Actual Medieval Rurikid DNA - not from modern people who claim descent from Rurik

[Peterski]

DNA of prince Gleb Svyatoslavovich from the grave in Chernihiv cathedral was tested, he was I2a-Din not N1c:

Gleb Svyatoslavovich in this publication about Viking Age DNA is the sample VK542:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/703405v1

If I'm not mistaken, Gleb Svyatoslavovich was directly descended from Rurik himself.

And since he was I2a-Din, it makes the theory about I2a-Din Rurik more probable:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258329-I2a1b-CTS10228-Rurikids

In terms of autosomal DNA, Gleb Svyatoslavovich (VK542) was ca. 71% Slavic and 25% South Euro (Table S6):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/07/17/703405/DC3/embed/media-3.xlsx?download=true

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Another Rurikid prince tested in this publication was Izyaslav Ingvarovich - his haplogroup was R1a-L1029.

In terms of autosomal DNA, Izyaslav Ingvarovich (buried in Lutsk) - sample VK541 - was over 95% Slavic.

[Peterski]

This is actual DNA extracted from bones in Rurikid dynasty's Medieval graves.

Not some N1c from modern people who claim descent from Rurik but can't prove there was no Non-Paternal Event along the way.

[XenophobicPrussian]

This is actual DNA extracted from bones in Rurikid dynasty's Medieval graves.

Not some N1c from modern people who claim descent from Rurik but can't prove there was no Non-Paternal Event along the way.
lol, are you saying Eupedia used people claiming modern descent for their stupid Y-DNA among famous ancient people page?

[Peterski]

lol, are you saying Eupedia used people claiming modern descent for their stupid Y-DNA among famous ancient people page?

Of course, there were no ancient DNA studies about Rurikids so far.

Russians have a theory that N1c is "intrusive" in the Rurikid dynasty because Ingegerd cheated with King Olaf II of Norway:

https://space-time.ru/space-time/article/view/2226-7271provr_st3-21.2015.71

https://space-time.ru/space-time/article/download/2226-7271provr_st3-21.2015.71/207/

(I guess proving that King Olaf II of Norway was N1c and of the "Rurikid subclade" of N1c would make this more probable)

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Coming back to Gleb's autosomal DNA (his grandmother was Ingegerd):

Ingegerd's mother would be "Polish-like":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrid_of_the_Obotrites

Ingegerd's paternal grandmother as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Awi%C4%99tos%C5%82awa

So Ingegerd could be >3/4 "Polish-like" autosomally, not "Swedish-like"...

[XenophobicPrussian]

Of course, there were no ancient DNA studies about Rurikids so far.

Russians have a theory that N1c is "intrusive" in the Rurikid dynasty because Ingegerd cheated with King Olaf II of Norway:

https://space-time.ru/space-time/article/view/2226-7271provr_st3-21.2015.71

https://space-time.ru/space-time/article/download/2226-7271provr_st3-21.2015.71/207/

(I guess proving that King Olaf II of Norway was N1c and of the "Rurikid subclade" of N1c would make this more probable)
Not surprising, given Eupedia still claim R1 entered Europe with neolithic farmers.

It's interesting that it's I2a-Din and not a local one, is the majority of Ukrainian/Russian I2a still Din? It could mean the migration to the Balkans was one of Slavic elites and not so much commoners, which is weird.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Are both Gleb Svyatoslavovich (I2a) and Izyaslav Ingvarovich (R1a) considered patrilineal Rurikids?

[Dick]

lol, are you saying Eupedia used people claiming modern descent for their stupid Y-DNA among famous ancient people page?

Not all of it is stupid. For example Sting, the rock star, actually did a Ydna test.

[Dick]

It could mean the migration to the Balkans was one of Slavic elites and not so much commoners, which is weird.

I disagree. Elites didnt even know about genetics back then. They couldve been anything

[MagnusDark]

DNA of prince Gleb Svyatoslavovich from the grave in Chernihiv cathedral was tested, he was I2a-Din not N1c:

Gleb Svyatoslavovich in this publication about Viking Age DNA is the sample VK542:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/703405v1

If I'm not mistaken, Gleb Svyatoslavovich was directly descended from Rurik himself.

And since he was I2a-Din, it makes the theory about I2a-Din Rurik more probable:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258329-I2a1b-CTS10228-Rurikids

In terms of autosomal DNA, Gleb Svyatoslavovich (VK542) was ca. 71% Slavic and 25% South Euro (Table S6):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/07/17/703405/DC3/embed/media-3.xlsx?download=true

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Another Rurikid prince tested in this publication was Izyaslav Ingvarovich - his haplogroup was R1a-L1029.

In terms of autosomal DNA, Izyaslav Ingvarovich (buried in Lutsk) - sample VK541 - was over 95% Slavic.

So, theoretically speaking, Vladimir the Great was R1a-L1029 as he was the ancestral forefather of Izyaslav Ingvarvich.

[JQP4545]

VK542 is haplogroup I2a1a2b1a1a which is not I2a Din...

[MagnusDark]

VK542 is haplogroup I2a1a2b1a1a which is not I2a Din...

I think it’s label was changed if I’m not mistaken. Cluster fudge I know. Considering there’s already a I2a1a

[Harkonnen]

Sorry broski but this dude was obviously not a Rurikid :coffee:

[Cumansky]

DNA of prince Gleb Svyatoslavovich from the grave in Chernihiv cathedral was tested, he was I2a-Din not N1c:

Gleb Svyatoslavovich in this publication about Viking Age DNA is the sample VK542:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/703405v1

If I'm not mistaken, Gleb Svyatoslavovich was directly descended from Rurik himself.

And since he was I2a-Din, it makes the theory about I2a-Din Rurik more probable:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258329-I2a1b-CTS10228-Rurikids

In terms of autosomal DNA, Gleb Svyatoslavovich (VK542) was ca. 71% Slavic and 25% South Euro (Table S6):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/07/17/703405/DC3/embed/media-3.xlsx?download=true

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Another Rurikid prince tested in this publication was Izyaslav Ingvarovich - his haplogroup was R1a-L1029.

In terms of autosomal DNA, Izyaslav Ingvarovich (buried in Lutsk) - sample VK541 - was over 95% Slavic.

What 2 losers upvoted this post

[sailormoon]

VK542 is haplogroup I2a1a2b1a1a


I2a1b is known as as I2a-Din (for Dinaric), which is common among the Dinaric Slavs, while I2a1a was widely distributed from Iberia to Scandinavia during the Mesolithic period. I2a1a could possibly be one of the founding paternal lineages of the Rurikids along with I2a2. Varangian Prince Tur, who founded the dynasty of the Turov-Pinsk princes, may have carried this paternal haplogroup. Turovian Rus' was an important subdivision of Kievan Rus' since the 10th century.

[Ayetooey]

So what is he? I2a1a or i2a1b-din, because there's a big difference. :picard1:

Edit: The graph say's I2a1a and so does this journal; which is not din.

https://andvari5.livejournal.com/46518.html

[Dick]

So what is he? I2a1a or i2a1b-din, because there's a big difference. :picard1:

I don’t think some of these scientists know what the fuck they’re doing. They probably use some amateur site to upload markers or something. They should just give it to ftdna and let them figure it out

[Ayetooey]

I don’t think some of these scientists know what the fuck they’re doing. They probably use some amateur site to upload markers or something. They should just give it to ftdna and let them figure it out

They should just hire some of us, seriously.