Half Turk half Bosniak DNA results

[Kayra]

I have been lurking in this forum for a long time, learned a lot of new things, thought time to register here and share my results too.

Father is 3/4 from Momchilgrad, Northern Thrace. 1/4 From Ormenio, Western Thrace. Ethnic Turk.
Mother is from Novi Pazar. Ethnic Bosniak.


FTDNA:

71% European -> 51% Southeast Europe, 20% West and Central Europe
21% Middle Eastern -> 21% Asia Minor
The rest is Siberia, Central Asia


y-DNA: N-VL67


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.96
2 Baltic 18.75
3 East_Med 15.78
4 West_Med 13.86
5 West_Asian 12.63
6 Siberian 5.37
7 East_Asian 3.22
8 Red_Sea 2.88
9 South_Asian 1.32
10 Oceanian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.57
2 Bulgarian 9.93
3 Serbian 10.02
4 Greek_Thessaly 13.6
5 Moldavian 15.16
6 Hungarian 15.51
7 North_Italian 15.79
8 Tuscan 15.8
9 Italian_Abruzzo 16.43
10 Austrian 17.22
11 Croatian 17.94
12 West_German 18.36
13 French 18.38
14 West_Sicilian 18.57
15 Central_Greek 18.61
16 East_German 19.41
17 East_Sicilian 19.66
18 South_Dutch 19.75
19 Portuguese 19.76
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Tuscan + 40.5% Tatar @ 4.69
2 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% Kirgiz @ 5.12
3 83.7% Romanian + 16.3% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.14
4 89.8% Romanian + 10.2% Mongolian @ 5.28
5 86.7% Romanian + 13.3% Kazakh @ 5.29
6 84.6% Romanian + 15.4% Uygur @ 5.37
7 58.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 41.4% Tatar @ 5.47
8 85.7% Romanian + 14.3% Hazara @ 5.47
9 91.1% Romanian + 8.9% Buryat @ 5.49
10 80.8% Serbian + 19.2% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.51
11 89.4% Romanian + 10.6% Altaian @ 5.55
12 82.7% Romanian + 17.3% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.56
13 92.4% Romanian + 7.6% Oroqen @ 5.61
14 84% Romanian + 16% Uzbeki @ 5.64
15 90.8% Romanian + 9.2% Tuvinian @ 5.66
16 63.4% Austrian + 36.6% Turkish @ 5.71
17 92% Romanian + 8% Hezhen @ 5.77
18 91.9% Romanian + 8.1% Xibo @ 5.78
19 78.6% Serbian + 21.4% Turkmen @ 5.84
20 68.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.8% East_Finnish @ 5.85


MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.42
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.09
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.08
4 South_Central_Asian 6.45
5 Near_East 4.95
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.45
7 Tungus-Altaic 3.43
8 Paleo_Siberian 2.04
9 North_African 1.83
10 East_Siberian 1.68
11 South_East_Asian 1.33
12 South_Indian 0.66
13 Austronesian 0.46
14 African_Pygmy 0.46
15 Australoid 0.3
16 Arctic 0.2
17 Amerindian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 6.26
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.96
3 Slovenian ( ) 7.03
4 Hungarian ( ) 7.21
5 Czech ( ) 7.81
6 Serb_BH ( ) 7.89
7 Croat ( ) 8
8 Bosnian ( ) 8.05
9 Montenegrian ( ) 8.23
10 Slovak ( ) 8.81
11 Croat_BH ( ) 8.84
12 Austrian ( ) 9.36
13 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.98
14 Bulgarian ( ) 9.98
15 Macedonian ( ) 10.43
16 Kashub ( ) 10.6
17 Sorb ( ) 11.48
18 German ( ) 12.07
19 Italian_North ( ) 12.16
20 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 39.9% Norwegian_West ( ) @ 2.59
2 60.2% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 39.8% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 2.63
3 54.3% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 45.7% Swede ( ) @ 2.65
4 56.5% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 43.5% Norwegian_East ( ) @ 2.68
5 52% North_German ( ) + 48% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.68
6 58.4% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 41.6% Swede ( ) @ 2.76
7 56.1% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 43.9% Dane ( ) @ 2.77
8 52% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 48% Dane ( ) @ 2.77
9 60.3% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 39.7% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 2.79
10 57.4% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 42.6% North_European ( ) @ 2.85
11 65.7% Austrian ( ) + 34.3% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.88
12 53% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 47% Belgian ( ) @ 2.9
13 56.7% German-Volga ( ) + 43.3% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.9
14 58.3% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 41.7% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 2.9
15 55.4% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 44.6% English ( ) @ 2.96
16 50.5% Dutch ( ) + 49.5% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.97
17 54% South_German ( ) + 46% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.98
18 80.9% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 19.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) @ 3.02
19 52.1% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 47.9% North_German ( ) @ 3.03
20 60.6% Turk_Balikesir ( ) + 39.4% Norwegian_East ( ) @ 3.15



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 30.41
2 Atlantic_Med 25.76
3 Caucasus 20.99
4 Gedrosia 9.14
5 Southwest_Asian 5.47
6 East_Asian 4.55
7 Siberian 2.78
8 South_Asian 0.79
9 Southeast_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 11.36
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.84
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.73
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.32
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17
6 Hungarians (Behar) 18.51
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.6
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.94
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.46
10 Greek (Dodecad) 19.52
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.08
12 German (Dodecad) 21.37
13 French (Dodecad) 22.19
14 French (HGDP) 22.36
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.83
16 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.22
17 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.39
18 Dutch (Dodecad) 24.65
19 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 25
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 49.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.53
2 56.8% French (HGDP) + 43.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4.76
3 58.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 41.8% Turks (Behar) @ 4.94
4 57% Dutch (Dodecad) + 43% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.01
5 52% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 48% Turks (Behar) @ 5.04
6 55.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 44.9% Turks (Behar) @ 5.22
7 60.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 39.8% Turks (Behar) @ 5.29
8 59% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 41% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.34
9 60.7% German (Dodecad) + 39.3% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.43
10 53.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 46.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.46
11 61.9% German (Dodecad) + 38.1% Turks (Behar) @ 5.49
12 56.6% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 43.4% Turks (Behar) @ 5.51
13 52.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 47.3% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.52
14 56.5% English (Dodecad) + 43.5% Turks (Behar) @ 5.54
15 50.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 49.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.62
16 55.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 44.6% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.63
17 53.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 46.1% Turks (Behar) @ 5.64
18 55.3% English (Dodecad) + 44.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.67
19 56.9% Kent (1000Genomes) + 43.1% Turks (Behar) @ 5.68
20 52.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 47.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.81



PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 37.78
2 Mediterranean 27.3
3 Caucasian 17.45
4 SW_Asian 6.28
5 E_Asian 5.03
6 Siberian 2.62
7 Horn_Of_Africa 1.83
8 S_Indian 1.26
9 Beringian 0.34
10 S_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 7.21
2 Macedonian 7.9
3 Bulgarian 8.57
4 Romanian 9.02
5 Montenegrin 9.81
6 Serbian 11.36
7 Greek_Thessaly 11.96
8 Italian 12.22
9 Greek_Central 13.58
10 Albanian 13.63
11 Tuscan 15.08
12 Croatian 15.34
13 French 15.86
14 South_German 16.97
15 Hungarian 17.05
16 Brazilian 17.68
17 Utahn_White 17.74
18 Spaniard 18.24
19 Austrian 18.39
20 Slovenian 18.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.2% Macedonian + 14.8% Hazara @ 2.66
2 84.6% Macedonian + 15.4% Uyghur @ 2.72
3 86.2% Bosnian + 13.8% Uyghur @ 3.13
4 86.9% Bosnian + 13.1% Hazara @ 3.22
5 90.5% Bosnian + 9.5% Mongolian @ 3.31
6 83.6% Romanian + 16.4% Hazara @ 3.37
7 83% Romanian + 17% Uyghur @ 3.44
8 92.1% Bosnian + 7.9% Burmese @ 3.57
9 84.6% Bulgarian + 15.4% Hazara @ 3.59
10 89.6% Macedonian + 10.4% Mongolian @ 3.59
11 84% Bulgarian + 16% Uyghur @ 3.67
12 93.7% Bosnian + 6.3% Chinese @ 3.74
13 91.3% Macedonian + 8.7% Burmese @ 3.78
14 93.6% Bosnian + 6.4% Vietnamese @ 3.86
15 93.1% Bosnian + 6.9% Cambodian @ 3.87
16 93.2% Bosnian + 6.8% Filipino @ 3.88
17 83.7% Macedonian + 16.3% Uzbek @ 3.91
18 93.1% Bosnian + 6.9% Singaporean @ 3.93
19 94.2% Bosnian + 5.8% Japanese @ 4
20 84.6% Bosnian + 15.4% Turkmen @ 4.13

[Thracian]

Welcome to forum.

Can you also share Eurogenes k15 Oracle-4?

[gültekin]

hello, fellow VL-67

do you know your father's side origin story from Anatolia ?
Did you get VL-67 via snp test or Big-Y? can you tell your kitnummer, are you participating in a ftdna-project?

[Kayra]

Welcome to forum.

Can you also share Eurogenes k15 Oracle-4?

Of course,

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 17.40
2 Atlantic 15.11
3 East_Med 13.91
4 West_Asian 11.09
5 Baltic 11.07
6 West_Med 10.22
7 Eastern_Euro 9.74
8 Siberian 4.46
9 Southeast_Asian 3.04
10 Red_Sea 2.73
11 South_Asian 1.14


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 7.766023
2 Serbian @ 8.509992
3 Bulgarian @ 9.802258
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 14.071735
5 Moldavian @ 14.456217
6 Austrian @ 15.530296
7 Hungarian @ 15.545082
8 Greek @ 15.937638
9 Tuscan @ 16.612850
10 Croatian @ 16.786787
11 North_Italian @ 17.408924
12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.840700
13 Ashkenazi @ 18.818144
14 East_German @ 19.514114
15 Central_Greek @ 19.739189
16 French @ 20.164091
17 West_Sicilian @ 20.251545
18 East_Sicilian @ 20.494209
19 West_German @ 21.209955
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.235052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +50% South_Italian @ 5.522890


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Swedish +25% Tatar @ 2.699791


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian + French + Nogay @ 2.522263
2 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Swedish + South_Italian + Tatar @ 2.596149
3 Central_Greek + North_Swedish + South_Italian + Tatar @ 2.607592
4 Estonian + French + Italian_Jewish + Nogay @ 2.607750
5 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + Polish + West_German @ 2.618777
6 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Orcadian + Tatar @ 2.683297
7 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + North_German + Tatar @ 2.684477
8 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + North_Swedish + Serbian @ 2.684683
9 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Swedish + Tatar @ 2.699791
10 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + South_Polish + West_German @ 2.707388
11 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Tatar @ 2.709726
12 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.728287
13 Algerian_Jewish + Austrian + Nogay + North_Swedish @ 2.731900
14 Algerian_Jewish + Finnish + French + Nogay @ 2.743854
15 Cyprian + Romanian + Southwest_English + Tatar @ 2.749714
16 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + Ukrainian + West_German @ 2.756287
17 Cyprian + Orcadian + Romanian + Tatar @ 2.757466
18 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Nogay + North_Swedish @ 2.781884
19 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + Danish + Tatar @ 2.789583
20 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Norwegian + Tatar @ 2.790828

Done.

Elapsed time 1.2569 seconds.

Also mixed mode:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Serbian + 17.3% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.1
2 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.13
3 82.5% Serbian + 17.5% Uzbeki @ 4.29
4 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% Mongolian @ 4.3
5 84.6% Serbian + 15.4% Hazara @ 4.3
6 60.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.3% East_Finnish @ 4.43
7 90.2% Romanian + 9.8% Altaian @ 4.45
8 91.4% Romanian + 8.6% Tuvinian @ 4.49
9 84.1% Serbian + 15.9% Uygur @ 4.5
10 91.9% Romanian + 8.1% Buryat @ 4.5
11 79.2% Serbian + 20.8% Nogay @ 4.52
12 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Hakas @ 4.57
13 84.8% Romanian + 15.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.6
14 83.4% Romanian + 16.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.6
15 93.1% Romanian + 6.9% Oroqen @ 4.61
16 85.7% Romanian + 14.3% Uygur @ 4.66
17 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Uzbeki @ 4.71
18 86.4% Romanian + 13.6% Hazara @ 4.72
19 89.2% Romanian + 10.8% Shors @ 4.73
20 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Mongolian @ 4.78

[Kayra]

hello, fellow VL-67

do you know your father's side origin story from Anatolia ?
Did you get VL-67 via snp test or Big-Y? can you tell your kitnummer, are you participating in a ftdna-project?

Hi,

All known ancestors born in the locations which i stated. Migrated Turkey in 1990s. I don't know their past. I have tested with YSEQ Alpha-Beta, then VL67 SNP Pack to confirm if i'm in VL67 or not. I'm not in FTDNA currently, unfortunately.

[Thracian]

Of course,

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 17.40
2 Atlantic 15.11
3 East_Med 13.91
4 West_Asian 11.09
5 Baltic 11.07
6 West_Med 10.22
7 Eastern_Euro 9.74
8 Siberian 4.46
9 Southeast_Asian 3.04
10 Red_Sea 2.73
11 South_Asian 1.14


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 7.766023
2 Serbian @ 8.509992
3 Bulgarian @ 9.802258
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 14.071735
5 Moldavian @ 14.456217
6 Austrian @ 15.530296
7 Hungarian @ 15.545082
8 Greek @ 15.937638
9 Tuscan @ 16.612850
10 Croatian @ 16.786787
11 North_Italian @ 17.408924
12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.840700
13 Ashkenazi @ 18.818144
14 East_German @ 19.514114
15 Central_Greek @ 19.739189
16 French @ 20.164091
17 West_Sicilian @ 20.251545
18 East_Sicilian @ 20.494209
19 West_German @ 21.209955
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.235052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +50% South_Italian @ 5.522890


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Swedish +25% Tatar @ 2.699791


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian + French + Nogay @ 2.522263
2 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Swedish + South_Italian + Tatar @ 2.596149
3 Central_Greek + North_Swedish + South_Italian + Tatar @ 2.607592
4 Estonian + French + Italian_Jewish + Nogay @ 2.607750
5 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + Polish + West_German @ 2.618777
6 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Orcadian + Tatar @ 2.683297
7 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + North_German + Tatar @ 2.684477
8 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + North_Swedish + Serbian @ 2.684683
9 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Swedish + Tatar @ 2.699791
10 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + South_Polish + West_German @ 2.707388
11 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Tatar @ 2.709726
12 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.728287
13 Algerian_Jewish + Austrian + Nogay + North_Swedish @ 2.731900
14 Algerian_Jewish + Finnish + French + Nogay @ 2.743854
15 Cyprian + Romanian + Southwest_English + Tatar @ 2.749714
16 Algerian_Jewish + Nogay + Ukrainian + West_German @ 2.756287
17 Cyprian + Orcadian + Romanian + Tatar @ 2.757466
18 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Nogay + North_Swedish @ 2.781884
19 Ashkenazi + Central_Greek + Danish + Tatar @ 2.789583
20 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Norwegian + Tatar @ 2.790828

Done.

Elapsed time 1.2569 seconds.

Also mixed mode:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Serbian + 17.3% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.1
2 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.13
3 82.5% Serbian + 17.5% Uzbeki @ 4.29
4 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% Mongolian @ 4.3
5 84.6% Serbian + 15.4% Hazara @ 4.3
6 60.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.3% East_Finnish @ 4.43
7 90.2% Romanian + 9.8% Altaian @ 4.45
8 91.4% Romanian + 8.6% Tuvinian @ 4.49
9 84.1% Serbian + 15.9% Uygur @ 4.5
10 91.9% Romanian + 8.1% Buryat @ 4.5
11 79.2% Serbian + 20.8% Nogay @ 4.52
12 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Hakas @ 4.57
13 84.8% Romanian + 15.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.6
14 83.4% Romanian + 16.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.6
15 93.1% Romanian + 6.9% Oroqen @ 4.61
16 85.7% Romanian + 14.3% Uygur @ 4.66
17 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Uzbeki @ 4.71
18 86.4% Romanian + 13.6% Hazara @ 4.72
19 89.2% Romanian + 10.8% Shors @ 4.73
20 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Mongolian @ 4.78

Thank you.

You are just only half Balkan Turk but you almost have 3 times higher East Asian+Amerindian+Siberian than me on Eurogenes K13. I also have almost 3 times higher South Asian than you. I guess we have to consider about Turkish migrations to Balkans again. According to Eurogenes K15, your Turkic side is northerner than Turkmens. It explains why you have more Mongoloid and less South Asian. There are many Balkan Turks like that. I guess the first Turkic groups who settled in the Balkans were different than the others who came after Celali rebellions.

[gültekin]

Hi,

All known ancestors born in the locations which i stated. Migrated Turkey in 1990s. I don't know their past. I have tested with YSEQ Alpha-Beta, then VL67 SNP Pack to confirm if i'm in VL67 or not. I'm not in FTDNA currently, unfortunately.
here, you can compare your STR's with other VL-67's in case you have already yours.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults

[gültekin]

+
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/N%20Russia%20%20DNA%20Project?iframe=yresults

[Kayra]

Thank you.

You are just only half Balkan Turk but you almost have 3 times higher East Asian+Amerindian+Siberian than me on Eurogenes K13. I also have almost 3 times higher South Asian than you. I guess we have to consider about Turkish migrations to Balkans again. According to Eurogenes K15, your Turkic side is northerner than Turkmens. It explains why you have more Mongoloid and less South Asian. There are many Balkan Turks like that. I guess the first Turkic groups who settled in the Balkans were different than the others who came after Celali rebellions.

Yes, i also realized that while some Balkan Turks have 3-4% Mongoloid admixture the others have around 10 and even more than 10. I don't think it is about mixing with natives, it supposed to be because of the variation of the primary Turkic ancestor. Some have more South Asian, some more Eastern shifted than usual(the ones who carry ~20% West Asian), some modelling like 90% native + 10% Mongolian but not Turkmen. It is actually clear Balkan Turks didn't have only one migration source. There is also a Cuman/Pecheneg factor too. As far as i remember, a member of this forum had a similar Mongoloid score to me despite he is only half Turk too.


here, you can compare your STR's with other VL-67's in case you have already yours.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults


+
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/N%20Russia%20%20DNA%20Project?iframe=yresults


Thank you! I'm going to check soon.

[Jana]

Welcome, very interesting results. I am curious how would your Bosniak side plot. Based on this pretty differently than standard Sandžaklija, who are closest to Albanians.
Your autosomal is more northern than that and I would think one parent may have close result to Bosniaks from BiH.

[Unchained]

There is no such thing as an ethnic Bosniak (considering that any slavic-speaking muslim gets labeled as such these days), particularly not in Sandzak. Based on what you just posted right here, I'd wager your mother is mostly or entirely of Serbian ancestry as opposed to Albanian which is common in Novi Pazar. Still, it's all just speculation unless we got to see her own results too.

[itilvolga]

Foruma hoşgeldin! :)
I found your results interesting although i am not into genetics nor good at it. I really wonder how will user Kaspias interpret your results since he is one of the best users about it here.

[Sora]

Your Mongoloid(Siberian + East Asian + Southeast Asian) admixture is 2x higher than most of the full Balkan Turks.
:eek2: :eek2: While most of the full Balkan Turks have less Mongoloid than 1/2 Balkan Turks. The Balkan Turk results I've seen are mostly around 4%-10%. But there are the ones who are over 10% also.

[Pater Patota]

You have got quite high Siberian-East Asian(Turkic-Mongoloid)admixture, nice results anyway.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Balkan Turks are the true Turks. MORE PURE

[Ayetooey]

Muslims from Sandzak are not "Bosniaks" and they have no connection to Bosnia, they are combination of local Serb converts, and Albanian clansmen who migrated from the Malesia region in Montenegro. Your Sandzak side is clearly pretty close to Serbs based off your oracles; this is uncommon as vast majority of Novi Pazar Muslims are Albanians originally, with over 70% of the now defunct Sandzak dna projects Y dna lines (which were mainly from Novi Pazar) tracing back to Albanian clans like Kelmendi, Kuci etc.

Sandzak Y dna stats. Pretty different to Bosniaks who are over 70% slavic paternally (i2a and r1a).

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58961578_681408022278031_399460240887644160_n.jpg? _nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=4078c83f3d835e1aa869d156465a7bfa&oe=5D771612

[Karaton]

Foruma hoşgeldin.

Doğu Avrasya oranın yarı Boşnak bir Balkan Türküne göre biraz yüksek görünüyor. Baba tarafında Tatarlık olmadığına emin misin?

Ayrıca şu projeye katılmanı tavsiye ederim: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/oghuz-turks/about

Sonuçların istatistiklere eklenir. FB grubuna üye olursan yakınlık sonucunu da atarlar. Gedmatch'tan daha gelişmiş oracle'leri var.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

Tatarlik var bence de.

[karakartal]

I think your high Eastern Eurasian admixture came from Momchilgrad and Ormenio.

[Leto]

How much Siberian are you on FTDNA?

[Kaspias]

Hoşgeldin, mesaj kutunu kontrol et. :)

Your results in the same parallel with the ethnicities which you stated. I'm going to prepare a 4-Oracle for you, actually it is already ready but have to add Bosniak samples from BiH and Sandzak to make results more clear.

On the other hand, we have almost same East Eurasian admixture although we both only half Turk. Here you can see the averages, Momchilgrad samples in the Bulgarian-Thrace-Rhodopes component.

https://i.ibb.co/VwSRPB2/eurasianadmixturesansur.jpg

[Kayra]

Foruma hoşgeldin! :)
I found your results interesting although i am not into genetics nor good at it. I really wonder how will user Kaspias interpret your results since he is one of the best users about it here.

Hoşbulduk, teşekkür ederim. :)


Foruma hoşgeldin.

Doğu Avrasya oranın yarı Boşnak bir Balkan Türküne göre biraz yüksek görünüyor. Baba tarafında Tatarlık olmadığına emin misin?

Ayrıca şu projeye katılmanı tavsiye ederim: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/oghuz-turks/about

Sonuçların istatistiklere eklenir. FB grubuna üye olursan yakınlık sonucunu da atarlar. Gedmatch'tan daha gelişmiş oracle'leri var.

Teşekkür ederim, Y sonucunu henüz FTDNA'ya taşımadım.


Tatarlik var bence de.

Bilinen Tatarlık yok.


How much Siberian are you on FTDNA?

5%

[Kayra]

This is what i got from Kaspias, amazing!


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,844614
2 Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_Sandzak @ 5,258875
3 Albanian_Bulgaria+Turk_Ivaylovgrad @ 5,322974
4 Turk_Kavala+Turk_Ivaylovgrad @ 5,374945
5 Turk_Serres+Turk_Razgrad @ 5,469887
6 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Serres @ 5,525927
7 Turk_Serres+Turk_Ivaylovgrad @ 5,53279
8 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_N,Macedonia-East @ 5,565727
9 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Kavala @ 5,615845
10 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Silistra @ 5,675159
11 Turk_Serres+Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace-North @ 5,694821
12 Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Albanian_Sandzak @ 5,708418
13 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Bosniak_Sandzak @ 5,739063
14 Turk_Eastern-Thrace+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 5,762759
15 Turk_Razgrad+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 5,773122
16 Turk_Razgrad+Turk_Silistra @ 5,787503
17 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Varna @ 5,828902
18 Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace-Rhodopes+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 5,848664
19 Turk_Kavala+Turk_Razgrad @ 5,896525
20 Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace-North+Turk_N,Macedonia-East @ 5,899852
820 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-South +25% Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,427077
2 50% Turk_Ivaylovgrad +25% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,642047
3 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North +25% Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,655925
4 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North +25% Pomak_Smolyan @ 4,705985
5 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North +25% Bosniak_Sandzak @ 4,723033
6 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-South +25% Bosniak_Sandzak @ 4,748208
7 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Turk_Kavala +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North @ 4,791517
8 50% Bosniak_BiH-North +25% Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace +25% Turk_Ivaylovgrad @ 4,810146
9 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-South +25% Pomak_Smolyan @ 4,821992
10 50% Bosniak_Sandzak +25% Tatar_Dobruja-South +25% Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,823037
11 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Turk_Serres +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North @ 4,842061
12 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Pomak_Bulgarian-Thrace +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North @ 4,843941
13 50% Turk_Ivaylovgrad +25% Bosniak_BiH-North +25% Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,844614
14 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Turk_Kavala +25% Tatar_Dobruja-South @ 4,857986
15 50% Turk_Ivaylovgrad +25% Turk_Serres +25% Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,862746
16 50% Bosniak_BiH-North +25% Tatar_Dobruja-South +25% Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,87152
17 50% Bosniak_Sandzak +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North +25% Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,874885
18 50% Turk_Kavala +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North +25% Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,906198
19 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North +25% Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,91128
20 50% Albanian_Bulgaria +25% Pomak_Drama +25% Tatar_Dobruja-North @ 4,912902
31980 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_ BiH-North @ 4,427077
2 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Albanian_Bulgaria+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_ BiH-North @ 4,580991
3 Albanian_Bulgaria+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Turk_Ivaylovgra d+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,642047
4 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_ BiH-North @ 4,655925
5 Turk_Kavala+Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,662951
6 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Serres+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,667566
7 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Torbesh_Greece+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,690805
8 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria+Pomak_Sm olyan @ 4,705985
9 Turk_Serres+Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,712793
10 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Torbesh_Greece+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,714281
11 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace-Rhodopes+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,716265
12 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_ Sandzak @ 4,723033
13 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Varna+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,740981
14 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_ Sandzak @ 4,748208
15 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Kavala+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,761484
16 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North+Bosniak_Sandzak @ 4,780286
17 Turk_Kavala+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,791517
18 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Pomak_Smolyan+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,793073
19 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North+Albanian_Sandzak @ 4,794269
20 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_Sandzak+Albanian_S andzak @ 4,798744
21 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Kavala+Turk_Varna+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,804553
22 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_BiH-North+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,810146
23 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North+Albanian_Sandzak @ 4,812865
24 Turk_Serres+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_Sandzak @ 4,814704
25 Turk_Serres+Turk_Razgrad+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_ BiH-North @ 4,82018
26 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria+Pomak_Sm olyan @ 4,821992
27 Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_Sandzak+Bosniak_Sa ndzak @ 4,823037
28 Alevi-Turk_Bulgarian-Thrace+Turk_Kavala+Turk_Serres+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,832412
29 Turk_Kavala+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_Sandzak @ 4,835692
30 Turk_Serres+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,842061
31 Pomak_Bulgarian-Thrace+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,843941
32 Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosniak_BiH-North+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,844614
33 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Pomak_Smolyan+Albanian_San dzak @ 4,845885
34 Turk_Serres+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,848624
35 Turk_Razgrad+Albanian_Bulgaria+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bo sniak_BiH-North @ 4,850742
36 Pomak_Bulgarian-Thrace+Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_BiH-North @ 4,855482
37 Turk_Kavala+Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Albanian_Bulgaria @ 4,857986
38 Tatar_Dobruja-North+Albanian_Bulgaria+Torbesh_Greece+Bosniak_San dzak @ 4,858222
39 Turk_Serres+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Turk_Ivaylovgrad+Bosn iak_BiH-North @ 4,862746
40 Turk_Kavala+Tatar_Dobruja-South+Albanian_Bulgaria+Bosniak_Sandzak @ 4,862906
123410 iterations.

[Leto]

Do you have any phenotypical Mongoloid influence? Or do you look European?

[Kayra]

Do you have any phenotypical Mongoloid influence? Or do you look European?

Sent

[Kaspias]

This is what i got from Kaspias, amazing!

Seems Çirmen admixture shifted your Turk side to the Ivaylovgrad, this is the reason why you got it instead of Bulgarian-Thrace-Rhodopes. There is no much difference between these two samples though.

[Leto]

Muslims from Sandzak are not "Bosniaks" and they have no connection to Bosnia, they are combination of local Serb converts, and Albanian clansmen who migrated from the Malesia region in Montenegro. Your Sandzak side is clearly pretty close to Serbs based off your oracles; this is uncommon as vast majority of Novi Pazar Muslims are Albanians originally, with over 70% of the now defunct Sandzak dna projects Y dna lines (which were mainly from Novi Pazar) tracing back to Albanian clans like Kelmendi, Kuci etc.
But are they assimilated into Bosniak culture?

[Marmara]

But are they assimilated into Bosniak culture?

They are much more religious than Bosniaks afaik.

[Kaspias]

But are they assimilated into Bosniak culture?

They identify as Bosniak and have Bosniak culture. More religious than Bosniak average as Marmara said, even more religious than Turks.

[21993]

Welcome to the forum. Interesting results, I expected lower North Euro, Siberian, East Asian, Southeast Asian.

[Annihilus]

Welcome and congrats on your results, they are very interesting.

[Leto]

They identify as Bosniak and have Bosniak culture. More religious than Bosniak average as Marmara said, even more religious than Turks.
Then Bosniakness is not necessarily confined to Bosnia proper.