New Swiss G25 averages

[J. Ketch]

Swiss French

[1] "distance%=2.8797"

Swiss_French

Barcin_N,52.2
Yamnaya_Samara,37.2
WHG,10.6

Neighbouring countries model:

[1] "distance%=1.1815"

Swiss_French

French,73.6
Italian_Bergamo,15.4
Italian_Tuscan,11



[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Swiss_French1 French
0.0000000 0.1818348
Spanish_Penedes Spanish_Girona
0.1828836 0.1963710
Swiss_German Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.2063327 0.2123718
Spanish_Mallorca Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.2189584 0.2227836
Spanish_Lleida Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.2261826 0.2286640
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL French_East
0.2379391 0.2458250
Spanish_Barcelones Spanish_Baleares
0.2517558 0.2563287
Spanish_Cataluna Spanish_Castello
0.2799288 0.2807204
Bell_Beaker_CHE Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.2844153 0.2850002
Spanish_Eivissa Spanish_Pirineu
0.2889722 0.2894500
Levant_LBN_MA_Euro Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.2909683 0.2910415
Belgian Spanish_Valencia
0.2941063 0.2998238
ITA_Collegno_MA Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.3077124 0.3093215
Spanish_Alacant Spanish_Aragon
0.3110505 0.3123809
HUN_MA_Szolad Spanish_Cantabria
0.3123952 0.3162368
Spanish_Menorca DEU_Roman
0.3187870 0.3207226
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.3276803 0.3361241
Spanish_Andalucia French_South
0.3418568 0.3452082
Italian_Bergamo Spanish_Murcia
0.3478674 0.3602826
Portuguese Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.3665404 0.3687041
HRV_MBA Scythian_HUN
0.3751534 0.3764073
Spanish_Galicia Spanish_Extremadura
0.3773141 0.3837156
Swiss_Italian Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.3980574 0.4002671
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.4067944 0.4155546
Spanish_Pais_Vasco Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.4323980 0.4343948
Iberia_North_IA Austrian
0.4366808 0.4395787
Romanian German
0.4466824 0.4486502
Montenegrin TZA_Zanzibar_First_Millenium
0.4502238 0.4542371
HUN_MA Basque_French
0.4599649 0.4611782
Iberia_Northeast_RomP Iberia_East_IA
0.4634712 0.4800017
Bell_Beaker_CZE Basque_Spanish
0.4804175 0.4871205
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany HRV_Early_IA
0.4892229 0.4910650
Serbian DEU_MA_ACD
0.4950142 0.4980261
French_Brittany English_Cornwall
0.4998532 0.5007025
Bulgarian HRV_Starcevo_N_o
0.5035083 0.5118949
Moldavian English
0.5141862 0.5143130
Italian_Tuscan Macedonian
0.5174135 0.5180056
England_IA UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
0.5389713 0.5415553
HUN_LBA Dutch
0.5416980 0.5506373
SVK_Poprad_MA Croatian
0.5547474 0.5562751
Scottish Hungarian
0.5565352 0.5585684
Bosnian England_Roman
0.5597859 0.5615609
HUN_BA Welsh
0.5633273 0.5638322
Bell_Beaker_POL Scythian_MDA
0.5649367 0.5667703
Gagauz Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.5671021 0.5673987
Orcadian Iberia_Northwest_CA_Stp
0.5676080 0.5695827
BGR_Varna_En3 Irish
0.5700472 0.5750167
DEU_Alberstedt_LN Slovenian
0.5750798 0.5778337
Shetlandic Albanian
0.5919682 0.6014782
Iberia_North_BA DEU_MA
0.6076091 0.6092119

Swiss German

[1] "distance%=3.4033"

Swiss_German

Barcin_N,47.8
Yamnaya_Samara,41.2
WHG,11

Neighbouring Countries model:

[1] "distance%=0.888"

Swiss_German

French,60
German,15.2
French_East,14.4
Italian_Bergamo,6
Italian_Tuscan,2.8
Austrian,1.6



[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Swiss_German1 French
0.0000000 0.1119578
French_East Belgian
0.1315493 0.1414769
ITA_Collegno_MA HUN_MA_Szolad
0.1479082 0.1634654
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL Levant_LBN_MA_Euro
0.1773094 0.2055580
Swiss_French Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.2063327 0.2810113
German Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.2861469 0.2961420
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA Austrian
0.3046460 0.3066378
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1 Spanish_Penedes
0.3067290 0.3207774
Bell_Beaker_FRA_C Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.3222658 0.3230043
Scythian_HUN Spanish_Barcelones
0.3315187 0.3398302
Spanish_Girona Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.3403346 0.3407036
English_Cornwall Spanish_Mallorca
0.3407481 0.3493584
English French_Brittany
0.3505637 0.3512826
Spanish_Catalunya_Central Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.3535759 0.3549925
Spanish_Lleida Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.3577225 0.3633022
Dutch Spanish_Cataluna
0.3828043 0.3926763
Scottish Spanish_Baleares
0.3928761 0.3938963
England_Roman CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.3967117 0.3975828
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre Orcadian
0.4002806 0.4024746
England_IA Spanish_Eivissa
0.4085760 0.4125666
Iberia_Central_CA_Stp Spanish_Pirineu
0.4134177 0.4135354
Spanish_Cantabria Spanish_Castello
0.4149946 0.4163436
Montenegrin Irish
0.4193081 0.4219183
Spanish_Valencia Welsh
0.4227641 0.4248116
DEU_Alberstedt_LN Hungarian
0.4260556 0.4262159
DEU_MA_ACD SVK_Poprad_MA
0.4270010 0.4280578
HUN_MA French_South
0.4281731 0.4284409
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale Bell_Beaker_POL
0.4295154 0.4305880
DEU_MA Spanish_Aragon
0.4319937 0.4320237
Romanian Spanish_Alacant
0.4336589 0.4337148
Shetlandic BGR_Varna_En3
0.4360708 0.4379344
Spanish_Menorca Croatian
0.4450085 0.4454084
DEU_Roman Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.4502252 0.4505009
Slovenian Serbian
0.4551383 0.4566661
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon German_East
0.4607231 0.4638526
Italian_Bergamo Spanish_Andalucia
0.4640068 0.4673697
Iberia_North_IA Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.4688029 0.4742438
Scotland_LBA Bosnian
0.4810972 0.4854597
Spanish_Pais_Vasco Spanish_Murcia
0.4876176 0.4897167
Portuguese HUN_LBA
0.4914106 0.4989979
Spanish_Galicia Spanish_Extremadura
0.5007396 0.5025767
Norwegian England_Saxon
0.5038206 0.5109398
USA_colonial_period Basque_French
0.5111217 0.5113315
Bulgarian Swiss_Italian
0.5119668 0.5119680
DEU_Halberstadt_LBA UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
0.5138450 0.5156070
Czech Icelandic
0.5173275 0.5198975
Macedonian England_MBA
0.5199861 0.5213640
HRV_MBA Scotland_MBA
0.5216918 0.5265484
Iberia_Northeast_RomP Moldavian
0.5311489 0.5349635
Swedish CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.5356352 0.5527355

Swiss Italian

[1] "distance%=2.1657"

Swiss_Italian

Barcin_N,57.2
Yamnaya_Samara,34.6
WHG,4.6
Armenia_EBA,3
Han,0.6

Neighbouring countries model:

[1] "distance%=1.0524"

Swiss_Italian

Italian_Tuscan,68.6
Italian_Bergamo,18.6
French,5.4
Austrian,4.2
German,2
French_East,1.2



[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Swiss_Italian1 Italian_Tuscan
0.0000000 0.1798324
Italian_Bergamo HRV_MBA
0.2173996 0.2916787
Greek Albanian
0.3018635 0.3045439
Scythian_MDA Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.3254756 0.3256349
Spanish_Mallorca HRV_Starcevo_N_o
0.3297258 0.3348532
Spanish_Eivissa Spanish_Baleares
0.3374597 0.3430984
Moldavian HRV_Early_IA
0.3466196 0.3523518
Spanish_Menorca Italian_Abruzzo
0.3590173 0.3746454
Gagauz Bulgarian
0.3747044 0.3751368
Spanish_Girona Spanish_Andalucia
0.3826682 0.3850113
Spanish_Penedes Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.3926419 0.3938893
Romanian Swiss_French
0.3940359 0.3980574
Spanish_Murcia Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.3983140 0.3994655
Spanish_Alacant Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.4027764 0.4046256
Levant_LBN_MA_Mixed Spanish_Extremadura
0.4082316 0.4116028
Spanish_Lleida Portuguese
0.4145840 0.4167276
HUN_BA Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.4208394 0.4215341
Macedonian Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.4229049 0.4244334
Spanish_Valencia Spanish_Castello
0.4304981 0.4417927
Sicilian_West Spanish_Galicia
0.4444277 0.4445728
Spanish_Cataluna Spanish_Pirineu
0.4493202 0.4493592
Spanish_Barcelones Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.4525218 0.4630106
Spanish_Aragon DEU_Roman
0.4652705 0.4722916
Montenegrin Italian_South
0.4744998 0.4768605
Serbian Spanish_Cantabria
0.4813868 0.4949727
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES Sicilian_East
0.5098003 0.5101064
French Swiss_German
0.5119303 0.5119680
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.5138486 0.5172233
French_East TZA_Zanzibar_First_Millenium
0.5372410 0.5577766
Scythian_HUN BGR_EBA
0.5585036 0.5616595
BGR_IA Maltese
0.5629075 0.5648425
HUN_MA Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE
0.5666506 0.5668352
DEU_MA_ACD ITA_Collegno_MA
0.5686703 0.5779167
HUN_MA_Szolad French_South
0.5791899 0.5828873
Belgian Levant_LBN_MA_Euro
0.6000182 0.6141657
Ashkenazi_Jew Spanish_Canarias
0.6186575 0.6224327
Bosnian Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.6278648 0.6314439
Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.6382698 0.6401150
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky Greek_Crete
0.6414725 0.6417701
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA Austrian
0.6504812 0.6532097
Bell_Beaker_ITA HUN_MA_Szolad_o1
0.6542107 0.6597994
Anatolia_IA_low_res Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.6679322 0.6717062
DEU_MA_o Iberia_East_IA
0.6782733 0.6784546
Iberia_Northeast_RomP Bell_Beaker_HUN
0.6794596 0.6959495
Croatian Iberia_North_IA
0.6979581 0.7006291
BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA Basque_French
0.7113690 0.7130633
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.7139077 0.7217207
Iberia_Central_CA_Stp Slovenian
0.7253318 0.7310631
German Hungarian
0.7321018 0.7337615
BGR_Varna_En3 Italian_Jew
0.7361112 0.7366412

[Leto]

Interesting. However there are hundreds of thousands of Italian, German and French immigrants in Switzerland.
Even back in 1980 (almost 40 years ago) there were 423,008 Italian citizens, 87,389 German citizens and 48,002 French citizens living in Switzerland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Switzerland#Demographics

[Vid Flumina]

Can you run this model for both Swiss Italian and Swiss French?

"sample": "Custom:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.6571,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 50,
"DEU_LBK_N": 27.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 22.5,
"ITA_Villabruna": 0,

[J. Ketch]

Can you run this model for both Swiss Italian and Swiss French?

"sample": "Custom:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.6571,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 50,
"DEU_LBK_N": 27.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 22.5,
"ITA_Villabruna": 0,
pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=2.1538"

Swiss_Italian

ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,52.6
Corded_Ware_POL,25.2
DEU_LBK_N,18.4
ITA_Villabruna,3.8

[1] "distance%=2.7547"

Swiss_French

Corded_Ware_POL,48
ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,29.4
DEU_LBK_N,19.2
ITA_Villabruna,3.4

pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.6039"

Swiss_Italian

ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,38.4
Corded_Ware_POL,37.4
DEU_LBK_N,24.2

[1] "distance%=2.2669"

Swiss_French

Corded_Ware_POL,56.6
DEU_LBK_N,33.2
ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,10.2

Don't know why they come out so differently.

[Vid Flumina]

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=2.1538"

Swiss_Italian

ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,52.6
Corded_Ware_POL,25.2
DEU_LBK_N,18.4
ITA_Villabruna,3.8

[1] "distance%=2.7547"

Swiss_French

Corded_Ware_POL,48
ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,29.4
DEU_LBK_N,19.2
ITA_Villabruna,3.4

pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.6039"

Swiss_Italian

ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,38.4
Corded_Ware_POL,37.4
DEU_LBK_N,24.2

[1] "distance%=2.2669"

Swiss_French

Corded_Ware_POL,56.6
DEU_LBK_N,33.2
ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,10.2

Don't know why they come out so differently.

They both seem off, especially with pen=0.001 (no idea what's going on with the inflated WHG); Swiss Italian looks more like Central Italian and Swiss French resembles North Italians.

For comparison, this is what I get with pen=0:

"sample": "Custom:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.2507,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 54.17,
"DEU_LBK_N": 39.17,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 6.67,
"ITA_Villabruna": 0,

[J. Ketch]

They both seem off, especially with pen=0.001 (no idea what's going on with the inflated WHG); Swiss Italian looks more like Central Italian and Swiss French resembles North Italians.

For comparison, this is what I get with pen=0:

"sample": "Custom:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.2507,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 54.17,
"DEU_LBK_N": 39.17,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 6.67,
"ITA_Villabruna": 0,
The Swiss Italian average comes from only 3 samples, and French and German come from 8 each, so they may not be very representative.

[Aren]

There seems to be a significant difference between the three Swiss groups, especially between the Italian and the other two.

"distance%=2.8554"

Swiss_German

Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,63.8
HUN_Baden_LCA,36.2

"distance%=2.4389"

Swiss_French

Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,56.4
HUN_Baden_LCA,39.6
Anatolia_Isparta_EBA,4

"distance%=2.2592"

Swiss_Italian

Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,42.6
Anatolia_Isparta_EBA,29
HUN_Baden_LCA,28.4

The Swiss Italians are unsurprisingly much closer to Northern Italians

"distance%=2.5943"

Italian_Bergamo

Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,41.6
HUN_Baden_LCA,40.8
Anatolia_Isparta_EBA,17.6

[Dick]

They both seem off, especially with pen=0.001 (no idea what's going on with the inflated WHG); Swiss Italian looks more like Central Italian and Swiss French resembles North Italians.

For comparison, this is what I get with pen=0:

"sample": "Custom:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.2507,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 54.17,
"DEU_LBK_N": 39.17,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 6.67,
"ITA_Villabruna": 0,

What are these samples supposed to stand for? Here's mine


"fit": 3.4179,
"Corded_Ware_POL": 55.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 26.67,
"DEU_LBK_N": 17.5,
"ITA_Villabruna": 0,


https://i.imgur.com/k8uq8rf.png

[XenophobicPrussian]

Glad they're finally starting to add more modern pops that are on K36 to G25, hopefully we get more soon.

Some more models:


"sample": "Swiss_French:Average",
"fit": 0.9919,
"French_South": 25.83,
"Norwegian": 25.83,
"Basque_French": 24.17,
"Italian_South": 24.17,
(keep in mind French_South will also itself already have Norwegian-like and Italian_South-like admixture, Basques as a stand in for native Gauls/Alpines not so much)


"sample": "Swiss_German:Average",
"fit": 1.1252,
"Norwegian": 47.5,
"French_South": 20.83,
"Italian_South": 19.17,
"Basque_French": 12.5,


"sample": "Swiss_Italian:Average",
"fit": 1.2679,
"Italian_South": 59.17,
"French_South": 19.17,
"Norwegian": 12.5,
"Basque_French": 9.17,

------------


"sample": "Swiss_French:Average",
"fit": 1.8336,
"Bell_Beaker_CHE": 30.83,
"CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany": 27.5,
"DEU_MA": 22.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 19.17,
"closestDistances": [
"CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany: DA111: 4.605196",


"sample": "Swiss_German:Average",
"fit": 1.2175,
"DEU_MA": 41.67,
"CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany": 24.17,
"Bell_Beaker_CHE": 21.67,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 12.5,
"closestDistances": [
"CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany: DA111: 3.939014",




"sample": "Swiss_Italian:Average",
"fit": 1.5278,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 45,
"Bell_Beaker_CHE": 24.17,
"CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany": 19.17,
"DEU_MA": 11.67,

When you add Austrian LBK culture the Collegno_MA_o1 lowers substantially to 5-6% for Swiss Germans/French, but removing either Beaker_CHE(Switzerland) or Hallstatt inflates Germanic, and don't have enough time to do a 5-6 way model atm on R.

People shouldn't be surprised Swiss Italians are very different, the cases where language has little correlation with genetics like Turks, Hungarians or Finns are a minority.

[Coastal Elite]

I wonder if anyone here has the guts to plot closer to Swiss German than I do.

Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled
Swiss_German: Fit 1.9214
Swiss_French: Fit 3.1329
Swiss_Italian: Fit 4.8306

Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled
Fit: 1.8835
Swiss French 0
Swiss German 95
Swiss Italian 5

[Coastal Elite]

Bump. I’d like to see if others here plot close the Swiss, esp Swiss-German. Please post your results.

[Coastal Elite]

I wonder if anyone here has the guts to plot closer to Swiss German than I do.

Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled
Swiss_German: Fit 1.9214
Swiss_French: Fit 3.1329
Swiss_Italian: Fit 4.8306

Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled
Fit: 1.8835
Swiss French 0
Swiss German 95
Swiss Italian 5

Yup, just what I thought, no one had the guts

[Luke35]

Yup, just what I thought, no one had the guts

I've got the guts, but I don't got the goods..

"Swiss_German_Averaged:Averaged: 3.101877",
"Swiss_French_Averaged:Averaged: 4.523357",
"Swiss_Italian_Averaged:Averaged: 6.461941"

[Coastal Elite]

I've got the guts, but I don't got the goods..

"Swiss_German_Averaged:Averaged: 3.101877",
"Swiss_French_Averaged:Averaged: 4.523357",
"Swiss_Italian_Averaged:Averaged: 6.461941"

I think you did plot near Swiss German on a PCA or a TSNE plot if remember correctly. I'm sure if there were more German or Swiss-German members they would blow me out of the water but Swiss-German is usually a good fit for me. I'm guessing Austria is your closest population?

[Luke35]

I think you did plot near Swiss German on a PCA or a TSNE plot if remember correctly. I'm sure if there were more German or Swiss-German members they would blow me out of the water but Swiss-German is usually a good fit for me. I'm guessing Austria is your closest population?

Yaaah, Austria. :)

We have like 3 or 4 plots/TSNE's floating around here now haha. I think me, you, Aye, and oszcar are always floating somewhere between West and East Europe, you the most southern of us, and oszcar the most northern.

[Coastal Elite]

Yaaah, Austria. :)

We have like 3 or 4 plots/TSNE's floating around here now haha. I think me, you, Aye, and oszcar are always floating somewhere between West and East Europe, you the most southern of us, and oszcar the most northern.

I think I'm the most southern and western shifted out of that group. You guys are usually in my area but a bit northeast. I lack the heavy Slavic admixture.

[Luke35]

I think I'm the most southern and western shifted out of that group. You guys are usually in my area but a bit northeast. I lack the heavy Slavic admixture.

And we lack the Med.

[Coastal Elite]

And we lack the Med.

I think a similar thing applies to Swiss-German vs Austrian or Hungarian. Swiss-Germans have a bit more med influence and Austrians are a bit more Slavic.