Post your Romania 23andme Regions

[Cumansky]

89444

[Seya]

https://i.imgur.com/cN85oOx.jpg

[Impaler]

http://i.imgur.com/OIUQ3ie.png (https://imgur.com/OIUQ3ie)

[andre]

89450
I'm from Bacau

[Zmey Gorynych]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/a552/ZmeyG/0/7246d46e-3079-4779-a349-ea51af757567-original.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

[Seya]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/a552/ZmeyG/0/7246d46e-3079-4779-a349-ea51af757567-original.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

i'm more moldovian than u :D
btw..did u get a map for rep. of moldova too? i have never seen one

[Aspirin]

i'm more moldovian than u :D

In reality you are not.

[Seya]

In reality you are not.

but..but..i got more regions in moldova than he did :eyes

[Aspirin]

but..but..i got more regions in moldova than he did :eyes

He is more common to the region.

[Seya]

He is more common to the region.

:comp26:

[Zmey Gorynych]

i'm more moldovian than u :D
btw..did u get a map for rep. of moldova too? i have never seen one
Yes I was a little surprised that I get more Transylvania than Moldova, with Cluj being 1st in the county list. Looking at my map we can be sure that moldovans moved in from Transylvania.

No, I have Moldova as one of the countries but no regions. I believe they don't have enough samples to regionalize. I'm not sure it would make much sense to divide a country so small into 30+ regions. Dividing it into 4 regions (North, Central, Southern and Eastern) would suffice.

Are you from the romanian part of Moldova or from the republic?

[Seya]

Yes I was a little surprised that I get more Transylvania than Moldova, with Cluj being 1st in the county list. Looking at my map we can be sure that moldovans moved in from Transylvania.

No, I have Moldova as one of the countries but no regions. I believe they don't have enough samples to regionalize. I'm not sure it would make much sense to divide a country so small into 30+ regions. Dividing it into 4 regions (North, Central, Southern and Eastern) would suffice.

Are you from the romanian part of Moldova or from the republic?

that is interesting, yes. how many countries did u get? are both romanian and moldova in the "Highly Likely Match"?
yes, I'm from the southern parts of romanian moldova.

[Zmey Gorynych]

that is interesting, yes. how many countries did u get? are both romanian and moldova in the "Highly Likely Match"?
yes, I'm from the southern parts of romanian moldova.
No, Moldova is just possible match. I got 8 countries of which 2 (Moldova and Hungary) without regions.

[Seya]

No, Moldova is just possible match. I got 8 countries of which 2 (Moldova and Hungary) without regions.

Any Highly Likely Match country?

[ixulescu]

I believe they don't have enough samples to regionalize.

For certain.

[Ford]

https://i.imgur.com/rD45Bh1.png

[Dick]

I have Romania as a possible match. Not vlach enough I guess.



https://i.imgur.com/QidQYib.png

[Seya]

I have Romania as a possible match. Not vlach enough I guess.

no regions?

[Dick]

no regions?

Nope. Proves Romania is not Balkan since I'm uber Balkan

[Seya]

Nope. Proves Romania is not Balkan since I'm uber Balkan

:D

[Zmey Gorynych]

Any Highly Likely Match country?
Only Romania - highly likely (10 regions)
Greece - likely (2 regions)
Moldova - possible

Poland - likely (4 regions)
Russia, Ukraine (1 region each) and Hungary - possible

Italy - likely (4 regions but only 1% and it's the south so most likely greek like dna)

[Dick]

:D
:noidea:

https://i.imgur.com/8mWsJFm.png

[Seya]

:noidea:

https://i.imgur.com/8mWsJFm.png

so u got broadly Romania :D

[Cumansky]

Nope. Proves Romania is not Balkan since I'm uber Balkan

Your ancestors took uber back to Germany fam, niggerski knows what happened lol

[Dick]

so u got broadly Romania :D

Broadly weak which means Romania is not Balkan.

[Seya]

Broadly weak which means Romania is not Balkan.

yes, because balkans are located in central europe :D

[ixulescu]

yes, because balkans are located in central europe :D

and romanians are komi xD

[Dick]

and romanians are komi xD

Well, you're not Balkan

[Hulu]

Romania has 42 administrative regions, and we found the strongest evidence of your ancestry in the following 10 regions.

Bucharest
Giurgiu County
Prahova
Mureș County
Olt County
Teleorman County
Dâmbovița County
Iași County
Suceava County
Bacău County

[ixulescu]

Well, you're not Balkan

you convinced me already, no need to repeat it :D

[Dick]

you convinced me already, no need to repeat it :D

Finally. Majority of my ancestors lived in the Dinaric mountains. That's the most Balkan region in all of Asia Minor.

[ixulescu]

Finally. Majority of my ancestors lived in the Dinaric mountains. That's the most Balkan region in all of Asia Minor.

But then again, you list Komi in your ethnicity, so perhaps there is hope for Romanians as well :laugh:

[Dick]

But then again, you list Komi in your ethnicity, so perhaps there is hope for Romanians as well :laugh:

That's a joke. Everyone here knows I'm a Serb and you're still not Balkan

[ixulescu]

That's a joke. Everyone here knows I'm a Serb and you're still not Balkan

Do you even humor bro?

[Dick]

Do you even humor bro?

Nope I'm Balkan but I see this bothers you

[someonenotyou]

Grandfather was born in Brasov and grew up in Constanța, not region though.

[Voskos]

Nothing.

[XYZ.2018]

bump

[Coastal Elite]

Just ordered 23andme and will post once complete. AncestryDNA gave me some odd results for my Romanian half.

[Mingle]

yes, I'm from the southern parts of romanian moldova.

I thought you were from Dobruja?

[Nurzat]

since they've got all 40+ counties listed, I suspect they just used the county the 23andme customer lives in/declared, which is not informative especially for Romanian Moldovans, since the communist regime displaced hundreds of thousands of people from Moldova during 4 decades to work in factories in Transylvania and Wallachia and their descendants don't consider themselves Moldovan anymore but will score Moldovan genetics. well, I don't exclude they did otherwise to get the clusters, but just saying.

I still get Maramures and Vaslui first, which makes sense (dad is from a village at the Maramures border in Suceava also close to Bistrita county border and mom is from the notorious Vaslui county), but for the rest I don't trust it - Arad may be listed since Ruthenians were moved to that county a lot after Germans left (in addition to Timis and Caras counties) and Sibiu and Bihor are just surprising, the first one was a German stronghold and the second one still is a Hungarian one (67% Romanians, 26% Hungarians county-wide).

https://scontent.fsbz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70666148_1876105895869111_4711086817380663296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQkY5nS18dKSH6HmmleJpVLBxw0MSwA84y6OHIoD52c _wKxnxJX2e4KW3kCY20QaaFg&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-1.fna&oh=e6c87be5ae8810f51ce39da5ff7c2dd2&oe=5E15B3B3


it also correctly reads Western Ukraine and Southern Poland for my dad's side, which is impressively accurate:

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70188544_1876109605868740_786229145473384448_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlunfJ47FOQOxwTV_oyExTJfAllnPSQKb0bM2Lv53T mtxb4WsjoxjstpXjiCz9Ju5k&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=b17c1006fcfb37335f9e467b96dcccd8&oe=5DC8C448

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69703407_1876109739202060_6739867550823219200_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnofxpqUiapoby7JmK9gRmfmH7_Xb_0ktYamb301m8 LAvMaZ1UkNb0yWKyKlRPDMS4&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=b6514e41575e9a118cb99e4d26954ee0&oe=5E135A82

[Coastal Elite]

since they've got all 40+ counties listed, I suspect they just used the county the 23andme customer lives in/declared, which is not informative especially for Romanian Moldovans, since the communist regime displaced hundreds of thousands of people from Moldova during 4 decades to work in factories in Transylvania and Wallachia and their descendants don't consider themselves Moldovan anymore but will score Moldovan genetics. well, I don't exclude they did otherwise to get the clusters, but just saying.

I still get Maramures and Vaslui first, which makes sense (dad is from a village at the Maramures border in Suceava also close to Bistrita county border and mom is from the notorious Vaslui county), but for the rest I don't trust it - Arad may be listed since Ruthenians were moved to that county a lot after Germans left (in addition to Timis and Caras counties) and Sibiu and Bihor are just surprising, the first one was a German stronghold and the second one still is a Hungarian one (67% Romanians, 26% Hungarians county-wide).

https://scontent.fsbz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70666148_1876105895869111_4711086817380663296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQkY5nS18dKSH6HmmleJpVLBxw0MSwA84y6OHIoD52c _wKxnxJX2e4KW3kCY20QaaFg&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-1.fna&oh=e6c87be5ae8810f51ce39da5ff7c2dd2&oe=5E15B3B3


it also correctly reads Western Ukraine and Southern Poland for my dad's side, which is impressively accurate:

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70188544_1876109605868740_786229145473384448_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlunfJ47FOQOxwTV_oyExTJfAllnPSQKb0bM2Lv53T mtxb4WsjoxjstpXjiCz9Ju5k&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=b17c1006fcfb37335f9e467b96dcccd8&oe=5DC8C448

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69703407_1876109739202060_6739867550823219200_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnofxpqUiapoby7JmK9gRmfmH7_Xb_0ktYamb301m8 LAvMaZ1UkNb0yWKyKlRPDMS4&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=b6514e41575e9a118cb99e4d26954ee0&oe=5E135A82

what are the coolest Romanian counties to be from?

[Nurzat]

what are the coolest Romanian counties to be from?

there is no such thing. people of each region dislike people from other regions at the level of the average commoner.

Vaslui (Moldova) and Teleorman (Wallachia) counties are disliked the most. Bucharesters are pretty much disliked as a whole as well, especially in parts of Transylvania and Moldova.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

what are the coolest Romanian counties to be from?

Rome, Paris, Berlin, Frankfurt, Barcelona, etc.

[Jana]

Vaslui (Moldova) and Teleorman (Wallachia) counties are disliked the most. Bucharesters are pretty much disliked as a whole as well, especially in parts of Transylvania and Moldova.

Why these 2 exactly ? User Grishnack was from Teleorman county, I remember that.

[Tommie]

Why these 2 exactly ? User Grishnack was from Teleorman county, I remember that.
They are considered to be "rednecks".

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Why these 2 exactly ? User Grishnack was from Teleorman county, I remember that.

Vaslui had some news coverage due to men raping grandmas or chasing grandmas with axes (or both).

Teleorman is where the leader of the most hated party is from and is known for being a place full of uneducated people. Also a place where dead people have came up on voting lists as having voted.

[Jana]

Vaslui had some news coverage due to men raping grandmas or chasing grandmas with axes (or both).

Teleorman is where the leader of the most hated party is from and is known for being a place full of uneducated people. Also a place where dead people have came up on voting lists as having voted.

Funny thing is that user Ghrishnack is a surgeon already if I am not mistaken and he was one of most educated and interesting Romanian members on TA.

[Nurzat]

Funny thing is that user Ghrishnack is a surgeon already if I am not mistaken and he was one of most educated and interesting Romanian members on TA.

wow, that's a big surprise for Teleorman.

I was joking, of course. it's naive to think all people in a bad reputation county are low class drunkards or that all rich Swiss in Basel are intelligent, educated and kindhearted xD

[Seya]

what are the coolest Romanian counties to be from?

Nobody hates nobody. There might be a certain type of competition between neighboring counties. That’s it. Everyone is proud of his own region, so there is no such thing as coolest counties :)

[Seya]

Why these 2 exactly ? User Grishnack was from Teleorman county, I remember that.


Many of the actual political leaders are from that Teleorman county, that’s why it is so hated nowadays. Before that no one was talking about Teleorman. It’s not true that people from that region are stupid or anything. I doubt they are less educated than people from other regions. Now about Vaslui :lol: Jesus :D i don’t know what’s wrong with those people tbh ))) 90% of the most horrific news are coming from there

[Zmey Gorynych]

Now about Vaslui :lol: Jesus :D i don’t know what’s wrong with those people tbh ))) 90% of the most horrific news are coming from there
My money is on transgenerational trauma. Vaslui has been the place of one massive battle and other passing throughs of the enemy.

[Seya]

My money is on transgenerational trauma. Vaslui has been the place of one massive battle and other passing throughs of the enemy.

U overthink this. It’s probably a lot more simple than that

[WeirdLookingFellow]

My money is on transgenerational trauma. Vaslui has been the place of one massive battle and other passing throughs of the enemy.

Ah, yes, the Great Battle of Mona. Nobody really remembers it but all feel the after-effects.

[Jana]

My money is on transgenerational trauma. Vaslui has been the place of one massive battle and other passing throughs of the enemy.

U overthink this. It’s probably a lot more simple than that

Could this be the reason ?

"Vaslui County was heavily industrialised during the communist period and had large industrial complexes that went bankrupt during the 1990s."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaslui_County

[Seya]

Could this be the reason ?

"Vaslui County was heavily industrialised during the communist period and had large industrial complexes that went bankrupt during the 1990s."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaslui_County
That’s probably the least developed part of the country. Small town as county seat, no jobs, low education, high alcohol consumption... Vaslui is a special case

[Aspirin]

That’s probably the least developed part of the country. Small town as county seat, no jobs, low education, high alcohol consumption... Vaslui is a special case

Effect of romanization in the past 150 years. :coffee:

[Nurzat]

Effect of romanization in the past 150 years. :coffee:

for Moldova region the Romanian administration after the annexation only had one policy: move the youth to other regions in hundreds of thousands to work to develop other regions, especially in factories but also as specialists once they finished college. Moldova was left agrarian, with no roads, no infrastructure, no youth. now we recover but it is a slow process. for West of Prut Moldova the annexation to Romania was in all honesty a bad choice, both economically and culturally.

but we're staying here to bring it up again, the past 10 years have been amazing and in this rhythm we'll be the top region in one or two decades.

[Seya]

Effect of romanization in the past 150 years. :coffee:

Sure. That must be the reason:laugh: Moldavians like to drink in both moldovas. That’s the main problem.

[ixulescu]

Many of the actual political leaders are from that Teleorman county, that’s why it is so hated nowadays. Before that no one was talking about Teleorman. It’s not true that people from that region are stupid or anything. I doubt they are less educated than people from other regions. Now about Vaslui :lol: Jesus :D i don’t know what’s wrong with those people tbh ))) 90% of the most horrific news are coming from there

Both Teleorman and Vaslui counties are highly rural and unsurprisingly underdeveloped.
There's one difference though: while Teleorman is aging superfast, Vaslui has very good birth rates. But having lots of young people in a place where there are no jobs (beside practicing subsistence agriculture) often leads to horrific events.

These young people need to be put into trades schools and moved to developed cities - there are no other solutions.

[Seya]

Both Teleorman and Vaslui counties are highly rural and unsurprisingly underdeveloped.
There's one difference though: while Teleorman is aging superfast, Vaslui has very good birth rates. But having lots of young people in a place where there are no jobs (beside practicing subsistence agriculture) often leads to horrific events.

These young people need to be put into trades schools and moved to developed cities - there are no other solutions.

These are not the only ones mostly rural areas in the country. Before Dragnea no one talked about Teleorman or considered those people stupid

[ixulescu]

for Moldova region the Romanian administration after the annexation only had one policy: move the youth to other regions in hundreds of thousands to work to develop other regions, especially in factories but also as specialists once they finished college. Moldova was left agrarian, with no roads, no infrastructure, no youth. now we recover but it is a slow process. for West of Prut Moldova the annexation to Romania was in all honesty a bad choice, both economically and culturally.

but we're staying here to bring it up again, the past 10 years have been amazing and in this rhythm we'll be the top region in one or two decades.

Moldova underdevelopment is recent (it wasn't there during communism) and a result of having a very small government - the direct effect of having a 16% flat tax, which leaves no money for infrastructure spending. And so, really, investment happened only in areas where foreign money came in, and we know, very little foreign investment came to Moldova (basically none, outside Iasi and Galati).

[ixulescu]

These are not the only ones mostly rural areas in the country. Before Dragnea no one talked about Teleorman or considered those people stupid

Teleorman has been in top 5 least developed counties in Romania for a long time. But yes, it wasn't much of a topic before Dragnea moved all his Teleorman acolytes in the ministries (of the government) in Bucharest.

[Aspirin]

Sure. That must be the reason:laugh: Moldavians like to drink in both moldovas. That’s the main problem.

Such degeneracy between Moldavians from RM like between these from Romania I never seen, despite we being less developed and poorer. In general Romania Moldova is a good window to us from RM, because looks basically the same like the Republic, in some areas looks even much worse, some places looks like India (if you know what I mean). Is a good example to shut up the mouths of apes who scream "Unire" on every corner till some local nigga will kick his ass.

[ixulescu]

Such degeneracy between Moldavians from RM like between these from Romania I never seen, despite we being less developed and poorer. In general Romania Moldova is a good window to us from RM, because looks basically the same like the Republic, in some areas looks even much worse, some places looks like India (if you know what I mean). Is a good example to shut up the mouths of apes who scream "Unire" on every corner till some local nigga will kick his ass.

You're very naive to think that Moldova will develop faster as a separate country. As it stands right now, Rep of Moldova is in a grey area, contested by both EU and Russia. No significant investment will come to the republic because of that. In Romania at least, Iasi, the capital of the Moldova region, gets some foreign investment. There are some multinational companies with regional headquarters in Iasi. Even Amazon has a large cloud development division in Iasi. Chisinau would have benefited from this kind of investment as well if it were part of Romania. Certainly, Moldova would still be the poorest Romanian region, but faster developing than now.

You seem to be really affected by the Moldovenism political trend from the republic, which is pushed by corrupt politicians who fear that the Union will lessen their grip on power. You need to understand one of the major benefits of being part of a larger country is that the center has power to remove these often corrupt and incompetent local politicians, that govern entire regions like their own family plot of land.

[Aspirin]

Chisinau would have benefited from this kind of investment as well if it were part of Romania.

lmao


You seem to be really affected by the Moldovenism political trend from the republic, which is pushed by corrupt politicians who fear that the Union will lessen their grip on power.

My nigga, you don't understand, vast majority of people are pro EU here, but at the same time vast majority don't want a union with Romania, because is one of the poorest and one of the most corrupted country in the EU. Is funny to hear from you about corruption here, and giving a impresion what Romania is some kind of promised land. :D
As I said early, Romanian Moldova is just a window to us, were we can see the hypothetical future if RM will become part of Romania. What is Romanian Moldova today? Correct, the most shittest and less developed part of Romania, with the fastest shrinking native population, indeed this region had a very glorious evolution after he became part of Romania aka Wallachia.

[ixulescu]

My nigga, you don't understand, vast majority of people are pro EU here, but at the same time vast majority don't want a union with Romania, because is one of the poorest and one of the most corrupted country in the EU. Is funny to hear from you about corruption here, and giving a impresion what Romania is some kind of promised land. :D

Corruption in Bucharest doesn't last long. Dragnea ended up in jail. Where's Plahotniuc now?



As I said early, Romania Moldova is just a window to us, were we can see the hypothetical future if RM will become part of Romania. What is Romanian Moldova today? Correct, the most shittest and less developed part of Romania, with the fastest shrinking native population, indeed this region had a very glorious evolution after he became part of Romania aka Wallachia.

You're thinking in stereotypes my man. There's no policy in Bucharest to deliberately impoverish Moldova. It's only the effect of how little money the central goverment has and how little interest for foreign investors Moldova presents.

Btw, it's Wallachia that has the fastest shriking population (southern villages are dead), while Moldova has the best birth rates in the country. The problem is that this great birth rate occurs solely in the rural areas or places of no economic perspective. Even so, let's not compare Moldova with Rep of Moldova, please.

[Mingle]

My nigga, you don't understand, vast majority of people are pro EU here, but at the same time vast majority don't want a union with Romania, because is one of the poorest and one of the most corrupted country in the EU. Is funny to hear from you about corruption here, and giving a impresion what Romania is some kind of promised land. :D

Romania is one of the poorest EU states, but it's leagues ahead of the Republic of Moldova, is it not? The comparison is between the R. Moldova and Romania, not Romania and the EU. I think R. Moldova would economically benefit much more than Romania would if a merger were to happen since Romania would have to support a poorer region to help bring it to the level of the rest of Romania. It's a similar case with Ireland and Northern Ireland where the Irish would have to pay more taxes if a merger were to happen to help bring NI to the level of the rest of Ireland.

[Mingle]

Moldova underdevelopment is recent (it wasn't there during communism) and a result of having a very small government - the direct effect of having a 16% flat tax, which leaves no money for infrastructure spending. And so, really, investment happened only in areas where foreign money came in, and we know, very little foreign investment came to Moldova (basically none, outside Iasi and Galati).

I can understand Iasi, but why Galati? What's Galati's significance that helps it get foreign investment?

[Seya]

I can understand Iasi, but why Galati? What's Galati's significance that helps it get foreign investment?

Galati is the second largest port in romania, after Constanta and it was the biggest until not long time ago

[ixulescu]

I can understand Iasi, but why Galati? What's Galati's significance that helps it get foreign investment?

Galati has a large shipyard, it just launched a corvette for the Pakistan Navy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdh91BUfT94


Lots of the steel varieties required for shipbuilding are also produced locally in Galati.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I can understand Iasi, but why Galati? What's Galati's significance that helps it get foreign investment?

Galați was an important port city until 1919. It then slowed down in importance but immigrant families all over Europe (Switzerland, France, England) kind of kept it alive by trying to trade. After WW2 the foreigners left and the city was basically dead, but Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej (the President before Ceaușescu) was from Galați and wanted it to be important, so he decided to build one of the biggest industrial plants in Europe. He never saw it finished but it did get finished and it was a huge source of income for Galați and lots of people from Moldova came down south to work there. There were even other industrial plants in Moldova made just to provide the raw materials necessary.

Then after 1989 Romania realized that what it produced was not of better quality than Chinese and Indian products and overall more expensive to produce. The complex slowly died as people got money to leave, while others were organized into professional schools to learn new trades that might be profitable.

Unfortunately the coke industry was really big in Galați and it died, leaving tons of people that were quite uneducated and without enough energy to learn new things. They couldn't just leave for an other coke factory either, the only one left was in Europe was in Poland. A place that employed at its max 65.000 people, more than 1/5 of the total population of the city, barely employs 5.000 now, I think. Galați was never even a city made to accommodate that many people and it went into administrative chaos. A Japanese company and a Chinese one wanted to build factories there, but corruption lead them to move to Brăila, literally the next city south of Galați, in Wallachia.

Now the only things that Galați is producing are videochat thots, gambling centers and indeed some Med school students and some ships or naval services. Also Aspirin's brethren like to pass through Galați to get a Romanian identity card before moving further West.

So Ixulescu talking about investments in Galați was just a guess. The city is quickly dying and it won't stop unless a huge company invests into a huge factory.

[ixulescu]

Unfortunately the coke industry was really big in Galați and it died, leaving tons of people that were quite uneducated and without enough energy to learn new things. They couldn't just leave for an other coke factory either, the only one left was in Europe was in Poland. A place that employed at its max 65.000 people, more than 1/5 of the total population of the city, barely employs 5.000 now, I think. Galați was never even a city made to accommodate that many people and it went into administrative chaos. A Japanese company and a Chinese one wanted to build factories there, but corruption lead them to move to Brăila, literally the next city south of Galați, in Wallachia.

Now the only things that Galați is producing are videochat thots, gambling centers and indeed some Med school students and some ships or naval services. Also Aspirin's brethren like to pass through Galați to get a Romanian identity card before moving further West.

So Ixulescu talking about investments in Galați was just a guess. The city is quickly dying and it won't stop unless a huge company invests into a huge factory.

I agree with you to some degree, but Braila is in worse shape than Galati. At least in Galati the major industrial companies are still going, albeit at much reduced employment. In Braila on the other hand they all turned to dust. Braila had one of the largest exporters of heavy construction equipment (excavators and shit) in the Eastern block and a large chemical plant, both long gone.

I'm not that pessimistic about Galati/Braila though. The region will get an infusion of cash/jobs over the next 5 years, with the construction of the bridge over the Danube. That will reduce unemployment rate significantly, which is not that bad to begin with.

It's a large construction project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGjY7JLzEfY

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I agree with you to some degree, but Braila is in worse shape than Galati. At least in Galati the major industrial companies are still going, albeit at much reduced employment. In Braila on the other hand they all turned to dust. Braila had one of the largest exporters of heavy construction equipment (excavators and shit) in the Eastern block and a large chemical plant, both long gone.

I'm not that pessimistic about Galati/Braila though. The region will get an infusion of cash/jobs over the next 5 years, with the construction of the bridge over the Danube. That will reduce unemployment rate significantly, which is not that bad to begin with.

It's a large construction project:


My overall conclusion about Galați itself is that people will keep moving out of it because just with the naval shipyard it cannot keep that many people. Around a third of the city was made for the Combinat industrial plant. Once gone people will need to find other cities where work force is needed. It's not that different to what happened in the West to some degree, albeit there it happened a lot earlier, during the 70's.

[Nurzat]

average monthly net salary (source: Numbeo)

Moldova:
524€ Iasi
435€ Galati
403€ Suceava
361€ Bacau
350€ Chernivtsi (Ukraine)
269€ Kishinev (Rep. Moldova)
203€ Tiraspol (Pridnestrovie)

Wallachia (Muntenia & Oltenia):
641€ Bucharest
581€ Pitesti
470€ Ploiesti
460€ Buzau
447€ Craiova
382€ Braila

Transylvania & Banat:
649€ Cluj
572€ Brasov
528€ Timisoara
519€ Sibiu
349€ Vršac (Serbia)

[ixulescu]

My overall conclusion about Galați itself is that people will keep moving out of it because just with the naval shipyard it cannot keep that many people. Around a third of the city was made for the Combinat industrial plant. Once gone people will need to find other cities where work force is needed. It's not that different to what happened in the West to some degree, albeit there it happened a lot earlier, during the 70's.

Romanians will keep moving out for another 20 years, and not just from Galati. It will happen until palpable convergence with the West (Southern Europe in particular) will be reached.

[ixulescu]

average monthly net salary (source: Numbeo)

Moldova:
524€ Iasi
435€ Galati
403€ Suceava
361€ Bacau
269€ Chisinau (Rep. Moldova)
203€ Tiraspol (Pridnestrovie)

Wallachia (Muntenia & Oltenia):
641€ Bucharest
581€ Pitesti
470€ Ploiesti
460€ Buzau
447€ Craiova
382€ Braila

Transylvania & Banat:
649€ Cluj
572€ Brasov
528€ Timisoara
519€ Sibiu
349€ Vršac (Serbia)

Now put the cost of living next to those figures. Salaries alone don't mean squat.

[Nurzat]

Now put the cost of living next to those figures. Salaries alone don't mean squat.

"Local Purchasing Power in Chisinau is 43.51% lower than in Iasi"

[ixulescu]

"Local Purchasing Power in Chisinau is 43.51% lower than in Iasi"

There you go.
And Chisinau is the best place by far in Rep of Moldova.

People are just fucking unrealistic.

[Nurzat]

There you go.
And Chisinau is the best place by far in Rep of Moldova.

People are just fucking unrealistic.

while Iasi is not really poor but still economically modest within Romania

[ixulescu]

while Iasi is not really poor but still economically modest within Romania

True, Iasi is actually a nice town.
But economically, it has some ways to go.

[Seya]

True, Iasi is actually a nice town.
But economically, it has some ways to go.

with this website u can compare the purchasing power:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
it's very precise

[IrisSelene]

These are mine https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/07fc469474e554ae3b826c5a38d5a5ed.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/bcd45b8383767d36bc5cdcd844155e7d.jpg

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[Ylla]

No idea about these regions haha
https://i.postimg.cc/mDrLfKPb/Screenshot-20190909-200235-com-android-chrome.jpg

[Coastal Elite]

My last name is mostly found in Brasov and Sibiu Counties so I’ll be interested if that is the what I get on this map. Should have results in a few weeks.

[IrisSelene]

My last name is mostly found in Brasov and Sibiu Counties so I’ll be interested if that is the what I get on this map. Should have results in a few weeks.Mine was only in the northwest so imagine my surprise when I saw it I had all over the map lol

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[Zmey Gorynych]

These are mine https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/07fc469474e554ae3b826c5a38d5a5ed.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/bcd45b8383767d36bc5cdcd844155e7d.jpg
You have Cluj as your top county, just like me. The rest looks different though.


No idea about these regions haha
https://i.postimg.cc/mDrLfKPb/Screenshot-20190909-200235-com-android-chrome.jpg
Brasov is a county (dark blue on your map) in Transylvania, historically the region had a sizable german minority. The 2 other regions, Dolj and Valcea are southern regions. In Dolj you can find some of the most southern Romanians (genetically). These 2 regions gave a few prominent romanians.

[Cumansky]

since they've got all 40+ counties listed, I suspect they just used the county the 23andme customer lives in/declared, which is not informative especially for Romanian Moldovans, since the communist regime displaced hundreds of thousands of people from Moldova during 4 decades to work in factories in Transylvania and Wallachia and their descendants don't consider themselves Moldovan anymore but will score Moldovan genetics. well, I don't exclude they did otherwise to get the clusters, but just saying.

I still get Maramures and Vaslui first, which makes sense (dad is from a village at the Maramures border in Suceava also close to Bistrita county border and mom is from the notorious Vaslui county), but for the rest I don't trust it - Arad may be listed since Ruthenians were moved to that county a lot after Germans left (in addition to Timis and Caras counties) and Sibiu and Bihor are just surprising, the first one was a German stronghold and the second one still is a Hungarian one (67% Romanians, 26% Hungarians county-wide).

https://scontent.fsbz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70666148_1876105895869111_4711086817380663296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQkY5nS18dKSH6HmmleJpVLBxw0MSwA84y6OHIoD52c _wKxnxJX2e4KW3kCY20QaaFg&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-1.fna&oh=e6c87be5ae8810f51ce39da5ff7c2dd2&oe=5E15B3B3


it also correctly reads Western Ukraine and Southern Poland for my dad's side, which is impressively accurate:

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70188544_1876109605868740_786229145473384448_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlunfJ47FOQOxwTV_oyExTJfAllnPSQKb0bM2Lv53T mtxb4WsjoxjstpXjiCz9Ju5k&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=b17c1006fcfb37335f9e467b96dcccd8&oe=5DC8C448

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69703407_1876109739202060_6739867550823219200_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnofxpqUiapoby7JmK9gRmfmH7_Xb_0ktYamb301m8 LAvMaZ1UkNb0yWKyKlRPDMS4&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-2.fna&oh=b6514e41575e9a118cb99e4d26954ee0&oe=5E135A82

Can you summarize my regions same way, I don't care if you speculate theories:

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[Nurzat]

Can you summarize my regions same way, I don't care if you speculate theories:

91215

for Maramures county it's obvious the Ukrainian connection since Ukrainians (Rusyns and Hutsuls) still live the northeast of the county.

Iasi county could just be people with parents/grandparents in Maramures/Suceava where they picked Ukrainian genes that declared their city instead of their ancestry... happens a lot in Romania, people consider themselves based on where they were born, not their parents/grandparents - tell a Bucharester with Moldovan parents that he is Moldovan, he will laugh or get upset but he won't admit it, for example xD

for that county in the south I don't know what to say, that is a core Vlach area; but your signal is weak there by the colour

[Daos777]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/0e20d9b87a6c2681659bb4d8037ba9db.jpg

I get Cluj as strongest.

[Cumansky]

for Maramures county it's obvious the Ukrainian connection since Ukrainians (Rusyns and Hutsuls) still live the northeast of the county.

Iasi county could just be people with parents/grandparents in Maramures/Suceava where they picked Ukrainian genes that declared their city instead of their ancestry... happens a lot in Romania, people consider themselves based on where they were born, not their parents/grandparents - tell a Bucharester with Moldovan parents that he is Moldovan, he will laugh or get upset but he won't admit it, for example xD

for that county in the south I don't know what to say, that is a core Vlach area; but your signal is weak there by the colour

Your summary was terrible my friend haha :vampire by the way in Ukraine I only get Lviv same as you I think no?

[nittionia]

i dont have balkan on 23andme :(

[ixulescu]

happens a lot in Romania, people consider themselves based on where they were born, not their parents/grandparents - tell a Bucharester with Moldovan parents that he is Moldovan, he will laugh or get upset but he won't admit it, for example xD


Man, you have an obsession with this :D
I lived for 25 years in Southern Romania and I was always happy to tell anyone willing to listen that I have roots in Moldova. Nobody ever had something negative to comment.

[Jana]

In Dolj you can find some of the most southern Romanians (genetically).

Aren't most southern shifted Romanians on the black sea coast ?

[Leto]

Not exactly related to Romanian genetics but I would love to see some Lipovan Russian results, they are an ethnoreligious minority of Russian origin living in Romania (Old Believers). There are still around 30,000 of them left, so testing at least some individuals shouldn't be that difficult.

[Nurzat]

Not exactly related to Romanian genetics but I would love to see some Lipovan Russian results, they are an ethnoreligious minority of Russian origin living in Romania (Old Believers). There are still around 30,000 of them left, so testing at least some individuals shouldn't be that difficult.

it's 30k declaring themselves at the census. they're many more, like with every minority ethnic group in Romania. I know quite a few Lipovans, don't think any has tested. will ask

[Leto]

it's 30k declaring themselves at the census. they're many more, like with every minority ethnic group in Romania. I know quite a few Lipovans, don't think any has tested. will ask
Honestly I don't think they are very numerous, why would they be? 30k is already quite a lot to me.
Unless they have mixed with Southern populations, they may represent a well-preserved ethnic Russian genome.

[ixulescu]

Honestly I don't think they are very numerous, why would they be? 30k is already quite a lot to me.
Unless they have mixed with Southern populations, they may represent a well-preserved ethnic Russian genome.

You can find some proper Lipovan villages in Danube Delta. They live in a area that's well secluded from the rest of the world.
Those who moved out of that region have mixed with Romanians and their descendants consider themselves Romanian.

This village (Mila 23) is already mixed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6njjAtvuW5c

[Cumansky]

There is no Lipovans Gedmatch? I get 6 Russia regions maybe this explain part of it, my paternal Grandmother family lived in Ukraine on the Moldova border until early 20th century, she is only in the family that has red hair

[Zmey Gorynych]

Honestly I don't think they are very numerous, why would they be? 30k is already quite a lot to me.
Unless they have mixed with Southern populations, they may represent a well-preserved ethnic Russian genome.
You think so? We're talking about roughly 300 years of existence in exile. I would expect results similar to people from Budjak (now Odessa oblast).

[Nurzat]

Honestly I don't think they are very numerous, why would they be? 30k is already quite a lot to me.
Unless they have mixed with Southern populations, they may represent a well-preserved ethnic Russian genome.

for any minority ethnic group in Romania one should expect they are many more than the official census, those who speak and identify as such, but on the other hand, many of these are already mixed, I mean those who leave their Lipovan/Hutsul/Rusyn/Csango/Polish village to go and study/work in a town/city will most definitely marry an ethnic Romanian and while in most cases will teach their kids the language and those kids will spend summers at the grandparents, well, genetically they'll be half Romanian. this happens to any minority anywhere. I am such a half-half myself, while my cousins in the village are unmixed where their parents didn't leave to the city. rule of thumb: those who stay in the region/village highly likely will stay unmixed, those who leave most likely will mix.

their website: http://www.crlr.ro/ru/


You can find some proper Lipovan villages in Danube Delta. They live in a area that's well secluded from the rest of the world.
Those who moved out of that region have mixed with Romanians and their descendants consider themselves Romanian.

there's Lipovans in Iasi county (a lot) and in Suceava county as well. they have their own villages. they mix in the conditions I wrote above.

[ixulescu]

Below is an interesting video about mixed Romanian/Lipovan people living in isolated communities in Danube Delta. They're isolated in the sense that you cannot drive to and from main land, you have to take a boat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZMv6kSt_g0

[Cumansky]

LukaszM posted Old Believers from Russia Gedmatch in Anthrogenica, I can't find right now tho

They live in Alaska USA also, they were the Russians that settled it, and they have elevated Ural admixture compare with Slavs

[Cumansky]

This a Russian Empire calculator created by www.russiangenome.ru:

6.40% Karel
10.20% Moldovan
3.10% Tatar
0.00% Bashkir
8.90% Mordva
2.23% Chuvash
9.79% Belarus
2.77% Chechen
2.44% Adygei
2.37% Kabardin
2.26% Megrel
12.22% Ukrainian
1.15% Karachay
5.23% Komi
2.51% Cherkes
4.29% Abkhaz
5.30% Udmurt
0.07% Uzbek
0.00% Ket
0.00% Kirgiz
0.00% Khanty
0.00% Tuva
0.00% Buryat
0.00% Chinese
0.00% Kazakh
7.45% Russian_NSK
11.32% Russian_STV
0.00% Yakut

Says I am 11.32% Lipovan (Russian_STV)

[vbnetkhio]

This a Russian Empire calculator created by www.russiangenome.ru:

6.40% Karel
10.20% Moldovan
3.10% Tatar
0.00% Bashkir
8.90% Mordva
2.23% Chuvash
9.79% Belarus
2.77% Chechen
2.44% Adygei
2.37% Kabardin
2.26% Megrel
12.22% Ukrainian
1.15% Karachay
5.23% Komi
2.51% Cherkes
4.29% Abkhaz
5.30% Udmurt
0.07% Uzbek
0.00% Ket
0.00% Kirgiz
0.00% Khanty
0.00% Tuva
0.00% Buryat
0.00% Chinese
0.00% Kazakh
7.45% Russian_NSK
11.32% Russian_STV
0.00% Yakut

Says I am 11.32% Lipovan (Russian_STV)

how to open that file? can you make a tutorial

[Seya]

Honestly I don't think they are very numerous, why would they be? 30k is already quite a lot to me.
Unless they have mixed with Southern populations, they may represent a well-preserved ethnic Russian genome.

There are a lot of lipovans where i live. It is very unusual for them to mix. My mom’s good friend is a lipovan. They’re friends since highschool. She never married cose she couldn’t find a nice lipovan for herself. she’s single to this days. Non of the lipovans i know are mixed.

[Seya]

There is no Lipovans Gedmatch? I get 6 Russia regions maybe this explain part of it, my paternal Grandmother family lived in Ukraine on the Moldova border until early 20th century, she is only in the family that has red hair

Why do u think they might be lipovans? Which area exactly? There are a lot of russian ethnics leaving in ukraine anyway.

[ixulescu]

There are a lot of lipovans where i live. It is very unusual for them to mix. My mom’s good friend is a lipovan. They’re friends since highschool. She never married cose she couldn’t find a nice lipovan for herself. she’s single to this days. Non of the lipovans i know are mixed.

In the past Lipovans and Romanians would not mix because Lipovans are Old Believers. But really, once Lipovans moved to the city, either Tulcea or Constanta, they mixed in the same generation.

[Seya]

In the past Lipovans and Romanians would not mix because Lipovans are Old Believers. But really, once Lipovans moved to the city, either Tulcea or Constanta, they mixed in the same generation.

How do u know? I think this is still rare. It’s not a very common thing

[ixulescu]

How do u know? I think this is still rare. It’s not a very common thing

a large part of my childhood friends and school mates in Tulcea were mixed Lipovan or Hohol with Romanian.

[Seya]

a large part of my childhood friends and school mates in Tulcea were mixed Lipovan or Hohol with Romanian.

Interesting. I only know one lipovan woman who married a libanese and her parents disowned her.

[ixulescu]

Interesting. I only know one lipovan woman who married a libanese and her parents disowned her.

A Christian Lebanese?

[Seya]

A Christian Lebanese?

Actually yes. He’s christian

[Seya]

A Christian Lebanese?

Also, do u know what a skoptsy is? We had a lot of those here too...but i think they’re all dead by now

[ixulescu]

Actually yes. He’s christian

I don't know, maybe they considered the cultural difference to be too large.

[ixulescu]

Also, do u know what a skoptsy is? We had a lot of those here too...but i think they’re all dead by now

this is the first time I hear about this :)

[Seya]

this is the first time I hear about this :)

Go read about them. :) they’re very interesting people. My whole neighborhood was full of them when i was a child but they’re all dead. They’re called scapeți in romanian

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoptsy

[Leto]

Skopets means castrate, eunuch in Church Slavonic (and literary Russian by extension). They were a religious sect that practiced castration, I believe.

[Seya]

Skopets means castrate, eunuch in Church Slavonic (and literary Russian by extension). They were a religious sect that practiced castration, I believe.

Yes, that’s right. And after they were living like brothers and sisters.

[ixulescu]

Go read about them. :) they’re very interesting people. My whole neighborhood was full of them when i was a child but they’re all dead. They’re called scapeți in romanian

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoptsy

Actually scapeți rings a bell now :D

[Cumansky]

Why do u think they might be lipovans? Which area exactly? There are a lot of russian ethnics leaving in ukraine anyway.

They were living in Strutynka Ukraine, because calculator always show some Finnic Ural admix for my Father and Me, and my Grandmother was red hair that is not proper Slavic dark blonde or light blonde

[Cumansky]

how to open that file? can you make a tutorial

I made tutorial in Autosomal DNA, you just need raw data

[Seya]

They were living in Strutynka Ukraine, because calculator always show some Finnic Ural admix for my Father and Me, and my Grandmother was red hair that is not proper Slavic dark blonde or light blonde

i don't think there are lipovans in that area. the big majority live in romania around danube river, the ones living in ukraine they're also concentrated around danube

[Cumansky]

i don't think there are lipovans in that area. the big majority live in romania around danube river, the ones living in ukraine they're also concentrated around danube

They were there before, assimilated now

[Seya]

They were there before, assimilated now

when they emigrated from Russia, they settled directly along the eastern border of romania, mostly in the danube delta. even the ones living today in ukraine, a much smaller number, live near romanian border, territory that belonged to Moldova and later kingdom of romania till 1944. I'm sure if u had a lipovan in your family u'd know for sure as they have a particular religion, they aren't orthodox (pretty similar but not quite). also, they're not all red-heads :)) i actually know only 2 with proper red hair.

[Cumansky]

when they emigrated from Russia, they settled directly along the eastern border of romania, mostly in the danube delta. even the ones living today in ukraine, a much smaller number, live near romanian border, territory that belonged to Moldova and later kingdom of romania till 1944. I'm sure if u had a lipovan in your family u'd know for sure as they have a particular religion, they aren't orthodox (pretty similar but not quite). also, they're not all red-heads :)) i actually know only 2 with proper red hair.

Convincing story, but I know. Is old rumor in my family

In Ukraine they settled around Prut and alot of places, I learned about it Facebook group Ukrainian genealogy

[Cumansky]

when they emigrated from Russia, they settled directly along the eastern border of romania, mostly in the danube delta. even the ones living today in ukraine, a much smaller number, live near romanian border, territory that belonged to Moldova and later kingdom of romania till 1944. I'm sure if u had a lipovan in your family u'd know for sure as they have a particular religion, they aren't orthodox (pretty similar but not quite). also, they're not all red-heads :)) i actually know only 2 with proper red hair.

This Uncle has some Lipovan and Balkan ancestry, he was born right by Moldova border:

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[Seya]

This Uncle has some Lipovan and Balkan ancestry, he was born right by Moldova border:


u know better..but this lipovans are simple russians. they only have a different religion. they aren't an ethnic group. anyway..what kind of balkan ancestry?

[Cumansky]

u know better..but this lipovans are simple russians. they only have a different religion. they aren't an ethnic group. anyway..what kind of balkan ancestry?

Lipovans are an ethnic group from Russiangenome.ru:

"Finally, we capitalized on wide geographic span of our sampling to address intriguing question about place of origin of Russian Starovers. Our comparative reAdmix analysis, complemented by IBD sharing, placed their roots to the region of Northern European Plain, occupied by North Russians and Finno-Ugric Komi and Karel people. Russians from Novosibirsk and Russian Starover exhibit ancestral proportions close to that of European Eastern Slavs, however, they also include between five to ten percent of Central Siberian ancestry, not present at this level in their European counterparts."

Many centuries ago his Lipovan ancestors mingled with the Polish nobility Vlachs from western Ukraine and become incorporated as noble people in the next generations

[Seya]

Lipovans are an ethnic group from Russiangenome.ru:

"Finally, we capitalized on wide geographic span of our sampling to address intriguing question about place of origin of Russian Starovers. Our comparative reAdmix analysis, complemented by IBD sharing, placed their roots to the region of Northern European Plain, occupied by North Russians and Finno-Ugric Komi and Karel people. Russians from Novosibirsk and Russian Starover exhibit ancestral proportions close to that of European Eastern Slavs, however, they also include between five to ten percent of Central Siberian ancestry, not present at this level in their European counterparts."

Many centuries ago his Lipovan ancestors mingled with the Polish nobility Vlachs from western Ukraine and become incorporated as noble people in the next generations

so Old Believers are a distinct ethnic group? isn't that just a confession?

[Cumansky]

so Old Believers are a distinct ethnic group? isn't that just a confession?

In modern times they are like North Russians with 5-10% Central Siberian ancestry more than North Russian average

[Seya]

In modern times they are like North Russians with 5-10% Central Siberian ancestry more than North Russian average

i wonder how that happened cose here it sais:

Opponents of the ecclesiastical reforms of Nikon emerged among all strata of the people and in relatively large numbers. However, after the deposition of patriarch Nikon (1658), who presented too strong a challenge to the Tsar's authority, a series of church councils officially endorsed Nikon's liturgical reforms.
i don't know why old believers nowadays in russia are more similar to northern russians but i doubt the ones that got here in the past, right after the schism where all from the north.

[Cumansky]

i wonder how that happened cose here it sais:

i don't know why old believers nowadays in russia are more similar to northern russians but i doubt the ones that got here in the past, right after the schism where all from the north.

Then where they came from? In the past they were probably more Siberian Russian

They usually grow their beard as symbol, some have red hair, in their youth they look very Proto Slav the ones with blonde hair

[Seya]

Then where they came from? In the past they were probably more Siberian Russian

They usually grow their beard as symbol, some have red hair, in their youth they look very Proto Slav the ones with blonde hair

Old believers were people who disagreed with the reforms. Could be anyone i guess...as it sais, they were from all strata of people. I cannot find any info about them being mostly Siberians..so i don’t know

[Cumansky]

Old believers were people who disagreed with the reforms. Could be anyone i guess...as it sais, they were from all strata of people. I cannot find any info about them being mostly Siberians..so i don’t know

No, this false, they are an old Russian ethnic group, that is why they didn't agree with reforms. And they usually marry their own but it didn't happen that way everywhere

Look at Jews, they usually marry their own but other times they got assimilated into general population

[Leto]

so Old Believers are a distinct ethnic group? isn't that just a confession?
They are obviously Russian, this is a ridiculous discussion to begin with. Are Protestant Germans an ethnic group different from Catholic Germans? Lol.
It's called an ethnographic group of a larger ethnic group or nation.

[Cumansky]

They are obviously Russian, this is a ridiculous discussion to begin with. Are Protestant Germans an ethnic group different from Catholic Germans? Lol.
It's called an ethnographic group of a larger ethnic group or nation.

What you mean ridiculous? They are just a one Russian ethnic group, how many ethnic group in your country I will be counting until tomorrow

And they are different because they marry their own, preserving some genetic

[Leto]

What you mean ridiculous? They are just a one Russian ethnic group, how many ethnic group in your country I will be counting until tomorrow
They are not a separate ethnic group, they are ethnic Russians (русские). That's how they view themselves. Some of my ancestors were Molokans but they were Russian, nothing else.

[Seya]

They are not a separate ethnic group, they are ethnic Russians (русские). That's how they view themselves. Some of my ancestors were Molokans but they were Russian, nothing else.

Well this is what i know as well but they do speak an old type of russian. They don’t speak proper russian. Maybe because they moved long time ago

[Leto]

Just to clarify I'm not talking about Lipovans in Romania, especially considering what Romanian members have said about increasing assimilation and intermarriage but Old Believers in Russia and in places where they live in isolation do not consider themselves anything else other than Russian. Religon is not the same thing as ethnicity, there were quite a few religious sects in Imperial Russia but they did not constitute separate ethnicities.

[Leto]

Well this is what i know as well but they do speak an old type of russian. They don’t speak proper russian. Maybe because they moved long time ago
Yes, of course. Their speech is more archaic (I wouldn't call modern spoken Russian 'proper' by the way, the way those isolated communities speak is probably a purer version of Russian).

[Cumansky]

Yes, of course. Their speech is more archaic (I wouldn't call modern spoken Russian 'proper' by the way, the way those isolated communities speak is probably a purer version of Russian).

Exactly, anyone can be Russian

[Cumansky]

Russian in left, Old Believer in right:

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More Old Believers:

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[Dick]

Russian in left, Old Believer in right:

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More Old Believers:

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What's a Russian "Old Believer"

[Leto]

What's a Russian "Old Believer"
A short definition:

"Any of those who separated from the official Russian Orthodox Church after 1666 as a protest against church reforms introduced by Patriarch Nikon between 1652 and 1666. They continue liturgical practices which predate the reforms."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Old_Believer#English

[Coastal Elite]

https://i.imgur.com/G54kwpH.jpg

Cluj and Brasov are strongest

[Impaler]

https://i.imgur.com/G54kwpH.jpg

Cluj and Brasov are strongest

Is that accurate for you?

[Coastal Elite]

Is that accurate for you?

My grandparents were from western Brasov County near the Sibiu County border, so fairly accurate. I was a little surprised to see Cluj as #1 instead of Brosov but I was expecting it to be mostly Transylvanian.

[Impaler]

I had Bacau on 6th, now is on 3rd. Constanta is also stronger.

http://i.imgur.com/KjAaJIW.png (https://imgur.com/KjAaJIW)

[Coastal Elite]

I notice that a few people on this thread, including myself, are getting Cluj as the top county. I was wondering if there are more samples from Cluj than other parts of Romania and if it's throwing off the results a little. I only ask because I would have bet money Brasov (my #2 county) would be my top county given my family history in the region.

[Coastal Elite]

I notice that a few people on this thread, including myself, are getting Cluj as the top county. I was wondering if there are more samples from Cluj than other parts of Romania and if it's throwing off the results a little. I only ask because I would have bet money Brasov (my #2 county) would be my top county given my family history in the region.

Bump

[Coastal Elite]

Why the lack of Transylvanian Romanians on TA? Everyone seems to be from the south or Moldova.

[Luke35]

Why the lack of Transylvanian Romanians on TA? Everyone seems to be from the south or Moldova.

How many Romanians are regular, contributing members on the forum? And of those who has actually tested? I find it's the same thing with Hungarians and Germans - they are only represented by only a handful of members here.

When I think about it I am surprised sometimes that more people don't join the forum, and actually stick around.

[Seya]

Why the lack of Transylvanian Romanians on TA? Everyone seems to be from the south or Moldova.

Carpatz, aherne, Iris, The Foreigner (i think) are from Transylvania. many others are not active anymore. years ago most romanian members here were from Transylvania

[Coastal Elite]

How many Romanians are regular, contributing members on the forum? And of those who has actually tested? I find it's the same thing with Hungarians and Germans - they are only represented by only a handful of members here.

When I think about it I am surprised sometimes that more people don't join the forum, and actually stick around.

Yeah, I generally wonder why certain groups aren't well represented here like Germans, French, and certain East-Central European countries.


Carpatz, aherne, Iris, The Foreigner (i think) are from Transylvania. many others are not active anymore. years ago most romanian members here were from Transylvania

Yeah, I knew a couple were Transylvanian, just not that many. It's cool though, other parts of Romania are very interesting as well and I like to learn about them.

[Coastal Elite]

They just updated my regions for Romania. They added Subiu which is more accurate for me.

https://i.imgur.com/LEpBZZJ.jpg

In Order
Cluj County
Brașov County
Mureș County
Vaslui County
Maramureș County
Argeș County
Prahova
Alba County
Buzău County
Sibiu

[Coastal Elite]

Bump

[Tommie]

Carpatz, aherne, Iris, The Foreigner (i think) are from Transylvania.
Foreigner is from Dobrogea.

[Seya]

Foreigner is from Dobrogea.

are u sure? he's also mixed afaik. i hope i'm not mistaken him for somebody else

[Mingle]

are u sure? he's also mixed afaik. i hope i'm not mistaken him for somebody elseI also remember him saying he's from Dobrogea. He's part Gagauz.

[Seya]

I also remember him saying he's from Dobrogea. He's part Gagauz.

oh ok. so i only missed the Dobrogea part :))

[Tommie]

are u sure? he's also mixed afaik. i hope i'm not mistaken him for somebody else
Yeah, I remember him telling me so and he is mixed, indeed.

[Impaler]

So Dolj, Constanta and Dambovita are on top.

http://i.imgur.com/JUWsM5h.png (https://imgur.com/JUWsM5h)

[Achaean]

Looks like everyone is capped at maximum 10 regions.

https://i.ibb.co/71RSPpm/23andme.png

[Zmey Gorynych]

It has changed a bit (Cluj dropped from 1st to 5th) but I'm still Transylvania heavy.

https://i.imgur.com/MX8qdfj.png

[Seya]

i got a new region :)
https://i.imgur.com/iJfgwAi.jpg

[IrisSelene]

I lost Doli and got Constanta instead.... Interesting lol

Before and after https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191013/d7949c1b9bf74b36b40e94e3a5bdacdc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191013/9da7e9cc5210cfbbc7d4eba3fb70d002.jpg

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[Coastal Elite]

I just can't shake the Cluj on 23andme.

[Seya]

It has changed a bit (Cluj dropped from 1st to 5th) but I'm still Transylvania heavy.

https://i.imgur.com/MX8qdfj.png

Do u get regions in R. Moldova?

[Aspirin]

i got a new region :)
https://i.imgur.com/iJfgwAi.jpg

Awful map, part of Transnistria is incorporated in Rezina district. The northern part of Transnistria took a part of Florești district forming totally an unknown new administrative formation.

[Seya]

Awful map, part of Transnistria is incorporated in Rezina district. The northern part of Transnistria took a part of Florești district forming totally an unknown new administrative formation.

There are too many and too small, so..could be..
I got Hîncești District and Rezina District

[Seya]

ok. so my romanian map change too. i just noticed. this are my new maps:
https://i.imgur.com/YNcCErf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iJfgwAi.jpg

[IrisSelene]

ok. so my romanian map change too. i just noticed. this are my new maps:
https://i.imgur.com/YNcCErf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iJfgwAi.jpgWow my Romanian map is from all over the place but yours is so centered on the east lmao

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[Seya]

Wow my Romanian map is from all over the place but yours is so centered on the east lmao

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Yes, it’s getting more accurate. I had some counties in Transylvania before that made no sense to me

[War Chef]

I don't get any Romania matches. Or any region matches except for Greece :(

[IrisSelene]

Yes, it’s getting more accurate. I had some counties in Transylvania before that made no sense to meThen I guess I do have some southern ancestry... I mean I had expected it bc of my grandma being Bulgarian and all.

There are some counties in Central Romania that I've never heard of having relatives there lol

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[Seya]

Then I guess I do have some southern ancestry... I mean I had expected it bc of my grandma being Bulgarian and all.

There are some counties in Central Romania that I've never heard of having relatives there lol

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Do u get regions in bulgaria? I also don’t know about relatives from all those regions but who knows...it kinda make sense...now more than before

[IrisSelene]

Do u get regions in bulgaria? I also don’t know about relatives from all those regions but who knows...it kinda make sense...now more than beforeNope, even after the update I still don't get Bulgaria lol

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[Jana]

ok. so my romanian map change too. i just noticed. this are my new maps:
https://i.imgur.com/YNcCErf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iJfgwAi.jpg

You're totally East Romanian, getting both Romanian Moldova, Republic of Moldova + Dobrogea. Cool! :thumb001:
fits your genetic shift to the east and phenotype

[Seya]

You're totally East Romanian, getting both Romanian Moldova, Republic of Moldova + Dobrogea. Cool! :thumb001:
fits your genetic shift to the east and phenotype

:) yes it seems so. I got R. Moldova and lost Dalmatia, which didn’t make much sense anyway :)

[Seya]

Nope, even after the update I still don't get Bulgaria lol

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Maybe your bulgarian ancestry is just a legend :)) or your grandma came from bulgaria but wasn’t bulgarian

[IrisSelene]

Maybe your bulgarian ancestry is just a legend :)) or your grandma came from bulgaria but wasn’t bulgarianThat's what the other Romanian members told me too but I refuse to believe she was just Romanian and they lied about it for years lol

The only option I can accept is that they were Greek. And that's why I get Greece as likely and why I get high west Asian, which shouldn't be there if I really was just west Romanian.

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[Nurzat]

You're totally East Romanian, getting both Romanian Moldova, Republic of Moldova + Dobrogea. Cool! :thumb001:
fits your genetic shift to the east and phenotype

with the update I only got Ukrainian and Romanian regions left - Polish, Croatian and Greek regions disappeared.
also, the Romanian and the Ukrainian county I got strong match for and real ancestry from, are neighbouring. so I am a very local guy xD

https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72438898_1913923475420686_4510125465104547840_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQn4FKbooGq2kplSycSqWBJHdibkDpZ4eluYRDxGb14 aw5kpUSOG13LBDmWCXdVLghY&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-2.fna&oh=d7fde16dc7a2df796d5e84a2886aab04&oe=5E353CE3

https://scontent.fotp1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71902229_1913959452083755_5384679857105928192_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQlmTxpBkq4nhmD-EwG9XmFFrVsjgCRYrUcSmWWsGJ7GbKiPVx9Igmx4LsuJVcmnTq E&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-1.fna&oh=14bd8b5adde430f5e917388c6255b0e2&oe=5E639602

[Jana]

with the update I only got Ukrainian and Romanian regions left - Polish, Croatian and Greek regions disappeared.
also, the Romanian and the Ukrainian county I got strong match for and real ancestry from, are neighbouring. so I am a very local guy xD

https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72438898_1913923475420686_4510125465104547840_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQn4FKbooGq2kplSycSqWBJHdibkDpZ4eluYRDxGb14 aw5kpUSOG13LBDmWCXdVLghY&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-2.fna&oh=d7fde16dc7a2df796d5e84a2886aab04&oe=5E353CE3

https://scontent.fotp1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71902229_1913959452083755_5384679857105928192_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQlmTxpBkq4nhmD-EwG9XmFFrVsjgCRYrUcSmWWsGJ7GbKiPVx9Igmx4LsuJVcmnTq E&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-1.fna&oh=14bd8b5adde430f5e917388c6255b0e2&oe=5E639602

Nice. Like Seya you also seem very pure, just north Romanian instead of east. And Ruthenian ofc. Makes sense.

[IrisSelene]

Nice. Like Seya you also seem very pure, just north Romanian instead of east. And Ruthenian ofc. Makes sense.What about me [emoji1787]

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[IrisSelene]

The update for me didn't get rid of any country or region aside from a Romanian one...

So idk... I still get Croatia, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia...

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[Jana]

What about me [emoji1787]

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Pan-Romanian slightly leaning on west side

[Jana]

Looks like everyone is capped at maximum 10 regions.

https://i.ibb.co/71RSPpm/23andme.png

Mures is 40% Szekely county :D

[Seya]

The update for me didn't get rid of any country or region aside from a Romanian one...

So idk... I still get Croatia, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia...

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Jesus..i have 4 countries, if i count R.Moldova too. my mom has only 3

[Nurzat]

Nice. Like Seya you also seem very pure, just north Romanian instead of east. And Ruthenian ofc. Makes sense.

46% Balkan & 42% Eastern Euro by this update. only 0.4% Chinese and the rest is broadly Euro (South, North...). so no MENA & other non-Euro not even at noise level. but the results of my Romanian connections greatly vary. some are up to 30% West Asian. since 23andme targets very recent ancestry, people scoring non-local stuff may really have recent ancestry from there - in Romania it's expected Greeks (both Balkan and Asia Minor) left a lot of genes around in the 200 years they were the masters of Moldova and Wallachia (Phanariotes); each village had a Greek boyar (nobleman / landowner).

[IrisSelene]

46% Balkan & 42% Eastern Euro by this update. only 0.4% Chinese and the rest is broadly Euro (South, North...). so no MENA & other non-Euro not even at noise level. but the results of my Romanian connections greatly vary. some are up to 30% West Asian. since 23andme targets very recent ancestry, people scoring non-local stuff may really have recent ancestry from there - in Romania it's expected Greeks (both Balkan and Asia Minor) left a lot of genes around in the 200 years they were the masters of Moldova and Wallachia (Phanariotes); each village had a Greek boyar (nobleman / landowner).What's ur direct ancestry??

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[IrisSelene]

Jesus..i have 4 countries, if i count R.Moldova too. my mom has only 3Yeah, I have lots of countries and idk why everyone's is disappearing but mine are still there lol

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[IrisSelene]

Pan-Romanian slightly leaning on west sideIm curious if the regions is based on actual DNA, or people from my ancestry that just happened to live in those regions... Or if it's actually that they're natives to that region...

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[Seya]

Im curious if the regions is based on actual DNA, or people from my ancestry that just happened to live in those regions... Or if it's actually that they're natives to that region...

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in general people are marking the place of origin but who knows..

[Nurzat]

What's ur direct ancestry??

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I am Ukrainian ethnic from the Ukrainian belt in north Romania: Bucovina-Maramures compact region of Ukrainian-speaking villages that roughly goes from Siret to Sighet and from Humor - Cimpulung - Dorna to the border.

my mother is Moldovan from Vaslui county but I grew up on my dad's region (mom came here). so genetically I am half Moldovan half Ruthenian or half Romanian half Ukrainian more broadly speaking.

[Pansarkamrat]

I am Ukrainian ethnic from the Ukrainian belt in north Romania: Bucovina-Maramures compact region of Ukrainian-speaking villages that roughly goes from Siret to Sighet and from Humor - Cimpulung - Dorna to the border.

my mother is Moldovan from Vaslui county but I grew up on my dad's region (mom moved there). so genetically I am half Moldovan half Ruthenian or half Romanian half Ukrainian more broadly speaking.

You look Ukrainian

[IrisSelene]

I am Ukrainian ethnic from the Ukrainian belt in north Romania: Bucovina-Maramures compact region of Ukrainian-speaking villages that roughly goes from Siret to Sighet and from Humor - Cimpulung - Dorna to the border.

my mother is Moldovan from Vaslui county but I grew up on my dad's region (mom came here). so genetically I am half Moldovan half Ruthenian or half Romanian half Ukrainian more broadly speaking.That's interesting... I didn't even know there were Ukrainian speaking villages in Romania lol but yeah makes sense then cuz I was wondering how did u get more ee than me haha

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[Nurzat]

You look Ukrainian

much less so than my brother or most of my relatives, though. I am at the least Slavic end of the looks in my family, I am the most Balkan-influenced in the whole family.

in the past month in Italy I've been guessed as Russian, German and Albanian xD in Romania I was told I have a Moldovan face in Timisoara (Banat) and Bucharest.

[IrisSelene]

much less so than my brother or most of my relatives, though. I am at the least Slavic end of the looks in my family, I am the most Balkan-influenced in the whole family.

in the past month in Italy I've been guessed as Russian, German and Albanian xD in Romania I was told I have a Moldovan face in Timisoara (Banat) and Bucharest.I can see u passing as Russian or German but isn't Albanian a rlly random guess?

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[Nurzat]

I can see u passing as Russian or German but isn't Albanian a rlly random guess?

actually it was a Romanian that told me "oh you're Romanian, I thought you were Albanian or something, anyway I could tell you're from that region" xD

I look quite neutral, I could pass in a few places in Europe with different haircuts and styles, everywhere on the 45 degrees north parallel :cool: including as a more Alpine-leaning Italian

https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71188309_1893402554139445_2924470814126374912_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQnfagpsxdjdIhApDyuetitt3DZIUg8xhas5WDDsUa-vXGxNF5DYpHBIKxXdKlrn-vE&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-2.fna&oh=d92c0549d84a02f5cb3722f9c464d8af&oe=5E1C6D7D

[Coastal Elite]

ok. so my romanian map change too. i just noticed. this are my new maps:
https://i.imgur.com/YNcCErf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iJfgwAi.jpg

Didn't you have Bucharest in past? I was one of the few that didn't get it. Seems more accurate for you now?

[Seya]

Didn't you have Bucharest in past? I was one of the few that didn't get it. Seems more accurate for you now?

Yes, i had bucharest but it’s gone. I has some region in Transylvania too. I think this is more accurate indeed

[Coastal Elite]

https://i.imgur.com/G54kwpH.jpg

Cluj and Brasov are strongest

Updated. This update seems more accurate since my family is from the Brasov-Fagaras region

https://i.imgur.com/2TrJQ74.jpg

[Coastal Elite]

bump

[Ion Basescul]

Updated. This update seems more accurate since my family is from the Brasov-Fagaras region

https://i.imgur.com/2TrJQ74.jpg

I think a lot of us are on older chips, so don't have anything new to post here. But I realised that I haven't shown my regions for Romania and Moldova in this thread. So here are my v5.2 ones:

https://i.ibb.co/HYjY955/image.png

https://i.ibb.co/n6t7xSf/image.png

[Coastal Elite]

I think a lot of us are on older chips, so don't have anything new to post here. But I realised that I haven't shown my regions for Romania and Moldova in this thread. So here are my v5.2 ones:

https://i.ibb.co/HYjY955/image.png

https://i.ibb.co/n6t7xSf/image.png

Interesting results. We actually have some overlap in central Romania. I thought your results would be decidedly Moldovan. Do you have any ancestry from Cluj or that region? I suspected Cluj gets a large amount of samples for Transylvania due to it being a more affluent college town but I'm not sure if that really skews the results.

[Ion Basescul]

Interesting results. We actually have some overlap in central Romania. I thought your results would be decidedly Moldovan. Do you have any ancestry from Cluj or that region? I suspected Cluj gets a large amount of samples for Transylvania due to it being a more affluent college town but I'm not sure if that really skews the results.

There are few users from Moldova on 23andme, it being primarily an American service. I've got matches from Moldova in the lower 20s here, while on MyHeritage it's in the 90s. Zmey Gorynych, the other user from Moldova on 23andme, didn't get any region for example so that's not surprising.
No, my ancestry is limited to the territory of Republic of Moldova from what I am aware. But my surname, while being in top 50 in Republic of Moldova is very rare in Romania, and occurs almost exclusively in the villages of Hunedoara-Alba counties of Transylvania. The rest of the points on the map are just urban centres mostly, so they likely represent migrants from these villages or Republic of Moldova.

https://i.ibb.co/gSLm28s/image.png

https://i.ibb.co/gJ3SbT5/image.png

[Coastal Elite]

There are few users from Moldova on 23andme, it being primarily an American service. I've got matches from Moldova in the lower 20s here, while on MyHeritage it's in the 90s. Zmey Gorynych, the other user from Moldova on 23andme, didn't get any region for example so that's not surprising.
No, my ancestry is limited to the territory of Republic of Moldova from what I am aware. But my surname, while being in top 50 in Republic of Moldova is very rare in Romania, and occurs almost exclusively in Hunedoara county of Transylvania.

I hope you get updated results at some point. It's unfortunate that 23andMe isn't more popular there since it's inhouse calculator is much better than services like MyHeritage.

Just saw the maps. Those explain it well, thanks.

[Ion Basescul]

I hope you get updated results at some point. It's unfortunate that 23andMe isn't more popular there since it's inhouse calculator is much better than services like MyHeritage.

For now, MyHeritage's update supposedly will add regions too, so it has the potential of being significantly better for people in this region, since most test there as opposed to 23andme. I am on 23andme, because when I tested there wasn't such a thing as a MyHeritage genetic test. But my whole family is tested there, and I am actually waiting for my results too at the moment, which should be ready any day now.

https://i.ibb.co/bRJG9cK/image.png

[Coastal Elite]

For now, MyHeritage's update supposedly will add regions too, so it has the potential of being significantly better for people in this region, since most test there as opposed to 23andme. I am on 23andme, because when I tested there wasn't such a thing as a MyHeritage genetic test. But my whole family is tested there, and I am actually waiting for my results too at the moment, which should be ready any day now.

https://i.ibb.co/bRJG9cK/image.png

I look forward to the MyHeritage update because my results haven't changed in about 2 years. They interpreted my Romanian side as a mix of Greek/South Italy mixed with Baltic but in fairness I did not test with them, just uploaded Ancestry data. I'm sure it helps that you are spit testing.

https://i.imgur.com/3vyXE9t.jpg

[Ion Basescul]

I'm sure it helps that you are spit testing.



You actually swab the inside of the cheek with them, which is less disgusting.

[Chris596]

I hope you get updated results at some point. It's unfortunate that 23andMe isn't more popular there since it's inhouse calculator is much better than services like MyHeritage.

Just saw the maps. Those explain it well, thanks.

For example I wanted to go with 23andme but after all the hassle and inconvenience with their Customer Support for weeks, I left it all behind and chose Myheritage, cuz why not. At least I have the raw data.

[Jana]

Stears latest update:

https://i.imgur.com/qLG4YL7.png

[Coastal Elite]

For example I wanted to go with 23andme but after all the hassle and inconvenience with their Customer Support for weeks, I left it all behind and chose Myheritage, cuz why not. At least I have the raw data.

I've heard of Europeans waiting forever to get 23andMe results, meanwhile, I got my results maybe 10 days after I sent them in, no lie. I live in the same state as one of their labs but their customer service might prioritize Americans, not sure. I hope that improves.

[Luke35]

I've heard of Europeans waiting forever to get 23andMe results, meanwhile, I got my results maybe 10 days after I sent them in, no lie. I live in the same state as one of their labs but their customer service might prioritize Americans, not sure. I hope that improves.

Me too Dac, I got my results fast. If I remember, about 2 to 3 weeks, I was shocked at the time.

[someonenotyou]

Dad got a ton this update.

https://i.imgur.com/t1mX7ft.png

[Kökény]

Stears latest update:

https://i.imgur.com/qLG4YL7.png
I see they still can't get his ancestral county right. Well, at least he got some regions this time.

This is mine. Hargita dropped to second place. :cry2

https://i.imgur.com/722LjaS.jpg

[alexmegas777]

https://i.ibb.co/s3pKqHk/Untitled.png

[Nurzat]

Balkan 90.9%

how is it possible to get such high Balkan as Romanian - do you have extra Balkan ancestry? (like Aromanian)

[Ion Basescul]

how is it possible to get such high Balkan as Romanian - do you have extra Balkan ancestry? (like Aromanian)

You seem to look at his results from the prism of the algorithm of the previous iteration of 23andme. 90% was a lot previously where the Balkan component seemed to look Albanian to Bulgarian-like, but in this version it seems that people further North score it heartily too. They must have adjusted it to make it more relevant for people from Croatia - Serbia - Romania - Moldova. Afterall, we are also counted as part of the Balkan reference on 23andme.

Alex actually scores 30% North Atlantic and 20% Baltic on K13, so he is significantly Northwest shifted for a Romanian.

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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


30.11
20.59
20.39
10.51
13.94
2.83
0.03
0
1.49
0.03
0.08
0
0

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

[Nurzat]

You seem to look at his results from the prism of the algorithm of the previous iteration of 23andme. 90% was a lot previously where the Balkan component seemed to look Albanian to Bulgarian-like, but in this version it seems that people further North score it heartily too. They must have adjusted it to make it more relevant for people from Croatia - Serbia - Romania - Moldova. Afterall, we are also counted as part of the Balkan reference on 23andme.

Alex actually scores 30% North Atlantic and 20% Baltic on K13, so he is significantly Northwest shifted for a Romanian.

just checked and I am still at 46% Balkan (Romania, counties Suceava and Vaslui) and 42% Eastern Euro (Ukraine, counties Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv). it reads it with impressive accuracy.

[Coastal Elite]

Cluj seems overrepresented as a top region for people on here

[Dirdepo]

Cluj seems overrepresented as a top region for people on here

I noticed that, I don't get Cluj

[Dirdepo]

103117

[JosephK]

With the new update, I'm getting Romania for the first time:

https://i.imgur.com/78YlLlI.jpg

1. Cluj county
2. Maramures
3. Alba
4. Giurgiu
5. Tulcea
6. Prahova
7. Timis

[Cybele]

Compared to the older version, I now have Bucharest on the second place (before it was on third).
Also I don't have anymore Vâlcea and Sibiu, but Alba and Sălaj. I know for a fact that I have ancestry from Alba, so that fits.
Botoșani is also new. All in all, not big changes.

https://i.imgur.com/YqTB4jn.png

https://i.imgur.com/Wt1JKjH.png

[Abriekman]

https://i.imgur.com/wD3ccRv.jpg


I do not have Romanian ancestry, but 23andme gave me Romania for some reason, my Bulgarian ancestors were from Dobruja, so probably mixed with Gagauzes and Romanians

[Seya]

https://i.imgur.com/wD3ccRv.jpg


I do not have Romanian ancestry, but 23andme gave me Romania for some reason, my Bulgarian ancestors were from Dobruja, so probably mixed with Gagauzes and Romanians

why do you think your ancestor was mixed with gagauz? how far back are we talking about? there are no gagauz in romania or bulgaria today

[Abriekman]

why do you think your ancestor was mixed with gagauz? how far back are we talking about? there are no gagauz in romania or bulgaria today

Dobruja region is very diverse, a lot of Tatars,Turks,Gagauz, Romanians and Bulgarians, Gagauz were Bulgarinazed or Romanized and mixed with people of other ethnicities, I did not say my ancestors were mixed with them, but it is very possible

[Seya]

Dobruja region is very diverse, a lot of Tatars,Turks,Gagauz, Romanians and Bulgarians, Gagauz were Bulgarinazed or Romanized and mixed with people of other ethnicities, I did not say my ancestors were mixed with them, but it is very possible

gagauz people are genetically in the same range with bulgarians and romanians. if not for the language, you cannot tell them apart. there are no gagauz today in dobruja or if there is any it's like looking for a needle in the haystack. there are indeed crimean tatars, nogais (95% of them in northern dobruja (romania), turks, aromanians and lipovans mainly

[Abriekman]

gagauz people are genetically in the same range with bulgarians and romanians. if not for the language, you cannot tell them apart. there are no gagauz today in dobruja or if there is any it's like looking for a needle in the haystack. there are indeed crimean tatars, nogais (95% of them in northern dobruja (romania), turks, aromanians and lipovans mainly

I don't care about modern population of this region, my ancestors were moved from there in 1768 and mixed for 150 years with people from one village in other country. I know Gagauz are mostly Balkanic, you did not say something new to me

[Chris596]

My time has C U M

https://i.imgur.com/mjOpEZE.png

1. Sibiu
2. Mehedinti
3. Cluj
4. Bucharest
5. Buzau
6. Prahova
7. Alba
8. Dambovita
9. Bihor
10. Dolj

[Jana]

Reposting Stears because previous photo expired

https://i.imgur.com/sKtzsjz.png

1. Brașov
2. Cluj
3. Iași
4. Argeș
5. Bihor
6. Suceava
7. Alba

[chrisbab]

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[chrisbab]

You seem to look at his results from the prism of the algorithm of the previous iteration of 23andme. 90% was a lot previously where the Balkan component seemed to look Albanian to Bulgarian-like, but in this version it seems that people further North score it heartily too. They must have adjusted it to make it more relevant for people from Croatia - Serbia - Romania - Moldova. Afterall, we are also counted as part of the Balkan reference on 23andme.

Alex actually scores 30% North Atlantic and 20% Baltic on K13, so he is significantly Northwest shifted for a Romanian.

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


30.11
20.59
20.39
10.51
13.94
2.83
0.03
0
1.49
0.03
0.08
0
0

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Can you send a pic of the Romanian pca map with the names of the regions?

[Coastal Elite]

Updated. This update seems more accurate since my family is from the Brasov-Fagaras region

https://i.imgur.com/2TrJQ74.jpg

Map vs the grandparents birth places of my 42 Romanian matches on 23andMe. Fairly similar. Brasov, Cluj, Mures, and Alba were the most common locations for the grandparent's birth location.

Brasov County 3
Mureș County 3
Cluj County 3
Alba County 3
Sibiu County 2
Vâlcea County 2
Prahova County 2
Bihor County 2
Constanța County
Harghita County
Dolj County
Vaslui County
Bacău County
Timiș County
Bistrița-Năsăud County
Sălaj County

[MandM]

https://i.ibb.co/hLQ9crZ/23and.png (https://ibb.co/hLQ9crZ)

[Coastal Elite]

I noticed that a number of people with Romanian or Balkan ancestry were getting "Peloponnese, Greece" as a sub-region on 23andMe. I've read a few places that it might be a sampling error since a disproportionate number of "Balkan" samples are from Greek Americans.