

Szolad is not steppe admixture, it is Slavic admixture. It is medieval sample from Hungary and these samples were pure Slavs.
Bulgarians are more southern than proper Slavs and that is due to their native blood.

There was elite BA Bulgarian sample which was posssibly proto Thracian and clustered with Russians, but it is obvious in Iron Age they were already much different after absorbing natives and his YDNA is today super rare in Bulgarians meaning guys like him left not much impact. Bulgarian Iron Age was E1b (very common Bulgarian haplgroup) and being southern european genetically it is perfect mix with medieval Slavs to give modern Bulgarian result.

There was also Roman admixture in Balkans and that is well known, if there was none algorithm would reject Roman samples (like it rejects Tatar in North Macedonians) but it doesn't, I get excellent fit.

Do you really think modern Bulgarians have still genetic impact from their Turkic ancestors? Their genes are absorbed. Volga Tatars have completely different genetic than Bulgarians since they also mixed with natives of region for years, they are not Bulgars.

How come it is close to the modern Serbs?

https://i.ibb.co/SJxXJv6/Ads-z.png


There was elite BA Bulgarian sample which was posssibly proto Thracian and clustered with Russians, but it is obvious in Iron Age they were already much different after absorbing natives and his YDNA is today super rare in Bulgarians meaning guys like him left not much impact. Bulgarian Iron Age was E1b (very common Bulgarian haplgroup) and being southern european genetically it is perfect mix with medieval Slavs to give modern Bulgarian result.


>Proto Thracian
>Clustering with Russians

You should pick only one. Natives of Balkans were farmers, Greeks mixed with them, Thracians came and mixed with Greeks. Slavs came and mixed with Thracians, Turkic Bulgars came and mixed with Slavs. They were just ruler-class and as i stated their genes absorbed in a short time.

Romans have nothing to do with Balkan ethnics, their mix have never reached mass amounts.

[karakartal]

You, i mean your father is now entitled to Greek or Bulgarian passport. submit your application. Don't forget to print your gedmatch results.

Evropali kartal :p

really? so good mate..

[karakartal]

Do you really think modern Bulgarians have still genetic impact from their Turkic ancestors? Their genes are absorbed. Volga Tatars have completely different genetic than Bulgarians since they also mixed with natives of region for years, they are not Bulgars.

How come it is close to the modern Serbs?

https://i.ibb.co/SJxXJv6/Ads-z.png



>Proto Thracian
>Clustering with Russians

You should pick only one. Natives of Balkans were farmers, Greeks mixed with them, Thracians came and mixed with Greeks. Slavs came and mixed with Thracians, Turkic Bulgars came and mixed with Slavs. They were just ruler-class and as i stated their genes absorbed in a short time.

Romans have nothing to do with Balkan ethnics, their mix have never reached mass amounts.

what about my father's mixture? is he have thracian and slav effect?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Mycenean for ancient Greeks, Iron Age Bulgaria for possible Thracian input, you can also use Iron Age Croatia (HRV) for Illyrian input if there is any.
Collegno MA 1 (ITA)is medieval Roman, and there must be some Anatolian samples in there, they can be potentially very useful. I see there is Iron age Anatolia and Bronze Age Anatolia (Turkey) too.
For Slavic input there is also Early Czech Slav other than Avar Szolad.

I messed around and got this so far, but I will keep trying new ones


[
{
"sample": "Custom:Markos_scaled",
"fit": 1.7983,
"ARM_Areni_C": 33.33,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 33.33,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 17.5,
"BGR_IA": 15.83,
"closestDistances": [
"BGR_IA:I5769: 5.678416",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 5.876615",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1632: 6.552332",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1634: 6.712202",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1631: 6.786840",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 7.174258",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 7.804979",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1407: 8.030481",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 9.203202",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 11.988393",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 14.364338"
]
}
]

[Jana]

Do you really think modern Bulgarians have still genetic impact from their Turkic ancestors? Their genes are absorbed. Volga Tatars have completely different genetic than Bulgarians since they also mixed with natives of region for years, they are not Bulgars.

How come it is close to the modern Serbs?

https://i.ibb.co/SJxXJv6/Ads-z.png



>Proto Thracian
>Clustering with Russians

You should pick only one. Natives of Balkans were farmers, Greeks mixed with them, Thracians came and mixed with Greeks. Slavs came and mixed with Thracians, Turkic Bulgars came and mixed with Slavs. They were just ruler-class and as i stated their genes absorbed in a short time.

Romans have nothing to do with Balkan ethnics, their mix have never reached mass amounts.

It is only your assumption this Moldovan sample represent Thracians, but you have absolutely no proof.
You also have no proof Roman admixture is non existant in Balkans, since in Iberia it is actually very significant and Latin language came with Latin blood. I see no reason here it was different.
Maybe you are right, but it isn't known as long as Balkan medieval paper comes out.

And I doubt Volga Tatars have nothing to with Bulgars. It in interesting how Bulgarian samples register this minor admix , but North Macedonian don't.
That is because they have something close to that. If they didn't, it would be rejected just like with Macedonians.

[Jana]

I messed around and got this so far, but I will keep trying new ones


[
{
"sample": "Custom:Markos_scaled",
"fit": 1.7983,
"ARM_Areni_C": 33.33,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 33.33,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 17.5,
"BGR_IA": 15.83,
"closestDistances": [
"BGR_IA:I5769: 5.678416",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 5.876615",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1632: 6.552332",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1634: 6.712202",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1631: 6.786840",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 7.174258",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 7.804979",
"ARM_Areni_C:I1407: 8.030481",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 9.203202",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 11.988393",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 14.364338"
]
}
]

Nice start, very good fit :)

[Rgvgjhvv]

Nice start, very good fit :)

33% Greek 33% Armenian 33% Balkan/East European, or whatever you can simplify it to, seems a bit too all over the place to be accurate haha.

It's for fun anyway though I guess.

[Ayetooey]

33% Greek 33% Armenian 33% Balkan/East European, or whatever you can simplify it to, seems a bit too all over the place to be accurate haha.

It's for fun anyway though I guess.

Maybe swap the Armenia for something Anatolian it might get you a more accurate fit.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Maybe swap the Armenia for something Anatolian it might get you a more accurate fit.

All farther than Armenia. Haven't been able to find a closer fit yet.

[Vojnik]

"sample": "Custom:Vojnik_scaled",
"fit": 1.935,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 53.33,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 46.67,
"closestDistances": [
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 8.132656",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 8.883890",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 9.485942",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 10.297874",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 10.546846",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 11.544265"

Good fit.

[Jana]

"sample": "Custom:Vojnik_scaled",
"fit": 1.935,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 53.33,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 46.67,
"closestDistances": [
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1: 8.132656",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 8.883890",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 9.485942",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 10.297874",
"HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2: 10.546846",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 11.544265"

Good fit.

Try using Bulgarian Iron Age instead, because natives of North Macedonia weren't pure Greeks, they clustered more north. This way nMonte gives you too much Slavic to compensate.