23andMe results came in today (Berber/Moroccan).

[Adamm]

https://i.imgur.com/yRDqJF4.png

https://i.imgur.com/oAYIOz8.png

BETA result:

https://i.imgur.com/puG4lGr.png

Paternal haplogroup: E-M183
Maternal haplogroup: K1a4a1


Before this I didn't knew my haplogroups of course only by calculators, I used morley to calculate my haplogroup (paternal) which was pretty spot on I suppose. My maternal calculated haplogroup wasn't spot on and it didn't turned out to be H2a2a1, so I'm gonna change that in my profile.

[Sp_loa]

I have only one word for now-
BETA

Opt to the beta. 23andme pre-beta algorithm was bad for North Africans.

[Adamm]

I have only one word for now-
BETA

Opt to the beta. 23andme pre-beta algorithm was bad for North Africans.

How long will it take to get those results?

[Sp_loa]

How long will it take to get those results?

You need to actively go to the settings.
Go to the beta section and click “become a tester”.
The results should change immediately/within few minutes.

Post your updated results here.

[Adamm]

You need to actively go to the settings.
Go to the beta section and click “become a tester”.
The results should change immediately/within few minutes.

Post your updated results here.


https://i.imgur.com/puG4lGr.png

It changed very much.

[Sp_loa]

(It is showing your name. Edit the photo)

Yeah the BETA results changed significantly for everyone.
I do think you have that ~3% levantine/Arabian blood I saw you are a bit NE shifted in the PCA.

Overall interesting results. Congratulations!

[Grace O'Malley]

Your Beta results look really accurate.

[Lemgrant]

https://i.imgur.com/puG4lGr.png

It changed very much.

huge difference

[Adamm]

huge difference

Yeah, even according to calculators (Eurogenes) and according to ALL other companies I would at least have more European and Sub Saharan....

[Leto]

Yeah, even according to calculators (Eurogenes) and according to ALL other companies I would at least have more European and Sub Saharan....
Any significant difference between the two raw data sources? Let's compare them, I think it's interesting.

[Lemgrant]

Yeah, even according to calculators (Eurogenes) and according to ALL other companies I would at least have more European and Sub Saharan....

let's post them for comparison


Hello all

I did a DNA test with MyHeritage and got the results and after that I uploaded the raw DNA on FTDNA, the results are not exactly the same so I would like to know which one is more correct and how should I understand these results? Thanks in advance!

https://i.imgur.com/fGVhuNx.png

https://i.imgur.com/d3dFWai.png

[Adamm]

Any significant difference between the two raw data sources? Let's compare them, I think it's interesting.

I'm going to upload it right now on GEDmatch and other companies to see the differences.

[Leto]

Hi, my results from Algeria



https://i.imgur.com/GDW2IWw.jpg

These are a former Algerian member's results

Kit T215294

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.11
2 Red_Sea 20.85
3 West_Med 18.31
4 Sub-Saharan 12.76
5 North_Atlantic 9.59
6 Northeast_African 9.26
7 Oceanian 0.06
8 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 6.8
2 Tunisian 7.11
3 Mozabite_Berber 7.73
4 Moroccan 9.34
5 Egyptian 16.15
6 Bedouin 21.24
7 Libyan_Jewish 21.44
8 Tunisian_Jewish 22.47
9 Algerian_Jewish 22.91
10 Sephardic_Jewish 24.45
11 Jordanian 24.89
12 Italian_Jewish 25.22
13 Palestinian 25.35
14 Ashkenazi 26.01
15 East_Sicilian 26.53
16 Syrian 26.65
17 West_Sicilian 27.03
18 South_Italian 27.54
19 Saudi 28.33
20 Samaritan 28.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82% Mozabite_Berber + 18% Saudi @ 4.73
2 83.9% Mozabite_Berber + 16.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.25
3 87% Algerian + 13% Saudi @ 5.38
4 89.6% Algerian + 10.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.88
5 75.5% Mozabite_Berber + 24.5% Egyptian @ 6.01
6 84.3% Algerian + 15.7% Egyptian @ 6.21
7 81.6% Mozabite_Berber + 18.4% Bedouin @ 6.22
8 89% Tunisian + 11% Saudi @ 6.22
9 88.6% Algerian + 11.4% Bedouin @ 6.28
10 97.6% Algerian + 2.4% Yoruban @ 6.31
11 97.4% Algerian + 2.6% Mandenka @ 6.33
12 97.5% Algerian + 2.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.39
13 97.5% Algerian + 2.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.41
14 97.5% Algerian + 2.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.46
15 97.5% Algerian + 2.5% Luhya @ 6.49
16 97.5% Algerian + 2.5% Bantu_N.E. @ 6.49
17 97.8% Algerian + 2.2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 6.58
18 94.7% Tunisian + 5.3% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.63
19 98.1% Algerian + 1.9% San @ 6.66
20 94.6% Algerian + 5.4% Palestinian @ 6.66

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian +50% Algerian @ 7.147377


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mozabite_Berber +25% Mozabite_Berber +25% Saudi @ 5.228029


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++
1 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi @ 5.228029
2 Algerian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi @ 5.526881
3 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi @ 5.876644
4 Algerian + Algerian + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi @ 5.911370
5 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi + Tunisian @ 5.921670
6 Algerian + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi @ 6.155715
7 Algerian + Egyptian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 6.251606
8 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.266946
9 Egyptian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 6.277434
10 Algerian + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi + Tunisian @ 6.310810
11 Algerian + Algerian + Egyptian + Mozabite_Berber @ 6.328769
12 Algerian + Algerian + Algerian + Saudi @ 6.367894
13 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Saudi + Tunisian @ 6.453111
14 Algerian + Algerian + Algerian + Egyptian @ 6.494720
15 Algerian + Egyptian + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber @ 6.507010
16 Algerian + Algerian + Moroccan + Saudi @ 6.513823
17 Egyptian + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 6.520866
18 Egyptian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 6.530285
19 Algerian + Algerian + Egyptian + Moroccan @ 6.592043
20 Algerian + Egyptian + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 6.627682

And this is a Northern Moroccan

FTDNA : 92% North Africa / 4% S-E Europe / 2% Iberia / <2% British Isles
MYHERITAGE : 85% North Africa / 15% Iberia
DNA.LAND : 78% North Africa / 3% East Africa / 17% Southwestern Europe (4% Sardinian)/ 2% Egyptian&Arab

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 26.38
2 East_Med 24.41
3 Red_Sea 17.32
4 Northeast_African 11.54
5 North_Atlantic 11.2
6 Sub-Saharan 9.01
7 Amerindian 0.14


# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 2.29
2 Mozabite_Berber 4.94
3 Algerian 5.53
4 Tunisian 7.82
5 Egyptian 21.25
6 Libyan_Jewish 21.54
7 Algerian_Jewish 21.58
8 Tunisian_Jewish 22.86
9 Sephardic_Jewish 23.91
10 West_Sicilian 24.02
11 Italian_Jewish 24.12
12 East_Sicilian 24.3
13 Ashkenazi 25.18
14 South_Italian 25.2
15 Bedouin 25.63
16 Central_Greek 26.7
17 Tuscan 27.13
18 Italian_Abruzzo 27.29
19 Jordanian 28.09
20 Greek_Thessaly 28.37


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96% Moroccan + 4% French_Basque @ 1.18
2 95.4% Moroccan + 4.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.4
3 95.4% Moroccan + 4.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.44
4 95.7% Moroccan + 4.3% Southwest_French @ 1.45
5 95.2% Moroccan + 4.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.46
6 95.1% Moroccan + 4.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.48
7 95% Moroccan + 5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.51
8 95.4% Moroccan + 4.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.54
9 95.4% Moroccan + 4.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.54
10 95.2% Moroccan + 4.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.55
11 95.3% Moroccan + 4.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.55
12 95.7% Moroccan + 4.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.58
13 95.3% Moroccan + 4.7% Portuguese @ 1.59
14 95.4% Moroccan + 4.6% Sardinian @ 1.66
15 96.5% Moroccan + 3.5% French @ 1.75
16 97.2% Moroccan + 2.8% Southwest_English @ 1.76
17 95.5% Moroccan + 4.5% North_Italian @ 1.8
18 97.4% Moroccan + 2.6% West_Scottish @ 1.8
19 97.3% Moroccan + 2.7% Southeast_English @ 1.81
20 97.4% Moroccan + 2.6% Irish @ 1.81


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moroccan +50% Moroccan @ 2.539215


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moroccan +25% Moroccan +25% Moroccan @ 2.539215


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Moroccan + Moroccan + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 2.539215
2 Moroccan + Moroccan + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.631656
3 Algerian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 2.967054
4 Moroccan + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 3.156809
5 Algerian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber @ 3.419381
6 Moroccan + Moroccan + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 3.573104
7 Algerian + Algerian + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 3.837151
8 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 3.941684
9 Moroccan + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 4.053974
10 Algerian + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.137669
11 Algerian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 4.445480
12 Algerian + Algerian + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.473094
13 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 4.753181
14 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.863600
15 Algerian + Algerian + Algerian + Moroccan @ 4.903563
16 Algerian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.009465
17 Algerian + Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 5.077108
18 Moroccan + Moroccan + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 5.128040
19 Algerian + Algerian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.276334
20 Algerian + Algerian + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 5.498822

[Adamm]

All my results to compare:

MyHeritage:

https://i.imgur.com/BdFFJme.png

FTDNA:

https://i.imgur.com/RDHlcCa.png

DNA Land:

https://i.imgur.com/LYIctDR.png

My sequencing.com:

https://i.imgur.com/dYuNO9N.png

[Zoro]

Your Beta results look really accurate.

They may be accurate but is this really what everyone pays for a test to know. I mean suppose they are able to get enough references for every ethnicity in the world to make every tester 100% their own ethnicity. Would this make everyone happy?

Or would most people like to know where their ancestors came from a few hundred or thousand years ago such as Adamm’s non Beta test results which also look reasonable for his ethnicity?

What do you guys think?

[Leto]

I've not seen your K13 before, only K15.

[Lemgrant]

and your G25 oracle: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285409-Mixed-mode-oracle-algorithm-from-Gedmatch-applied-to-G25-Datasheet&p=6070928&viewfull=1#post6070928


Normal mode:

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "0.0547"
[2,] "Moroccan_North" "0.0551"
[3,] "Canary_Islands_Guanche" "0.0665"
[4,] "Berber_Tunisia_Sen" "0.0687"
[5,] "Tunisian" "0.0764"
[6,] "MAR_LN" "0.0772"
[7,] "Libyan" "0.0869"
[8,] "Mozabite" "0.0887"
[9,] "Iberia_Central_CA_Afr" "0.0892"
[10,] "Algerian" "0.0936"
[11,] "Egyptian" "0.097"
[12,] "Libyan_Jew" "0.0985"
[13,] "Tunisian_Jew" "0.0992"
[14,] "Moroccan_Jew" "0.0997"
[15,] "EGY_Late_Period" "0.1018"
[16,] "BedouinA" "0.1048"
[17,] "England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o" "0.1087"
[18,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE" "0.1089"
[19,] "Moroccan" "0.1095"
[20,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE" "0.1115"
[21,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE" "0.112"
[22,] "Palestinian" "0.1125"
[23,] "EGY_Hellenistic" "0.1133"
[24,] "Berber_MAR_ERR" "0.1168"
[25,] "Saharawi" "0.1208"
[26,] "Sephardic_Jew" "0.1215"
[27,] "Italian_Jew" "0.1221"
[28,] "Romaniote_Jew" "0.1236"
[29,] "Maltese" "0.1236"
[30,] "Spanish_Canarias" "0.1256"
[31,] "Yemenite_Dhamar" "0.1258"
[32,] "Yemenite_Amran" "0.1263"
[33,] "Syrian_Jew" "0.1267"
[34,] "Levant_PPNC" "0.1276"
[35,] "Ashkenazi_Jew" "0.1289"
[36,] "Berber_MAR_TIZ" "0.1294"
[37,] "Levant_PPNB" "0.1305"
[38,] "Yemenite_Al_Bayda" "0.1312"
[39,] "Levant_LBN_Med_Mixed" "0.1325"
[40,] "Syrian" "0.1328"
[41,] "Lebanese_Muslim" "0.1329"
[42,] "Samaritan" "0.1332"
[43,] "Sicilian_West" "0.1337"
[44,] "Yemenite_Ma'rib" "0.1344"
[45,] "Levant_JOR_EBA" "0.1347"
[46,] "Levant_LBN_Med_NE" "0.1353"
[47,] "Levant_Canaanite_MBA" "0.1359"
[48,] "Lebanese_Christian" "0.1362"
[49,] "Levant_Natufian" "0.137"
[50,] "Levant_LBN_Roman" "0.1372"
[51,] "BedouinB" "0.1381"
[52,] "Levant_ISR_C" "0.1382"
[53,] "Lebanese_Druze" "0.1387"
[54,] "Sicilian_East" "0.1388"
[55,] "Yemenite_Al_Jawf" "0.1391"
[56,] "Yemenite_Jew" "0.1394"
[57,] "Cypriot" "0.14"
[58,] "Druze" "0.14"
[59,] "ITA_Collegno_Med_o1" "0.1439"
[60,] "Italian_South" "0.1442"


Mixed mode:

[1,] "67.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 32.2% Moroccan_Jew" "0.0312"
[2,] "65.8% BGR_IA + 34.2% MAR_Iberomaurusian" "0.0314"
[3,] "72.5% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 27.5% Italian_Jew" "0.0315"
[4,] "78.4% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.6% BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA" "0.0317"
[5,] "26.2% Ashkenazi_Jew + 73.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "0.032"
[6,] "76.5% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 23.5% Greek_Crete" "0.0323"
[7,] "74.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 25.3% Sicilian_West" "0.0325"
[8,] "78.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.7% BGR_IA" "0.0326"
[9,] "76.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 23.3% Italian_Abruzzo" "0.0326"
[10,] "78.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.7% BGR_EBA" "0.0326"
[11,] "73.1% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 26.9% Romaniote_Jew" "0.0328"
[12,] "64.8% BGR_IA + 35.2% MAR_EN" "0.0328"
[13,] "80% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20% UKR_Trypillia_En" "0.0329"
[14,] "73.2% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 26.8% Maltese" "0.033"
[15,] "72.9% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 27.1% Sephardic_Jew" "0.0331"
[16,] "76.4% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 23.6% Italian_South" "0.0332"
[17,] "68.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 31.7% Tunisian_Jew" "0.0334"
[18,] "68.2% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 31.8% Libyan_Jew" "0.0334"
[19,] "75.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 24.3% Sicilian_East" "0.0335"
[20,] "78.4% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.6% DEU_Medieval_o" "0.0336"
[21,] "78.2% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.8% Italian_Tuscan" "0.0337"
[22,] "76.5% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 23.5% ITA_Collegno_Med_o1" "0.0338"
[23,] "71.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 28.7% Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE" "0.0338"
[24,] "78.6% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.4% HUN_BA" "0.0339"
[25,] "80% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20% UKR_Trypillia" "0.0339"
[26,] "20.3% Bell_Beaker_HUN + 79.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "0.034"
[27,] "76% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 24% Cypriot" "0.034"
[28,] "78.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.3% Greek" "0.0341"
[29,] "71.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 28.7% Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE" "0.0342"
[30,] "20.3% Bell_Beaker_ITA + 79.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "0.0344"
[31,] "74.1% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 25.9% Syrian_Jew" "0.0344"
[32,] "71.3% Italian_Jew + 28.7% MAR_EN" "0.0345"
[33,] "70.9% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 29.1% Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE" "0.0346"
[34,] "79.5% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.5% Italian_Bergamo" "0.0347"
[35,] "20.5% Albanian + 79.5% Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "0.0347"
[36,] "72.2% Italian_Jew + 27.8% MAR_Iberomaurusian" "0.0348"
[37,] "78.4% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.6% Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE" "0.0349"
[38,] "79.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.2% BGR_MP_N" "0.035"
[39,] "80.5% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 19.5% Bulgarian" "0.035"
[40,] "75.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 24.7% Levant_LBN_Med_Mixed" "0.035"
[41,] "79.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.2% BGR_Varna_En2" "0.035"
[42,] "80.6% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 19.4% HRV_Early_IA" "0.0352"
[43,] "78.2% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.8% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0352"
[44,] "75.4% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 24.6% Samaritan" "0.0352"
[45,] "79.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.2% BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N" "0.0352"
[46,] "78.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.7% BGR_Krepost_N" "0.0354"
[47,] "78.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.7% Spanish_Murcia" "0.0354"
[48,] "80% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20% Scythian_MDA" "0.0354"
[49,] "80.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 19.7% HRV_MBA" "0.0355"
[50,] "81.6% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 18.4% HUN_Med" "0.0355"
[51,] "79.2% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "0.0356"
[52,] "76% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 24% Lebanese_Christian" "0.0356"
[53,] "66.9% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 33.1% MAR_Iberomaurusian" "0.0356"
[54,] "77.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 22.2% GRC_Mycenaean" "0.0357"
[55,] "79.3% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.7% HRV_Starcevo_N_o" "0.0357"
[56,] "81% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 19% Macedonian" "0.0357"
[57,] "79.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.3% BGR_Middle_C" "0.0357"
[58,] "79.8% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20.2% ROU_C" "0.0358"
[59,] "78.7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 21.3% Spanish_Andalucia" "0.0358"
[60,] "80% Berber_Tunisia_Chen + 20% Spanish_Valencia" "0.0358"

[Adamm]

I've not seen your K13 before, only K15.

I've uploaded this new 23andme kit on GEDmatch and this are the K13 results:

https://i.imgur.com/RXLaA5Y.png

And this is K36:

https://i.imgur.com/WtmUjyB.png

[Leto]

I've uploaded this new 23andme kit on GEDmatch and this are the K13 results:

Add the new K15 and the old K13 to compare please.

[Adamm]

Add the new K15 and the old K13 to compare please.


New K15:

https://i.imgur.com/iljTp6s.png

Old K13:

https://i.imgur.com/gTpZn2D.png

[Lemgrant]

Yeah, even according to calculators (Eurogenes) and according to ALL other companies I would at least have more European and Sub Saharan....

I only now noticed that in your G25 oracle, your distance from the average Berber/Moroccan is pretty big. You are not just another average Berber/Moroccan. In k15 pca you are shifted towards North African/Sephardi Jews.

[1,] "Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "5.47"
[2,] "Moroccan_North" "5.51"
(they need to be multiplied by 100)

[Adamm]

I only now noticed that in your G25 oracle, your distance from the average Berber/Moroccan is pretty big. You are not just another average Berber/Moroccan. In k15 pca you are shifted towards North African/Sephardi Jews.

[1,] "Berber_Tunisia_Chen" "5.47"
[2,] "Moroccan_North" "5.51"
(they need to be multiplied by 100)


I think you made this one:

https://i.imgur.com/Q0I4Dww.png

[nittionia]

Nice (: my beta results were also worlds more accurate

[Kamal900]

The beta results are much more accurate, lol.

[Sp_loa]

I think you made this one:

https://i.imgur.com/Q0I4Dww.png

You are shifted towards the Middle East not Iberia or Italy.

Overwhelmingly Berber+Levant/Arab/Jew is way more reasonable than 80% Berber 20% Iberia which doesn’t make any sense if you look at the plot.

[Sp_loa]

To see if the Sephardi ftdna gave you is true check your 23andme matches and see if you match Jews (you can identity by surname, some level of Ashkenazi (Moroccan jews get around 5% of it)

[MS85]

Looks like there is no difference between Berbers or Arabs in the north of Africa. Both are clearly Semitic populations and both are almost the same.

[Adamm]

To see if the Sephardi ftdna gave you is true check your 23andme matches and see if you match Jews (you can identity by surname, some level of Ashkenazi (Moroccan jews get around 5% of it)

What names should I search for?

[Cumansky]

They may be accurate but is this really what everyone pays for a test to know. I mean suppose they are able to get enough references for every ethnicity in the world to make every tester 100% their own ethnicity. Would this make everyone happy?

Or would most people like to know where their ancestors came from a few hundred or thousand years ago such as Adamm’s non Beta test results which also look reasonable for his ethnicity?

What do you guys think?

The second option is better obviously

[Adamm]

Looks like there is no difference between Berbers or Arabs in the north of Africa. Both are clearly Semitic populations and both are almost the same.

No difference in what way? Berbers should have more Sub Saharan DNA and the Beta tells me 0% Sub Saharan, I find thid very odd. I believe that Mysequence DNA results are the most accurate as they line up with the GEDmatch calculators.

[Lemgrant]

No difference in what way? Berbers should have more Sub Saharan DNA and the Beta tells me 0% Sub Saharan, I find thid very odd. I believe that Mysequence DNA results are the most accurate as they line up with the GEDmatch calculators.

yep as we can see here:

https://i.imgur.com/ZNUG99O.jpg

https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=humbiol_preprints

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264390976_No_Evidence_from_Genome-Wide_Data_of_a_Khazar_Origin_for_the_Ashkenazi_Jew s

https://i.imgur.com/VlNnvjF.png
https://i.imgur.com/WMhMoEg.png
https://i.imgur.com/1JHMNUA.png

[Cumansky]

You have less Iberian and Southwest Europe as me in most test, almost exact same tho. But in my result they don't show that in the major company only the third party company they reveal Iberian.

When I look tho in matches I see my relative from Morocco and they score close 100% North African as you but sometimes different little bit.

[Adamm]

You have less Iberian and Southwest Europe as me in most test, almost exact same tho. But in my result they don't show that in the major company only the third party company they reveal Iberian.

When I look tho in matches I see my relative from Morocco and they score close 100% North African as you but sometimes different little bit.


Show me your results, and where are you from?

[Adamm]

yep as we can see here:

https://i.imgur.com/ZNUG99O.jpg

https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=humbiol_preprints

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264390976_No_Evidence_from_Genome-Wide_Data_of_a_Khazar_Origin_for_the_Ashkenazi_Jew s

https://i.imgur.com/VlNnvjF.png
https://i.imgur.com/WMhMoEg.png
https://i.imgur.com/1JHMNUA.png


Yes, so this new beta tests eliminates both European and Sub Saharan admixture for N. Africans, how accurate is it?

[MS85]

No difference in what way? Berbers should have more Sub Saharan DNA and the Beta tells me 0% Sub Saharan, I find thid very odd. I believe that Mysequence DNA results are the most accurate as they line up with the GEDmatch calculators.I mean Arabs from northern Africa. Berbers and Arabs cluster very close together. That means that both races heavily mixed with each other and became 1 unique race. They are all the same people. Arabs from northern Africa are different from the Arabs in the Middle East.

[Dick]

Show me your results, and where are you from?

He’s from the Canary Islands

[Adamm]

I mean Arabs from northern Africa. Berbers and Arabs cluster very close together. That means that both races heavily mixed with each other and became 1 unique race. They are all the same people. Arabs from northern Africa are different from the Arabs in the Middle East.

"Berbers and Arabs cluster very close together. That means that both races heavily mixed with each other and became 1 unique race."

Can you show me evidence for this?

[Ayetooey]

No difference in what way? Berbers should have more Sub Saharan DNA and the Beta tells me 0% Sub Saharan, I find thid very odd. I believe that Mysequence DNA results are the most accurate as they line up with the GEDmatch calculators.

Your SSA is built into the North African reference population on 23andme. Since they're comparing your dna to a tested reference pop which naturally has SSA. This is why gedmatch works better at breaking down such components.

[MS85]

"Berbers and Arabs cluster very close together. That means that both races heavily mixed with each other and became 1 unique race."

Can you show me evidence for this?What do you mean? It is from your own graph. As you can see Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans cluster together and cluster also with the Berbers. While they are not even very near to the Arabs in the Levant and Arabia.

I heard once from an Arab from northern Africa that there is no much difference between Arabs and Berbers. I didn't believe him, but after seeing the results, he was right after all. North African Arabs and Berbers are the same people.


https://i.postimg.cc/FsDdGsmp/arabs.png

[Cumansky]

Show me your results, and where are you from?

Ukraine

Dnaland 11.2% Southwest European 1.2% Mediterranean Islander
Sequencing.com 8.44% Iberian 4.51% Italian
DNATribes 13.5% Iberian 2.2% Sephardic Jewish 1.8% Ashkenazi Jewish (Spain Galicia)
Geneplaza 12.4% Southwest European 0.7% West African
Gencove 12% Southwestern European
Gedmatch 87.4% Ukrainian 12.6% Morocco Jews

Etc..

[Adamm]

What do you mean? It is from your own graph. As you can see Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans cluster together and cluster also with the Berbers. While they are not even very near to the Arabs in the Levant and Arabia.

I heard once from an Arab from northern Africa than there is no much difference between Arabs and Berbers. I didn't believe him, but after seeing the results, he was right after all. North African Arabs and Berbers are the same people.


https://i.postimg.cc/FsDdGsmp/arabs.png

Tunisians, Algerians and Moroccans are Berbers, mozabite berbers are a closed berber community from Algeria. It's more than normal thet they cluster together.

[MS85]

Tunisians, Algerians and Moroccans are Berbers, mozabite berbers are a closed berber community from Algeria. It's more than normal thet they cluster together.
Most people in Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco considered themselves Arabs and speak Arabic. The official language in those countries is Arabic. For example the king of Morocco is an Arab.

Like I said ancient Semitic Berbers and Arabs mixed with each other in Arica and became a new type of race/ethnicity.

[Adamm]

Most people in Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco considered themselves Arabs and speak Arabic. The official language in those countries is Arabic. For example the king of Morocco is an Arab.

Like I said ancient Semitic Berbers and Arabs mixed with each other in Arica and became a new type of race/ethnicity.

Who do you mean with 'Arabs'? If you mean ancient levantine people (Syria, Lebanon, Israel) then I agree with you, they migrated thousands of years ago into North Africa and trough my G25 coordinates I can be sure of it. But if you mean by 'Arab', the REAL Arabs (Arabian Peninsula) than I won't agree with you, they only came to North Africa in small numbers (2 tribes migrated to N. Africa, the Hilali and Sulaym tribe), and also our haplogroup is E which doesn't indicate any Arab forefathers from the Arabian Peninsula. Berbers are composed of ancient Iberomaursian (they also have SSA), Levantine and North African DNA.

[Zoro]

No difference in what way? Berbers should have more Sub Saharan DNA and the Beta tells me 0% Sub Saharan, I find thid very odd. I believe that Mysequence DNA results are the most accurate as they line up with the GEDmatch calculators.

But you shouldn’t find it odd because if you they show you 100% N. African or berber then they can’t show you anything else because they can’t go over 100%.

In this case they are saying you are 100% N. African and you should take another test to figure out how much SSA all N. Africans are.

[Adamm]

But you shouldn’t find it odd because if you they show you 100% N. African or berber then they can’t show you anything else because they can’t go over 100%.

In this case they are saying you are 100% N. African and you should take another test to figure out how much SSA all N. Africans are.

I thought 23andme was the most reliable testing company out there? I spent 100 dollars on this test -_-

[MS85]

Who do you mean with 'Arabs'?Those who consider themselves Arabs. When you aks Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians or Libyans who they are, a lot of time they call themselves Arabs. Gaddafi was a proud Arab. It is very clear that Berbers and Arabs heavily mixed with each other. I'm sure that if Arabs didn't invade North Africa, the Berbers would cluster somewhere else and much closer to other native Africans. It is because of the Arabs, modern berbers cluster closer to the Western Eurasians

[Zoro]

>...........

[Zoro]

I thought 23andme was the most reliable testing company out there? I spent 100 dollars on this test -_-

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their test the beta and non-beta seem both logical. Each one gives different views of your ancestry, just like Gedmatch

[Cumansky]

He’s from the Canary Islands

Dick shut your Albanian ass hahah

My cousin in Canary Islands right now for vacation with his new 20 years old wife

[Sp_loa]

What names should I search for?

Jewish last names will sound a bit different than what you know. If you see suspicious names you can ask me.

[Leto]

Those who consider themselves Arabs. When you aks Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians or Libyans who they are, a lot of time they call themselves Arabs. Gaddafi was a proud Arab. It is very clear that Berbers and Arabs heavily mixed with each other. I'm sure that if Arabs didn't invade North Africa, the Berbers would cluster somewhere else and much closer to other native Africans. It is because of the Arabs, modern berbers cluster closer to the Western Eurasians
The Berbers were largely Islamicized but not replaced racially. Just like Kurds and Persians by the way. Adam is like 25% West Med and neither Gulf Arabs, nor Levantines score that much. I believe Gulfers are less than 10% West Med and Levantine are around 15% or so. Yes, they may identify as Arab but that's like a pan-ethnicity, mostly due to Islam and linguistic assimilation. European-style nationhood as we know it today was alien to the Middle East, they identified with broader cultural and religious divisions.

[MS85]

The Berbers were largely Islamicized but not replaced racially. Just like Kurds and Persians by the way.Arabs who live close to the Berbers are racially similar to the Berbers. Since the Islamization it has been always part of the Arabic world. In all parts of northern Africa Arabic is spoken as first language.

It is clear that modern Berbers are very different from the ancient Berbers before Arabs arrived. Arabs and Berbers mixed with each other and found a new race together.


While in Persia and Kurdistan Arabic was not spoken as first native language. Persians still speak Aryan Farsi and Kurds still speak Aryan Kurdish. With other words, Arabic never replaces Aryan languages in the Kurdistan Mountains and Persia.


Arabs Islamized Kurdistan and Persia, like Muslims Islamized Malesia or Indonesia. Very different from Northern Africa.

[Leto]

Arabs who live close to the Berbers are racially similar to the Berbers. Since the Islamization it has been always part of the Arabic world. In all parts of northern Africa Arabic is spoken as first language.

It is clear that modern Berbers are very different from the ancient Berbers before Arabs arrived. Arabs and Berbers mixed with each other and found a new race together.


While in Persia and Kurdistan Arabic was not spoken as first native language. Persians still speak Aryan Farsi and Kurds still speak Aryan Kurdish. With other words, Arabic never replaces Aryan languages in the Kurdistan Mountains and Persia.


Arabs Islamized Kurdistan and Persia, like Muslims Islamized Malesia or Indonesia. Very different from Northern Africa.
Some people believe they were white and then brown Ayrabs came and brought a lot of Negroes with them but I think that's bullshit, the black blood was there even before Islam. Muslims did trade slaves for centuries but the racial impact of that might be exaggerated, at least in places like Morocco. Though there was a guy on TA, a Southern Moroccan. He was about 1/3 black.

[Adamm]

Arabs who live close to the Berbers are racially similar to the Berbers. Since the Islamization it has been always part of the Arabic world. In all parts of northern Africa Arabic is spoken as first language.

It is clear that modern Berbers are very different from the ancient Berbers before Arabs arrived. Arabs and Berbers mixed with each other and found a new race together.


While in Persia and Kurdistan Arabic was not spoken as first native language. Persians still speak Aryan Farsi and Kurds still speak Aryan Kurdish. With other words, Arabic never replaces Aryan languages in the Kurdistan Mountains and Persia.


Arabs Islamized Kurdistan and Persia, like Muslims Islamized Malesia or Indonesia. Very different from Northern Africa.


Berber language is still spoken up today, my whole family speaks it.

[Leto]

The Southern Moroccan I was talking about
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287536-My-results-(im-moroccan)-Myheritage-FTDNA-Y-DNA-Haplogroup

[Adamm]

Some people believe they were white and then brown Ayrabs came and brought a lot of Negroes with them but I think that's bullshit, the black blood was there even before Islam. Muslims did trade slaves for centuries but the racial impact of that might be exaggerated, at least in places like Morocco. Though there was a guy on TA, a Southern Moroccan. He was about 1/3 black.

Berbers always had Sub Saharan DNA because of the Iberomaurusian link:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548


"North Africa is a key region for understanding human history, but the genetic history of its people is largely unknown. We present genomic data from seven 15,000-year-old modern humans, attributed to the Iberomaurusian culture, from Morocco. We find a genetic affinity with early Holocene Near Easterners, best represented by Levantine Natufians, suggesting a pre-agricultural connection between Africa and the Near East. We do not find evidence for gene flow from Paleolithic Europeans to Late Pleistocene North Africans. The Taforalt individuals derive one-third of their ancestry from sub-Saharan Africans, best approximated by a mixture of genetic components preserved in present-day West and East Africans. Thus, we provide direct evidence for genetic interactions between modern humans across Africa and Eurasia in the Pleistocene."

[Adamm]

The Southern Moroccan I was talking about
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287536-My-results-(im-moroccan)-Myheritage-FTDNA-Y-DNA-Haplogroup


His West African is really high for a Moroccan, compare his K36 to mine:

His:

https://i.imgur.com/BfT5rxj.png

Mine:

https://i.imgur.com/aJ1fbZ7.png

[Leto]

Berbers always had Sub Saharan DNA because of the Iberomaurusian link:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548


"North Africa is a key region for understanding human history, but the genetic history of its people is largely unknown. We present genomic data from seven 15,000-year-old modern humans, attributed to the Iberomaurusian culture, from Morocco. We find a genetic affinity with early Holocene Near Easterners, best represented by Levantine Natufians, suggesting a pre-agricultural connection between Africa and the Near East. We do not find evidence for gene flow from Paleolithic Europeans to Late Pleistocene North Africans. The Taforalt individuals derive one-third of their ancestry from sub-Saharan Africans, best approximated by a mixture of genetic components preserved in present-day West and East Africans. Thus, we provide direct evidence for genetic interactions between modern humans across Africa and Eurasia in the Pleistocene."
Yes, Canarians also have it even though they were never Islamicized and have Peninsular Iberian blood.

[Leto]

His West African is really high for a Moroccan, compare his K36 to mine:

He might have more recent ancestry from the Sahel.

[Kyp]

aren't Amazigh and arabic related anyway?

btw cool results, with what tool have you calculated your Mtdna if I may ask?

[MS85]

Berber language is still spoken up today, my whole family speaks it.So, if I do understand you correctly, according to you there are no Arabs in Africa, people who consider themselves Arabs, like Gadaffi, and don't speak Berber language and consider Arabic as their native language are actually 'Arabized' Berbers? Like native Anatolians who were 'Turkified' and became the Anatolian Turks.

So, that means than almost everybody in Alegria or Morocco is a Berber. Doesn't make sense to me, because I think that my theory that Berbers and Arabs mixed with each other is more plausible. Because there is still Turkic/Mongoloid DNA in Anatolian Turks. Same can be said about Berbers and Arabs in north Africa. There is a lot Berber and Arabic blood in both groups, although it is more likely that Berber blood is still a majority within Arab or Berber population. That's why I wrote that Arabs in North Africa are different from Arabs in the Levant and Arabia.

[MS85]

aren't Amazigh and arabic related anyway?Both share proto-Afro-Asiatic (Semitic) roots.

[Benyzero]

Ah I cant wait for mine to get ready

[Leto]

@Adamm, what are your MDLP World and Dodecad World9 results? They single out black ancestry fairly well.

[Adamm]

@Adamm, what are your MDLP World and Dodecad World9 results? They single out black ancestry fairly well.


MDLP WORLD:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 38.2
2 South_and_West_European 35.18
3 Sub_Saharian 15.99
4 North_and_East_European 4.96
5 Caucaus_Parsia 2.36
6 East_Asian 1.34
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.7
8 Melanesian 0.68
9 Paleo_African 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite 9.75
2 Moroccan 15.23
3 Jew_Morocco 18.67
4 Jew_Libya 18.82
5 Jew_Algeria 19.83
6 Jew_Tunisia 20.59
7 Egyptian 22.81
8 Sephardim 22.9
9 Jew_Italia 23.01
10 Jew_France 23.03
11 Ashkenazim 23.9
12 Jordanian 25.66
13 Sicilian 26.86
14 Palestinian 27.17
15 Jew_Romania 27.74
16 Jew_Syria 28.04
17 Greek_Cretan 29.29
18 Costanoan 29.44
19 Cypriot 29.47
20 Ashkenazim_V 29.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.1% Mozabite + 23.9% Ashkenazim_V @ 3.2
2 75% Mozabite + 25% Jew_Romania @ 3.31
3 77.6% Mozabite + 22.4% Greek_South @ 3.57
4 76.9% Mozabite + 23.1% Italian-Center @ 3.61
5 74.7% Mozabite + 25.3% Sicilian @ 3.72
6 78.3% Mozabite + 21.7% Greek_North @ 3.72
7 77.9% Mozabite + 22.1% Greek_Center @ 3.8
8 71.7% Mozabite + 28.3% Jew_France @ 3.82
9 77.4% Mozabite + 22.6% Greek_East @ 3.83
10 76.8% Mozabite + 23.2% Italian-South @ 3.85
11 79.9% Mozabite + 20.1% Italian-North @ 3.92
12 72.6% Mozabite + 27.4% Ashkenazim @ 3.99
13 80.6% Mozabite + 19.4% Gagauz @ 3.99
14 71.8% Mozabite + 28.2% Jew_Italia @ 4.03
15 81.1% Mozabite + 18.9% Bulgarian @ 4.06
16 81.6% Mozabite + 18.4% Italian_North @ 4.22
17 81.8% Mozabite + 18.2% Macedonian @ 4.22
18 80.2% Mozabite + 19.8% Corsican @ 4.27
19 82.2% Mozabite + 17.8% Montenegrin @ 4.31
20 82% Mozabite + 18% Romania




Dodecad World9:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southern 51.35
2 Atlantic_Baltic 25.77
3 African 15.35
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 5.17
5 Australasian 1.12
6 Amerindian 0.81
7 South_Asian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite 13.18
2 Moroccans (Behar) 15.18
3 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.41
4 Egyptans (Behar) 23.47
5 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.89
6 Sicilian (Dodecad) 28.1
7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 28.25
8 Bedouin (HGDP) 28.66
9 S_Italian (Dodecad) 29.17
10 Ashkenazy_Jews 29.18
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 29.19
12 Yemenese (Behar) 29.79
13 Palestinian (HGDP) 30.33
14 Jordanians (Behar) 30.75
15 C_Italian (Dodecad) 32.41
16 Sardinian 32.71
17 Cypriots (Behar) 32.95
18 Greek (Dodecad) 33.03
19 Saudis (Behar) 33.31
20 Lebanese (Behar) 33.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.4% Mozabite + 30.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 4.92
2 69.5% Mozabite + 30.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.92
3 70.2% Mozabite + 29.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5
4 72.5% Mozabite + 27.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.11
5 70.3% Mozabite + 29.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.11
6 70.3% Mozabite + 29.7% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 5.12
7 64.3% Mozabite + 35.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.18
8 73% Mozabite + 27% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.37
9 67.8% Mozabite + 32.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.4
10 74.5% Mozabite + 25.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.58
11 73.8% Mozabite + 26.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.63
12 74.9% Mozabite + 25.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.68
13 73.6% Mozabite + 26.4% Sardinian @ 6.47
14 77.6% Mozabite + 22.4% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 6.58
15 61.1% Moroccans (Behar) + 38.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 6.7
16 78.3% Mozabite + 21.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 6.72
17 67% Moroccans (Behar) + 33% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 6.9
18 66.9% Moroccans (Behar) + 33.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 6.94
19 79.2% Mozabite + 20.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 6.97
20 79.5% Mozabite + 20.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 7.05

[Vojnik]

Nice results on 23andme.

https://i.ibb.co/DM5YsHM/adamm-results.png (https://ibb.co/M1MfWx1)
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https://i.ibb.co/Ypd8yxQ/addam1.png (https://ibb.co/MM1pGmS)
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https://i.ibb.co/qWhzcD4/addam2.png (https://ibb.co/rcqgzQL)
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[Adamm]

Nice results on 23andme.

https://i.ibb.co/DM5YsHM/adamm-results.png (https://ibb.co/M1MfWx1)
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https://i.ibb.co/Ypd8yxQ/addam1.png (https://ibb.co/MM1pGmS)
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https://i.ibb.co/qWhzcD4/addam2.png (https://ibb.co/rcqgzQL)
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Which website did you use for these maps?

[Vojnik]

Which website did you use for these maps?

Using your eurogenes K36 results.

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

[Adamm]

All my results in one picture from all companies I did a test or uploaded my raw DNA to:

https://i.imgur.com/oywPEen.png

[happycow]

So, if I do understand you correctly, according to you there are no Arabs in Africa, people who consider themselves Arabs, like Gadaffi, and don't speak Berber language and consider Arabic as their native language are actually 'Arabized' Berbers? Like native Anatolians who were 'Turkified' and became the Anatolian Turks.

So, that means than almost everybody in Alegria or Morocco is a Berber. Doesn't make sense to me, because I think that my theory that Berbers and Arabs mixed with each other is more plausible. Because there is still Turkic/Mongoloid DNA in Anatolian Turks. Same can be said about Berbers and Arabs in north Africa. There is a lot Berber and Arabic blood in both groups, although it is more likely that Berber blood is still a majority within Arab or Berber population. That's why I wrote that Arabs in North Africa are different from Arabs in the Levant and Arabia.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?249746-Late-Neolithic-Moroccan-GEDmatch-results

They seem to have arabian admixture even before the arab conquest.

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 44.08
2 East_Med 21.54
3 Red_Sea 15.76
4 North_Atlantic 10.5
5 Northeast_African 6.67
6 Sub-Saharan 1.45

1 51.3% Sardinian + 48.7% Moroccan @ 9.63

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 48.27
2 Middle_East 39.34
3 North_and_East_European 10.94
4 Sub_Saharian 0.98
5 Arctic_Amerind 0.47

1 61.3% Sardinian + 38.7% Jew_Yemen @ 8.63

[MS85]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?249746-Late-Neolithic-Moroccan-GEDmatch-results

They seem to have arabian admixture even before the arab conquest.

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 44.08
2 East_Med 21.54
3 Red_Sea 15.76
4 North_Atlantic 10.5
5 Northeast_African 6.67
6 Sub-Saharan 1.45

1 51.3% Sardinian + 48.7% Moroccan @ 9.63

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 48.27
2 Middle_East 39.34
3 North_and_East_European 10.94
4 Sub_Saharian 0.98
5 Arctic_Amerind 0.47

1 61.3% Sardinian + 38.7% Jew_Yemen @ 8.63Interesting. Ancient Berbers shared more DNA with the ancient Iberians than with the proto-Semitic people.

[Quiro_Brianza]

Interesting results, typical of a Moroccan


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