Cumansky K12

[Cumansky]

This calculator work best if you have ancestry extending from Eastern Mediterranean to Baltic Sea. If you want free run post Global 25 scaled coordinates.

South Polish

Balto Finnic 45%
South Slavic 15.83%
Wallachian 10%
East Slavic 9.17%
West Slavic 9%
Germanic 6.67%
Northeast Balkan 1.83%
Southeast Balkan 1.67%
Greek Islander 0.83%
Southwest Balkan 0%
North Finnic 0%
Turkish 0%

@ 1.0691

Hungarian NS15207

Germanic 27.5%
South Slavic 26.67%
East Slavic 10.83%
Southeast Balkan 10%
Wallachian 8.33%
Balto Finnic 5%
Northeast Balkan 4.17%
North Finnic 3.33%
West Slavic 3.33%
Turkish 0.83%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Greek Islander 0%

@ 1.5367

[Cumansky]

More examples:

Bosnian 10

Wallachian 37.5%
West Slavic 29.17%
South Slavic 16.67%
Germanic 6.67%
Balto Finnic 4.17%
Northeast Balkan 2.5%
East Slavic 1.67%
Southeast Balkan 0.83%
Greek Islander 0.83%
Turkish 0%
North Finnic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%

@ 1.0701

Macedonian 2

Greek Islander 39.17%
South Slavic 35.83%
Wallachian 9.17%
Southeast Balkan 6.67%
Northeast Balkan 5%
Southwest Balkan 2.5%
Germanic 1.67%
Balto Finnic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Turkish 0%
East Slavic 0%
West Slavic 0%

@ 1.3631

[Impaler]

Thanks!

Impaler_scaled,0.108132,0.113739,0.006411,0.008075 ,0.010156,0.00753,0,0.007846,0.003272,0.009294,-0.005359,0.003447,0.001338,0.002615,-0.00665,0.001989,0.006258,0.003674,0.003645,-0.002876,-0.005116,-0.002349,0.003328,0.007591,0.002036

[Cumansky]

Thanks!

Impaler_scaled,0.108132,0.113739,0.006411,0.008075 ,0.010156,0.00753,0,0.007846,0.003272,0.009294,-0.005359,0.003447,0.001338,0.002615,-0.00665,0.001989,0.006258,0.003674,0.003645,-0.002876,-0.005116,-0.002349,0.003328,0.007591,0.002036

Impaler_scaled

Wallachian 41.67%
Greek Islander 19.17%
Turkish 13.33%
Southeast Balkan 11.67%
North Finnic 6.67%
Southwest Balkan 3.33%
East Slavic 2.5%
Germanic 1.67%
South Slavic 0%
West Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
Northeast Balkan 0%

@ 2.9608

[Impaler]

Impaler_scaled

Wallachian 41.67%
Greek Islander 19.17%
Turkish 13.33%
Southeast Balkan 11.67%
North Finnic 6.67%
Southwest Balkan 3.33%
East Slavic 2.5%
Germanic 1.67%
South Slavic 0%
West Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
Northeast Balkan 0%

@ 2.9608

Interesting! :)

[Impaler]

What is North_Finnic? Seems high for a Romanian.

[Cumansky]

What is North_Finnic? Seems high for a Romanian.

North Russian reference, I ran some Bulgarian kits that were getting even higher North Finnic than you.

[Impaler]

North Russian reference, I ran some Bulgarian kits that were getting even higher North Finnic than you.

I score high Finnish almost everwhere, and some Finnish, Estonian mixed populations. Turkish is also high, 13%.

[Impaler]

Do you have any Romanian average example?

[Cumansky]

Do you have any Romanian average example?

Turkish is Turkish Trabzon, I try to use Turkey region far away from Balkan because there is many Balkan samples. One minute I will post Romanian example.

[Cumansky]

Correction

North Finnic is Finnish reference.

East Slavic is North Russian reference.

[Impaler]

Correction

North Finnic is Finnish reference.

East Slavic is North Russian reference.

But why is always high Finnish for me? How would you interpratate? A proxy for something? Maybe Tatar, Volga Bulgars, that's my first impression. Could be Szekely too.

[Coastal Elite]

Can you do mine just for the hell of it? Thank you!

DacoCeltic_scaled,0.133173,0.13405,0.043369,0.0226 1,0.028313,0.01004,0.00235,0.004384,0.002863,0.006 014,-0.00747,0.008243,-0.014123,-0.004542,0.004072,-0.000796,0.001043,-0.00076,0.006913,-0.002876,-0.001123,0.004699,0.005423,0.00976,-0.005628

[Luke35]

Bravo Cumansky, cool calculator. I guess it's time I get my G25 coordinates, seems everyone has them now..

[Cumansky]

But why is always high Finnish for me? How would you interpratate? A proxy for something? Maybe Tatar, Volga Bulgars, that's my first impression. Could be Szekely too.

I think something to do with the horseman that got assimilated down in Balkan, let me run Daco Celtic see what he get.

3/4 Romanian 1/4 Ukrainian Chernivitsi

Southeast Balkan 27.5%
Wallachian 21.67%
East Slavic 18.33%
South Slavic 9.17%
North Finnic 7.5%
Germanic 6.67%
Northeast Balkan 5.83%
Greek Islander 1.67%
Southwest Balkan 0.83%
Turkish 0.83%
Balto Finnic 0%
West Slavic 0%

@ 1.6367

[Cumansky]

Can you do mine just for the hell of it? Thank you!

DacoCeltic_scaled,0.133173,0.13405,0.043369,0.0226 1,0.028313,0.01004,0.00235,0.004384,0.002863,0.006 014,-0.00747,0.008243,-0.014123,-0.004542,0.004072,-0.000796,0.001043,-0.00076,0.006913,-0.002876,-0.001123,0.004699,0.005423,0.00976,-0.005628

I guess cause you are mixed calculator trippin, but Germans were used for Germanic reference and they are next closest population to East Europeans so I guess make sense. Is that how you get result sometimes? Fit is still good.

DacoCeltic_scaled

Germanic 74.5%
Wallachian 11.67%
Southeast Balkan 8%
Greek Islander 2.5%
Turkish 1.67%
South Slavic 0.83%
Southwest Balkan 0.83%
Balto Finnic 0%
North Finnic 0%
West Slavic 0%
East Slavic 0%
Northeast Balkan 0%

@ 1.1463

[Bunalim]

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Dad_scaled,0.108132,0.14319,-0.04978,-0.062016,-0.031083,-0.013387,0.00893,-0.010153,-0.046427,-0.007472,0.008769,0.006444,-0.018137,0.004954,-0.0095,-0.005834,0.012647,-0.001647,-0.005908,0.002376,0.000749,0.005812,0.002342,-0.004579,-0.00455


Please

[Coastal Elite]

I guess cause you are mixed calculator trippin, but Germans were used for Germanic reference and they are next closest population to East Europeans so I guess make sense. Is that how you get result sometimes? Fit is still good.

DacoCeltic_scaled

Germanic 74.5%
Wallachian 11.67%
Southeast Balkan 8%
Greek Islander 2.5%
Turkish 1.67%
South Slavic 0.83%
Southwest Balkan 0.83%
Balto Finnic 0%
North Finnic 0%
West Slavic 0%
East Slavic 0%
Northeast Balkan 0%

@ 1.1463

Thanks man. Yes, I get similar results on other calculators. I think it has something to do with my Irish half and distant Bell Beaker. I often get French or South and West German as midpoints. Here is an example:

https://i.imgur.com/Owvqkx1.jpg

[Luke35]

[QUOTE=Daco Celtic;6146254]Thanks man. Yes, I get similar results on other calculators. I think it has something to do with my Irish half and distant Bell Beaker. I often get French or South and West German as midpoints. Here is an example:

I think you are just getting mid-pointed as all hell, we both do on many of these calcs.. you and I really benefit from 2-way splits.

[Coastal Elite]

I think you are just getting mid-pointed all to hell, we both do on many of these calcs.. you and I really benefit from 2-way splits.

Yes, I absolutely agree, it's the classic midpoint scenario. I think it's partly a matter of having just of enough Indo-European admixture to be dragged into Germany or Central Europe. This probably comes from the Irish half. I find these midpoints very interesting even if they don't reflect what we really are because I like to see groups that are genetically close to me.

[Luke35]

Yes, I absolutely agree, it's the classic midpoint scenario. I think it's partly a matter of having just of enough Indo-European admixture (or maybe later Bell Beaker) to be dragged into Germany or Central Europe. This probably comes from the Irish half. I find these midpoints very interesting even if they don't reflect what we really are. I like to see groups that are genetically close to me.

Yes, that makes sense. It's even more so for me because Germans and Hungarians are not as distant from each other as Irish and Romanian. But I like the positive attitude man, I have to take a page outta your book, pay a little more respect to those genetically close groups :)

[Cumansky]

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Dad_scaled,0.108132,0.14319,-0.04978,-0.062016,-0.031083,-0.013387,0.00893,-0.010153,-0.046427,-0.007472,0.008769,0.006444,-0.018137,0.004954,-0.0095,-0.005834,0.012647,-0.001647,-0.005908,0.002376,0.000749,0.005812,0.002342,-0.004579,-0.00455


Please

Dad_scaled

Turkish 100%
Greek Islander 0%
Wallachian 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%
Germanic 0%
South Slavic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
North Finnic 0%
West Slavic 0%
East Slavic 0%
Northeast Balkan 0%

@ 2.0397

[Cumansky]

References

Southwest Balkan - Albanian 6 samples
Southeast Balkan - Bulgarian 5 samples
North Finnic - Finnish 15 samples
Balto Finnic - Latvian 5 samples
East Slavic - Russian Kostroma 6 samples
Wallachian - Romanian 10 samples
South Slavic - Serbian 5 samples
Germanic - German 79 samples
Turkish - Turkish Trabzon 5 samples
Greek Islander - Greek 18 samples
Northeast Balkan - Moldavian 10 samples
West Slavic - Slovenian 5 samples

[Dick]

"fit": 1.3003
Northeast Balkan: 31.67
Balto Finnic: 23.33
Greek Islander: 14.17
Southwest Balkan: 12.5
Germanic: 11.67
Southeast Balkan: 6.67
North Finnic: 0
Wallachian: 0
East Slavic: 0
South Slavic: 0
West Slavic: 0
Turkish:0

[Cumansky]

"fit": 1.3003
Northeast Balkan: 31.67
Balto Finnic: 23.33
Greek Islander: 14.17
Southwest Balkan: 12.5
Germanic: 11.67
Southeast Balkan: 6.67
North Finnic: 0
Wallachian: 0
East Slavic: 0
South Slavic: 0
West Slavic: 0

You forgot Turkish, I guess you match most with Moldavian samples, is that what you usually get?

[Dick]

You forgot Turkish, I guess you match most with Moldavian samples, is that what you usually get?

Or Scythian samples

[Cumansky]

Or Scythian samples

Moldavian is archaic group Balkan, Slavic, Central Euro everything combined.

[Kaspias]

Thanks


Kaspias_scaled,0.103579,0.08632,0.013199,-0.010982,-0.002462,-0.009761,0.00094,0.005077,-0.006136,0.000911,0.000162,-0.000749,0.002379,-0.005505,-0.012486,0.013524,0.015255,0.00152,0.007668,0.0043 77,-0.004866,-0.000247,0,0.010001,-0.002155

[Ljubic]

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Ljubic_scaled,0.126344,0.142174,0.04978,0.020349,0 .030159,0.005857,0.005405,0.005538,0.000614,-0.00492,-0.002111,-0.005545,0.007284,0.01445,-0.019001,0,0.004694,0.000253,0.00817,-0.001751,-0.009234,0.000495,0.002711,0.006386,0.001796

Thanks in advance

[Cumansky]

Thanks


Kaspias_scaled,0.103579,0.08632,0.013199,-0.010982,-0.002462,-0.009761,0.00094,0.005077,-0.006136,0.000911,0.000162,-0.000749,0.002379,-0.005505,-0.012486,0.013524,0.015255,0.00152,0.007668,0.0043 77,-0.004866,-0.000247,0,0.010001,-0.002155

Kaspias_scaled

Turkish 44%
East Slavic 20.83%
North Finnic 16%
Southwest Balkan 7.5%
Greek Islander 5.83%
Northeast Balkan 5.83%
West Slavic 0%
South Slavic 0%
Germanic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%
Wallachian 0%

@ 4.1968

[Cumansky]

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Ljubic_scaled,0.126344,0.142174,0.04978,0.020349,0 .030159,0.005857,0.005405,0.005538,0.000614,-0.00492,-0.002111,-0.005545,0.007284,0.01445,-0.019001,0,0.004694,0.000253,0.00817,-0.001751,-0.009234,0.000495,0.002711,0.006386,0.001796

Thanks in advance

Ljubic_scaled

West Slavic 40.83%
South Slavic 12.5%
Wallachian 11.67%
Germanic 10.83%
Greek Islander 10%
Southwest Balkan 5%
Balto Finnic 5%
Northeast Balkan 4.17%
East Slavic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Turkish 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%

@ 1.2048

[Kaspias]

Kaspias_scaled

Turkish 44%
East Slavic 20.83%
North Finnic 16%
Southwest Balkan 7.5%
Greek Islander 5.83%
Northeast Balkan 5.83%
West Slavic 0%
South Slavic 0%
Germanic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%
Wallachian 0%

@ 4.1968

Using only Southeast Balkan probably would give closer fit, lol

[Cumansky]

Using only Southeast Balkan probably would give closer fit, lol

89559

[Thracian]

Thanks in advance

Thracian_scaled,0.112685,0.114755,0.00264,-0.006137,0.00677,0,0.004465,0,-0.001841,0.002734,0.001299,-0.001948,-0.00223,0.002477,-0.006515,0.009016,0.013038,0.00228,0.006034,0.0057 53,-0.004492,0.00507,-0.000739,0.002048,-0.001317

[Cumansky]

Thanks in advance

Thracian_scaled,0.112685,0.114755,0.00264,-0.006137,0.00677,0,0.004465,0,-0.001841,0.002734,0.001299,-0.001948,-0.00223,0.002477,-0.006515,0.009016,0.013038,0.00228,0.006034,0.0057 53,-0.004492,0.00507,-0.000739,0.002048,-0.001317

Thracian_scaled

Turkish 24%
Northeast Balkan 22.67%
Greek Islander 20.83%
Wallachian 10%
East Slavic 8.33%
Germanic 5.83%
Southeast Balkan 5%
North Finnic 3.33%
Southwest Balkan 0%
South Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
West Slavic 0%

@ 2.2996

[Lucas]

Lukasz_scaled,0.12862,0.138112,0.069767,0.061693,0 .042469,0.027889,0.0094,0.006692,-0.001432,-0.022962,-0.00406,-0.01154,0.024678,0.030965,-0.015336,-0.011403,-0.010952,0.000253,0.003017,0.002001,-0.005241,-0.006183,0.000739,-0.007832,0.004191

[ph2ter]

ph2ter,0.134311,0.127957,0.060339,0.044574,0.03446 8,0.018128,0.004935,0.004384,0.001636,-0.008747,-0.003735,-0.001948,0.006244,0.015551,-0.0057,-0.008353,-0.006128,-0.00152,0.007668,0.002751,-0.002121,0,0.002095,-0.00012,-0.000958

[Cumansky]

Lukasz_scaled,0.12862,0.138112,0.069767,0.061693,0 .042469,0.027889,0.0094,0.006692,-0.001432,-0.022962,-0.00406,-0.01154,0.024678,0.030965,-0.015336,-0.011403,-0.010952,0.000253,0.003017,0.002001,-0.005241,-0.006183,0.000739,-0.007832,0.004191

Lukasz_scaled

Balto Finnic 51.83%
West Slavic 37.33%
South Slavic 8.33%
Northeast Balkan 1.67%
Southeast Balkan 0.83%
Germanic 0%
Turkish 0%
East Slavic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Wallachian 0%
Greek Islander 0%

@ 1.8879

[Cumansky]

ph2ter,0.134311,0.127957,0.060339,0.044574,0.03446 8,0.018128,0.004935,0.004384,0.001636,-0.008747,-0.003735,-0.001948,0.006244,0.015551,-0.0057,-0.008353,-0.006128,-0.00152,0.007668,0.002751,-0.002121,0,0.002095,-0.00012,-0.000958

ph2ter

West Slavic 29.67%
Germanic 26.17%
South Slavic 14.17%
Balto Finnic 9.17%
Wallachian 7.5%
North Finnic 5.83%
East Slavic 3.33%
Northeast Balkan 2.5%
Greek Islander 0.83%
Southeast Balkan 0.83%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Turkish 0%

@ 0.6284

[ph2ter]

ph2ter

West Slavic 29.67%
Germanic 26.17%
South Slavic 14.17%
Balto Finnic 9.17%
Wallachian 7.5%
North Finnic 5.83%
East Slavic 3.33%
Northeast Balkan 2.5%
Greek Islander 0.83%
Southeast Balkan 0.83%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Turkish 0%

@ 0.6284

Looking at my fit, you designed it especially for me. :) Cool!

[Cumansky]

Looking at my fit, you designed it especially for me. :) Cool!

No I didn't design for one person, but you get good fit as all people from Slavic countries.

[Lucas]

Lukasz_scaled

Balto Finnic 51.83%
West Slavic 37.33%
South Slavic 8.33%
Northeast Balkan 1.67%
Southeast Balkan 0.83%
Germanic 0%
Turkish 0%
East Slavic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Wallachian 0%
Greek Islander 0%

@ 1.8879

Looks correct.

[Ljubic]

Ljubic_scaled

West Slavic 40.83%
South Slavic 12.5%
Wallachian 11.67%
Germanic 10.83%
Greek Islander 10%
Southwest Balkan 5%
Balto Finnic 5%
Northeast Balkan 4.17%
East Slavic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Turkish 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%

@ 1.2048

Thanks, thats a really good fit man.

[karakartal]

Hello.

Could you please run for us? Thanks.

Papa;
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Burak_scaled,0.118376,0.110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Burak,0.0104,0.0109,0.0023,-0.0034,0.0018,0,0.001,0.0019,-0.0007,-0.0001,0.0014,-0.0025,0.0012,0.0044,-0.0135,0.0066,0.0158,-0.0075,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0077,0.0034,0.0012,0.001,0.0002

Me;
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TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

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TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

[Lucas]

What are references for every region?

[Cumansky]

Hello.

Could you please run for us? Thanks.

Papa;
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Burak_scaled,0.118376,0.110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Burak,0.0104,0.0109,0.0023,-0.0034,0.0018,0,0.001,0.0019,-0.0007,-0.0001,0.0014,-0.0025,0.0012,0.0044,-0.0135,0.0066,0.0158,-0.0075,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0077,0.0034,0.0012,0.001,0.0002

Me;
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

Burak_scaled

Greek Islander 31.67%
Northeast Balkan 24%
Turkish 21.67%
East Slavic 16.83%
Southeast Balkan 5%
North Finnic 0.83%
Wallachian 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
West Slavic 0%
South Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
Germanic 0%

@ 2.5321

TG_scaled

Turkish 34.17%
Northeast Balkan 19.17%
Greek Islander 17.5%
Wallachian 9.17%
East Slavic 9.17%
Southeast Balkan 8.33%
North Finnic 1.67%
South Slavic 0.83%
Germanic 0%
West Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%

@ 2.7431

[Cumansky]

What are references for every region?

References

Southwest Balkan - Albanian 6 samples
Southeast Balkan - Bulgarian 5 samples
North Finnic - Finnish 15 samples
Balto Finnic - Latvian 5 samples
East Slavic - Russian Kostroma 6 samples
Wallachian - Romanian 10 samples
South Slavic - Serbian 5 samples
Germanic - German 79 samples
Turkish - Turkish Trabzon 5 samples
Greek Islander - Greek 18 samples
Northeast Balkan - Moldavian 10 samples
West Slavic - Slovenian 5 samples

[Vojnik]

Can someone do mine please?

Vojnik_scaled,0.121791,0.145221,0.02753,-0.003876,0.022158,0.003904,-0.001645,0.001154,-0.000205,0.006925,0.002923,0.001948,0.001784,0.006 468,-0.010179,0.002917,0.00691,0.00152,0.011564,-0.004877,-0.00861,0.000371,0.008258,-0.001325,-0.006826

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Vojnik,0.0107,0.0143,0.0073,-0.0012,0.0072,0.0014,-0.0007,0.0005,-0.0001,0.0038,0.0018,0.0013,0.0012,0.0047,-0.0075,0.0022,0.0053,0.0012,0.0092,-0.0039,-0.0069,0.0003,0.0067,-0.0011,-0.0057

[Cumansky]

Can someone do mine please?

Vojnik_scaled,0.121791,0.145221,0.02753,-0.003876,0.022158,0.003904,-0.001645,0.001154,-0.000205,0.006925,0.002923,0.001948,0.001784,0.006 468,-0.010179,0.002917,0.00691,0.00152,0.011564,-0.004877,-0.00861,0.000371,0.008258,-0.001325,-0.006826

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Vojnik,0.0107,0.0143,0.0073,-0.0012,0.0072,0.0014,-0.0007,0.0005,-0.0001,0.0038,0.0018,0.0013,0.0012,0.0047,-0.0075,0.0022,0.0053,0.0012,0.0092,-0.0039,-0.0069,0.0003,0.0067,-0.0011,-0.0057

Vojnik_scaled

Greek Islander 48.17%
Northeast Balkan 26%
South Slavic 12.5%
Germanic 9.67%
West Slavic 3.67%
East Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%
Turkish 0%
Wallachian 0%

@ 1.1665

[Vojnik]

Vojnik_scaled

Greek Islander 48.17%
Northeast Balkan 26%
South Slavic 12.5%
Germanic 9.67%
West Slavic 3.67%
East Slavic 0%
Balto Finnic 0%
North Finnic 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
Southeast Balkan 0%
Turkish 0%
Wallachian 0%

@ 1.1665


So 'greek islander' are literally people from the Greek islands or as the table you indicated, only greeks in general?


Southwest Balkan - Albanian 6 samples
Southeast Balkan - Bulgarian 5 samples
North Finnic - Finnish 15 samples
Balto Finnic - Latvian 5 samples
East Slavic - Russian Kostroma 6 samples
Wallachian - Romanian 10 samples
South Slavic - Serbian 5 samples
Germanic - German 79 samples
Turkish - Turkish Trabzon 5 samples
Greek Islander - Greek 18 samples
Northeast Balkan - Moldavian 10 samples
West Slavic - Slovenian 5 samples

[Cumansky]

So 'greek islander' are literally people from the Greek islands or as the table you indicated, only greeks in general?

There is 18 Greek samples, they are not from any specific island for example Crete. The 18 samples are dispersed from all over Greece including islands and mainland too.

[Lucas]

References

Southwest Balkan - Albanian 6 samples
Southeast Balkan - Bulgarian 5 samples
North Finnic - Finnish 15 samples
Balto Finnic - Latvian 5 samples
East Slavic - Russian Kostroma 6 samples
Wallachian - Romanian 10 samples
South Slavic - Serbian 5 samples
Germanic - German 79 samples
Turkish - Turkish Trabzon 5 samples
Greek Islander - Greek 18 samples
Northeast Balkan - Moldavian 10 samples
West Slavic - Slovenian 5 samples

I think Kostroma is already Finnic admixed. Better would be Smolensk or Belgorod, Kursk, Briansk area.

Interesting if you would swap Slovenian by Slovak samples.

[Cumansky]

I think Kostroma is already Finnic admixed. Better would be Smolensk or Belgorod, Kursk, Briansk area.

Interesting if you would swap Slovenian by Slovak samples.

Kostroma is good because it has Russian substrate of Finnic admixture, opposed to Baltic or Nordic substrate, plus it can pickup Uralic admixture.

Using those other samples not good idea for this calc, because they can have "Ukrainian like southern admixture" that will defeat purpose of this calc. Same thing for Slovak or even Czech. I try to use historically isolate components that are genetically differentiated from their neighbours.

Later I probably make another calculator that is centered around Steppe components.

[Ljubic]

Of which reference populations does the West slavic reference consist?

[Cumansky]

Of which reference populations does the West slavic reference consist?

5 Slovenian samples, they are genetically the most "western" Slavs in terms of genetics and ofcourse geography.

[Dick]

5 Slovenian samples, they are genetically the most "western" Slavs in terms of genetics and ofcourse geography.

What is more accurate pen 0 or 01. With 01 I get south slav which makes more sense than with pen 0

[Cumansky]

What is more accurate pen 0 or 01. With 01 I get south slav which makes more sense than with pen 0

I don't know, I just use default.

Maybe default chop up your components, but that is the ideal result I am looking for with this calc.

[17571imre]

can you do mine ? :)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH,0.0111,0.0133,0.0121,0.0078,0.0112,0.0029,0.002 4,0.0041,0.0038,0.0023,-0.0013,0.0012,0.0004,0.0041,-0.0053,0.0041,0.0005,-0.0007,0.0031,-0.006,-0.0026,-0.004,0.0033,0.0003,0.0002

[Cumansky]

can you do mine ? :)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH,0.0111,0.0133,0.0121,0.0078,0.0112,0.0029,0.002 4,0.0041,0.0038,0.0023,-0.0013,0.0012,0.0004,0.0041,-0.0053,0.0041,0.0005,-0.0007,0.0031,-0.006,-0.0026,-0.004,0.0033,0.0003,0.0002

Check your scaled coordinates that they are right order, I try couple times and gives me error message.

[17571imre]

Check your scaled coordinates that they are right order, I try couple times and gives me error message.

ehhh i looked at my coordinates and i think that they are in the right order because they look the same to me, where do i need to look at? because i am a bit of a amateur with this.

[Lemgrant]

Check your scaled coordinates that they are right order, I try couple times and gives me error message.

there is an empty space in PC5 (0.03 4468). Remove it when you copy paste the coords

[17571imre]

Check your scaled coordinates that they are right order, I try couple times and gives me error message.

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH,0.0111,0.0133,0.0121,0.0078,0.0112,0.0029,0.002 4,0.0041,0.0038,0.0023,-0.0013,0.0012,0.0004,0.0041,-0.0053,0.0041,0.0005,-0.0007,0.0031,-0.006,-0.0026,-0.004,0.0033,0.0003,0.0002

now its good i think.

[17571imre]

if i remove the space it still stays the same when i send it.

[Lemgrant]

if i remove the space it still stays the same when i send it.

you need to post it as a code like this:

MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

[17571imre]

you need to post it as a code like this:

MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

can you explain to me how i can do that, because then i can use that next time.

[Cumansky]

It works hold on posting now, you got a good fit too.

What part of Hungary your ancestors?

[Cumansky]

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MH,0.0111,0.0133,0.0121,0.0078,0.0112,0.0029,0.002 4,0.0041,0.0038,0.0023,-0.0013,0.0012,0.0004,0.0041,-0.0053,0.0041,0.0005,-0.0007,0.0031,-0.006,-0.0026,-0.004,0.0033,0.0003,0.0002

now its good i think.

MH_scaled

West Slavic 30.83%
Wallachian 26.67%
Germanic 26.67%
South Slavic 9.17%
Southeast Balkan 3.33%
Southwest Balkan 1.67%
Balto Finnic 1.67%
Northeast Balkan 0%
North Finnic 0%
East Slavic 0%
Greek Islander 0%
Turkish 0%

@ 0.7733

[Cumansky]

you need to post it as a code like this:

MH_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.045632,0.025194,0.03 4468,0.008088,0.00564,0.009461,0.007772,0.004191,-0.002111,0.001798,0.000595,0.005643,-0.007193,0.005436,0.000652,-0.000887,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.003244,-0.004946,0.004067,0.000361,0.000239

Do you want run or no?

[17571imre]

It works hold on posting now, you got a good fit too.

What part of Hungary your ancestors?

ahh nice, well they are mostly from Transylvania. my grandfather is from cluj napoca and my grandmother is from eastern Hungary near the border of Romania.
and from my fathers side my ancestors came from Harghita also in Transylvania.

[Cumansky]

ahh nice, well they are mostly from Transylvania. my grandfather is from cluj napoca and my grandmother is from eastern Hungary near the border of Romania.
and from my fathers side my ancestors came from Harghita also in Transylvania.

I see, interesting.

[Lemgrant]

Do you want run or no?

you have my coords. Sure, why not

[Lemgrant]

can you explain to me how i can do that, because then i can use that next time.

https://i.imgur.com/yCUMTZa.png

[Cumansky]

you have my coords. Sure, why not

Post scaled

[Lemgrant]

Post scaled


Lemgrant_scaled,0.137726,0.11577,0.068636,0.061047 ,0.036622,0.022869,0.00893,0.008538,0.001227,-0.022597,-0.006333,-0.01169,0.01665,0.01679,-0.008958,0.010077,0.02047,0,-0.010182,0.005378,-0.003619,-0.005317,0.007148,-0.001084,-0.00012

[Impaler]

Does North Finnic has to do with Turkic people? I've seen Kaspias and Thracian scored too. Interesting that Hungarians do not score it.

[Lemgrant]

Does North Finnic has to do with Turkic people? I've seen Kaspias and Thracian scored too. Interesting that Hungarians do not score it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6151024/

https://i.imgur.com/NSZ3NIK.png

[Cumansky]

Lemgrant_scaled,0.137726,0.11577,0.068636,0.061047 ,0.036622,0.022869,0.00893,0.008538,0.001227,-0.022597,-0.006333,-0.01169,0.01665,0.01679,-0.008958,0.010077,0.02047,0,-0.010182,0.005378,-0.003619,-0.005317,0.007148,-0.001084,-0.00012

Lemgrant_scaled

Balto Finnic 45.33%
East Slavic 18.17%
Germanic 10.33%
West Slavic 9.17%
Wallachian 7.33%
South Slavic 5.5%
Southeast Balkan 2.5%
Northeast Balkan 1.67%
Turkish 0%
Southwest Balkan 0%
North Finnic 0%
Greek Islander 0%

@ 1.4184

[Cumansky]

I post spreadsheet later with all the scores when I get some time.

[Cumansky]

North Finnic (Finnish)

Kaspias 16%
NE Romanian 7.5%
Impaler 6.67%
Ph2ter 5.83%
HungarianNS15207 3.33%
Thracian 3.33%
TG 1.67%
Burak 0.83%

[Cumansky]

Germanic (German)

DacoCeltic 74.5%
HungarianNS15207 27.5%
Ph2ter 26.17%
Ljubic 10.83%
Lemgrant 10.33%
Vojnik 9.67%
Bosnian10 6.67%
NE Romanian 6.67%
Cumansky 6.67%
Thracian 5.83%
Impaler 1.67%
Macedonian2 1.67%

[Cumansky]

East Slavic (North Russian)

Kaspias 20.83%
Lemgrant 18.33%
NE Romanian 18.33%
Burak 16.83%
HungarianNS15207 10.83%
Cumansky 9.17%
Thracian 8.33%
Ph2ter 3.33%
Impaler 2.5%
Bosnian10 1.67%

[Cumansky]

Balto Finnic (Latvian)

Lukasz 51.83%
Lemgrant 45.33%
Cumansky 45%
Dick 23.33%
Ph2ter 9.17%
HungarianNS15207 5%
Ljubic 5%
Bosnian10 4.17%
MH 1.67%

[Cumansky]

West Slavic (Slovenian)

Ljubic 40.83%
Lukasz 37.33%
MH 30.83%
Ph2ter 29.67%
Bosnian10 29.17%
Lemgrant 9.17%
Cumansky 9%
Vojnik 3.67%
HungarianNS15207 3.33%

[Cumansky]

Northeast Balkan (Moldavian)

Dick 31.67%
Vojnik 26%
Burak 24%
Thracian 22.67%
TG 19.17%
Kaspias 5.83%
NE Romanian 5.83%
Macedonian2 5%
Ljubic 4.17%
Hungarian 4.17%
Bosnian10 2.5%
Ph2ter 2.5%
Cumansky 1.83%
Lukasz 1.67%
Lemgrant 1.67%

[Cumansky]

Wallachian (Romanian)

Impaler 41.67%
Bosnian10 37.5%
MH 26.67%
NE Romanian 21.67%
DacoCeltic 11.67%
Ljubic 11.67%
Cumansky 10%
Thracian 10%
TG 9.17%
Macedonian2 9.17%
HungarianNS15207 8.33%
Ph2ter 7.5%
Lemgrant 7.33%

[Cumansky]

South Slavic (Serbian)

Macedonian2 35.83%
HungarianNS15207 26.67%
Bosnian10 16.67%
Cumansky 15.83%
Ph2ter 14.17%
Vojnik 12.5%
Ljubic 12.5%
MH 9.17%
NE Romanian 9.17%
Lukasz 8.33%
Lemgrant 5.5%
DacoCeltic 0.83%
TG 0.83%

[Cumansky]

Southeast Balkan (Bulgarian)

NE Romanian 27.5%
Impaler 11.67%
HungarianNS15207 10%
TG 8.33%
DacoCeltic 8%
Dick 6.67%
Macedonian2 6.67%
Thracian 5%
Burak 5%
MH 3.33%
Lemgrant 2.5%
Cumansky 1.67%
Bosnian10 0.83%
Lukasz 0.83%
Ph2ter 0.83%

[Cumansky]

Southwest Balkan (Albanian)

Dick 12.5%
Kaspias 7.5%
Ljubic 5%
Impaler 3.33%
Macedonian2 2.5%
MH 1.67%
NE Romanian 0.83%

[Cumansky]

Greek Islander (Greek)

Vojnik 48.17%
Macedonian2 39.17%
Burak 31.67%
Thracian 20.83%
Impaler 19.17%
TG 17.5%
Dick 14.17%
Ljubic 10%
Kaspias 5.83%
DacoCeltic 2.5%
NE Romanian 1.67%
Cumansky 0.83%
Bosnian10 0.83%
Ph2ter 0.83%

[Cumansky]

Turkish (Turkish)

Bunalim Dad 100%
Kaspias 44%
TG 34.17%
Thracian 24%
Burak 21.67%
Impaler 13.33%
DacoCeltic 1.67%
HungarianNS15207 0.83%