Post your Germany 23andme Regions

[Cumansky]

89449

[Cumansky]

Had to do it.

[nittionia]

https://i.imgur.com/SURJDWK.png
https://i.imgur.com/2uHb6TK.png

[farke1]

Sorry for making this slightly offtopic, but does anyone else not have any French & German regions on 23andme? Took the test at the end of last year and it's given me the same message ever since then. Nothing changes, even with beta results enabled. Feelsbadman.

https://i.imgur.com/0VjbnmY.png

[Cumansky]

Sorry for making this slightly offtopic, but does anyone else not have any French & German regions on 23andme? Took the test at the end of last year and it's given me the same message ever since then. Nothing changes, even with beta results enabled. Feelsbadman.

Not off topic, you have to ask questions in this life.

I don't know why you don't have a region tho, I used to be like you no regions and then one day they updated it and I got 25 regions in 8 countries.

[Jana]

https://i.imgur.com/E3mbox0.png

[Not a Cop]

Only North rhine and Westphalia.

[Cumansky]

https://i.imgur.com/E3mbox0.png

Saxonica

[Luke35]

https://i.imgur.com/jPgfpnT.png

[wisteria]

Sorry for making this slightly offtopic, but does anyone else not have any French & German regions on 23andme? Took the test at the end of last year and it's given me the same message ever since then. Nothing changes, even with beta results enabled. Feelsbadman.

https://i.imgur.com/0VjbnmY.png
I didn’t get any regions for French and German either and they even gave me a pretty big chunk, 27% before beta and 25% after. Kinda disappointed

[farke1]

I didn’t get any regions for French and German either and they even gave me a pretty big chunk, 27% before beta and 25% after. Kinda disappointed
That's insane. I really hope they'll completely overhaul the "French and German" category anyway, the genetic diversity in that region should be great enough that a company with a reference base as large as 23andme should be able to differentiate between the six countries included within it.

[JosephK]

"Although it is likely you had ancestors who lived in Germany in the last 200 years, we have not been able to identify the specific regions in Germany where your ancestors may have lived."

[frankhammer]

That's insane. I really hope they'll completely overhaul the "French and German" category anyway, the genetic diversity in that region should be great enough that a company with a reference base as large as 23andme should be able to differentiate between the six countries included within it.

I wonder how much this has to do with the French ban on DNA testing.

[frankhammer]

https://i.imgur.com/vHFr6iw.png

[someonenotyou]

https://i.imgur.com/93NvFp8.png
My grandfather's family use have the surname Elbert before changing it something more Hungarian but beyond that I know nothing.

[visar]

https://i.imgur.com/SI2d14N.png

Dont know why they give me so many regions. I have relatives in Hamburg

[Peterski]

Only North rhine and Westphalia.

Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/U9tjQvq.png

[Norb]

Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/U9tjQvq.png

Germanski

[RenaRyuguu]

I have no regions cuz everyone left for the US and didn't get tested. I'm from Frankfurt

[Ülev]

Frankfurt/Oder? :rolleyes:

[Peterski]

Germanski

Or Francuski lol:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?296436-Post-your-France-23andMe-regions


Frankfurt/Oder? :rolleyes:

Frankfort/Kentucky.

[Norb]

Or Francuski lol:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?296436-Post-your-France-23andMe-regions

or that, I thought you might like to be called Germanski much more though :D

[Ülev]

not Germanski, Volksdeutsche, all of you, having German A-DNA :cool:

[Norb]

not Germanski, Volksdeutsche, all of you, having German A-DNA :cool:

isn't Peterski's Y-DNA Iberian? Mine is Slavic :rolleyes:

[Peterski]

Mine is Slavic :rolleyes:

Norbski :D

[Ülev]

isn't Peterski's Y-DNA Iberian? Mine is Slavic :rolleyes:

East Block Latino he is

[ksha]

https://i.ibb.co/SBJHkjb/german-regions.png (https://ibb.co/HqXRcS6)

[nittionia]

https://i.imgur.com/SURJDWK.png
https://i.imgur.com/2uHb6TK.png

Here is my dad's region (Hesse):
https://i.imgur.com/YA5700o.png
My grandma has mostly Swiss dna but she shares Bavaria with me:
https://i.imgur.com/7rjrAEJ.png

[Benyzero]

https://i.imgur.com/t5v2NMp.png

[nittionia]

My regions updated:
https://i.imgur.com/QKx6N5R.jpg

[Jana]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringia

[Maintenance]

none

[Figaro]

Collectively, I get on there Berlin, Baden-Wurttemberg, and North Rhine-Westphalia.

Baden-Wurttemberg is probably the only true one out of those, that I could verify via paper-trail research.

[nittionia]

My regions updated:
https://i.imgur.com/QKx6N5R.jpg

Does anyone else have Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? This one and Bavaria seem to be the closest for me in terms of paper ancestry


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[IrisSelene]

i get like 7% german but it cant match a country yet...

[nittionia]

My grandma's regions updated for Switzerland, Grisons is the strongest match (most eastern canton in Switzerland). She still only has Bavaria for Germany.
https://i.imgur.com/KfE6Rau.jpg

[RenaRyuguu]

https://i.imgur.com/5WNtx0S.png

I finally got a region for my German percentage it's Hesse.

[TheOldNorth]

I don't have any but my dad has North Rhine-Westphalia, Hesse, and Baden-Wuttemburg in that order from greatest to least

[Morticia]

The only one I've received is Baden-Wurrtemburg. Which is bizarre considering I have no known ancestry from that region.

[wisteria]

They finally gave me a region after the last update
https://i.imgur.com/VAs4Tqp.jpg

[PrettyFarFromOkay]

Bavaria, Lower Saxony and Berlin. No ancestors from Berlin that I know of, but I definitely have ancestors from the other two. I also know for a fact that I have ancestors from North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate, but they don’t show up. It’s less accurate when it comes to Austrian regions.

[nittionia]

I don’t think I posted my regions from when the beta ended:
https://i.imgur.com/KExybN2.jpg

[Cumansky]

They remove my Germany regions when I make this thread

[Cumansky]

Germans are Slavs not I am German

[Teutonski]

https://i.imgur.com/rD1m5nd.jpg

[RandomGuy20]

https://i.imgur.com/lBZZYLW.png

[Maintenance]

i heff none

[oszkar07]

https://i.imgur.com/8AwMc3b.jpg?1

[Benyzero]

I have saxony added since I posted it : )

[nittionia]

I hope they update this soon and also assign my ~20% broadly regions

https://i.imgur.com/0Sq6xzO.jpg

[Luke35]

23andMe has been in the process of adding "Genetic Groups" to the various regions. This is different from the "Country Matches" tool that they currently employ in all regions. Genetic Groups seems to be more akin to AncestryDNA's Communities. I was hoping French & German was next in line to get Genetic Groups. But with the breach and also the general decline of the company, my confidence for continued innovation is fading.

[Feiichy]

I had Thuringia which was very weird to me, but since I have ancestry from Fulda district that is near Thuringia I guess it's not that outrageous to get.

[MCMXCV]

Parent with 11.4% French & German:
https://uc1de43ad840cc625b217ea5ada4.previews.dropboxuserc ontent.com/p/thumb/ACLRZPaq2T8sEW3N8XAxNYpZ_jKjm6zs6u5WBkXUr3arvutgY0 luJzaFdiUVxWdVTWJXj-AzlIFUq3XTOWNLSYusDtVSBY9cTpJnpG6m50G8NyIwXloL2vn5 lG53UEtZ35HDjUl_Spnhnff7JGZuCjl4uq9oox6WefqleIJpih ev2_edYjrxekl78FOJRRqRyPhprZSHzu_IaG6J1uRdgTt2Tews i1BnSvI9tmQlG_SpqBROhtwzl2TrXE2HhRLfz1EvF252O-yjjcUuTwwUOpNTISEkj5OEbb_0kFyIKbv61unZHdAEGjQ76BBW jQGEW7jC3wyXujIhJh8fGoO7m5ujALvQDdOKqe8eTb3d6A0b47 ajjT897bwHhOty21Lv2d8/p.png


Grandparent 2 with 17.1% French & German:
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Me with 12.1% and Grandparent 1 with 22.5% French & German don’t get any specified subregions.

[leachim_x]

Hi, I'm the new guy ;-)
Here is mine. Pretty much dead on from what i knew about my ancestors.

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[Figaro]

Hi, Im the new guy ;-)
Here is mine. Pretty much dead on from what i knew about my ancestors.


Nice to hear you have an accurate reading. Welcome to the forum!

[ScandinavianCelt]

https://i.postimg.cc/sf5JzkTb/german-french-23andme-map.png (https://postimages.org/)

[rothaer]

Hi, I'm the new guy ;-)
Here is mine. Pretty much dead on from what i knew about my ancestors.
(...)

An interesting result. And it makes sense considering the told ancestry.

[rothaer]

My 23andMe (V4 chip, not updated anymore since July 2021) regions in the FRG are almost inverted compared to my ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/C3Wad4h.jpeg

- I've zero ancestry hailing from North Rhine-Westphalia and Hesse (summarisingly you can say that the conditions for the last 300-400 years are known).

- I've essentially zero ancestry hailing from Bavaria. Abt. 0.1% of my ancestry is from there 10 generations ago and if you trace that tiny proportion farther back, it doesn't even hail from Bavaria but from Austria and Western Bohemia.

- I've abt. 3% ancestry from Baden-Württemberg so depicting it is okay.

- The depiction of Saxony is okay.

- From Thuringia I also just have some 1-2% of ancestry but much is in directly bordering Saxony-Anhalt.

Conclusion:

This 23andMe tool seems a catastrophe. I also don't know how they want to have gathered the required information that they base these regions on. They hardly support any trees and just ask for where the four grandparents were born and they know where the purchasers of tests do reside. I've the impression that they in some way do connect to post WWII resident conditions.

The correct map would have looked something like this (quick & dirty):

https://i.imgur.com/6pc0Xr7.jpeg

[Luke35]

Well, I hadn't looked at my mother's result in a long time and I forget it's actually pretty good. Basically, the correct regions are highlighted. Also, in Poland she get's Greater Poland Voivodeship, which is in fact where we have German ancestors from.

I still eagerly anticipate the eventual release of the "Genetic Groups" feature for the French & German category. Rothaer's example, and many others, show the inconsistency in the current "Country Matches" feature.

https://i.imgur.com/EXemOY8.png

[Luke35]

My 23andMe (V4 chip, not updated anymore since July 2021) regions in the FRG are almost inverted compared to my ancestry.

As I understand it, this is showing where clusters of your relatives, who have reported that they have 4 grandparents from the region, live now. So, in theory, this could be showing migration from Northern and Eastern Germany, to the South. Perhaps this took place several generations before grandparent level, as I assume it's possible these locations represent a volume of your distant matches, not necessarily your close matches? Just speculation on my part.

[rothaer]

As I understand it, this is showing where clusters of your relatives, who have reported that they have 4 grandparents from the region, live now. So, in theory, this could be showing migration from Northern and Eastern Germany, to the South. Perhaps this took place several generations before grandparent level, as I assume it's possible these locations represent a volume of your distant matches, not necessarily your close matches? Just speculation on my part.

I simply don't know. But I know that it doesn't fit.

[JerryS.]

Pretty close for the German and Italian. My UK/Irish results are just one solid blue over the whole region hahaha.

[leachim_x]

My 23andMe (V4 chip, not updated anymore since July 2021) regions in the FRG are almost inverted compared to my ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/C3Wad4h.jpeg

- I've zero ancestry hailing from North Rhine-Westphalia and Hesse (summarisingly you can say that the conditions for the last 300-400 years are known).

- I've essentially zero ancestry hailing from Bavaria. Abt. 0.1% of my ancestry is from there 10 generations ago and if you trace that tiny proportion farther back, it doesn't even hail from Bavaria but from Austria and Western Bohemia.

- I've abt. 3% ancestry from Baden-Württemberg so depicting it is okay.

- The depiction of Saxony is okay.

- From Thuringia I also just have some 1-2% of ancestry but much is in directly bordering Saxony-Anhalt.

Conclusion:

This 23andMe tool seems a catastrophe. I also don't know how they want to have gathered the required information that they base these regions on. They hardly support any trees and just ask for where the four grandparents were born and they know where the purchasers of tests do reside. I've the impression that they in some way do connect to post WWII resident conditions.

The correct map would have looked something like this (quick & dirty):

https://i.imgur.com/6pc0Xr7.jpeg

I have never seen such an illogical distribution of 23and me. Maybe there is one or more unknown connections to the regions (with strong recombinations).

In all the comparison videos crom CEU's, 23andme always was the most accurate, and had the best match to the previous information the testers had. So in comparsion to myheritage and even AncestryDNA it seemed to be the most reasonable and logical result.

However, what i have noticed is that 23andme tends to show you at least medium-strong occurrences in dense areas within a radius of 3-500km. So i see North Holland in almost every West German tested and NRW in almost every tested Dutchmen. Kinda the same with city states like Berlin and Hamburg. So most likely the population density is a big factor.

Maybe 23andme is just bad with eastern germans at this point.

[nittionia]

They updated German regions/groups recently. I hope my broadly percentages will go down soon

https://i.imgur.com/j6QCDYz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6OuGJ1r.jpg

[SudanGuy]

They updated German regions/groups recently. I hope my broadly percentages will go down soon

https://i.imgur.com/j6QCDYz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6OuGJ1r.jpg

How German are you Princess?

[Peterski]

My new German genetic groups are Eastern Bavarian Highlands and Eastern German Plains:

https://i.imgur.com/X92Zodi.png

[rothaer]

My new German genetic groups are Eastern Bavarian Highlands and Eastern German Plains:
(...)

My siblings are on the V5 chip and I guess I'd get about the same (here sibling3). Btw. this result is correct:

https://i.imgur.com/mNSepPO.jpeg

[rothaer]

My new German genetic groups are Eastern Bavarian Highlands and (…)


Do you have „Bamber“ ancestry?

The regions are determined by matches which means that the connections can not be indefinitely old. As for Wielkopolska I only have Bambers in mind. But also Comenius-like folks from Bohemia would be possible if they had also some German ancestry. Because what was German in Western Bohemia was Bavarian derived.

[Kiel]

This is the only region I have on 23andme
One of my great grandmas used to say that his fathers ancestors originally came from somewhere near Vaduz. I could never actually confirm that. Apart from this story I dont know of any connection to this area.
https://i.ibb.co/hRL2Pp6/IMG-0840.png

[Peterski]

Do you have „Bamber“ ancestry?

Nope as far as I know.


As for Wielkopolska I only have Bambers in mind.

I read somewhere (unfortunately I don't remember where) that around 100,000 Catholic Germans were Polonised in Wielkopolska during the 1800s. So it is not just Bambers but in general all Catholic Germans that were "vulnerable" to Polonization.


The regions are determined by matches which means that the connections can not be indefinitely old.

How old can they be? From the 1700s?


But also Comenius-like folks from Bohemia would be possible if they had also some German ancestry. Because what was German in Western Bohemia was Bavarian derived.

Yes this is also possible.

[rothaer]

I read somewhere (unfortunately I don't remember where) that around 100,000 Catholic Germans were Polonised in Wielkopolska during the 1800s. So it is not just Bambers but in general all Catholic Germans that were "vulnerable" to Polonization.

Of course. I don't see an intake of Germans in Wielkopolska Poles as a conundrum. But such hailing from Franconia/Bavaria is what is harder to explain.


How old can they be? From the 1700s?

I don't know 23andMe's alogarithm so I can just try an educated guess. And if I think of matches in genealogy the connections before the 1600s ought to be excluded. Something like that. I'm aware that Comenius then becomes critical.

I know that with phased DNA on both sides of the comparison (usually then trios are used) you actually do get back something like 1500 years, i. e. to abt. 500 AD, with small matches that still can be considered significant.

[oszkar07]

10.2% French & German
Germany has 16 administrative regions.
You share DNA with 23andMe participants who most frequently report their ancestors were from the following 4 regions.

1)Rhineland-Palatinate

2)Hesse

3)Lower Saxony

4)Saxony

[nittionia]

They updated German regions/groups recently. I hope my broadly percentages will go down soon

https://i.imgur.com/j6QCDYz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6OuGJ1r.jpg

I'll add my mom's updated genetic groups too:

https://i.imgur.com/wcmT5oh.png

[noricum]

https://i.postimg.cc/Cxk4LNpN/domov.png (https://postimg.cc/pmVjsKTh)

[ShieldWolf]

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