Russia starts delivery of S-400 missiles to Turkey

[Ülev]

First shipment of Russian S-400 systems delivered to Turkey

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/12/europe/turkey-russia-missiles-intl/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/shipment-russian-400-systems-delivered-turkey-190712081713100.html

[Westbrook]

Hard to figure why they would sell that to a NATO member, or why a NATO member would buy it. My first thought is that it's not even close to the best version and Russia doesn't care if we know everything about it.

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/40Wf8zLiifM

[Ülev]

in Russian language:


https://youtu.be/x9FS382LjU8

[Armenian Bishop]

https://armenianweekly.com/2019/07/09/pres-trump-is-about-to-damage-us-interests-just-to-please-erdogan/

Pres. Donald Trump is on the verge of making a serious mistake, jeopardizing the security of the United States and other NATO members if he decides not to sanction Turkey for purchasing Russian S-400 missiles which are incompatible with NATO military systems and expose the operational secrets of the latest F-35 U.S. air force jets.

The U.S. House of Representatives has passed three resolutions warning Turkey not to purchase the Russian missiles and has threatened to block the sale of F-35 jets to Turkey. In addition, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security officials have publicly announced that the United States will impose severe sanctions on Turkey for purchasing the Russian missiles. Pres. Trump, an indecisive man and fond of all dictators and particularly Turkey’s despotic President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is basically ignoring all his top advisors and the majority of Congress, allowing Turkey to violate the U.S. sanctions law.

On June 29, 2019, when the leaders of G-20 countries met in Osaka, Japan, Pres. Erdogan had a final chance to convince Pres. Trump not to punish Turkey for the purchase of the Russian missiles.

Here are excerpts of the alarming statements Pres. Trump made during his meeting with Pres. Erdogan in the presence of journalists:

Pres. Trump: “… It’s my honor to be with a friend of mine, somebody I’ve become very close to, in many respects, and he’s doing a very good job: the President of Turkey. And we have a meeting largely to do with trade. We’re doing more and more business, and we expect to be able to quadruple that business with Turkey. We think it will be great. They’re great craftsmen. They have great product. And we’re opening it up. We also do military trading, and they buy a lot of our military equipment. And it’s an honor to be with you, Mr. President.”

Then pointing to Pres. Erdogan’s entourage in the room, Pres. Trump said: “And look at these people, how nice they are. Look at them. They’re so easy to deal with. Look at them. Central casting. There’s no Hollywood set where you could produce people that look like them.”

Pres. Erdogan responded: “Mr. President, first, I would like to express that it’s very meaningful for us to come together here at the Osaka Summit. And we are currently going towards fulfilling the goal of a $75 billion trade volume. And there are many steps that we need to take within the defense industry area, but, more importantly, we have a strategic partnership. And the strategic partnership also encourages us to create solidarity across many areas, and I have full belief that our solidarity will continue throughout the strategic partnership.”

After these introductory remarks, Pres. Trump responded to reporters’ questions:

Reporter: “Mr. President, what will you do about the S-400s? Is the U.S. going to have to impose sanctions if he takes possession?”

Pres. Trump: “Well, we’re discussing it. We have a complicated situation because the President was not allowed to buy the Patriot missiles. So when he bought the other ones — the S-200s or 400s — when he bought them, he wanted to do this, but he wasn’t allowed by the Obama administration to buy them until after he made a deal to buy other missiles. So he buys the other missile and then, all of a sudden, they say, ‘Well, you can now buy our missile.’ You don’t — you can’t do business that way. It’s not good. It’s not good.”

Reporter: “Does that mean is there way — so could you….”

Pres. Trump: “We’re looking at different solutions. It’s a problem, there’s no question about it. We’re looking at different solutions. But he was prohibited from buying until he said he bought something else. And then, as soon as he buys something else, everybody says, ‘Okay. You can buy it.’ You can’t do business that way. Turkey has been a friend of ours and they’ve done — we’ve done great things together. We’re a big trading partner. We’re going to be much bigger. I think the $75 billion is small. I think it’s going to be well over $100 billion soon. You can’t treat people that way, like the Obama administration did….”

Reporter: “Will the U.S. impose sanctions against Turkey on S-400 purchase?”

Pres. Trump: “We’re looking at it. But it’s a double — it’s a two-way street. They wouldn’t sell the President — they wouldn’t let him — they wouldn’t let him buy the missile that he wanted to buy, which is the Patriot. And then, after he buys from somebody else, he says ‘Now we’ll sell you the Patriot.’ So, I have to tell you, he’s a NATO member, he’s somebody that I have become friendly with. And you have to treat people fairly. You understand that. You have to treat people fairly. And I don’t think he was treated fairly. I don’t think he was treated fairly.”

Reporter: “The ball is in your court though now, Mr. President. Will you? You’re the one who makes the decision. Will you impose the sanctions?”

Pres. Trump: “So we’ll see you at the hotel at 3:30….”

Reporter: “Mr. President, are you going to Turkey in July? Will you be going to Turkey in July, Mr. President? When are you going to Turkey?”

Pres. Trump: “I will, at some point, be going to Turkey. I’ve been invited, and I will be — I will be going to Turkey, yes.”

Reporter: “This year, Mr. President? Will you go to Turkey this year? Will you go in July?”

Pres. Trump: “We haven’t set a date.”

It is shocking that Pres. Trump is siding with the Turkish leader against former Pres. Obama, the U.S. Congress and his own national security officials. Secondly, it is a lie that Pres. Obama had refused to sell Turkey U.S. Patriot missiles. Turkey did not accept the terms of the sale.

Just like in many of his decisions, Pres. Trump seems to be putting his personal interests — several million dollars of income for having his name on two Trump buildings in Istanbul — ahead of U.S. national interests. Why would he repeatedly praise Erdogan, a dictator and a major human rights violator?

At the time of writing this article, the Russian missiles were already on their way to Turkey. What will be Pres. Trump’s final decision on sanctions? Will he damage NATO’s and U.S. national interests just to please Erdogan? If he does, I hope no Armenian-American or anyone else will vote for Trump in 2020!

[wvwvw]

Trump did not side with Erdogan, nor can he stop U.S sanctions against Turkey even if he wanted to. It"s the Congress that decides, and both Dems and Rep have voted for sanctions against Turkey.

[Tekken]

Turkey needs to be kicked out of NATO.

[Armenian Bishop]

Turkey needs to be kicked out of NATO.

That's the main reason why NATO should've been dissolved, a few years after the USSR collapsed in 1991. Turkey is cancerous NATO.

[Armenian Bishop]

Trump did not side with Erdogan, nor can he stop U.S sanctions against Turkey even if he wanted to. It"s the Congress that decides, and both Dems and Rep have voted for sanctions against Turkey.

Trump had words as sweet as candy for Erdogan, during their meeting on June 29th: "It’s my honor to be with a friend of mine, somebody I’ve become very close to, in many respects, and he’s doing a very good job: the President of Turkey. And we have a meeting largely to do with trade. We’re doing more and more business, and we expect to be able to quadruple that business with Turkey. We think it will be great. They’re great craftsmen. They have great product. And we’re opening it up. We also do military trading, and they buy a lot of our military equipment. And it’s an honor to be with you, Mr. President.”

https://armenianweekly.com/2019/07/09/pres-trump-is-about-to-damage-us-interests-just-to-please-erdogan/

Even if Trump can't dictate against Congress, he still sets the tone for our diplomacy, at least to a significant degree. That can cause trouble.

[Karaton]

Hard to figure why they would sell that to a NATO member, or why a NATO member would buy it. My first thought is that it's not even close to the best version and Russia doesn't care if we know everything about it.

Because Murica rejected to sell Patriot missiles to Turkey.

And nope, Turkey is allowed to use thier own software programs as they needed and planned to participate in future S-500 project as well.

[Westbrook]

"""allowed to use"""

So it will be Turkish military operating the batteries and not Russians?
Because Murica rejected to sell Patriot missiles to Turkey.

And nope, Turkey is allowed to use thier own software programs as they needed and planned to participate in future S-500 project as well.

[WinterCrusader]

Turkey needs to be kicked out of NATO.

Kick turkey our of Constantinople and North West Anatolians as well, give those regions to Greeks. Eastern Anatolia to Kurds keep our bases there.

Problem solved.

[wvwvw]

Because Murica rejected to sell Patriot missiles to Turkey.

And nope, Turkey is allowed to use thier own software programs as they needed and planned to participate in future S-500 project as well.

Keep dreaming. Turkey will pay dearly for compromising Nato security.

The US rejected the technology sharing not the selling of Patriot missiles.

[Karaton]

"""allowed to use"""

So it will be Turkish military operating the batteries and not Russians?

Of course Turkish military will be operating the batteries. The misslies are bought and owned by Turkey, not borrowed from Russia.

[Karaton]

Kick turkey our of Constantinople and North West Anatolians as well, give those regions to Greeks. Eastern Anatolia to Kurds keep our bases there.

Problem solved.

Calm your tits edge boy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBU-j2viA4

[Karaton]

Keep dreaming. Turkey will pay dearly for compromising Nato security.

The US rejected the technology sharing not the selling of Patriot missiles.

Don't worry, Turkey is not a broken-ass wimpling like Greece. American sanctions didn't stop us to take half of Cyprus.

No, the US senate under Obama rule rejected SELLING them to Turkey.

[Kaspias]

Kick turkey our of Constantinople and North West Anatolians as well, give those regions to Greeks. Eastern Anatolia to Kurds keep our bases there.

Problem solved.

Would you really want to try this, Bobby?

[WinterCrusader]

Would you really want to try this, Bobby?
Yes turkroch.

We have history of kicking your mena butts.

[Kaspias]

Yes turkroch.

We have history of kicking your mena butts.

Really? Does it sound familiar? Es ist schon dunkel. Türken kommen, Türken kommen!

[itilvolga]

Really? Does it sound familiar? Es ist schon dunkel. Türken kommen, Türken kommen!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[The Lawspeaker]

Now Trump will have to act in order to win 2020 (lest he look weak): the result won't be pretty for Turkey. Expect boycotts, the EU being forced into permanently denying Turkey membership, Turkey excluded from all sorts of NATO things (if not kicked out altogether) and America denying the Turkish claims over North Cyprus. That sort of thing. (At least !)

[Dorian]

Don't worry, Turkey is not a broken-ass wimpling like Greece. American sanctions didn't stop us to take half of Cyprus.

No, the US senate under Obama rule rejected SELLING them to Turkey.


Calm your tits edge boy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBU-j2viA4

[Karaton]

Now Trump will have to act in order to win 2020 (lest he look weak): the result won't be pretty for Turkey. Expect boycotts, the EU being forced into permanently denying Turkey membership, Turkey excluded from all sorts of NATO things (if not kicked out altogether) and America denying the Turkish claims over North Cyprus. That sort of thing. (At least !)

-You can't kick out a country from NATO. There is no protocol for this.

-America doesn't recognize N. Cyprus already.

[WinterCrusader]

Really? Does it sound familiar? Es ist schon dunkel. Türken kommen, Türken kommen!

Bunch of polesh pooped your arab ass back to your Arabia, when you tried to enter Germany.

Imagine what we can do to you and your kind if we joined varangian guard in large numbers just before the battle, we wouldhave slaughtered you midgets like Harald did for over 20 years.

Even today you are out bitch as you see from this very thread and you will always be our bitch.

Buwhat can I expect from turkified self hating Arabs who are desperate for European Approval.

This is what a single Norseman did in Constantinople, you Arabs are still remember what we did to your kind that's why no one dared to fight him.


https://youtu.be/_qjGK0im_TU

[The Lawspeaker]

-You can't kick out a country from NATO. There is no protocol for this.

-America doesn't recognize N. Cyprus already.

Might makes right and when the biggest and baddest boy on the block wants something, then it will happen. Erdogan just made a real big mistake and the problem is that he is not going to suffer because of it. Normal people will.

[WinterCrusader]

Now Trump will have to act in order to win 2020 (lest he look weak): the result won't be pretty for Turkey. Expect boycotts, the EU being forced into permanently denying Turkey membership, Turkey excluded from all sorts of NATO things (if not kicked out altogether) and America denying the Turkish claims over North Cyprus. That sort of thing. (At least !)

I would love to curve out my own state near black sea, too bad it's not middle ages anymore.

Surely we can get good vacation home in Izmir, Greece if we want right ?

Greeks have great ancient history praying at Aya Sofia church, paying respect to our Germanic heroes who fought for city of New Rome andspending some days in beach house at black sea region is a dream vacation

[Voskos]

I'm more worroed about my pizza delivery which is more than 10 minutes late.

[Westbrook]

I honestly doubt that. A lot.
Of course Turkish military will be operating the batteries. The misslies are bought and owned by Turkey, not borrowed from Russia.

[Karaton]

I honestly doubt that. A lot.

It's already done.

[WinterCrusader]

It's false bravado, we wuzz kangs TypicalArab trait due to inbreeding for over 1500 years.

Frankly speaking I don't understand why this forum even allows these non Euros to post their crap here.

[The Lawspeaker]

I honestly doubt that. A lot.

So do I. And it wouldn't surprise me if Washington feels the same way. Something tells me that is not going to end well. Maybe a 1980 ? A real one this time.

[WinterCrusader]

I honestly doubt that. A lot.

Russians have played well, they destroyed Turkish support inside NATO, avoided deployment F-35 near it's soft belly by supplying 3rd grade export version of their missile defense system. I have heard that they are not going to give TOT as well lol.

[Kaspias]

Bunch of polesh pooped your arab ass back to your Arabia, when you tried to enter Germany.

Imagine what we can do to you and your kind if we joined varangian guard in large numbers just before the battle, we wouldhave slaughtered you midgets like Harald did for over 20 years.

Even today you are out bitch as you see from this very thread and you will always be our bitch.

Buwhat can I expect from turkified self hating Arabs who are desperate for European Approval.

This is what a single Norseman did in Constantinople, you Arabs are still remember what we did to your kind that's why no one dared to fight him.


https://youtu.be/_qjGK0im_TU

Okay cuckman, i will be looking forward to see you in the borders of Thrace in your long journey that aims to kick our asses :rolleyes:

[WinterCrusader]

Okay cuckman, i will be looking forward to see you in the borders of Thrace in your long journey that aims to kick our asses :rolleyes:

Says guy who speaks language of his bastard central Asian fahter.

Don't go there arab midget, evem today your nation is bitch of blond haired german who lives thousands of miles away in new world.

[PaleoEuropean]

That's the main reason why NATO should've been dissolved, a few years after the USSR collapsed in 1991. Turkey is cancerous NATO.

Turkey is a Kebab in the grass.