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Curtis24
07-05-2011, 06:05 AM
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Sikeliot
07-05-2011, 06:24 AM
Dinaric ?

The Journeyman
07-05-2011, 06:35 AM
Dinaric and a great American

GeistFaust
07-05-2011, 02:01 PM
Dinaricized Cro Magnon with Pontid and Aplinoid influences or tendencies.

Curtis24
07-05-2011, 02:09 PM
Dinaric and a great American

Maybe I should make a "type thomas edison" thread to see who was more racially progressive :P

Curtis24
07-05-2011, 02:10 PM
Dinaricized Cro Magnon with Pontid and Aplinoid influences or tendencies.

so you're saying he would be pred. Cromagnid?

GeistFaust
07-05-2011, 02:10 PM
He seems to be a fairly robust Dinarid most likely do to Cro Magnon admixture or influences.

Saruman
07-05-2011, 02:22 PM
He seems to be a fairly robust Dinarid most likely do to Cro Magnon admixture or influences.

Agrippa said in a previous thread about Tesla Dinarid with Altanto-Pontid.
They are leptomorphic, often while thin still "gaunt"- bones sticking out, and with a mature type.
Example this Croatian boxer:
http://www.advance.hr/bizadvance/image_dump/stipe-drvis-nastavlja-tulumariti-i-obilaziti_41121.jpg

http://www.zagrebancija.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2010/m07/y11240523453910719.jpg

GeistFaust
07-05-2011, 02:24 PM
That is interesting I will have to take note of it his sub type orients itself such that it appears there is a Cro Magnon component present there.

Saruman
07-05-2011, 02:34 PM
That is interesting I will have to take note of it his sub type orients itself such that it appears there is a Cro Magnon component present there.

I think Cromagnon element played part in formation of Dinarids (and Nordids to a lesser degree), that's why leptomorphic Dinarids are on avg. more robust than Nordids and Atlanto-Meds. Still Dinaroids are more derived from Aurignacid component than Cromagnoid.
And also they are mature (as are pure Cromagnids), while Nordids/Atlanto-Meds are more "sinewy leptosomic", gracile Meds being more "juvenile".

GeistFaust
07-05-2011, 02:38 PM
I think Cromagnon element played part in formation of Dinarids (and Nordids to a lesser degree), that's why leptomorphic Dinarids are on avg. more robust than Nordids and Atlanto-Meds. Still Dinaroids are more derived from Aurignacid component than Cromagnoid.
And also they are mature (as are pure Cromagnids), while Nordids/Atlanto-Meds are more "sinewy leptosomic", gracile Meds being more "juvenile".

I think it depends on what kind of Nordid you are talking about. Cro Magnon components played a huge role in shaping the Tronder type and Halstatts and East Nordids show some decent amount of Cro Magnon admxiture at times with the latter showing more of a dominant Cro Magnon strain. Dinarids are an odd Nordid type because I think so of their formation can be linked back to Armenoids. I tend to think they are Armenoids who became Nordicized for the most part.

Saruman
07-05-2011, 03:15 PM
I think it depends on what kind of Nordid you are talking about. Cro Magnon components played a huge role in shaping the Tronder type and Halstatts and East Nordids show some decent amount of Cro Magnon admxiture at times with the latter showing more of a dominant Cro Magnon strain. Dinarids are an odd Nordid type because I think so of their formation can be linked back to Armenoids. I tend to think they are Armenoids who became Nordicized for the most part.

Well some anthropologists such as Czekanowski thought of Dinarid as Nordid-Armenoid mix, Gunther noting similarities, thought of an ancient link with Armenians (Hither Asiatics as his term).
But neither of them gave much importance to development and evolution they often explained types by "simple mixing" of few basic types, whereas Coon and Von Eickstedt focused more on selective processes, hence Coon standing on "Dinarization" of which was for him 2/3 Mediterranid and 1/3 Alpine components, it's probably more like a 2/3 Atlanto-Pontid and 1/3 brachychephalised Cromagnoid (Borreby like)+ selective processes.
Certainly they share many features with other mountain types not only among caucasoids but for example mongoloids, indianids such as Tibetans, and Silvids in, so it wouldn't make sense to conclude that Silvids have genetically something to do with Dinarids or Armenoids, despite them having various features similar to Dinarids (they were already called by Bertil Lundman dinariomorphic)
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Blackfoot/blackfoot8.jpg
Dinarids have more similarities with more progressive mountain Armenoids such as this one
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4828&stc=1&d=1274911840
And on caucasus there are Dinaro-Armenoid types such as Mtebid(Kaukasid)
common among Chechens, Georgians
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS0/TMLaktsXvhI/AAAAAAAAIJg/-y7v33WLer0/s1600/Chechin_shamil_03.jpg
But Dinarids from balkan and central Europe cluster genetically as Europeans and clearly away from Caucasians, so it's more logical to explain Dinarid as an mountain adapting evolution(stronger convex eagle nose for better air flow) from perhaps about 2/3 Atlantopontids/Nordoids (especially in the case of Norids) and 1/3 Borreby/Cromagnon.
Whereas Caucasian Armenoids are most likely derived from proto Iranids, and those Mtebids having a Pontid ancient component aside from proto-Iranid (plus Cromagno-Alpinoid).
Also often called "Taurids"(also used as a general term for all mountain caucasoid/Europid types) as intermediates between Dinarid and progressive Armenoid, but different from Mtebids.

GeistFaust
07-05-2011, 03:31 PM
That is interesting so it seems like they evolutionized the way they did to adapt to their environment. This seems to make sense since alot of the Dinarids from Germany and Austria lived in mountainous terrain. I don't think it has everything to do with environment I think the type in and of itself has been always there whether they lived in a mountainous terrain or not it just seems like the mountainous terrain some of them have been exposed to shaped the general impression we have of Dinarids.

I think Dinarids still tend to be Nordicized Armenoids with Cro Magnon and Aplinoid contributions as well to add to the overall build of the phenotype. Italian Dinarids are an interesting case I think because they seem to have taken on their own form that is similar to the Dinarids but they are more narrow faced I think the average Dinarid in the Central Balkan area. The same applies to Greek Dinarids as well.


Taurids look more Borealized and Rounded out to me so that indicates an Aplinoid admixture or influences in overall make up of the pheontype. I still think Gunther had a good point to be made about Dinarids being a Nordicized Hither Asiatic. Eickstedt's evaluation I don't see to be out of place completely but it is missing the basic point I think. It also seems alot of Dinarids in the Balkan area tend to just be Aurignacidized for the most part whether it be of the Pontid or Nordid type. Also the Noric sub type itself I think is evident enough that they Dinarid type tends to coincide well with Nordid components.

Mordid
07-05-2011, 04:24 PM
Dinarid look like hawk nose Borreby.

Bakura
11-30-2011, 01:27 PM
Famous Serbian scientist.

leisitox
11-30-2011, 01:42 PM
progressive dinaro+pontid. Very productive, like 200 patents :O

Hurrem sultana
11-30-2011, 01:44 PM
very typical balkanoid

Caeruleus
11-30-2011, 01:50 PM
[edit: member asked for photo deletion]

looks a little bit like this guy :D

leisitox
11-30-2011, 02:00 PM
looks a little bit like this guy :D
that guy looks handsome :thumb001:

Caeruleus
11-30-2011, 02:06 PM
Well Tesla was a handsome dude no question about that and very smart something that I cant say about the guy in the picture posted above :D ;)

GeistFaust
11-30-2011, 03:41 PM
Dinario-Pontid/Dinarid.

Sylvanus
11-30-2011, 09:21 PM
Dinarid+alpinid without exotic influence. He is fit in Hungary too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Tesla_young.jpg
http://www.aiall.org/img/clanky/tesla_1100.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Teslathinker.jpg
http://m.blog.hu/ko/konteo/image/Tesla2/nyit2.jpg
http://www.nndb.com/people/334/000022268/tesla64.jpg

Smeagol
08-24-2013, 04:03 PM
Dinaric + Borreby + Pontid.

MINARDOWICZ
10-27-2013, 02:47 AM
http://www.seekingbazinga.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Nicola-Tesla.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Tesla_circa_1890.jpeg

Smeagol
10-27-2013, 02:54 AM
Dinaricized Borreby/Alpine with Pontid influence.

MINARDOWICZ
10-27-2013, 05:30 AM
bump

Ozzy
10-27-2013, 07:52 AM
Doesn't strike me as Borreby or Cromagnoid in particular.

Reminds me of this Hallstatt http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troe292a.jpg

Looks Dinaric/Keltic Nordid/like a Dinarized Atlanto Med, if anything.

Liac
10-27-2013, 08:24 AM
Doesn't strike me as Borreby or Cromagnoid in particular.

Reminds me of this Hallstatt http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troe292a.jpg

Looks Dinaric/Keltic Nordid/like a Dinarized Atlanto Med, if anything.

Off course when it's talk about greatest scientists of all times then he's gotta be Nordid so that Nordicists can take credit for his achievements. Dinaricized Atlanto-Mediterranid/Dinarid is right answer.

Ozzy
10-27-2013, 09:37 AM
Off course when it's talk about greatest scientists of all times then he's gotta be Nordid so that Nordicists can take credit for his achievements. Dinaricized Atlanto-Mediterranid/Dinarid is right answer.

Not really, I could personally care less about that sort of petty crap (not to insult you specifically), he's just morpologically very similar to that guy I'd posted, is he not? Even if there are some differences, they're still notably similar in proportions.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2vdqts8.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/10gefef.jpg

And look at Peter Cushing, who is commonly seen either as Keltic Nordid or a Dinaricized North Atlantid.. They resemble one another quite a bit in their old age.

Keltic Nordids are arguably just dinaricized Atlantids/North Atlantids anyway, from what I remember of the official Apricity page on them.

Liac
10-27-2013, 09:44 AM
Not really, I could personally care less about that sort of petty crap (not to insult you specifically), he's just morpologically very similar to that guy I'd posted, is he not? Even if there are some differences, they're still notably similar in proportions.

And look at Peter Cushing, who is commonly seen either as Keltic Nordid or a Dinaricized North Atlantid.. They resemble one another quite a bit in their old age.

Keltic Nordids are arguably just dinaricized Atlantids/North Atlantids anyway, from what I remember of the official Apricity page on them.

Tesla is definitely not Nordid, Maybe your guys are just Dinarid influenced so they resemble Tesla.

Sharkeatpeople
10-27-2013, 09:48 AM
Ponto-Dinaric

Roy
10-27-2013, 09:49 AM
Dinarid.

Prisoner Of Ice
10-27-2013, 09:56 AM
Tesla is definitely not Nordid, Maybe your guys are just Dinarid influenced so they resemble Tesla.

What nonsense, he is obviously nordic influenced and serbia and bosnia and croatia are stuffed full of north european dna so it's almost impossible to be otherwise. I would say nordid + slightly dinaric but he is more "progressive" so it's not easy to pick out the components - would almost fit as anglo saxon for that matter.

Sharkeatpeople
10-27-2013, 10:08 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vdqts8.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/10gefef.jpg

this dude close to K.Nordic for me,by the way his C.I. tiny = 73

Ozzy
10-27-2013, 06:36 PM
this dude close to K.Nordic for me,by the way his C.I. tiny = 73

Yes, I'd agree. I'm not an expert on Serbia or any of the Balkans, but I don't think it really matters. He merely shares traits in common with the guys I'd posted, traits that merely match up to a list of coinciding traits given the label "Keltic Nordid", doesn't mean that there's any meaningful relation between them.

That would make his skull long and thin, correct? He's clearly either going in a Dinaricized North Atlantoid or a Keltic Nordoid direction, then.

Sharkeatpeople
10-27-2013, 06:47 PM
Yes, I'd agree. I'm not an expert on Serbia or any of the Balkans, but I don't think it really matters. He merely shares traits in common with the guys I'd posted, traits that merely match up to a list of coinciding traits given the label "Keltic Nordid", doesn't mean that there's any meaningful relation between them.

That would make his skull long and thin, correct? He's clearly either going in a Dinaricized North Atlantoid or a Keltic Nordoid direction, then.
Yes,his skull very long and thin

madridi4verrr
10-27-2013, 07:12 PM
dinarized eastern Med/Pontid , you must me blind to see anything "nordid"

Ozzy
10-27-2013, 07:17 PM
dinarized eastern Med/Pontid , you must me blind to see anything "nordid"

Perhaps you're just looking at things through those non-European eyes of yours?

You'd be blind to not see the similarities between him and the examples I've posted, even if he's not of the same type.

Neanderthal
10-27-2013, 07:18 PM
Nordid/Dinarid.

Cleitus
10-27-2013, 07:21 PM
Slaviczed Albanian

ChocolateFace
10-27-2013, 07:23 PM
Mediterranid

He is said to be East Med by this website http://www.ems.net76.net/index_files/EastMeds.htm

Herr Abubu
10-27-2013, 07:24 PM
Dinarid, Dinarid only.

He actually had a short and broad head. Yes, his forehead isn't broad, but Dinarids don't necessarily have especially broad foreheads, which is why their skulls look triangular from a bird's perspective: thin on the front, broad at the back.

http://www.kerryr.net/images/pioneers/gallery/tesla5_lg.jpg

http://sarajevo.co.ba/wp-content/uploads/Nikola-Tesla-1856-1943.jpg

ChocolateFace
10-27-2013, 07:28 PM
Dinarid, Dinarid only.

He actually had a short and broad head. Yes, his forehead isn't broad, but Dinarids don't have especially broad foreheads, which is why their skulls look triangular from a bird's perspective: thin on the front, broad at the back.

http://www.kerryr.net/images/pioneers/gallery/tesla5_lg.jpg

http://sarajevo.co.ba/wp-content/uploads/Nikola-Tesla-1856-1943.jpg

Yes Dinaric component looks stronger and stronger as one gets older. In these photos he looks very Dinaric but when younger looked Mediterranid.

Cleitus
10-27-2013, 07:30 PM
Yes Dinaric component looks stronger and stronger as one gets older. In these photos he looks very Dinaric but when younger looked Mediterranid.
Dinarics are Mediterranean to.

ChocolateFace
10-27-2013, 07:31 PM
Dinarics are Mediterranean to.

But Brachycephalized.

Cristiano viejo
10-27-2013, 07:38 PM
I can not see the Nordic element in him in any way. It sound as a joke.
To be honest, he even look a bit Gypsy in these pics.

Cleitus
10-27-2013, 07:39 PM
I can not see the Nordic element in him in any way. It sound as a joke.
To be honest, he even look a bit Gypsy in these pics.

:picard1:

Cristiano viejo
10-27-2013, 07:49 PM
I am sorry, but if Tesla has Nordic elements, who in Europe have not it?
Just because in Balkans exist Nordic blood does not means that everybody in Balkans is Nordic.
Tesla look a bit like a Paki for me :noidea:

Swearengen
10-27-2013, 07:54 PM
just dinarid

Cleitus
10-27-2013, 07:54 PM
No i mean that he doesnt look Gypsie.

Pjeter Pan
10-27-2013, 08:05 PM
Tesla look a bit like a Paki for me :noidea:
Not at all, but it must be the mustache

kvarc
10-27-2013, 08:13 PM
Tesla look a bit like a Paki for me :noidea:

that`s just nonsense

armenianbodyhair
10-27-2013, 08:49 PM
Lol @ nordid.

Twistedmind
10-27-2013, 09:12 PM
Dinarid/North Pontid. He was gray eyed.

MINARDOWICZ
10-27-2013, 09:16 PM
He is clearly Nordic influenced but not PURELY! I mean there are CLEARLY Dinarid in there as well...

Vukodav
10-27-2013, 09:26 PM
Dinarid/North Pontid. He was gray eyed.
this or just Dinarid/Pontid. eye colour is not that important for Dinaroid types IMO.
Đoković is his look-alike.

Stefan_Dusan
10-27-2013, 09:30 PM
I am sorry, but if Tesla has Nordic elements, who in Europe have not it?
Just because in Balkans exist Nordic blood does not means that everybody in Balkans is Nordic.
Tesla look a bit like a Paki for me :noidea:

Whatever Tesla looked like to you he was one of the smartest men who lived in the world. Only very men of his caliber like Newton, Einstein, Maxwell, Plato, Aristotle. But find me Spanish equivalent of Tesla.

Twistedmind
10-27-2013, 09:34 PM
this or just Dinarid/Pontid. eye colour is not that important for Dinaroid types IMO.
Đoković is his look-alike.

I dont think he was North Pontid because of his pigmenation, altough if you look his colour photo he perfectly fell as North Pontid. Dark hair light eyes and light to medium skinn tone with redish overtone. I think he is Nord Pontid due to more robust built than nethenic looking Pontids. :) I think somebody before classified him as Dinaricised North Atlantid, so I could be on good lead.

Permafrost
10-27-2013, 09:38 PM
Dinotaurid with north porntid admixture

Herr Abubu
10-27-2013, 09:40 PM
Whatever Tesla looked like to you he was one of the smartest men who lived in the world. Only very men of his caliber like Newton, Einstein, Maxwell, Plato, Aristotle. But find me Spanish equivalent of Tesla.

They have Cristiano viejo. One of him is like having two of Tesla. :laugh:

Furnace
10-27-2013, 09:41 PM
Dinarid with pontid influence.




The dinarid is very evident here (when he was young):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Tesla_young_adjusted.JPG

Cristiano viejo
10-27-2013, 09:42 PM
Not at all, but it must be the mustache


that`s just nonsense

The fact of look Gypsy does not mean be it. It´s possible that the reason of my thinking is the photo, which are old and dark.
Obviusly Tesla was a genius, and what Gypsies have we seen that he has been a genius? :rolleyes:

Smeagol
10-27-2013, 09:48 PM
and what Gypsies have we seen that he has been a genius? :rolleyes:

Gigolo.

Smeagol
10-27-2013, 09:49 PM
He doesn't look gypsy at all, I think his look is typical in the Balkans.

Empecinado
10-27-2013, 09:51 PM
Whatever Tesla looked like to you he was one of the smartest men who lived in the world. Only very men of his caliber like Newton, Einstein, Maxwell, Plato, Aristotle. But find me Spanish equivalent of Tesla.

Leonardo Torres Quevedo:


http://googleblog.blogspot.com.es/2012/10/celebrating-leonardo-torres-quevedo.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Torres_y_Quevedo

http://www.madrimasd.org/cienciaysociedad/patrimonio/personajes/images/foto4_torres_quevedo.jpg

Skerdilaid
10-27-2013, 09:52 PM
Who ever says that he looks Gypsy, is truly a moron :picard1:

Sisak
10-27-2013, 09:59 PM
he looks primarily as western balkanian.

mr. logan
10-27-2013, 10:02 PM
Genius. Nş 1.

mr. logan
10-27-2013, 10:03 PM
Dinaric med.

Cristiano viejo
10-27-2013, 11:53 PM
Whatever Tesla looked like to you he was one of the smartest men who lived in the world. Only very men of his caliber like Newton, Einstein, Maxwell, Plato, Aristotle. But find me Spanish equivalent of Tesla.
Well, you are off topic but you can search to Miguel Servet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus
Santiago Ramón y Cajal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Ram%C3%B3n_y_Cajal
Isaac Peral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Peral
Jaime Ferrán http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaume_Ferran_i_Clua
José María Algué http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Maria_Algue
Leonardo Torres Quevedo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Torres_y_Quevedo
Fidel Pagés http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Pages
Juan de la Cierva http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_la_Cierva
Antonio de Ulloa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_de_Ulloa
etc
You can click on those links to know what they did. And then can you name me some Serbian genius in addition to Tesla.

Who ever says that he looks Gypsy, is truly a moron :picard1:
Look the first pic of thread, he look like a Gypsy. You can say me that it´s the pic, or the moustache as someone said.
But what it´s a total nonsense is saying that he was Nordic :lightbul:


They have Cristiano viejo. One of him is like having two of Tesla. :laugh:
Coming from a Muslim Bosniak it´s a compliment. A Muslim Bosniak talking about geniuses and intelligence is really funny.

Prisoner Of Ice
10-27-2013, 11:57 PM
To be honest, he even look a bit Gypsy in these pics.

Wow, can't agree there.

rashka
10-28-2013, 12:00 AM
Dinaric med.

That is not a dinaric med look though.

Pjeter Pan
10-28-2013, 12:03 AM
Dinarid with pontid influence.




The dinarid is very evident here (when he was young):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Tesla_young_adjusted.JPG
Wow how old is he here?he looks completely different

Cristiano viejo
10-28-2013, 12:05 AM
Wow, can't agree there.
Well, no problem Melonhead :noidea:
For me in this pic...

http://www.seekingbazinga.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Nicola-Tesla.jpg

... he look a bit like a Gypsy or a Paki.

Prisoner Of Ice
10-28-2013, 12:06 AM
Well, no problem Melonhead :noidea:
For me in this pic...

http://www.seekingbazinga.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Nicola-Tesla.jpg

... he look a bit like a Gypsy or a Paki.

Yeah, from that angle he could look almost Indian. That's why pics that are posed too much are not good for classifying.

Ozzy
10-28-2013, 12:08 AM
Mediterranid

He is said to be East Med by this website http://www.ems.net76.net/index_files/EastMeds.htm

Perhaps I was wrong, then. But I still see similarities in the comparisons I'd made.

Prisoner Of Ice
10-28-2013, 12:10 AM
That site is definitely wrong.

Ozzy
10-28-2013, 12:10 AM
Well, no problem Melonhead :noidea:
For me in this pic...

http://www.seekingbazinga.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Nicola-Tesla.jpg

... he look a bit like a Gypsy or a Paki.

I can see that he has a pseudo-eastern vibe, but was he really either of those? Obviously not. lol

rashka
10-28-2013, 12:12 AM
Nikola Tesla in New York, 1942 He was probably 85 years old here. He died at age 86.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2rgkeh2.jpg


http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/nikola-tesla-photo-001.jpg
http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/nikola-tesla-secrets-of-antigravity.jpg
http://static.media1.rs/images/media1_news/nikola_tesla.jpg
http://durmitor.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nikola-tesla-pod-stare-dane.jpg?w=460

Skerdilaid
10-28-2013, 12:17 AM
Well, no problem Melonhead :noidea:
For me in this pic...

http://www.seekingbazinga.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Nicola-Tesla.jpg

... he look a bit like a Gypsy or a Paki.

The only shit skin here is you Pablo!

Pjeter Pan
10-28-2013, 12:20 AM
The only shit skin here is you Pablo!
why are you getting mad lol

Skerdilaid
10-28-2013, 12:30 AM
why are you getting mad lol

He is a Dinarid uberman which pretty much is the most dominant phenotype in our Nation. Yet a Moor like him tries to put down a Dinarid as a Gypsy.

Klarra
10-28-2013, 12:33 AM
Very wise man ;)

Pjeter Pan
10-28-2013, 12:33 AM
He is a Dinarid uberman which pretty much the most dominant phenotype in our Nation. Yet a Moor like him tries to put down a Dinarid as a Gypsy.
Oh course he's wrong, but he's probably trolling.

Skerdilaid
10-28-2013, 12:35 AM
Oh course he's wrong, but he's probably trolling.

Well, I am trolling too...

Tatar
10-28-2013, 12:35 AM
Dinaric

Cristiano viejo
10-28-2013, 12:49 AM
He is a Dinarid uberman which pretty much is the most dominant phenotype in our Nation.
Ah, that is the reason for you butthurt :rotfl:
I am sorry but I don´t care if in your country people look like Tesla, for me in some pics Tesla look like Gypsies, I am not trolling this thread, why should I do?

Yet a Moor like him tries to put down a Dinarid as a Gypsy.
Gypsies also can be Dinarids, stupid Turk (who are really Moors :icon_lol:)

rashka
10-28-2013, 12:53 AM
Well, no problem Melonhead :noidea:
For me in this pic...
... he look a bit like a Gypsy or a Paki.

In 1900 it was the fashion to wear hair and moustaches like that. :rolleyes:

Do you have the same sentiments for this French novelist circa 1900 with the same hair and moustache styles?
http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/marcel-proust-1900-posters.jpg?w=500


How about imagining a couple of modern time Spaniard inventors with the same haircut and moustache? They just might look Paki too. :wink

http://www.thelocal.es/userdata/images/article/1fdb48ef723ef3e7cff3dd7a5ff0804bfb8492f62eb9da803e 59003abd15751f.jpg

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 12:56 AM
I see you haven't found equivalent spainard to Tesla, Viejo ;)

Skerdilaid
10-28-2013, 01:13 AM
Ah, that is the reason for you butthurt :rotfl:
I am sorry but I don´t care if in your country people look like Tesla, for me in some pics Tesla look like Gypsies, I am not trolling this thread, why should I do?

Gypsies also can be Dinarids, stupid Turk (who are really Moors :icon_lol:)

You can't compare Moors to umberman Dinarids!

ChocolateFace
10-28-2013, 01:18 AM
In some pics his appearance gives off a gypsy expression, not even trolling.

And all Viejo did was give his opinion.

Germaniac
10-28-2013, 01:19 AM
Tesla was dinaric+slight pontid.

Skerdilaid
10-28-2013, 01:27 AM
In some pics his appearance gives off a gypsy expression, not even trolling.

And all Viejo did was give his opinion.

Man get a fuck out of here, you and that fucking Moor!

Next time you got something to say to me, say it directly...

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 01:29 AM
I never seen gypsy to look like Tesla but that's not important, Tesla is famous for what he did not how he looks.

rashka
10-28-2013, 01:32 AM
This Serbian coach's grandmother and Nikola Tesla's mother were sisters:

Nikola Tesla's mother, Djuka Mandich, is descended from Kosovo Pecanje but by a number of generations.

http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/Serbia_Mont/Dusan%20Ivkovic%20(fiba).jpg

Nikola Tesla's father.
http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/tesla5.jpg

Ozzy
10-28-2013, 01:33 AM
I never seen gypsy to look like Tesla but that's not important, Tesla is famous for what he did not how he looks.

I have to agree, I've assumed gypsies to look more black/indian, assuming that that's basically what they are.

Cristiano viejo
10-28-2013, 01:35 AM
In 1900 it was the fashion to wear hair and moustaches like that. :rolleyes:

Do you have the same sentiments for this French novelist circa 1900 with the same hair and moustache styles?
http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/marcel-proust-1900-posters.jpg?w=500


How about imagining a couple of modern time Spaniard inventors with the same haircut and moustache? They just might look Paki too. :wink

http://www.thelocal.es/userdata/images/article/1fdb48ef723ef3e7cff3dd7a5ff0804bfb8492f62eb9da803e 59003abd15751f.jpg
I understand your view, and maybe you have reason. The pics are old and dark, that it can be the problem.
As I have said, none Gypsy have been a genius never xD
BTW here you have a French politician with moustache etc who really look Gypo
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96260-Classify-French-Pierre-Laval

I see you haven't found equivalent spainard to Tesla, Viejo ;)
Tesla is unique, man :noidea:
But two points, these Spaniards also were genius. If you had bothered to read their biographies you would know it.
The last point is that I see you have not found other Serbian genius in addition to Tesla, Stefan ;)

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 01:35 AM
I have to agree, I've assumed gypsies to look more black/indian, assuming that that's basically what they are.

I have feeling our spanish friend looks more like gypsy than Tesla but I haven't seen his pic ;)

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 01:36 AM
But two points, these Spaniards also were genius. If you had bothered to read their biographies you would know it.
The last point is that I see you have not found other Serbian genius in addition to Tesla, Stefan ;)

Pupin is another, look him up.

Ozzy
10-28-2013, 01:45 AM
I think nearly everyone can look (more) exotic with facial hair.

Cristiano viejo
10-28-2013, 01:51 AM
I have feeling our spanish friend looks more like gypsy than Tesla but I haven't seen his pic ;)
Why do you think that?

Pupin is another, look him up.
Oh, you are rigth, well, now we have two Serbian genius.

MINARDOWICZ
10-28-2013, 04:13 AM
Nikola Tesla is really amazing guys! I don't care if he looks Gypsy to some of you... like that is even a problem anyways! :p.

MINARDOWICZ
10-28-2013, 04:18 AM
Honestly I wish us Italian could claim him! But oh well... We had plenty greats in the past ;). Gotta let Serbia have this one! But forreal... he is like one of my favs hahaha!

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 06:29 AM
What Gypsy? No offense, but he is lighter than average Spaniard.

http://fliiby.com/images/_original/e7g3917dknn.jpg

Empecinado
10-28-2013, 10:04 AM
I see you haven't found equivalent spainard to Tesla, Viejo ;)

Torres Quevedo is perfectly comparable to Tesla, though.

kvarc
10-28-2013, 02:09 PM
this major trollage by butthurt Spaniards is hilarius

MINARDOWICZ
10-28-2013, 02:20 PM
this major trollage by butthurt Spaniards is hilarius

XD. Next thing they are gonna say Antonio Banderas is just as smart as Tesla... xd.

kvarc
10-28-2013, 02:23 PM
XD. Next thing they are gonna say Antonio Banderas is just as smart as Tesla... xd.

I don`t think Antonio even looks better than Tesla, he would be two heads shorter than Tesla:)

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9124/xaey.png

Empecinado
10-28-2013, 02:28 PM
Why do you say Spaniards ? Only Cristiano Viejo has commented that in one photo Tesla seemed Gypsy and you butthurts have responded insulting all Spaniards.

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 02:31 PM
Dinarid with residual Sub-Nordid.

Styrian Mujo
10-28-2013, 02:32 PM
Tesla looks WASPy I'd say he is a dinarid-atlantid or Keltid with mediterranid.

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 02:33 PM
What Gypsy? No offense, but he is lighter than average Spaniard.

http://fliiby.com/images/_original/e7g3917dknn.jpg

Seriously? He's on par with most Spaniards. I mean NATIVE Spaniards, not gypsies, mixed race or indigenous Canarians. Stop with the crap already ...

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 03:44 PM
Seriously? He's on par with most Spaniards. I mean NATIVE Spaniards, not gypsies, mixed race or indigenous Canarians. Stop with the crap already ...
I dont bash anyone. Its not my style. Altough I might be bit annoyed, because of idiotic remark that Tesla look Gypsy. But, again, I honestly don't think most of Spaniards have such complexion, they are bit darker than this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Nikola_tesla_color.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Nikola_Tesla_color.jpg


Why do you say Spaniards ? Only Cristiano Viejo has commented that in one photo Tesla seemed Gypsy and you butthurts have responded insulting all Spaniards.

And why he said Tesla look Gypsy? I would maybe understand if CV was Swedish and instead of Tesla was some really wogish Serb like Tipsarević. But common, just look colour photos, and say it was not provocative.

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 03:48 PM
Torres Quevedo is perfectly comparable to Tesla, though.

Not at all. Tesla gave us communication by radio (lead to radio, cellphones, remote control devices) and AC current (electricity in our homes, and all cities). These two modern inventions completely changed how humans lived.

Arcadefire
10-28-2013, 03:52 PM
I see Pontid.

Arcadefire
10-28-2013, 03:54 PM
Not at all. Tesla gave us communication by radio (lead to radio, cellphones, remote control devices) and AC current (electricity in our homes, and all cities). These two modern inventions completely changed how humans lived.
His biggest contribution to science was never materialized unfortunately.
http://teslageneratorscamsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tesla-coils.jpg

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 04:09 PM
His biggest contribution to science was never materialized unfortunately.
http://teslageneratorscamsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tesla-coils.jpg

Well there are already products out there that use this concept. For example there are devices to remotely charge your phone's battery. The only problem is they can't do it at great distance.

Empecinado
10-28-2013, 04:10 PM
Not at all. Tesla gave us communication by radio (lead to radio, cellphones, remote control devices) and AC current (electricity in our homes, and all cities). These two modern inventions completely changed how humans lived.

Torres Quevedo was the second right after Tesla (5 years later) who invented a remote control and he did it autonomously, without basing on previous Tesla work. He also invented the first digital calculator (the computers precursor) and even the first computer game, besides from other minor inventions.

So yes, he is perfectly comparable to Tesla and anyone unbiased and who likes science will accept this.

Arcadefire
10-28-2013, 04:12 PM
Well there are already products out there that use this concept. For example there are devices to remotely charge your phone's battery. The only problem is they can't do it at great distance.

Yea but look at when the Transmitter was created and think of how it could have changed the world if it had been mass produced. WHo was it that chose not to finance him? Rothschild?

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 04:22 PM
Who gives a rat's ass!

Stefan_Dusan
10-28-2013, 04:25 PM
Who gives a rat's ass!

Don't post in this thread then. No one gives rat ass for your comments here.

kvarc
10-28-2013, 04:53 PM
Torres Quevedo was the second right after Tesla (5 years later) who invented a remote control and he did it autonomously, without basing on previous Tesla work. He also invented the first digital calculator (the computers precursor) and even the first computer game, besides from other minor inventions.

So yes, he is perfectly comparable to Tesla and anyone unbiased and who likes science will accept this.

his a minor scientist compared to Tesla

Empecinado
10-28-2013, 05:14 PM
his a minor scientist compared to Tesla

He is a minor scientist because he is Spaniard, isn't it? Out of your bias he is as relevant as Tesla is.

Leon_C
10-28-2013, 05:30 PM
Of course he looks to have some Aurignacid influence, Dinarids take some of their features from the corded type, Tesla is predominantly Dinarid with some med. He fits these criteria perfectly, he has a somewhat broad forehead and a narrow jaw, his chin projects forward and he has a long, slightly convex nose, he is most likely barachycephalic, but with a slightly more curved occiput than a normal Diniarid, probably from the med component.

Cristiano viejo
10-28-2013, 06:29 PM
What Gypsy? No offense, but he is lighter than average Spaniard.

You must be joking.


this major trollage by butthurt Spaniards is hilarius
No trolling. Why trolling? who defended the Serbian team of basketball in this thread?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98788-Serbian-national-basketball-team-(Eurobasket-2013)

btw I take that thread to respond to the comment above of Twistedmind.


XD. Next thing they are gonna say Antonio Banderas is just as smart as Tesla... xd.
Worthy comment of a mentally retarded.
I put several links of Spanish scientists, some of the category of Tesla, although not so famous, which does not mean anything.

I dont bash anyone. Its not my style. Altough I might be bit annoyed, because of idiotic remark that Tesla look Gypsy. But, again, I honestly don't think most of Spaniards have such complexion, they are bit darker than this:
Well, it´s your opinion. Let us take other views.


And why he said Tesla look Gypsy?
Simply because in some photos he seems it :noidea:



I would maybe understand if CV was Swedish and instead of Tesla was some really wogish Serb like Tipsarević. But common, just look colour photos, and say it was not provocative.
Sorry Twisted, you fall me well but what you say is lacking in the more minimum sense.
Perhaps a Spaniard can not comment on phenotypes?
Perhaps a Spaniard can not tell if someone seems Gypsy?

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 06:32 PM
You must be joking.


No trolling. Why trolling? who defended the Serbian team of basketball in this thread?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98788-Serbian-national-basketball-team-(Eurobasket-2013)

btw I take that thread to respond to the comment above of Twistedmind.


Worthy comment of a mentally retarded.
I put several links of Spanish scientists, some of the category of Tesla, although not so famous, which does not mean anything.

Well, it´s your opinion. Let us take other views.


Simply because in some photos he seems it :noidea:



Sorry Twisted, you fall me well but what you say is lacking in the more minimum sense.
Perhaps a Spaniard can not comment on phenotypes?
Perhaps a Spaniard can not tell if someone seems Gypsy?

Whatever you say. I did not mean to troll when I say he looks lighter than average Spaniard. He was lighter than averge Serb too. :) And sorry if I misunderstood your comments as trolling. I know you are generally friendly towards Serbs. :)

Stears
10-28-2013, 06:52 PM
Off course when it's talk about greatest scientists of all times then he's gotta be Nordid so that Nordicists can take credit for his achievements. Dinaricized Atlanto-Mediterranid/Dinarid is right answer.

Wrong, he was not so great scientist.

Nikola Tesla is a popular figure in conspiracy culture. A lone genius who apparently invented everything we use today, and who was on the brink of discovering free energy when his work was brutally suppressed by the government.

It's not even just a conspiracy culture thing, the cult of Tesla extends into mainstream geek culture.


http://edisontechcenter.org/tesladebunked.html



Debunking the Tesla Myth:
False facts about Tesla giving him more credit than he deserves.

In today's world of infotainment, web pages and documentaries have popped up proclaiming Nikola (Nicola) Tesla of being the inventor of practically everything. The more sites that pop up, the more reinforced false facts become. This is wrong because it denies respect for the true inventors of the technology, as well as over simplifies history. Just as people incorrectly understood what Edison actually did and believed in a simplified idolization, Tesla seems to have taken his populist place in the 21st century. Tesla suffered from narcissism through much of his life, and this throws many of his claims of being "the first" into question. We can only believe patent information, court transcripts and proven written records.

Didn't your mother tell you not to believe everything you read on the internet? So before you go back to the Tesla mania pages we suggest you go to a library and dig up some facts from books and patent applications, just as real historians have.

Sorry to debunk your inner conspiracy theorist yearnings, but here are the facts:

Myth 1: Tesla invented polyphase AC power: FALSE. First there was a hand-cranked AC generator developed by Hippolyte Pixii in 1832. Single phase AC power was being used more in Europe by many inventors in the early 1880s. As early as the late 1870's Germany had developed a 2 phase AC generator. In New York City Tesla had approached investors in 1886 with his AC system and did not have success. So in the United States in New York there was little confidence in AC power systems. From a world wide perspective there was many working on AC systems. August Haselwander and C.S. Bradley(a former Edison employee) created the first 3 phase AC generators(1887). Mikhail Dolivo-Dobrovsky built the first full 3 phase AC generation and distribution system in the 1888-1891 period. Tesla continued to be stuck in his two-phase system which proved to be less effective than three.

Myth 2: Tesla invented the transformer: FALSE. The Ganz company in Budapest was the first to create and use transformers in AC systems in the late 1870s. Tesla was still in school then and hadn't even began his first job in the field of telephony. His first job was in Budapest in 1880, this is where he possibly observed/stole ideas, and was convinced by the Hungarians that AC was viable and worth pursuing while the west was still 5 years behind. William Stanley invented the first modern transformer in 1885. His design was based Gaulard and Gibbs design. Gaulard had used his transformer in the 1884 Lanzo to Turin AC power demonstration. Also credit goes to the Z.B.D Transformer in Hungary The Z.B.D. Transformer was not practical in the system that Stanley set up in Great Barrington, MA so he designed his own. This is backed up by information at the Smithsonian and IEEE. It was in 1885 that Tesla actually joined the minority of inventors working with AC in trying to pitch his system. There is no proof that Tesla had any mature AC systems designed and ready before then. (Tesla claims to have envisioned his own full AC system in 1882 but there are no written documents of any kind to prove this)


Károly Zipernowsky, Miksa Déri and Ottó Bláthy invented the first transformer. William Stanley perfected the transformer in monocyclic and 3 phase AC systems. Tesla and his Westinghouse coworker Oliver Shallenberger developed the transformer to work work with his 2 phase AC systems. Due to Tesla's egomania you will never hear him thank Shallenberger or cohorts. It was clear he was not a team player and it is no surprise Westinghouse didn't want him around for long. His technical contributions were appreciated and Tesla was generously paid by Westinghouse for his work.

Myth 3: Tesla invented the induction coil: FALSE. Absolutely false... Induction was discovered by Michael Faraday, and the induction coil was invented by Nicholas Callan in 1836, long before Tesla was born.

Myth 4: Tesla invented the loudspeaker: FALSE. The loudspeaker as we know it was invented by C.W. Rice and Edward Kellogg with a working prototype in 1921, and patent in 1925. Decades before this final success, Werner Von Siemens had toyed with the idea of a magnetically controlled speaker while Tesla was in grade school.

Myth 5: Tesla invented radar in 1917: FALSE. This one is a real can of worms, radar was made possible due to the work of Christian Hulsmeyer (German)1903, Lee De Forest 1918, Edwin Armstrong 1918, Ernst Alexanderson, Marconi, Albert Hull, Edward Victor Appleton, and Russians who developed a radar system to detect German planes in 1934. Sir Robert Watson-Watt demonstrated the first HF radar system in 1935 which operated at 6 MHz and had a range of 8 miles. There are many books on this subject.

Myth 6: Tesla invented the fluorescent lamp: FALSE. Alexandre E. Becquerel first examined the phenomena of fluorescence in 1857. Some say Edison invented the lamps. Others say George Inman developed the modern fluorescent lamp in 1934. It is tough to say who was first since there was a legal dispute. There is a possibility that the German Edmund Germer preceded both of them. Many people worked on the concept, Inman deserve the credit for building the first successful and practical design. Even if Telsa had played with the theories, he was not alone at any time, and didn't do squat compared to others who had actually worked out the difficulties into a real working product. Daniel McFarlan Moore developed the Moore Tube which was the first commercial ancestor of the fluorescent lamp.


Above graphic: just some of the inventors of the standard fluorescent light. Missing from this graphic is Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla who both contributed but were not key contributors. Tesla was more important in promotion and development of the of the induction lamp which also used fluorescence. Johann Wilhelm Hittorf, J. J. Thomson, Nikola Tesla, Peter Cooper Hewitt and John Anderson were the top 5 contributors making the induction lamp possible.

Myth 7: Tesla invented microwave transmitters: FALSE. Albert W. Hull invented a type of magnetron which lead to many inventions, including today's microwave oven, the microwave communications link, and radar. You can dig deeper on this and find many early pioneers even before Albert Hull.

Myth 8: The 1895 Niagara Falls Hydropower Plant was the first commercial AC hydro power plant: FALSE. This is absolutely false. AC power sites were developed first in Europe from 1878-1885. After 1885 Westinghouse hired Stanley, Oliver Shallenberger, Benjamin Lamme, and others to build AC power systems in North America. Tesla didn't join Westinghouse until 1888. See our list of early AC power sites here.

The Redlands Power Plant build in 1893 was the first 3 phase AC power plant built for commercial purposes in North America. Elihu Thomson, Almirian Decker and Dr. ,Louis Bell worked together to design this site a few years before in Lynn, Massachusetts. Dobrovsky had build the first full hydroelectric three phase AC power system at Frankfurt in 1891. Also, at the time Charles P. Steinmetz was the only one to understand the concept of hysteresis and related physics concepts that helped run the AC generator. Steinmetz was a humble man, and like many technical men, loved teaching and connecting to other humans just as much as the technology. People with a teaching spirit have often let others take the fame and patents. Fame and business success are the focus of only a percentage of engineers. The love of the craft is common among all of them.

Myth 9: Tesla was the underdog who did not promote himself: FALSE.
If you begin to read at all about history of technology at the time you will find that inventions and ideas spread like wildfire from as far east as Hungary and Moscow, to the U.S. For someone like Edison or Tesla it was important to keep up the show and wizardry to captivate the public. And they both did that very well. In the ruthlessly competitive environment of New York City the game was, (and still is) about fame/success at any cost. Tesla, when living on Fifth Avenue was at the epicenter of this pressure. Tesla was business natured, he understood he had to relentlessly promote himself to become like the more successful Edison. Most inventors at the time did not have the relentless need for attention that both of them had.

Myth 10: Back in the late 1800's the conflict for AC vs. DC was Tesla vs. Edison, or Westinghouse vs. General Electric: FALSE.
General Electric was formed in 1892 and by that time Thomas Edison had a minimal role in the workings of the company. While Edison promoted DC power from his home down in New Jersey/New York City area, Elihu Thomson, William Stanley, and C.P. Steinmetz promoted AC as the future. The company was not "for DC". Tesla and Edison did not get along, that's true... but of course! Popular media likes to promote the AC vs. DC conflict in a simple easy-to-digest package simply because all the Mass Communication majors and journalists have been taught that the public loves to watch and read about conflict. One page reads: "Edison also hated Tesla because Tesla invented..." and so on, the quote highlights once again the conflict aspect. If conflict and drama is your focus of interest, than study the World Wrestling Federation, not engineering.

More Controversy: Who invented the polyphase electric motor?: Tesla was first to patent the 3 phase AC motor in the USA 1888, but read on: Galileo Ferraris had come up with the same design months before in Italy. Ferraris was a university professor with no interest in making money from the invention. We know that Tesla was extremely intelligent and was able to memorize entire books after reading them. It is entirely possible that Tesla had obtained a copy of Ferraris's publication to the Royal Academy of Sciences in Turin and was able to understand Ferraris's design. He would be able to copy and clarify the design on paper and submit that to the patent office with the help of Tesla's well-paid team of lawyers. If this was the case than it is just another case of how businessmen with their well paid lawyers have crushed an academic person's claim on being the first. History was almost rewritten here but documents have proven Galileo's claim. Tesla had no evidence to support his self-made claim that he envisioned the motor in 1882. In addition to this Mr. Ferraris had a track record of being an innovator in the greatest events of European AC development in the early 1880's. Tesla had limited experience in AC and was not picked up by Westinghouse until 1888, after his claim of inventing a three phase motor. Read more on the trial here.

Free Electric Power:

Many Tesla fans claim a conspiracy theory stopped Tesla from making "free" electric power distribution wirelessly. First of all infrastructure is still needed and there is no way power will ever be "free". Wireless power distribution is not practical since it is extremely inefficient with huge losses over even a short distance. The final killer of Tesla's idea is the enormous danger of wireless power transmission for wildlife (birds) and damage to humans. Given the big debate on danger of cellphones to humans, and cellphones contain very low power levels, you can only imagine the danger of high powered wireless transmission.

Tesla vs. Edison - An attractive human story, but this isn't engineering.

Tesla left Thomas Edison's company frustrated and short changed. This is a popular story, but Tesla wasn't the only one who left Edison the same way.
Edison the Stubborn:
As the Tesla popular myth states: Tesla had approached Edison with the idea of trying AC development, and Tesla was the lone visionary, however Edison scoffed and said AC would never amount to anything. The truth is he wasn't alone. Others approached Edison and got the same results. C. S. Bradley had worked for Edison, he was convinced about AC's future, he left and invented the three-phase generator in 1887. Otto Blathy who invented the ZBD Transformer in Hungary came on a business trip to meet Edison in 1886. He tried to sell his patent to Edison, again, Edison scoffed at him. This was clearly a poor business decision because by this point Westinghouse had already built and demonstrated a working AC system at Great Barrington, Mass. Elihu Thomson of Thomson-Houston in Massachusetts was already trying to build his own transformer.

Another element in the Tesla vs. Edison debate which Tesla fanatics use to energize support for their "cause" is the electrocution of Topsy the elephant in 1903. Thomas Edison or his PR team, working independently of General Electric wanted to show the dangers of AC power by killing this innocent animal. Tesla is unlikely to have done the same to his credit, but most people in the population at the time had little regard for the fair treatment of animals. It is unlikely Edison stood out from other innovators who used animals to test medical treatments or conduct painful experiments. It was clearly a dark time for animals in industry. In 1903 General Electric had already been making revolutionary new AC power systems for 18 years and had some of the world's best engineers working on AC. Tesla fanatics are more known for their passion than their "historian" side, they fail to have the slightest understanding of the business atmosphere at the time or the wealth of OTHER great minds working on AC. While Edison was living in the past in 1903 promoting DC, the company he created which had led to the formation of General Electric (1892) was already a leader in AC power. The board of directors cast off Edison as a "non team player" and nut just as Tesla was cast off by Westinghouse as "unpredictable" and a nut who would sink the company financially with non-practical pursuits. So who cares if Edison the nut was still promoting DC in 1903? Siemens-Halske, General Electric, Oerlikon, Westinghouse had already moved on into an AC world. There was no War of Currents in 1903. That war had ended in 1891.

Tesla was no "lone visionary" of AC power, he was simply smart enough to keep his eye on great developments of AC in Europe during the early-mid 1880s. He was one of a small group (the minority) of engineers working on AC in America in the mid 1880s. Tesla's first opportunity to work for a real company on AC power came after he "stole" or simultaneously invented the polyphase electric motor in 1888. At a public presentation Elihu Thomson and Westinghouse both thought that Tesla had potential. Thomson (later became GE) offered him a lower position to start. Tesla's ego lead him to decline the opportunity. Lucky for him later on Westinghouse offered him a position with his already established team of engineers working on AC. Westinghouse then got control of Tesla's induction motor patent which helped make them hundreds of millions of dollars. When the induction motor patent was contested in 1905 Westinghouse put it's best lawyers to work defending this cash maker. Let the induction motor fall into public domain and make Tesla loose credibility? The corporate might of Westinghouse would never let this happen!


Conclusion:

I could go on listing all of the false attributions and conspiracy theories regarding Tesla, but this would be a waste of time. The important thing is painting a true picture of ALL the wonderful and amazing personalities of technology in our history. Nikola Tesla was an inventor, and did share a love of engineering and science. And for this he deserves to be honored, but don't fall for the populist rhetoric. I'd recommend visiting the Deutsches Museum in Munich where many of the original first motors and dynamos are on display with accurate listings of attributions.

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 06:54 PM
Edison was stealing ideas from other scientists, and he never was real scientists rather practical inventor. So anything from his retarded apoligist sites is unacceptable. :)
Stears I know its just you, but use your 4G interntet well. :D

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Asr%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&biw=1280&bih=572&q=thomas+edison+overrated&oq=thomas+edion+overra&gs_l=serp.3.0.0i19.2697.9795.0.11565.21.20.1.0.0.0 .285.4121.0j6j14.20.0....0...1c.1.29.serp..2.19.36 97.6YtyPopheZg

Stears
10-28-2013, 07:03 PM
Edison was stealing ideas from other scientists, and he never was real scientists rather practical inventor. So anything from his retarded apoligist sites is unacceptable. :)
Stears I know its just you, but use your 4G interntet well. :D

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Asr%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&biw=1280&bih=572&q=thomas+edison+overrated&oq=thomas+edion+overra&gs_l=serp.3.0.0i19.2697.9795.0.11565.21.20.1.0.0.0 .285.4121.0j6j14.20.0....0...1c.1.29.serp..2.19.36 97.6YtyPopheZg

But we talked about TESLA. Don't create offtopic.

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 07:07 PM
But we talked about TESLA. Don't create offtopic.

You created it. You are posting copy/pastes from worthelss propaganda site, which was created just to defend man who was intelectual theif and bad mouth people from whose that thief was stealing. Could you post some academic source which undermine Tesla as scientist or inventor? No. Anyway this is about Tesla's phenotype, not about his role in history.

Stears
10-28-2013, 07:19 PM
You created it. You are posting copy/pastes from worthelss propaganda site, which was created just to defend man who was intelectual theif and bad mouth people from whose that thief was stealing. Could you post some academic source which undermine Tesla as scientist or inventor? No. Anyway this is about Tesla's phenotype, not about his role in history.

Wrong. It is a well referenced site, with citations from books of academic scientists.

Many people was ahead before Tesla (see patent numbers and date, or date of their first publications)
Contemporary Patents and publications in scientific magazines are hard-facts, which can clearly prove that not Tesla was the first who invented those things.

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 07:23 PM
Wrong. It is a well referenced site, with citations from books of academic scientists.
Rlly? There is no single reference. Let alon single book listed as literature. :D
http://edisontechcenter.org/resources.html

Academic scientists? Where are there :D


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Many people was ahead before Tesla (see patent numbers and date, or date of their first publications)
Patents and publications are hard-facts.
Nope. Patents do not mean anything. Many patents were acctually intelectuals thefts and Edison was champion in it.

Stears
10-28-2013, 07:42 PM
A painful question: How was that possible, that Tesla patented and published 90% of "his" inventions and discoveries later than the above mentioned scholars/engineers?
So Tesla had no proof for the priority of "his" inventions. "Because he said" ? Hahahaha

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 07:50 PM
A painful question: How was that possible, that Tesla patented and published 90% of "his" inventions and discoveries later than the above mentioned scholars/engineers?
So Tesla had no proof for original invention. "Because he said" ? Hahahaha
Hahhahahaha. Nobody ever claims Tesla did such things.
1) Nobody claims he invented AC power. Just he proved it to be usefull, unlike some Edison who claimed it cant be used. I wonder who was right? :laugh:

Rest is similar crap.

Go and educate yourslef:

http://inventors.about.com/od/tstartinventions/a/Nikola_Tesla.htm

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 07:52 PM
Once more for the painfully ignorant - or in denial - AT members ... Average Spaniards are what you find in the below attachments. Seriously, some people continue to function in Alice - in - Wonderland domains.

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 08:04 PM
I dont bash anyone. Its not my style. Altough I might be bit annoyed, because of idiotic remark that Tesla look Gypsy. But, again, I honestly don't think most of Spaniards have such complexion, they are bit darker than this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Nikola_tesla_color.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Nikola_Tesla_color.jpg



And why he said Tesla look Gypsy? I would maybe understand if CV was Swedish and instead of Tesla was some really wogish Serb like Tipsarević. But common, just look colour photos, and say it was not provocative.

Sorry, but you don't know much about Spain. Build up your knowledge cache before commenting and posting. Seriously, you read like an insecure bigot.

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 08:06 PM
Sorry, but you don't know much about Spain. Build up your knowledge cache before commenting and posting. Seriously, you read like an insecure bigot.
Could you stop acting like hysteric woman? And stop quoting me. If you dont like my opinion ok, but I wont change it.

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 08:07 PM
Keep on jack-assing Twistedmind. Soon you will join your buddies in the dust-bin of history. :thumb001:

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 08:08 PM
Keep on jack-assing Twistedmind. Soon you will join your buddies in the dust-bin of history. :thumb001:

Could somebody protect other users of this self-hating idiot?

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 08:10 PM
Could you stop acting like hysteric woman? And stop quoting me. If you dont like my opinion ok, but I wont change it.

Woman? What a childish thing to say. No one cares about your uninformed opinions. The crap that comes out your mouth is enough to drown people. Wake up, before you sink into the depths of "Moronica."

Anthropologique
10-28-2013, 08:11 PM
Could somebody protect other users of this self-hating idiot?

The self-hater is YOU! Who do you think you are fooling ... bigoted detritus? Tell the truth for once.

Cristiano viejo
10-28-2013, 08:12 PM
Come on guys, continue talking about Tesla, please.

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 08:14 PM
The self-hater is YOU! Who do you think you are fooling ... bigoted detritus?
You mean I got upset anyway when somebdoy say something I dont like? Nah. Its you.




Tell the truth for once.
You are moron. Statisfied?

Stears
10-28-2013, 08:18 PM
Hahhahahaha. Nobody ever claims Tesla did such things.
1) Nobody claims he invented AC power. Just he proved it to be usefull, unlike some Edison who claimed it cant be used. I wonder who was right? :laugh:

Rest is similar crap.

Go and educate yourslef:

http://inventors.about.com/od/tstartinventions/a/Nikola_Tesla.htm

Wrong. Edison have never claimed that AC doesn't work. (He know it, and he bought the patents of ZBD Tranformer)

Tesla did not invent the transformer (it was invented by the Hungarian ZBD team), nor the 3-phase induction motor (It was invented and patented by italian prof. Ferraris)

So I can't understand why do you refer to the war of the currents. The war of the currents (and the victory of AC) were caused/created by the series of inventions of the Hungarian ZBD team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_currents AND http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer#Closed-core_transformers_and_parallel_power_distribution

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 08:25 PM
Wrong. Edison have never claimed that AC doesn't work. (He know it, and he bought the patents of ZBD Tranformer)
He just claimed it is to dengrous to use.



Tesla did not invent the transformer (it was invented by the Hungarian ZBD team), nor the 3-phase induction motor (It was invented and patented by italian prof. Ferraris)

:picard1:
You are realy stupid. Nobody credits him for that. He invented radio, x-rays, laser and some other things.




So I can't understand why do you refer to the war of the currents. The war of the currents (and the victory of AC) were caused/created by the series of inventions of the Hungarian ZBD team.

Nope. Their patent was bought by Edison, and hence Westinghous could not use it. Tesla did his own patent to circumvene this dificulty.

Why are you so annyingly stupid?

Stears
10-28-2013, 08:30 PM
He just claimed it is to dengrous to use.


:picard1:
You are realy stupid. Nobody credits him for that. He invented radio, x-rays, laser and some other things.



Nope. Their patent was bought by Edison, and hence Westinghous could not use it. Tesla did his own patent to circumvene this dificulty.

Why are you so annyingly stupid?


Manority of European language call the X-rays as "Röntgen rays".


The scientific and medical community will forever be indebted to an accidental discovery made by German physicist Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen in 1895.

While experimenting with electrical currents through glass cathode-ray tubes, Röntgen discovered that a piece of barium platinocyanide glowed even though the tube was encased in thick black cardboard and was across the room [source: Britannica]. He theorized that some kind of radiation must be traveling in the space. Röntgen didn't fully understand his discovery so he dubbed it X-radiation for its unexplained nature.

To test his newfound theory, Röntgen enlisted the help of his wife for his first X-ray photos and captured images of the bones in her hand and her wedding ring in what would become known as the first röntgenogram [source: Nobel Prize]. He discovered that when emitted in complete darkness, X-rays passed through objects of varying density, rendering the flesh and muscle of his wife's hand mostly transparent. The denser bones and the ring left behind a shadow on a special photographic plate covered in barium platinocyanide. The term X-radiation or X-ray stuck although it is still sometimes referred to as the Röntgen ray in German-speaking countries [source: NASA].

Röntgen's discovery garnered much attention in the scientific community and with the public. He gave his first public lecture on X-rays in January 1896 and showed the rays' ability to photograph the bones within living flesh. A few weeks later in Canada, an X-ray was used to find a bullet in a patient's leg [source: Taming the Rays].

Honorary degrees, medals, streets named in his honor and memberships to academic societies all followed. The recognition peaked with the awarding of the first Nobel Prize for physics in 1901 [source: Nobel Prize]. Röntgen deliberately didn't patent his discovery, feeling that scientific advances belonged to the world and should not be for profit.


ABOUT TRANSFORMER: (the american AC is not important, because when americans started to build their first AC power plants, some European capital cities has already used AC systems with Transformers.


Early series circuit transformer distribution

Induction coils with open magnetic circuits are inefficient at transferring power to loads. Until about 1880, the paradigm for AC power transmission from a high voltage supply to a low voltage load was a series circuit. Open-core transformers with a ratio near 1:1 were connected with their primaries in series to allow use of a high voltage for transmission while presenting a low voltage to the lamps. The inherent flaw in this method was that turning off a single lamp (or other electric device) affected the voltage supplied to all others on the same circuit. Many adjustable transformer designs were introduced to compensate for this problematic characteristic of the series circuit, including those employing methods of adjusting the core or bypassing the magnetic flux around part of a coil.[92] Efficient, practical transformer designs did not appear until the 1880s, but within a decade, the transformer would be instrumental in the War of Currents, and in seeing AC distribution systems triumph over their DC counterparts, a position in which they have remained dominant ever since.[93]
Shell form transformer. Sketch used by Uppenborn to describe ZBD engineers' 1885 patents and earliest articles.[92]
Core form, front; shell form, back. Earliest specimens of ZBD-designed high-efficiency constant-potential transformers manufactured at the Ganz factory in 1885.
The ZBD team consisted of Károly Zipernowsky, Ottó Bláthy and Miksa Déri
Stanley's 1886 design for adjustable gap open-core induction coils[94]
Closed-core transformers and parallel power distribution

In the autumn of 1884, Károly Zipernowsky, Ottó Bláthy and Miksa Déri (ZBD), three engineers associated with the Ganz factory, had determined that open-core devices were impracticable, as they were incapable of reliably regulating voltage.[95] In their joint 1885 patent applications for novel transformers (later called ZBD transformers), they described two designs with closed magnetic circuits where copper windings were either a) wound around iron wire ring core or b) surrounded by iron wire core.[92] The two designs were the first application of the two basic transformer constructions in common use to this day, which can as a class all be termed as either core form or shell form (or alternatively, core type or shell type), as in a) or b), respectively (see images).[37][38][96][97] The Ganz factory had also in the autumn of 1884 made delivery of the world's first five high-efficiency AC transformers, the first of these units having been shipped on September 16, 1884.[98] This first unit had been manufactured to the following specifications: 1,400 W, 40 Hz, 120:72 V, 11.6:19.4 A, ratio 1.67:1, one-phase, shell form.[98]

In both designs, the magnetic flux linking the primary and secondary windings traveled almost entirely within the confines of the iron core, with no intentional path through air (see Toroidal cores below). The new transformers were 3.4 times more efficient than the open-core bipolar devices of Gaulard and Gibbs.[99] The ZBD patents included two other major interrelated innovations: one concerning the use of parallel connected, instead of series connected, utilization loads, the other concerning the ability to have high turns ratio transformers such that the supply network voltage could be much higher (initially 1,400 to 2,000 V) than the voltage of utilization loads (100 V initially preferred).[100][101] When employed in parallel connected electric distribution systems, closed-core transformers finally made it technically and economically feasible to provide electric power for lighting in homes, businesses and public spaces.[102][103] Bláthy had suggested the use of closed cores, Zipernowsky had suggested the use of parallel shunt connections, and Déri had performed the experiments;[104]

Transformers today are designed on the principles discovered by the three engineers. They also popularized the word 'transformer' to describe a device for altering the emf of an electric current,[102][105] although the term had already been in use by 1882.[106][107] In 1886, the ZBD engineers designed, and the Ganz factory supplied electrical equipment for, the world's first power station that used AC generators to power a parallel connected common electrical network, the steam-powered Rome-Cerchi power plant.[108]

Although George Westinghouse had bought Gaulard and Gibbs' patents in 1885, the Edison Electric Light Company held an option on the US rights for the ZBD transformers, requiring Westinghouse to pursue alternative designs on the same principles. He assigned to William Stanley the task of developing a device for commercial use in United States.[109] Stanley's first patented design was for induction coils with single cores of soft iron and adjustable gaps to regulate the emf present in the secondary winding (see image).[94] This design[110] was first used commercially in the US in 1886.

Twistedmind
10-28-2013, 08:40 PM
Manority of European language call the X-rays as "Röntgen rays".

Yes and? Tesla discovered it before, but did not apply it like Roentgen. Whats problem?

http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/28/4/1189.full



ABOUT TRANSFORMER: (the american AC is not important, because when americans started to build their first AC power plants, some European capital cities has already used AC systems with Transformers.
And? Wht it has with anything? I said: Your article is idiotic since it claims somebody is ascribing Tesla inventions whos are not his. But reasoning with you is impossible. You constantly repeating somenting nobody cares/its not relevant.

Ozzy
10-28-2013, 11:12 PM
Lol @ nordid.

You think it's funny, but he still does resemble that dude that I posted.

You'd have to be blind and retarded not to see the general similarities, bro.

He looked Atlantid/Pontid + Dinaric to me, though. But in his old age sort of looked Keltic Nordic, which is arguably just a Dinaricized Atlantic type to begin.

Swearengen
10-28-2013, 11:34 PM
he doesn't look nordid. he's either dinarid or dinarid with pontid influence.

kvarc
10-29-2013, 12:49 AM
He is a minor scientist because he is Spaniard, isn't it? Out of your bias he is as relevant as Tesla is.

it`s a objective fact... and I really don`t understand why has this thread went in this direction

Cristiano viejo
10-29-2013, 01:04 AM
I really don`t understand why has this thread went in this direction
Oh man, you should know how this works, I said that Tesla in some pics look a bit like a Gypsy... and then some privileged minds began to disqualify me and to my country, as if that were to become another thing to Tesla :rolleyes:
These same privileged minds even claimed that the Spaniards perhaps think that Antonio Banderas is also a genius, look what comment more stupid and off topic...

rashka
10-29-2013, 01:18 AM
Oh man, you should know how this works, I said that Tesla in some pics look a bit like a Gypsy... and then some privileged minds began to disqualify me and to my country, as if that were to become another thing to Tesla :rolleyes:
These same privileged minds even claimed that the Spaniards perhaps think that Antonio Banderas is also a genius, look what comment more stupid and off topic...

Took this a little to heart. :lol:

They have Cristiano viejo. One of him is like having two of Tesla. :laugh:

madridi4verrr
10-29-2013, 01:19 AM
he doesn't look nordid. he's either dinarid or dinarid with pontid influence.

The number of nordid-centrist here is amazing :confused:
He's clearly dinaro-med or dinarid with pontid influence like you said ...
Anyway he fits the best where he's from , the balkan ...

Cristiano viejo
10-29-2013, 01:35 AM
Took this a little to heart. :lol:

Wrong, as I said in a previous message, what says a Muslim Bosniak about intelligence doesn't matter for me.

Stears
10-29-2013, 06:16 AM
He just claimed it is to dengrous to use.


:picard1:
You are realy stupid. Nobody credits him for that. He invented radio, x-rays, laser and some other things.



Nope. Their patent was bought by Edison, and hence Westinghous could not use it. Tesla did his own patent to circumvene this dificulty.

Why are you so annyingly stupid?

He did not invent the radio, he was just a contributor in radio technology.

James Clerk Maxwell showed mathematically that electromagnetic waves could propagate through free space. Heinrich Rudolf Hertz and many others demonstrated radio wave propagation on a laboratory scale.

Nikola Tesla experimentally demonstrated the transmission and radiation of radio frequency energy in 1892 and 1893 proposing that it might be used for the telecommunication of information.

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 11:24 AM
He did not invent the radio, he was just a contributor in radio technology.

James Clerk Maxwell showed mathematically that electromagnetic waves could propagate through free space. Heinrich Rudolf Hertz and many others demonstrated radio wave propagation on a laboratory scale.

Nikola Tesla experimentally demonstrated the transmission and radiation of radio frequency energy in 1892 and 1893 proposing that it might be used for the telecommunication of information.

Nikola Tesla made radio acctually. While Maxwell just theoreticall calculated, and Hertz was just experimenting, without wawes. Wh do you contine with stupid comments?

Stears
10-29-2013, 12:26 PM
Nikola Tesla made radio acctually. While Maxwell just theoreticall calculated, and Hertz was just experimenting, without wawes. Wh do you contine with stupid comments?

Such a laughable ethnocentric lies (only serbian people are able to do this)

Experimenting without waves :))))))))))))))))) This is the slip of the tongue of the YEAR :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Methusalem
10-29-2013, 12:30 PM
Just Dinarid Uebermensch.

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 12:44 PM
Experimenting without waves

Lapsus calami. :bored: Not as your idiocy about mosques with icons. :D

Anyway according to you: its ethniocentric lie that Hertz just proved Maxwell's theory, without even contemplating about use of radio waves for communication, while Tesla acctually did use waves for communication? (altough it was nusproduct of his idea for wireless transportation of electricity)


Just Dinarid Uebermensch.

Dolichocephalic Dinarid. Interesting. :D

http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2011//09/1909/feljton-kralj-petar-drugi-1.jpg

Methusalem
10-29-2013, 12:52 PM
He is not doliocephalic. You need new glasses alpignid servant.

Cleitus
10-29-2013, 12:53 PM
Lapsus calami. :bored: Not as your idiocy about mosques with icons. :D

Anyway according to you: its ethniocentric lie that Hertz just proved Maxwell's theory, without even contemplating about use of radio waves for communication, while Tesla acctually did use waves for communication? (altough it was nusproduct of his idea for wireless transportation of electricity)



Dolichocephalic Dinarid. Interesting. :D

http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2011//09/1909/feljton-kralj-petar-drugi-1.jpg

He is clearly Brachycephalic :picard1:

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 12:55 PM
He is clearly Brachycephalic :picard1:

Lol.

This is clearly brachycephalic:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe055.jpg
Compare it with old man's pic (that is Tesla, younger one is King Petar II)

Methusalem
10-29-2013, 12:57 PM
He is clearly Brachycephalic :picard1:

Ignore this Serbian alpignid from Mongolia. He is jealous of Dinarids.

Cleitus
10-29-2013, 12:59 PM
Lol.

This is clearly brachycephalic:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe055.jpg
http://www.nndb.com/people/334/000022268/tesla64.jpg
http://www.mds975.co.uk/Images/tesla_01.jpg

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 01:00 PM
http://www.nndb.com/people/334/000022268/tesla64.jpg
http://www.mds975.co.uk/Images/tesla_01.jpg

Do you even know what brachycephalic means? :D

Methusalem
10-29-2013, 01:02 PM
Do you even know what brachycephalic means? :D

Do you know anything about racial anthropology? Tesla is meso/brachycephalic and hence falls clearly into the Taurid cluster. He is the epitome of a Dinarid Uebermensch.

Trun
10-29-2013, 01:03 PM
He is so Dinarid that many Albos can turn red.

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 01:05 PM
Tesla is meso/brachycephalic and hence falls clearly into the Taurid cluster.
Nope. He is Meso/Dolichocephalic. And stop with retarded trolling.

http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2013/02/11/18311802495118b4f5b546a318659623_orig.jpg

BTW, for the ArbiHari:

http://imageshack.us/a/img809/3381/cephalic11.jpg

Methusalem
10-29-2013, 01:12 PM
Troll is obvious.

Stears
10-29-2013, 01:35 PM
Lapsus calami. :bored: Not as your idiocy about mosques with icons. :D

Anyway according to you: its ethniocentric lie that Hertz just proved Maxwell's theory, without even contemplating about use of radio waves for communication, while Tesla acctually did use waves for communication? (altough it was nusproduct of his idea for wireless transportation of electricity)



Dolichocephalic Dinarid. Interesting. :D

http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2011//09/1909/feljton-kralj-petar-drugi-1.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Rudolf_Hertz#Electromagnetic_research

In 1886, Hertz developed the Hertz antenna receiver. This is a set of terminals which is not electrically grounded for its operation. He also developed a transmitting type of dipole antenna, which was a center-fed driven element for transmitting UHF radio waves. These antennas are the simplest practical antennas from a theoretical point of view.

In 1887, Hertz experimented with radio waves in his laboratory. These actions followed Michelson's 1881 experiment (precursor to the 1887 Michelson–Morley experiment), which did not detect the existence of aether drift. Hertz altered Maxwell's equations to take this view into account for electromagnetism. Hertz used a Ruhmkorff coil-driven spark gap and one meter wire pair as a radiator. Capacity spheres were present at the ends for circuit resonance adjustments. His receiver, a precursor to the dipole antenna, was a simple half-wave dipole antenna for shortwaves. Hertz published his work in a book titled: Electric waves: being researches on the propagation of electric action with finite velocity through space.[9]

Through experimentation, he proved that transverse free space electromagnetic waves can travel over some distance. This had been predicted by James Clerk Maxwell and Michael Faraday. With his apparatus configuration, the electric and magnetic fields would radiate away from the wires as transverse waves. Hertz had positioned the oscillator about 12 meters from a zinc reflecting plate to produce standing waves. Each wave was about 4 meters. Using the ring detector, he recorded how the magnitude and wave's component direction varied. Hertz measured Maxwell's waves and demonstrated that the velocity of radio waves was equal to the velocity of light. The electric field intensity and polarity was also measured by Hertz. (Hertz, 1887, 1888).

The Hertzian cone was first described by Hertz as a type of wave-front propagation through various media. His experiments expanded the field of electromagnetic transmission and his apparatus was developed further by others in the radio. Hertz also found that radio waves could be transmitted through different types of materials, and were reflected by others, leading in the distant future to radar.

Hertz helped establish the photoelectric effect (which was later explained by Albert Einstein) when he noticed that a charged object loses its charge more readily when illuminated by ultraviolet light. In 1887, he made observations of the photoelectric effect and of the production and reception of electromagnetic (EM) waves, published in the journal Annalen der Physik. His receiver consisted of a coil with a spark gap, whereby a spark would be seen upon detection of EM waves. He placed the apparatus in a darkened box to see the spark better. He observed that the maximum spark length was reduced when in the box. A glass panel placed between the source of EM waves and the receiver absorbed ultraviolet radiation that assisted the electrons in jumping across the gap. When removed, the spark length would increase. He observed no decrease in spark length when he substituted quartz for glass, as quartz does not absorb UV radiation. Hertz concluded his months of investigation and reported the results obtained. He did not further pursue investigation of this effect, nor did he make any attempt at explaining how the observed phenomenon was brought about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla#Radio

Tesla's theories on the possibility of the transmission by radio waves go back as far as lectures and demonstrations in 1893 in St. Louis, Missouri, the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and the National Electric Light Association.[94] Tesla's demonstrations and principles were written about widely through various media outlets.[75] Many devices such as the Tesla Coil were used in the further development of radio


CHECKMATE!

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 01:42 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Rudolf_Hertz#Electromagnetic_research

In 1886, Hertz developed the Hertz antenna receiver. This is a set of terminals which is not electrically grounded for its operation. He also developed a transmitting type of dipole antenna, which was a center-fed driven element for transmitting UHF radio waves. These antennas are the simplest practical antennas from a theoretical point of view.

In 1887, Hertz experimented with radio waves in his laboratory. These actions followed Michelson's 1881 experiment (precursor to the 1887 Michelson–Morley experiment), which did not detect the existence of aether drift. Hertz altered Maxwell's equations to take this view into account for electromagnetism. Hertz used a Ruhmkorff coil-driven spark gap and one meter wire pair as a radiator. Capacity spheres were present at the ends for circuit resonance adjustments. His receiver, a precursor to the dipole antenna, was a simple half-wave dipole antenna for shortwaves. Hertz published his work in a book titled: Electric waves: being researches on the propagation of electric action with finite velocity through space.[9]

Through experimentation, he proved that transverse free space electromagnetic waves can travel over some distance. This had been predicted by James Clerk Maxwell and Michael Faraday. With his apparatus configuration, the electric and magnetic fields would radiate away from the wires as transverse waves. Hertz had positioned the oscillator about 12 meters from a zinc reflecting plate to produce standing waves. Each wave was about 4 meters. Using the ring detector, he recorded how the magnitude and wave's component direction varied. Hertz measured Maxwell's waves and demonstrated that the velocity of radio waves was equal to the velocity of light. The electric field intensity and polarity was also measured by Hertz. (Hertz, 1887, 1888).

The Hertzian cone was first described by Hertz as a type of wave-front propagation through various media. His experiments expanded the field of electromagnetic transmission and his apparatus was developed further by others in the radio. Hertz also found that radio waves could be transmitted through different types of materials, and were reflected by others, leading in the distant future to radar.

Hertz helped establish the photoelectric effect (which was later explained by Albert Einstein) when he noticed that a charged object loses its charge more readily when illuminated by ultraviolet light. In 1887, he made observations of the photoelectric effect and of the production and reception of electromagnetic (EM) waves, published in the journal Annalen der Physik. His receiver consisted of a coil with a spark gap, whereby a spark would be seen upon detection of EM waves. He placed the apparatus in a darkened box to see the spark better. He observed that the maximum spark length was reduced when in the box. A glass panel placed between the source of EM waves and the receiver absorbed ultraviolet radiation that assisted the electrons in jumping across the gap. When removed, the spark length would increase. He observed no decrease in spark length when he substituted quartz for glass, as quartz does not absorb UV radiation. Hertz concluded his months of investigation and reported the results obtained. He did not further pursue investigation of this effect, nor did he make any attempt at explaining how the observed phenomenon was brought about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla#Radio

Tesla's theories on the possibility of the transmission by radio waves go back as far as lectures and demonstrations in 1893 in St. Louis, Missouri, the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and the National Electric Light Association.[94] Tesla's demonstrations and principles were written about widely through various media outlets.[75] Many devices such as the Tesla Coil were used in the further development of radio

Well lets do something. Go and ype Ctrl+F and then tellm me where in your copy paste is word communication? I dont see it. If you cant relaise that Hertz was just proved Maxwell's theory is right, he did not made radio aprat which could be used for communication, you are bigger idiot. Do you know that Hertz is equally creditable for Radio as for television and mobile phones. Yet nobody credit him as inventor of TV and celular phones. I am really wondering why I am wasting my arguments on retarded person like you. You are reading tonns of text, yett you are not capable of understand it.




CHECKMATE!

Check my dick.

Stears
10-29-2013, 03:20 PM
Well lets do something. Go and ype Ctrl+F and then tellm me where in your copy paste is word communication? I dont see it. If you cant relaise that Hertz was just proved Maxwell's theory is right, he did not made radio aprat which could be used for communication, you are bigger idiot. Do you know that Hertz is equally creditable for Radio as for television and mobile phones. Yet nobody credit him as inventor of TV and celular phones. I am really wondering why I am wasting my arguments on retarded person like you. You are reading tonns of text, yett you are not capable of understand it.





Check my dick.

My uneducated proletarian serbo-gypsy "friend", Tesla did not invented the radio the radio waves or the the first radio communication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 03:26 PM
My uneducated proletarian serbo-gypsy "friend", Tesla did not invented the radio the radio waves or the the first radio communication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio
Well, first you are more likely to be gypsy and proeltarian, sicn eboth are more charachteristic for your contry.

Second, what kind of moron could claim somebody did invent radio waves? :D Do you happen to know what is electromagnetics? I tought it is natural phenomenon.

Now:


James Clerk Maxwell showed mathematically that electromagnetic waves could propagate through free space. Heinrich Rudolf Hertz and many others demonstrated radio wave propagation on a laboratory scale.

Nikola Tesla experimentally demonstrated the transmission and radiation of radio frequency energy in 1892 and 1893 proposing that it might be used for the telecommunication of information.[2][3] The Tesla method was described in New York[4] in 1897.[5][6] In 1897, Tesla applied for two key United States radio patents, US 645576, first radio system patent, and US 649621.[7] Tesla also used sensitive electromagnetic receivers,[8][9][10] that were unlike the less responsive coherers later used by Marconi and other early experimenters.[dubious – discuss] Shortly thereafter, he began to develop wireless remote control devices.

In 1895, Marconi built a wireless system capable of transmitting signals at long distances (1.5 mi./ 2.4 km).[11] From Marconi's experiments, the phenomenon that transmission range is proportional to the square of antenna height is known as "Marconi's law".[12] This formula represents a physical law that radio devices use.

Seems Tesla did happent to be person who saw it could be used as communication. Now, inventing of radio communication is again quite idiotic sentence even for you. Its as reasonable as invention of transportation :D

Stefan_Dusan
10-29-2013, 03:33 PM
My uneducated proletarian serbo-gypsy "friend", Tesla did not invented the radio the radio waves or the the first radio communication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio

Radio (1897): Tesla first sent a wireless transmission from his lab at Houston Street in New York City to a boat on the Hudson River -- 25 miles (40 km) away -- in 1897; he would've done this sooner but for a fire that destroyed his previous lab in 1895. Tesla invented everything we associate with radio -- antennas, tuners and the like -- but an inventor named Guglielmo Marconi was given the actual credit. In 1943, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Tesla's patent had precedence, but the public already considered Marconi the father of radio

http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/famous-inventors/famous-nikola-tesla-inventions.htm

Now stop fucking this thread up, no one gives shit.

Stears
10-29-2013, 03:55 PM
Well, first you are more likely to be gypsy and proeltarian, sicn eboth are more charachteristic for your contry.

Second, what kind of moron could claim somebody did invent radio waves? :D Do you happen to know what is electromagnetics? I tought it is natural phenomenon.

Now:



Seems Tesla did happent to be person who saw it could be used as communication. Now, inventing of radio communication is again quite idiotic sentence even for you. Its as reasonable as invention of transportation :D

Do you forget your genetic make-up and your average dark pigmentation? It is laughable when a serb try to call the Hungarians as gypsies :))))

The first radio communications happend, before Tesla started to experiment with radio waves. So, you lost the debate.

dralos
10-29-2013, 04:03 PM
looks albo

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 04:08 PM
It is laughable when Hungarian try to call the Serbs as gypsies :))))
Agree.

Stears
10-29-2013, 04:10 PM
I'm an idiot liar Serbo-Gypsy!.

Agree.

Twistedmind
10-29-2013, 04:14 PM
Now stop fucking this thread up, no one gives shit.



Agree

You see how even you could be reasonable. :)

MINARDOWICZ
10-29-2013, 05:43 PM
Oh man, you should know how this works, I said that Tesla in some pics look a bit like a Gypsy... and then some privileged minds began to disqualify me and to my country, as if that were to become another thing to Tesla :rolleyes:
These same privileged minds even claimed that the Spaniards perhaps think that Antonio Banderas is also a genius, look what comment more stupid and off topic...

Hey... I made this thread, I can make jokes! :p

Honestly I don't think you brought up valid points though... It has nothing to do with the intelligence of spain... but everything to do with how smart Tesla was... Not many people in this world are of the same caliber.

I have nothing against Spaniards. Hahaha! Too many close friends and extended fam with spanish blood for me to live with being such a jerk :o.

But really... I don't think they said he looks non gypsy because they don't like gypsies, but because he doesn't look like it.

But ya... I'm glad things have cooled down a bit now here. :o. Never expected my thread to be so popular.

kvarc
10-29-2013, 09:53 PM
dinaric with a touch of Noric........... altrough he looks a bit like Novak Djokovic who is more Dinaric with a touch of pontid

rashka
10-29-2013, 11:55 PM
I find that he has some Alpine elements. That is what many of you can't even get straight.

kvarc
10-30-2013, 01:24 AM
I find that he has some Alpine elements. That is what many of you can't even get straight.

that has also passed through my mind

rashka
10-30-2013, 02:54 AM
My mom says he looks Montenegrin and that they are the best looking people in all of Yugoslavia.

kvarc
10-30-2013, 03:26 AM
My mom says he looks Montenegrin and that they are the best looking people in all of Yugoslavia.

more Old Hercegovina, the west part of Montenegro.... he looks a lot like my grandfathers family, from my mothers side who`s origins are from there

MINARDOWICZ
10-31-2013, 05:47 AM
You know he was born in what is NOW considered Croatia... So might wanna take that into account... :cool:

He is a unique looking guy I must say... for any country.

Pjeter Pan
10-31-2013, 05:58 AM
What's kinda of last name is tesla for a Serb? seems very uncommon.
Some suggested that he's a vlach/Romanian.

Atlantic Islander
10-31-2013, 06:04 AM
Is it strange to have a mad crush on him? :p

Pontid+CM.

Sarmatian
10-31-2013, 06:13 AM
I find that he has some Alpine elements. That is what many of you can't even get straight.

Pure Dinarids sometimes have similarities with Alpine features like triangular and a bit rounded face shape.

kvarc
10-31-2013, 02:46 PM
You know he was born in what is NOW considered Croatia... So might wanna take that into account... :cool:

He is a unique looking guy I must say... for any country.

he as born in Like, it was populated with 90% Serbs before the Croat genocide on Serbs of WWII ( they killed about 600 000 Serbs ), Tesla village for instance was almost complitly butchered, killing most of Tesla realtives.......and Serbs still were a mojority there until the 1995 when Croats ethnically cleansed them....so there`s nothing to take in an acount about tha

kvarc
10-31-2013, 02:47 PM
What's kinda of last name is tesla for a Serb? seems very uncommon.
Some suggested that he's a vlach/Romanian.

"Tesla" is a name of a tool in Serbian

Twistedmind
10-31-2013, 03:12 PM
You know he was born in what is NOW considered Croatia... So might wanna take that into account... :cool:

25% of population of what is now Croatia, back then were Serbs. His father was Serbian Orthodox priest.



He is a unique looking guy I must say... for any country.
He is typical for place where he is born.

Сербо Макеридов
09-20-2017, 03:20 PM
Dinarid with Pontid influence.

Odin
09-20-2017, 10:01 PM
Dinaro-Med + Pontid.

Decius
03-03-2018, 06:03 PM
The fact of look Gypsy does not mean be it. It´s possible that the reason of my thinking is the photo, which are old and dark.
Obviusly Tesla was a genius, and what Gypsies have we seen that he has been a genius? :rolleyes:

Are you fucking blind? he is the farthest thing away from a gypsy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Tesla_young_adjusted.JPG

SuperDorian
03-03-2018, 06:12 PM
Are you fucking blind? he is the farthest thing away from a gypsy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Tesla_young_adjusted.JPG

Dinarid with Med influence

kessaras
02-14-2019, 11:49 PM
Very Dinarid

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Streuner
02-27-2019, 06:41 AM
DInarid

Dna8
02-27-2019, 06:52 AM
Dinaric Med.

Corded
04-26-2019, 03:09 PM
Pred. dinarid, maybe minor pontid/nordo-med admixture

TheMaestro
04-26-2019, 03:11 PM
Nikola Tesla.

afteryou
04-26-2019, 03:42 PM
Dinarid.

Veslan
04-26-2019, 05:49 PM
Noric/Dinaric

UltimatePagan
07-26-2019, 11:52 AM
Nikola Tesla

Viridian1
07-26-2019, 12:47 PM
Alpine and Dinarid
Oh, I was supposed to type Nikola Tesla so here I go ... Nikola Tesla