Sephardic Jew 23andme BETA

[Sp_loa]

https://i.ibb.co/vwLTcLc/Screen-Shot-2019-07-20-at-11-10-55-PM.png

Known roots- Full Moroccan Jew. 3/4 from Tangiers (used to be Spanish Morocco) and 1/4 from Rabat.

Regional breakdown:

Spain:
1.Andalusia
2.Galicia
3.Castile-La Mancha
4.Catalonia
5.Valencian Community
6.Canary Islands
7.Basque country
8.Asturias
9.Castile and Leon
10.La Rioja

Italy:
1.Sicily
2.Calabria
3.Campania
4.Molise
5.Abruzzo
6.Lazio

Morocco-
1.Fez-Meknes
2.Rabat-Salé-Kenitra
3.Casablanca-Settat

Algeria-
1.Oran Province

Haplogroups-


Mtdna- H1i (Western European/Atlanto-Celtic)
YDNA- Q-YP1236 (ME/NA)

Seems to be somewhere inline of probably 40-45% levantine, 15% Berber and around 40% Southern European (Spanish and Italian)

What's surprising is the detailed regions he got for Spain. Very common in Tangires and they received many converso Jews from Spain up to the 17th and even 18th century.

[Sp_loa]

PRE BETA-

https://i.ibb.co/tDxN7bq/Screen-Shot-2019-07-20-at-10-32-37-PM.png

[Longbowman]

see? Mostly not Judaised Berber, only a small % NA.

[Sp_loa]

see? Mostly not Judaised Berber, only a small % NA.

My grandmother got 25.1% and I'm probably more judging by gedmatch...

It varies by the region. He is from the North.
Atlas Jews are more Berber.

[happycow]

Very cool. :) Haplogroup Q so Turkic ancestry?

[Longbowman]

Very cool. :) Haplogroup Q so Turkic ancestry?

nah, q1b was clearly present pre-diaspora, found in most jews at low rates

[happycow]

nah, q1b was clearly present pre-diaspora, found in most jews at low rates

Gotcha. :)

[Longbowman]

Gotcha. :)

Palestinians too.

[happycow]

Palestinians too.

Very interesting. I'm not sure why I assumed it was Turkic. xD I have a couple Ashkenazi matches in 23andme with haplogroup Q as well.

[Longbowman]

Very interesting. I'm not sure why I assumed it was Turkic. xD I have a couple Ashkenazi matches in 23andme with haplogroup Q as well.

It's found throughout Europe (not literally everywhere, but at least one department of France has it approaching double digit integer percentages) as well, nowhere near where any Turks or Mongols ever were (not that Mongols carry Q1b at high levels).

[Scouseman]

It's found throughout Europe (not literally everywhere, but at least one department of France has it approaching double digit integer percentages) as well, nowhere near where any Turks or Mongols ever were (not that Mongols carry Q1b at high levels).

In France Q is most common in the Rhône-Alpes region. There it occurs at about 5%, similar to Ashkenazi Jews.

[talombo]

It's weird he got a location in Iraq.

[Pine]

It's weird he got a location in Iraq.

This is because 23andMe can trace what you did last summer and 3000 summers ago.

In reality:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?517-23andMe-Ancestry-Composition-Results&p=583633&viewfull=1#post583633

=>The detailed region matches don't necessarily mean that you have derive ancestry from the native population there.

[talombo]

This is because 23andMe can trace what you did last summer and 3000 summers ago.

In reality:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?517-23andMe-Ancestry-Composition-Results&p=583633&viewfull=1#post583633

=>The detailed region matches don't necessarily mean that you have derive ancestry from the native population there.

But still, I've seen other north african jews results, they all get some "Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian" but I didn't see anyone who got a location.
I think It's possible that during the middle ages some Iraqi jews traveled to spain to learn from the Sephardic rabbis and stayed there.
It's supposed to be a "recent ancestor locator" so it's probably not from Abraham and Sarah.

[Pine]

But still, I've seen other north african jews results, they all get some "Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian" but I didn't see anyone who got a location.
I think It's possible that during the middle ages some Iraqi jews traveled to spain to learn from the Sephardic rabbis and stayed there.
It's supposed to be a "recent ancestor locator" so it's probably not from Abraham and Sarah.

I agree that it's possible. I'm giving a general word of caution, particularly for places like Sicily and Iberia, where you may simply match Jewish segments. It's a leap to think that 23andMe picked up on a region in Iraq where he descends from the native population. It's perfectly believable that he descends from Iraqi Jews, which was detected from Iraqi Jews in 23andMe's database submitting their ancestors' locations.

[Carlito's Way]

I wish I had Jewish ancestry, I was hoping and praying that 23andMe would assign me some but nope but maybe it just got diluted
I can't declare myself a holy man and a God's chosen but I am still a proud Christian and a lover of the Jewish kingdom, we shall restore it so Jews live there peaceful without any Muslims

[Sp_loa]

But still, I've seen other north african jews results, they all get some "Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian" but I didn't see anyone who got a location.
I think It's possible that during the middle ages some Iraqi jews traveled to spain to learn from the Sephardic rabbis and stayed there.
It's supposed to be a "recent ancestor locator" so it's probably not from Abraham and Sarah.

If he got a region that means he has 5 relatives with all 4 grandparents being born at the same region.
For example for Spain it means he has at least 50 relatives with 4 grandparents (5 for each region) and in real life probably more (mixed spaniards, more people in one region and ect). This is quite rare, even Spaniard don’t get many regions and I think conversos may have reached Morocco from all regions of Iberia.

When it comes to Nineveh, Iraq I can think of 3 options-
1. As you said Jews from the Middle East did migrate to Spain during the golden age- from Iraq, Egypt and other places. He might be descendant of one of them.

2. I know that after the Spanish expulsion some Jews settled in Iraq (very few though) and their ancestors came from Turkey.

3. The big cities of Morocco- tangier, Casablanca, Fez, Rabat and ect attracted many Jews from around the world. Inner migrations in north Africa were common (especially Tunisian Jews moving to Morocco) but outer migrations too (that’s how I have Greek-Jewish ancestry). Maybe some educated Iraqi Jew managed to migrate to Morocco for work/education or something.
I know one Iraqi Jew and his real original surname is “bueno”. No hard to figure out where is this from.

He is indeed the first Moroccan Jew that has region for Iraq from what I encounu, still I spoke to him and he said he has no known other ancestry.

[Pine]

If he got a region that means he has 5 relatives with all 4 grandparents being born at the same region.
For example for Spain it means he has at least 50 relatives with 4 grandparents (5 for each region) and in real life probably more (mixed spaniards, more people in one region and ect). This is quite rare, even Spaniard don’t get many regions and I think conversos may have reached Morocco from all regions of Iberia.

One, while it seems reasonable that they'd use only those with all 4 grandparents from a given region, I haven't read it from them. Two, why do you think this seemingly rare event happened? Why aren't Spaniards getting more regions, but someone with presumably Spanish admixture is? It's probably because when it comes to Spaniards, most segments they share with people from a given a region, be it 5 with 4 grandparents, are also shared with such 5 from another region. However, if he's not matching Spanish segments, but ex-Jewish segments, then it's more likely that this will happen, as those won't be as widely dispersed.