New Western Steppe samples on GEDmatch

[Peterski]

I've uploaded some samples from this study to GEDmatch:

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(19)30712-2?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com %2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982219307122%3Fshowall%3D true

Kit Number: HE2146927
Name: MJ12 Thraco-Kimmerian

Kit Number: YP9692697
Name: MJ14 West Scythian R1a-Z645

Kit Number: LL2673367
Name: MJ31 Early Kimmerian R1a

Kit Number: KJ1231790
Name: MJ32 Kimmerian 600 BC R1a

Kit Number: XJ2742214
Name: MJ19 Chernyakhov 262-530 AD

Kit Number: RN2067517
Name: MJ37 Chernyakhov 243-386 AD

Kit Number: XA3802705
Name: MJ36 Chernyakhov Low Quality

Kit Number: UW2322135
Name: MJ16 West Scythian J2a-B437

Kit Number: EW3293741
Name: MJ15 Scythian R1a ~300 BC

Kit Number: MX4400262
Name: MJ34 West Scythian R1a-Z93

Kit Number: HH7284193
Name: MJ13 West Scythian ~580 BC

Kit Number: NY3569644
Name: MJ35 West Scythian Q1c-L332

[Ayetooey]

Shame none of the Chernyakhov ones have Y dnas. Would of expected I2a from those parts.

[Peterski]

The Thraco-Kimmerian sample looks quite similar to modern Mainland Greeks and Bulgarians.

MJ14 West Scythian (Ukraine west of the Dnieper River) with R1a in Eurogenes K15 calculator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.35
2 Eastern_Euro 20.16
3 North_Sea 17.75
4 Atlantic 14.18
5 West_Asian 8.94
6 East_Med 3.32
7 South_Asian 3.26
8 Oceanian 1.03
9 West_Med 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.45
2 Southwest_Russian 6.19
3 Russian_Smolensk 7.24
4 Belorussian 7.84
5 Estonian_Polish 8.7
6 Lithuanian 9.08
7 South_Polish 9.58
8 Polish 9.9
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.04
10 Ukrainian 10.27
11 Estonian 11.49
12 Kargopol_Russian 11.62
13 Erzya 12.14
14 Croatian 13.61
15 Moldavian 14.64
16 East_Finnish 15.6
17 Finnish 16.49
18 Hungarian 16.53
19 La_Brana-1 17.73
20 Southwest_Finnish 17.81

[Cumansky]

They are just me alie

[Peterski]

Thraco-Kimmerian MJ12 in Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 22.5
2 East_Med 19.85
3 West_Asian 13.52
4 North_Sea 12.51
5 Baltic 9.91
6 Atlantic 9.05
7 Eastern_Euro 8.88
8 Amerindian 1.72
9 Red_Sea 1.28
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Oceanian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.41
2 Greek 9.22
3 Central_Greek 11.1
4 Bulgarian 11.99
5 East_Sicilian 12.33
6 Ashkenazi 12.42
7 Tuscan 12.51
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.57
9 Romanian 13.66
10 West_Sicilian 13.87
11 South_Italian 13.98
12 North_Italian 15.68
13 Serbian 16.48
14 Italian_Jewish 18
15 Algerian_Jewish 19.08
16 Sephardic_Jewish 19.56
17 Moldavian 20.16
18 Portuguese 22.01
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.02
20 Spanish_Extremadura 22.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Sardinian @ 6.53
2 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% MA-1 @ 7.18
3 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Mari @ 7.2
4 95.9% Greek_Thessaly + 4.1% Chuvash @ 7.21
5 98.6% Greek_Thessaly + 1.4% Anzick-1 @ 7.24
6 98.5% Greek_Thessaly + 1.5% Mayan @ 7.24
7 97.7% Greek_Thessaly + 2.3% West_Greenlander @ 7.25
8 98.3% Greek_Thessaly + 1.7% North_Amerindian @ 7.25
9 98.6% Greek_Thessaly + 1.4% Pima @ 7.25
10 98.8% Greek_Thessaly + 1.2% Karitiana @ 7.26
11 98% Greek_Thessaly + 2% Selkup @ 7.26
12 98.1% Greek_Thessaly + 1.9% East_Greenlander @ 7.27
13 97.6% Greek_Thessaly + 2.4% Shors @ 7.28
14 98.1% Greek_Thessaly + 1.9% Ket @ 7.29
15 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% Balkar @ 7.31
16 98% Greek_Thessaly + 2% Hakas @ 7.32
17 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% Nogay @ 7.32
18 96.9% Greek_Thessaly + 3.1% Tabassaran @ 7.33
19 98.6% Greek_Thessaly + 1.4% Chukchi @ 7.33
20 97% Greek_Thessaly + 3% Kabardin @ 7.34

[Deniz]

GEDmatch.Com Oracle

This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit KJ1231790

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.2
2 Caucasian 20.78
3 South_Central_Asian 14.72
4 Ancestral_Altaic 13.18
5 East_Siberian 7.13
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.85
7 Arctic 3.64
8 South_East_Asian 2.25
9 Amerindian 2.17
10 African_Pygmy 0.97
11 East_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar_Mishar ( ) 10.56
2 Tatar ( ) 11.57
3 Chuvashs ( ) 12.09
4 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 13.28
5 Tatar_Kryashen ( ) 13.58
6 Komi ( ) 13.73
7 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 13.98
8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 14.67
9 Chuvash ( ) 14.79
10 Russian-Ural ( ) 15.18
11 Karelian ( ) 15.35
12 Erzya ( ) 15.44
13 Vepsa ( ) 15.67
14 Russian-North ( ) 16.02
15 Tatar_Lithuania ( ) 16.05
16 Russian_Vologda ( ) 16.49
17 Saami_Kola ( ) 16.78
18 Turkmen_Afghan ( ) 16.85
19 Moksha ( ) 17.11
20 Finn ( ) 17.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.4% Chuvash ( ) + 40.6% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 5.36
2 65.1% Chuvashs ( ) + 34.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 5.51
3 61.7% Komi ( ) + 38.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 5.78
4 56% Saami_Kola ( ) + 44% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.03
5 51.4% Mari ( ) + 48.6% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.34
6 62.5% Komi ( ) + 37.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 6.4
7 60.3% Chuvash ( ) + 39.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 6.45
8 52.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 47.7% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 6.5
9 66.5% Chuvashs ( ) + 33.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 6.51
10 62.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 37.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 6.52
11 70.2% Bashkir ( ) + 29.8% Lak ( ) @ 6.55
12 64.3% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 35.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.56
13 70.1% Bashkir ( ) + 29.9% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 6.59
14 70.9% Bashkir ( ) + 29.1% Tabassaran ( ) @ 6.6
15 72.3% Tatar_Mishar ( ) + 27.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.62
16 67.6% Tatar ( ) + 32.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.69
17 69.5% Tatar ( ) + 30.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.74
18 58.2% Saami ( ) + 41.8% Tabassaran ( ) @ 6.77
19 68.2% Tatar ( ) + 31.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 6.78
20 71.6% Bashkir ( ) + 28.4% Avar ( ) @ 6.78

[Deniz]

GEDmatch.Com Oracle

This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit LL2673367

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.17
2 Caucasian 22.26
3 South_Central_Asian 17.74
4 Ancestral_Altaic 9.95
5 European_Early_Farmers 6.67
6 Australoid 1.69
7 Amerindian 0.9
8 Archaic_Human 0.81
9 Arctic 0.72
10 Near_East 0.07
11 African_Pygmy 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Erzya ( ) 14.37
2 Tatar_Mishar ( ) 14.8
3 Moksha ( ) 14.81
4 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 14.83
5 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 14.89
6 Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) 15.54
7 Tatar ( ) 16.12
8 Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) 16.19
9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 16.32
10 Russian-Ural ( ) 16.45
11 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 16.49
12 Russian-North ( ) 16.91
13 Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) 17.07
14 Latvian ( ) 17.36
15 Russian-North-West ( ) 17.36
16 Finn_West ( ) 17.37
17 Russian_Vologda ( ) 17.41
18 Balt ( ) 17.41
19 Estonian ( ) 17.42
20 Russian_North ( ) 17.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 48.6% Finn_West ( ) @ 4.13
2 51.8% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 48.2% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 4.33
3 52.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 47.6% Finn ( ) @ 4.43
4 52.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 47.6% Finnish-East ( ) @ 4.51
5 51.8% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 48.2% Finn_East ( ) @ 4.61
6 53.9% Erzya ( ) + 46.1% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 5.45
7 50.1% Russian-Ural ( ) + 49.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 5.48
8 53.3% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 46.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 5.53
9 57.1% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) + 42.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 5.55
10 55.9% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 44.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 5.6
11 54.4% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) + 45.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 5.64
12 52.6% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 47.4% Karelian ( ) @ 5.66
13 53.8% Russian_North ( ) + 46.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 5.76
14 51.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 48.1% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 5.82
15 56.7% Erzya ( ) + 43.3% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 5.83
16 53.4% Russian-West ( ) + 46.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 5.84
17 51.2% Kashub ( ) + 48.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 5.91
18 51.1% Russian_North ( ) + 48.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 5.94
19 50.7% Russian-West ( ) + 49.3% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 5.98
20 54% Russian-North-West ( ) + 46% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6

[Peterski]

I'm on my phone anyone will do K15 PCA for Chernyakhov samples?:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Leto]

Thank you.
I'll run all the Scythians and repost them later. Let's dispel all the myths about the Scythian race.

[xripkan]

The Thraco-Kimmerian results are very interesting. He seems a mix of modern Northern Greek, Bulgarian and Albanian populations. I assume that this individual was mixed with the ancient Thracians and the Steppe admixture he had from his steppe ancestry made him look like a modern South Balkan person.

[War Chef]

Woohoo Chernyakhov finally tested. Was not expecting the results. They look so foreign to South-East Europe.

[Leto]

Kit Number: YP9692697
Name: MJ14 West Scythian R1a-Z645

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 58.44
2 Caucasian 14.56
3 Mediterranean 14.18
4 Baloch 4.52
5 Beringian 2.32
6 Papuan 1.85
7 E-African 1.57
8 SE-Asian 1.46
9 SW-Asian 0.63
10 S-Indian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ukranian (yunusbayev) 5.49
2 russian (behar) 6.52
3 belorussian (behar) 8
4 mordovian (yunusbayev) 9.15
5 slovenian (xing) 11.47
6 russian (hgdp) 11.92
7 hungarian (behar) 13.57
8 lithuanian (behar) 15.48
9 n-european (xing) 18.12
10 utahn-white (hapmap) 19.62
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 21.31
12 chuvash (behar) 21.56
13 british (1000genomes) 22.85
14 orcadian (hgdp) 22.97
15 romanian-a (behar) 24.68
16 finnish (1000genomes) 25.71
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 25.97
18 french (hgdp) 26.43
19 italian (hgdp) 35.38
20 spaniard (behar) 37.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.8% russian (behar) + 17.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.74
2 82% russian (behar) + 18% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.75
3 89.6% russian (behar) + 10.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.8
4 88.9% russian (behar) + 11.1% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.82
5 90.9% russian (behar) + 9.1% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.84
6 91% russian (behar) + 9% morocco-jew (behar) @ 3.85
7 88% russian (behar) + 12% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 3.87
8 91.9% russian (behar) + 8.1% cypriot (behar) @ 3.92
9 92.2% russian (behar) + 7.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 3.95
10 92.6% russian (behar) + 7.4% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 3.98
11 92.1% russian (behar) + 7.9% lebanese (behar) @ 3.98
12 92.6% russian (behar) + 7.4% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 4.02
13 91.7% russian (behar) + 8.3% turkish (harappa) @ 4.06
14 92.4% russian (behar) + 7.6% jordanian (behar) @ 4.07
15 91.5% russian (behar) + 8.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 4.09
16 91.2% russian (behar) + 8.8% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 4.09
17 92.3% russian (behar) + 7.7% palestinian (harappa) @ 4.1
18 92.2% russian (behar) + 7.8% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.11
19 92.3% russian (behar) + 7.7% syrian (behar) @ 4.11
20 92.8% russian (behar) + 7.2% assyrian (harappa) @ 4.12

Kit Number: UW2322135
Name: MJ16 West Scythian J2a-B437

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 37.27
2 Mediterranean 17.98
3 Baloch 15.97
4 Caucasian 13.62
5 Siberian 5.63
6 S-Indian 2.72
7 Beringian 2.71
8 NE-Asian 1.56
9 W-African 0.89
10 Papuan 0.87
11 San 0.51
12 American 0.24
13 SW-Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 15.95
2 romanian-a (behar) 16.6
3 slovenian (xing) 17.09
4 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 18.67
5 french (hgdp) 20.63
6 n-european (xing) 21
7 utahn-white (1000genomes) 21.41
8 chuvash (behar) 21.41
9 utahn-white (hapmap) 21.75
10 ukranian (yunusbayev) 21.89
11 british (1000genomes) 22.73
12 mordovian (yunusbayev) 23.63
13 orcadian (hgdp) 24.06
14 italian (hgdp) 24.6
15 tuscan (hgdp) 26.24
16 tuscan (hapmap) 26.26
17 tuscan (1000genomes) 26.43
18 russian (behar) 27.23
19 russian (hgdp) 27.27
20 belorussian (behar) 27.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.5% n-european (xing) + 41.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.08
2 62.4% n-european (xing) + 37.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 5.56
3 61.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 38.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 5.61
4 65.7% hungarian (behar) + 34.3% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.64
5 58.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 41.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 6.04
6 59% orcadian (hgdp) + 41% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 6.05
7 64.1% slovenian (xing) + 35.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 6.1
8 62% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 38% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 6.31
9 56.6% orcadian (hgdp) + 43.4% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 6.34
10 74.1% hungarian (behar) + 25.9% burusho (hgdp) @ 6.4
11 60.5% british (1000genomes) + 39.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 6.51
12 56.6% british (1000genomes) + 43.4% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 6.68
13 74.4% hungarian (behar) + 25.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 6.71
14 71.6% hungarian (behar) + 28.4% pashtun (harappa) @ 6.76
15 74% hungarian (behar) + 26% pathan (hgdp) @ 6.98
16 58.3% british (1000genomes) + 41.7% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 7.1
17 72.9% slovenian (xing) + 27.1% burusho (hgdp) @ 7.13
18 77.9% hungarian (behar) + 22.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 7.15
19 55.2% orcadian (hgdp) + 44.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 7.17
20 75.6% hungarian (behar) + 24.4% bhatia (harappa) @ 7.24

Kit Number: EW3293741
Name: MJ15 Scythian R1a ~300 BC

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 38.46
2 Baloch 22.34
3 Mediterranean 10.48
4 Siberian 9.29
5 Caucasian 7.54
6 American 6.25
7 S-Indian 2.75
8 W-African 1.41
9 NE-Asian 1.04
10 Beringian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 chuvash (behar) 19.57
2 hungarian (behar) 24.71
3 mordovian (yunusbayev) 25.12
4 slovenian (xing) 25.28
5 ukranian (yunusbayev) 26.64
6 romanian-a (behar) 27.55
7 tajik (yunusbayev) 27.56
8 n-european (xing) 27.74
9 russian (hgdp) 28.01
10 utahn-white (hapmap) 28.14
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 28.28
12 british (1000genomes) 29.12
13 orcadian (hgdp) 29.35
14 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 29.46
15 french (hgdp) 29.92
16 russian (behar) 30.36
17 belorussian (behar) 30.65
18 uzbek (behar) 32.33
19 haryana-jatt (harappa) 33.8
20 nogai (yunusbayev) 34.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74% chuvash (behar) + 26% brahui (hgdp) @ 9.58
2 73.1% chuvash (behar) + 26.9% balochi (hgdp) @ 9.67
3 73.5% chuvash (behar) + 26.5% makrani (hgdp) @ 9.79
4 67.7% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 32.3% brahui (hgdp) @ 9.97
5 67.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 32.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 10
6 66.7% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 33.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 10.01
7 64.3% russian (hgdp) + 35.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 10.03
8 50.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 49.5% russian (hgdp) @ 10.09
9 70.1% chuvash (behar) + 29.9% bhatia (harappa) @ 10.12
10 65% russian (hgdp) + 35% brahui (hgdp) @ 10.17
11 69.8% chuvash (behar) + 30.2% kalash (hgdp) @ 10.52
12 52.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 47.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 10.56
13 69.2% chuvash (behar) + 30.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 10.62
14 73% chuvash (behar) + 27% sindhi (hgdp) @ 10.67
15 66.2% chuvash (behar) + 33.8% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 10.72
16 72.8% chuvash (behar) + 27.2% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 10.91
17 62.2% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 37.8% burusho (hgdp) @ 10.95
18 69.7% chuvash (behar) + 30.3% burusho (hgdp) @ 10.96
19 57.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 42.8% lithuanian (behar) @ 10.97
20 69.6% chuvash (behar) + 30.4% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 10.99

Kit Number: MX4400262
Name: MJ34 West Scythian R1a-Z93

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 38.4
2 Caucasian 18.41
3 Mediterranean 16.55
4 Baloch 15.68
5 Siberian 5.18
6 American 2.4
7 Beringian 0.95
8 W-African 0.84
9 E-African 0.43
10 Papuan 0.39
11 Pygmy 0.35
12 S-Indian 0.25
13 SW-Asian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 14.38
2 hungarian (behar) 15.65
3 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 16.08
4 slovenian (xing) 16.68
5 ukranian (yunusbayev) 21.33
6 chuvash (behar) 22.21
7 french (hgdp) 22.3
8 n-european (xing) 22.49
9 utahn-white (1000genomes) 23.21
10 utahn-white (hapmap) 23.4
11 mordovian (yunusbayev) 23.45
12 italian (hgdp) 24.61
13 british (1000genomes) 24.73
14 tuscan (hgdp) 25.21
15 tuscan (hapmap) 25.33
16 tuscan (1000genomes) 25.34
17 orcadian (hgdp) 26.15
18 russian (behar) 26.4
19 belorussian (behar) 26.99
20 russian (hgdp) 27.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.2% hungarian (behar) + 33.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.33
2 56.9% n-european (xing) + 43.1% stalskoe (xing) @ 5.42
3 55.9% utahn-white (hapmap) + 44.1% stalskoe (xing) @ 5.42
4 53% orcadian (hgdp) + 47% stalskoe (xing) @ 5.44
5 64.7% slovenian (xing) + 35.3% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.58
6 56.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 43.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 5.92
7 54.5% british (1000genomes) + 45.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 5.98
8 58.2% orcadian (hgdp) + 41.8% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 6.08
9 59.3% n-european (xing) + 40.7% urkarah (xing) @ 6.19
10 52.6% orcadian (hgdp) + 47.4% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 6.25
11 58.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 41.5% urkarah (xing) @ 6.35
12 62% n-european (xing) + 38% lezgin (behar) @ 6.41
13 61.1% utahn-white (hapmap) + 38.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 6.43
14 69.6% hungarian (behar) + 30.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 6.46
15 55.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 44.5% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 6.47
16 56.9% british (1000genomes) + 43.1% urkarah (xing) @ 6.47
17 55.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 44.6% urkarah (xing) @ 6.49
18 59.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 40.9% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 6.5
19 61% utahn-white (hapmap) + 39% lezgin (behar) @ 6.53
20 62.1% n-european (xing) + 37.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 6.59

Kit Number: HH7284193
Name: MJ13 West Scythian ~580 BC

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 51.69
2 Mediterranean 15.34
3 Baloch 12.96
4 Caucasian 11.94
5 American 3.47
6 W-African 2.7
7 E-African 0.79
8 SW-Asian 0.65
9 Beringian 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ukranian (yunusbayev) 10.04
2 slovenian (xing) 10.75
3 hungarian (behar) 11.53
4 mordovian (yunusbayev) 12.41
5 belorussian (behar) 14.35
6 russian (behar) 14.79
7 n-european (xing) 15.69
8 russian (hgdp) 15.96
9 utahn-white (hapmap) 16.75
10 utahn-white (1000genomes) 17.93
11 british (1000genomes) 19.34
12 orcadian (hgdp) 19.48
13 chuvash (behar) 20.33
14 lithuanian (behar) 20.61
15 romanian-a (behar) 21.88
16 french (hgdp) 22.5
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 23.74
18 italian (hgdp) 31.84
19 finnish (1000genomes) 32.08
20 spaniard (behar) 33.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.2% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.31
2 88.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.8% brahui (hgdp) @ 5.41
3 87.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 5.47
4 82.4% belorussian (behar) + 17.6% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.83
5 86.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.3% kalash (hgdp) @ 5.96
6 87% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13% bhatia (harappa) @ 5.97
7 83.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 16.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.99
8 75.5% belorussian (behar) + 24.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 6.1
9 86.6% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.4% pathan (hgdp) @ 6.15
10 86.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.1% burusho (hgdp) @ 6.18
11 82.4% belorussian (behar) + 17.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 6.2
12 88.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.8% sindhi (hgdp) @ 6.22
13 83% belorussian (behar) + 17% brahui (hgdp) @ 6.28
14 85.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 14.1% pashtun (harappa) @ 6.29
15 87.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 6.42
16 88.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.8% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 6.42
17 85.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 14.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 6.44
18 87% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 6.45
19 87.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 6.52
20 87.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 6.65

Kit Number: NY3569644
Name: MJ35 West Scythian Q1c-L332

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 36.71
2 Baloch 19.79
3 Caucasian 14.98
4 Mediterranean 13.13
5 Siberian 6.52
6 S-Indian 3.87
7 SW-Asian 1.84
8 W-African 1.15
9 Papuan 0.73
10 Beringian 0.51
11 Pygmy 0.47
12 American 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 19.55
2 hungarian (behar) 20.22
3 slovenian (xing) 20.99
4 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 21.3
5 chuvash (behar) 21.52
6 ukranian (yunusbayev) 24.36
7 mordovian (yunusbayev) 25.01
8 tajik (yunusbayev) 25.08
9 n-european (xing) 25.67
10 french (hgdp) 26.08
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 26.29
12 utahn-white (hapmap) 26.39
13 british (1000genomes) 27.55
14 orcadian (hgdp) 28.54
15 russian (hgdp) 28.63
16 italian (hgdp) 28.97
17 nogai (yunusbayev) 29.01
18 russian (behar) 29.05
19 tuscan (hgdp) 29.24
20 stalskoe (xing) 29.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 49.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.65
2 54.8% slovenian (xing) + 45.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 5.97
3 55.8% hungarian (behar) + 44.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 6.23
4 50.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 49.4% n-european (xing) @ 6.45
5 54.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 45.7% belorussian (behar) @ 6.47
6 50.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 49.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 6.7
7 51.4% tajik (yunusbayev) + 48.6% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 6.88
8 66.5% hungarian (behar) + 33.5% kalash (hgdp) @ 7.08
9 65.6% slovenian (xing) + 34.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 7.08
10 53.9% tajik (yunusbayev) + 46.1% russian (behar) @ 7.12
11 58% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 42% pashtun (harappa) @ 7.23
12 66.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 33.3% makrani (hgdp) @ 7.23
13 63% hungarian (behar) + 37% pashtun (harappa) @ 7.29
14 62% slovenian (xing) + 38% pashtun (harappa) @ 7.31
15 70.1% slovenian (xing) + 29.9% balochi (hgdp) @ 7.37
16 66.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 33.5% balochi (hgdp) @ 7.37
17 59.4% tajik (yunusbayev) + 40.6% lithuanian (behar) @ 7.38
18 66% hungarian (behar) + 34% pathan (hgdp) @ 7.44
19 65% slovenian (xing) + 35% pathan (hgdp) @ 7.48
20 70.4% slovenian (xing) + 29.6% makrani (hgdp) @ 7.49

[Leto]

Kit Number: LL2673367
Name: MJ31 Early Kimmerian R1a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 51.4
2 Baloch 22.75
3 Mediterranean 12.94
4 Caucasian 5.61
5 Papuan 1.8
6 Beringian 1.6
7 W-African 1.48
8 American 1.21
9 Pygmy 1.07
10 SE-Asian 0.1
11 SW-Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 mordovian (yunusbayev) 17.25
2 ukranian (yunusbayev) 18.13
3 slovenian (xing) 19.7
4 russian (hgdp) 19.79
5 hungarian (behar) 20
6 belorussian (behar) 20.55
7 n-european (xing) 20.63
8 utahn-white (hapmap) 20.78
9 orcadian (hgdp) 21.66
10 russian (behar) 21.68
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 21.81
12 chuvash (behar) 22.13
13 british (1000genomes) 22.44
14 lithuanian (behar) 23.72
15 french (hgdp) 27.29
16 romanian-a (behar) 29.35
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 31.37
18 finnish (1000genomes) 34.6
19 italian (hgdp) 37.89
20 spaniard (behar) 37.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% lithuanian (behar) + 28.7% brahui (hgdp) @ 5.44
2 71% lithuanian (behar) + 29% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.8
3 70.7% lithuanian (behar) + 29.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 5.99
4 75.1% belorussian (behar) + 24.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 8.16
5 68.6% lithuanian (behar) + 31.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 8.8
6 74.8% belorussian (behar) + 25.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 8.84
7 68.9% lithuanian (behar) + 31.1% bhatia (harappa) @ 8.84
8 75.1% belorussian (behar) + 24.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 8.92
9 76.4% russian (hgdp) + 23.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 9.05
10 79.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 20.4% brahui (hgdp) @ 9.15
11 68.2% lithuanian (behar) + 31.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 9.21
12 63% lithuanian (behar) + 37% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 9.25
13 68.6% lithuanian (behar) + 31.4% burusho (hgdp) @ 9.36
14 71.1% lithuanian (behar) + 28.9% sindhi (hgdp) @ 9.36
15 76% russian (hgdp) + 24% balochi (hgdp) @ 9.53
16 76.3% russian (hgdp) + 23.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 9.54
17 79.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 20.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 9.65
18 79.7% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 20.3% makrani (hgdp) @ 9.69
19 67.2% lithuanian (behar) + 32.8% pashtun (harappa) @ 9.89
20 74.7% russian (behar) + 25.3% brahui (hgdp) @ 9.95


Kit Number: KJ1231790
Name: MJ32 Kimmerian 600 BC R1a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 42.37
2 Baloch 22.49
3 Siberian 9.85
4 Mediterranean 9.16
5 Caucasian 5.93
6 Beringian 3.4
7 American 2.62
8 NE-Asian 2.06
9 S-Indian 1.19
10 W-African 0.69
11 San 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 chuvash (behar) 16.23
2 mordovian (yunusbayev) 22.09
3 hungarian (behar) 24.4
4 slovenian (xing) 24.68
5 ukranian (yunusbayev) 24.7
6 russian (hgdp) 24.75
7 n-european (xing) 26.91
8 utahn-white (hapmap) 27.28
9 utahn-white (1000genomes) 27.72
10 russian (behar) 27.89
11 belorussian (behar) 28.2
12 orcadian (hgdp) 28.39
13 british (1000genomes) 28.49
14 romanian-a (behar) 29.19
15 tajik (yunusbayev) 30.26
16 french (hgdp) 30.62
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 31.08
18 lithuanian (behar) 32.4
19 uzbek (behar) 34.11
20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 36.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.2% chuvash (behar) + 21.8% brahui (hgdp) @ 7.64
2 77.7% chuvash (behar) + 22.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 7.99
3 78.1% chuvash (behar) + 21.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 8.17
4 68.7% russian (hgdp) + 31.3% brahui (hgdp) @ 8.27
5 67.9% russian (hgdp) + 32.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 8.52
6 68.3% russian (hgdp) + 31.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 8.54
7 71.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 28.5% brahui (hgdp) @ 8.54
8 75.7% chuvash (behar) + 24.3% bhatia (harappa) @ 8.83
9 70.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 8.87
10 71.2% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 28.8% makrani (hgdp) @ 8.94
11 55.7% russian (hgdp) + 44.3% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 9.25
12 75.6% chuvash (behar) + 24.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 9.25
13 78.1% chuvash (behar) + 21.9% sindhi (hgdp) @ 9.33
14 75.2% chuvash (behar) + 24.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 9.41
15 72.8% chuvash (behar) + 27.2% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 9.45
16 75.4% chuvash (behar) + 24.6% burusho (hgdp) @ 9.5
17 78.2% chuvash (behar) + 21.8% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 9.66
18 75.6% chuvash (behar) + 24.4% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 9.69
19 69% chuvash (behar) + 31% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 9.89
20 63.9% russian (hgdp) + 36.1% burusho (hgdp) @ 9.94

[Kyp]

Scythians wuz turkic = dead

[Dick]

So what’s the conclusion, doctors. Is the kimmerian Proto-Dacian then too?

[War Chef]

Using Ph2ter's recommended (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289806-Visigoth-Mixed-Slav-Girona&p=6053921&viewfull=1#post6053921) settings for GED match autosomal comparison:




XA3802705 - Chernyakhov
No matches






XJ2742214 - Chernyakhov
Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 10.8 cM (0.303 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
97013 SNPs used for this comparison.
50.743 Pct SNPs are full identical




RN2067517 - Chernyakhov
Largest segment = 3.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 8.2 cM (0.230 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
68258 SNPs used for this comparison.
50.558 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Leto]

Kit Number: XA3802705
Name: MJ36 Chernyakhov Culture

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 52.01
2 Mediterranean 31.02
3 Baloch 11.81
4 American 5.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 orcadian (hgdp) 5.67
2 british (1000genomes) 6.76
3 utahn-white (hapmap) 7.2
4 utahn-white (1000genomes) 7.47
5 n-european (xing) 8.26
6 french (hgdp) 14.74
7 hungarian (behar) 16.43
8 slovenian (xing) 17.01
9 ukranian (yunusbayev) 19.39
10 belorussian (behar) 21.57
11 mordovian (yunusbayev) 22.71
12 russian (hgdp) 23.91
13 russian (behar) 24.55
14 lithuanian (behar) 24.55
15 spaniard (behar) 25.52
16 spaniard (1000genomes) 26.21
17 romanian-a (behar) 29.33
18 chuvash (behar) 29.8
19 spain-basc (henn2012) 30.01
20 italian (hgdp) 30.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.5% surui (hgdp) @ 1.72
2 95.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.5% karitiana (hgdp) @ 1.72
3 95.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.5% colombian (hgdp) @ 1.72
4 95.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.6% totonac (xing) @ 1.77
5 95.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.6% pima (hgdp) @ 1.78
6 95.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.9% maya (hgdp) @ 1.85
7 95.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.9% bolivian (xing) @ 1.85
8 94.6% orcadian (hgdp) + 5.4% peruvian (1000genomes) @ 2.06
9 92.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 7.3% ecuadorian (bryc) @ 2.79
10 92.3% orcadian (hgdp) + 7.7% mexican (1000genomes) @ 2.91
11 91% orcadian (hgdp) + 9% colombian (1000genomes) @ 4.06
12 95.8% british (1000genomes) + 4.2% surui (hgdp) @ 4.51
13 95.8% british (1000genomes) + 4.2% karitiana (hgdp) @ 4.51
14 95.8% british (1000genomes) + 4.2% colombian (hgdp) @ 4.52
15 95.7% british (1000genomes) + 4.3% totonac (xing) @ 4.55
16 95.7% british (1000genomes) + 4.3% pima (hgdp) @ 4.56
17 95.5% british (1000genomes) + 4.5% maya (hgdp) @ 4.61
18 95.5% british (1000genomes) + 4.5% bolivian (xing) @ 4.62
19 95.1% british (1000genomes) + 4.9% peruvian (1000genomes) @ 4.79
20 92.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 7.3% puerto-rican (1000genomes) @ 5.01

Kit Number: XJ2742214
Name: MJ19 Chernyakhov 262-530 AD

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 52.54
2 Mediterranean 21.61
3 Baloch 10.87
4 Caucasian 9.43
5 SE-Asian 1.55
6 W-African 1.42
7 San 0.89
8 S-Indian 0.8
9 Papuan 0.46
10 Beringian 0.36
11 NE-Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 slovenian (xing) 7.28
2 hungarian (behar) 7.85
3 ukranian (yunusbayev) 8.76
4 n-european (xing) 8.8
5 utahn-white (hapmap) 9.94
6 utahn-white (1000genomes) 11.29
7 british (1000genomes) 12.74
8 orcadian (hgdp) 13.03
9 belorussian (behar) 13.2
10 mordovian (yunusbayev) 13.41
11 russian (behar) 15.01
12 russian (hgdp) 16.34
13 french (hgdp) 17.12
14 lithuanian (behar) 19.35
15 romanian-a (behar) 21.86
16 chuvash (behar) 22.57
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 24
18 spaniard (behar) 28.96
19 italian (hgdp) 29.19
20 spaniard (1000genomes) 30.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 43.2% french (hgdp) @ 4.78
2 58.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 41.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.83
3 61.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 38.1% british (1000genomes) @ 4.94
4 50.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 49.8% n-european (xing) @ 5.11
5 55.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 44.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.2
6 69.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 30.2% french (hgdp) @ 5.21
7 62.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 37.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 5.24
8 63.6% n-european (xing) + 36.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
9 84.6% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 15.4% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 5.47
10 76.9% hungarian (behar) + 23.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 5.52
11 85.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 14.7% basque (hgdp) @ 5.57
12 72% slovenian (xing) + 28% orcadian (hgdp) @ 5.67
13 70.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.9% spaniard (behar) @ 5.71
14 51.6% british (1000genomes) + 48.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.73
15 58.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 41.2% russian (behar) @ 5.78
16 70.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 5.81
17 69.6% hungarian (behar) + 30.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.81
18 81.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 18.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 5.83
19 74.5% hungarian (behar) + 25.5% russian (hgdp) @ 5.85
20 53.8% russian (behar) + 46.2% french (hgdp) @ 5.87

Kit Number: RN2067517
Name: MJ37 Chernyakhov 243-386 AD

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 43.83
2 Mediterranean 24.4
3 Caucasian 15.69
4 Baloch 10.31
5 S-Indian 2.2
6 SW-Asian 1.91
7 Pygmy 1.21
8 Beringian 0.36
9 SE-Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 6.03
2 slovenian (xing) 7.71
3 romanian-a (behar) 12.47
4 n-european (xing) 12.85
5 french (hgdp) 12.91
6 utahn-white (1000genomes) 13.76
7 utahn-white (hapmap) 14.05
8 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 14.86
9 british (1000genomes) 15.6
10 ukranian (yunusbayev) 15.67
11 orcadian (hgdp) 17.55
12 italian (hgdp) 19.84
13 mordovian (yunusbayev) 21.12
14 belorussian (behar) 21.48
15 russian (behar) 22.25
16 spaniard (behar) 22.39
17 tuscan (hapmap) 23.55
18 spaniard (1000genomes) 23.6
19 tuscan (hgdp) 23.67
20 tuscan (1000genomes) 23.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% n-european (xing) + 17.7% georgian (harappa) @ 2.25
2 81.1% n-european (xing) + 18.9% armenian (behar) @ 2.59
3 78.8% n-european (xing) + 21.2% azeri (harappa) @ 2.63
4 83.2% n-european (xing) + 16.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.66
5 77.9% n-european (xing) + 22.1% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.71
6 79.4% n-european (xing) + 20.6% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.71
7 79.8% n-european (xing) + 20.2% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.73
8 83.7% n-european (xing) + 16.3% georgian (behar) @ 2.74
9 80.1% n-european (xing) + 19.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.77
10 77.3% n-european (xing) + 22.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.78
11 78.3% n-european (xing) + 21.7% turk (behar) @ 2.83
12 81% utahn-white (hapmap) + 19% georgian (harappa) @ 2.91
13 78.1% n-european (xing) + 21.9% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 3.09
14 78% utahn-white (hapmap) + 22% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 3.1
15 78.5% n-european (xing) + 21.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.1
16 82.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 17.5% georgian (behar) @ 3.17
17 91.8% hungarian (behar) + 8.2% sindhi (hgdp) @ 3.19
18 92.1% hungarian (behar) + 7.9% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.2
19 91% hungarian (behar) + 9% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.2
20 91.5% hungarian (behar) + 8.5% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.22

[Cleitus]

Thraco-Kimmerian MJ12 in Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 22.5
2 East_Med 19.85
3 West_Asian 13.52
4 North_Sea 12.51
5 Baltic 9.91
6 Atlantic 9.05
7 Eastern_Euro 8.88
8 Amerindian 1.72
9 Red_Sea 1.28
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Oceanian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.41
2 Greek 9.22
3 Central_Greek 11.1
4 Bulgarian 11.99
5 East_Sicilian 12.33
6 Ashkenazi 12.42
7 Tuscan 12.51
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.57
9 Romanian 13.66
10 West_Sicilian 13.87
11 South_Italian 13.98
12 North_Italian 15.68
13 Serbian 16.48
14 Italian_Jewish 18
15 Algerian_Jewish 19.08
16 Sephardic_Jewish 19.56
17 Moldavian 20.16
18 Portuguese 22.01
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.02
20 Spanish_Extremadura 22.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Sardinian @ 6.53
2 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% MA-1 @ 7.18
3 96.2% Greek_Thessaly + 3.8% Mari @ 7.2
4 95.9% Greek_Thessaly + 4.1% Chuvash @ 7.21
5 98.6% Greek_Thessaly + 1.4% Anzick-1 @ 7.24
6 98.5% Greek_Thessaly + 1.5% Mayan @ 7.24
7 97.7% Greek_Thessaly + 2.3% West_Greenlander @ 7.25
8 98.3% Greek_Thessaly + 1.7% North_Amerindian @ 7.25
9 98.6% Greek_Thessaly + 1.4% Pima @ 7.25
10 98.8% Greek_Thessaly + 1.2% Karitiana @ 7.26
11 98% Greek_Thessaly + 2% Selkup @ 7.26
12 98.1% Greek_Thessaly + 1.9% East_Greenlander @ 7.27
13 97.6% Greek_Thessaly + 2.4% Shors @ 7.28
14 98.1% Greek_Thessaly + 1.9% Ket @ 7.29
15 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% Balkar @ 7.31
16 98% Greek_Thessaly + 2% Hakas @ 7.32
17 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% Nogay @ 7.32
18 96.9% Greek_Thessaly + 3.1% Tabassaran @ 7.33
19 98.6% Greek_Thessaly + 1.4% Chukchi @ 7.33
20 97% Greek_Thessaly + 3% Kabardin @ 7.34

Is the Y dna of this sample known?

[War Chef]

Kit Number: XA3802705
Name: MJ36 Chernyakhov Culture

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 52.01
2 Mediterranean 31.02
3 Baloch 11.81
4 American 5.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 orcadian (hgdp) 5.67
2 british (1000genomes) 6.76
3 utahn-white (hapmap) 7.2
4 utahn-white (1000genomes) 7.47
5 n-european (xing) 8.26
6 french (hgdp) 14.74
7 hungarian (behar) 16.43
8 slovenian (xing) 17.01
9 ukranian (yunusbayev) 19.39
10 belorussian (behar) 21.57
11 mordovian (yunusbayev) 22.71
12 russian (hgdp) 23.91
13 russian (behar) 24.55
14 lithuanian (behar) 24.55
15 spaniard (behar) 25.52
16 spaniard (1000genomes) 26.21
17 romanian-a (behar) 29.33
18 chuvash (behar) 29.8
19 spain-basc (henn2012) 30.01
20 italian (hgdp) 30.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.5% surui (hgdp) @ 1.72
2 95.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.5% karitiana (hgdp) @ 1.72
3 95.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.5% colombian (hgdp) @ 1.72
4 95.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.6% totonac (xing) @ 1.77
5 95.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.6% pima (hgdp) @ 1.78
6 95.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.9% maya (hgdp) @ 1.85
7 95.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 4.9% bolivian (xing) @ 1.85
8 94.6% orcadian (hgdp) + 5.4% peruvian (1000genomes) @ 2.06
9 92.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 7.3% ecuadorian (bryc) @ 2.79
10 92.3% orcadian (hgdp) + 7.7% mexican (1000genomes) @ 2.91
11 91% orcadian (hgdp) + 9% colombian (1000genomes) @ 4.06
12 95.8% british (1000genomes) + 4.2% surui (hgdp) @ 4.51
13 95.8% british (1000genomes) + 4.2% karitiana (hgdp) @ 4.51
14 95.8% british (1000genomes) + 4.2% colombian (hgdp) @ 4.52
15 95.7% british (1000genomes) + 4.3% totonac (xing) @ 4.55
16 95.7% british (1000genomes) + 4.3% pima (hgdp) @ 4.56
17 95.5% british (1000genomes) + 4.5% maya (hgdp) @ 4.61
18 95.5% british (1000genomes) + 4.5% bolivian (xing) @ 4.62
19 95.1% british (1000genomes) + 4.9% peruvian (1000genomes) @ 4.79
20 92.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 7.3% puerto-rican (1000genomes) @ 5.01

Kit Number: XJ2742214
Name: MJ19 Chernyakhov 262-530 AD

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 52.54
2 Mediterranean 21.61
3 Baloch 10.87
4 Caucasian 9.43
5 SE-Asian 1.55
6 W-African 1.42
7 San 0.89
8 S-Indian 0.8
9 Papuan 0.46
10 Beringian 0.36
11 NE-Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 slovenian (xing) 7.28
2 hungarian (behar) 7.85
3 ukranian (yunusbayev) 8.76
4 n-european (xing) 8.8
5 utahn-white (hapmap) 9.94
6 utahn-white (1000genomes) 11.29
7 british (1000genomes) 12.74
8 orcadian (hgdp) 13.03
9 belorussian (behar) 13.2
10 mordovian (yunusbayev) 13.41
11 russian (behar) 15.01
12 russian (hgdp) 16.34
13 french (hgdp) 17.12
14 lithuanian (behar) 19.35
15 romanian-a (behar) 21.86
16 chuvash (behar) 22.57
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 24
18 spaniard (behar) 28.96
19 italian (hgdp) 29.19
20 spaniard (1000genomes) 30.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 43.2% french (hgdp) @ 4.78
2 58.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 41.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.83
3 61.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 38.1% british (1000genomes) @ 4.94
4 50.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 49.8% n-european (xing) @ 5.11
5 55.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 44.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.2
6 69.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 30.2% french (hgdp) @ 5.21
7 62.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 37.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 5.24
8 63.6% n-european (xing) + 36.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
9 84.6% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 15.4% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 5.47
10 76.9% hungarian (behar) + 23.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 5.52
11 85.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 14.7% basque (hgdp) @ 5.57
12 72% slovenian (xing) + 28% orcadian (hgdp) @ 5.67
13 70.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.9% spaniard (behar) @ 5.71
14 51.6% british (1000genomes) + 48.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.73
15 58.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 41.2% russian (behar) @ 5.78
16 70.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 29.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 5.81
17 69.6% hungarian (behar) + 30.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.81
18 81.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 18.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 5.83
19 74.5% hungarian (behar) + 25.5% russian (hgdp) @ 5.85
20 53.8% russian (behar) + 46.2% french (hgdp) @ 5.87

Kit Number: RN2067517
Name: MJ37 Chernyakhov 243-386 AD

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 43.83
2 Mediterranean 24.4
3 Caucasian 15.69
4 Baloch 10.31
5 S-Indian 2.2
6 SW-Asian 1.91
7 Pygmy 1.21
8 Beringian 0.36
9 SE-Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 6.03
2 slovenian (xing) 7.71
3 romanian-a (behar) 12.47
4 n-european (xing) 12.85
5 french (hgdp) 12.91
6 utahn-white (1000genomes) 13.76
7 utahn-white (hapmap) 14.05
8 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 14.86
9 british (1000genomes) 15.6
10 ukranian (yunusbayev) 15.67
11 orcadian (hgdp) 17.55
12 italian (hgdp) 19.84
13 mordovian (yunusbayev) 21.12
14 belorussian (behar) 21.48
15 russian (behar) 22.25
16 spaniard (behar) 22.39
17 tuscan (hapmap) 23.55
18 spaniard (1000genomes) 23.6
19 tuscan (hgdp) 23.67
20 tuscan (1000genomes) 23.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% n-european (xing) + 17.7% georgian (harappa) @ 2.25
2 81.1% n-european (xing) + 18.9% armenian (behar) @ 2.59
3 78.8% n-european (xing) + 21.2% azeri (harappa) @ 2.63
4 83.2% n-european (xing) + 16.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.66
5 77.9% n-european (xing) + 22.1% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.71
6 79.4% n-european (xing) + 20.6% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.71
7 79.8% n-european (xing) + 20.2% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.73
8 83.7% n-european (xing) + 16.3% georgian (behar) @ 2.74
9 80.1% n-european (xing) + 19.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.77
10 77.3% n-european (xing) + 22.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.78
11 78.3% n-european (xing) + 21.7% turk (behar) @ 2.83
12 81% utahn-white (hapmap) + 19% georgian (harappa) @ 2.91
13 78.1% n-european (xing) + 21.9% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 3.09
14 78% utahn-white (hapmap) + 22% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 3.1
15 78.5% n-european (xing) + 21.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.1
16 82.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 17.5% georgian (behar) @ 3.17
17 91.8% hungarian (behar) + 8.2% sindhi (hgdp) @ 3.19
18 92.1% hungarian (behar) + 7.9% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.2
19 91% hungarian (behar) + 9% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.2
20 91.5% hungarian (behar) + 8.5% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.22


Their k15 is also very amazing. Predominantly Swedish, thus confirming Jordanes accounts of them coming from Scandza.
I was a believer in the fringe theory that they were Bavarians who followed the Danube downstream, but I was wrong.

[xripkan]

So what’s the conclusion, doctors. Is the kimmerian Proto-Dacian then too?

The Thraco-Kimmerians were mixed with Thracians and most of them migrated to Thrace during Antiquity. I think these results indicate exactly that. This individual resembles the ancient Balkan results plus the Steppe ancestry of Kimmerians.

[Dick]

Their k15 is also very amazing. Predominantly Swedish, thus confirming Jordanes accounts of them coming from Scandza.
I was a believer in the fringe theory that they were Bavarians who followed the Danube downstream, but I was wrong.

Jordanes was probably right about everything he wrote

[War Chef]

The decent chunk of "Baloch" and south Asian-like DNA in the Scythians and Cimmerians is interesting. They really did come from Central Asia.

[Leto]

The decent chunk of "Baloch" and south Asian-like DNA in the Scythians and Cimmerians is interesting. They really did come from Central Asia.
The Yamnaya had the Baloch too, it's some type of CHG.

[Cleitus]

The Yamnaya had the Baloch too, it's some type of CHG.


It's the Gedrosian component.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Gedrosian-admixture.gif
The Gedrosian admixture was not found at all in Mesolithic or Neolithic Europeans. Ancient DNA tests confirmed that it was found at high frequencies among Proto-Indo-European people from the Yamna culture (± 30%), and was spread west with the Indo-European migrations. It is especially linked to Y-DNA haplogroup R1b, although its distribution in Asia correlates more with Y-haplogroups G, J2 and L.

[War Chef]

Using Ph2ter's recommended (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289806-Visigoth-Mixed-Slav-Girona&p=6053921&viewfull=1#post6053921) settings for GED match autosomal comparison:





HE2146927 - Thraco-Cimmerian
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 15.7 cM (0.440 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.




YP9692697 - West-Scythian
Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 14.4 cM (0.404 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.






LL2673367 - Early Cimmerian
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 8.1 cM (0.227 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.






KJ1231790 - Cimmerian
Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 21.2 cM (0.592 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.





UW2322135 - West Scythian
Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.3 cM (0.203 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.



EW3293741 - Scythian
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 6.4 cM (0.178 Pct)
2 shared segments found for this comparison.



MX4400262 - West-Scythian
Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 2.1 cM (0.058 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.




HH7284193 - West Scythian
Largest segment = 2.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 9.7 cM (0.272 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.





West-Scythian
Largest segment = 4.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 4.9 cM (0.136 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.

[War Chef]

The Yamnaya had the Baloch too, it's some type of CHG.



https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. AJWvfzItDRfDY_6KQ_BcSQHaFC%26pid%3DApi&f=1
It's the Gedrosian component.

It's probably just Middle-Eastern (west Asian) stuff from the Iranian plateau that leaked onto central Asia. Of course this was unavoidable, and maybe those people introduced domesticated animals, but they weren't the original PIE's (I think they came from the upper Volga area): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khvalynsk_culture

[SharpFork]

The Thraco-Kimmerian sample looks quite similar to modern Mainland Greeks and Bulgarians.

MJ14 West Scythian (Ukraine west of the Dnieper River) with R1a in Eurogenes K15 calculator:

1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.45


Is that an actual Scythian? Like his father and mother both Scythian, not a slave, not an assimilated fellow? Obviously that's not an actual Scythian, they wouldn't have so low West-Asian, South-Asian or East Eurasian admixture.


Thraco-Kimmerian MJ12 in Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Greek_Thessaly 7.41

And is that an actual Cimmerian? Those results are not that useful tbh.

[SharpFork]

Jordanes was probably right about everything he wrote
Jordanes must be one of the most bullshit writer ever, he confuses the Dacian Getae for Goths, plus the "Scandinavian" connection is pretty tenuous, obviously there is some influence but ultimately it seems just a general shift to the north.

[Leto]

It's probably just Middle-Eastern (west Asian) stuff from the Iranian plateau that leaked onto central Asia. Of course this was unavoidable, and maybe those people introduced domesticated animals, but they weren't the original PIE's (I think they came from the upper Volga area): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khvalynsk_culture
The Scythians were not the original PIEs, the Yamnaya folks were.

[MS85]

The decent chunk of "Baloch" and south Asian-like DNA in the Scythians and Cimmerians is interesting. They really did come from Central Asia.More likely SouthCentral Asia. Eastern Iranian dialects most likely are originally from BMAC (Yaz culture)/Gorgan Culture. Later on Eastern Iranians migrated into the Steppes and mixed with the Euro-Mongoloid natives of the Steppes. The more those people migrated into the west (Europe) the more they mixed and their original Eastern Iranian component from BMAC was diluting.

Scythians and Cimmerians had also a lot 'Middle Eastern' Y-DNA lineages like G2 and J2a.

[MS85]

The Scythians were not the original PIEs, the Yamnaya folks were.Yamnaya was for sure PIEan homeland for modern R1b Europeans. But according to the modern academics Yamnaya was actually just a second stage of PIEans. First stage was somewhere around Leyla-Tepe

[War Chef]

More likely SouthCentral Asia. Eastern Iranian dialects most likely are originally from BMAC (Yaz culture)/Gorgan Culture. Later on Eastern Iranians migrated into the Steppes and mixed with the Euro-Mongoloid natives of the Steppes. The more those people migrated into West (Europe) the more they mixed and their original Eastern Iranian component from BMAC was diluting.

Scythians and Cimmerians had also a lot 'Middle Eastern' Y-DNA lineages like G2 and J2a.

Doesn't need to be south-Central Asia (Afghanistan etc.) to have Baloch/south-Asian show up on their DNA. Actually Keltminar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelteminar_culture) culture of Kazakhstan was probably very similar to modern Iranians genetically, so there was sand-people near north-central Asia also.

[War Chef]

Yamnaya was for sure PIEan homeland for modern R1b Europeans. But according to the modern academics Yamnaya was actually just a second stage of PIEans. First stage was somewhere around Leyla-Tepe

You are right about Yamnaya being staging area "forward base". But the original 1st homeland was probably hunter-gatherers of Khvalynsk culture. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khvalynsk_culture)

[MS85]

Doesn't need to be south-Central Asia (Afghanistan etc.) to have Baloch/south-Asian show up on their DNA. Actually Keltminar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelteminar_culture) culture of Kazakhstan was probably very similar to modern Iranians genetically, so there was sand-people near north-central Asia also.By SouthCentral Asia I don't mean Afghanistan area.

I said BMAC/Gorgan Culture. And Gorgan Culture was located next to the Caspian Sea.

[MS85]

You are right about Yamnaya being staging area "forward base". But the original 1st homeland was probably hunter-gatherers of Khvalynsk culture. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khvalynsk_culture)Second stage PIEans of Yamnaya was mixed between the Steppes and Copper Age Iranian Plateau. But Yamnaya was clearly influenced by the Maykop/Leyla-Tepe cultures. Metallurgy like Arsenic Bronze etc. all came from the south. Also, Yamnaya was R1b and almost 1/2 of Yamnaya auDNA was clearly related to the Copper Age Iranian Plateau.

[War Chef]

Second stage PIEans of Yamnaya was mixed between the Steppes and Copper Age Iranian Plateau. But Yamnaya was clearly influenced by the Maykop/Leyla-Tepe cultures. Metallurgy like Arsenic Bronze etc. all came from the south. Also, Yamnaya was R1b and almost 1/2 of Yamnaya auDNA was clearly related to the Copper Age Iranian Plateau.

I agree, but it wasn't 1/2 it was 1/4...... About Northern vs. Southern genes : Yamnaya plot basically the same as Modern Europeans (even Finns) have Anatolian Neolithic farmer gens which puts them halfway between ancient Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers.

The question is WHO created the PIE language in the Yamnaya, the northerners or the southerners. Maybe it was a hybrid language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_languages

[Dick]

I agree, but it wasn't 1/2 it was 1/4...... About Northern vs. Southern genes : Yamnaya plot basically the same as Modern Europeans (even Finns) have Anatolian Neolithic farmer gens which puts them halfway between ancient Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers.

The question is WHO created the PIE language in the Yamnaya, the northerners or the southerners. Maybe it was a hybrid language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_languages

Either way the only reason why they spread far and wide is because of domestication of horses and wheeled vehicles. Remember that the next time you drive a Mustang

[War Chef]

POST YOUR GEDMATCH COMPARISSONS PEOPLE.

[War Chef]

Either way the only reason why they spread far and wide is because of domestication of horses and wheeled vehicles. Remember that the next time you drive a Mustang

I'm not rich enough (yet) to drive a Indo-European Mustang. I drive a Turkic Honda civic at the moment.

[Cleitus]

I agree, but it wasn't 1/2 it was 1/4...... About Northern vs. Southern genes : Yamnaya plot basically the same as Modern Europeans (even Finns) have Anatolian Neolithic farmer gens which puts them halfway between ancient Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers.

The question is WHO created the PIE language in the Yamnaya, the northerners or the southerners. Maybe it was a hybrid language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_languages

We can say for sure that the original PIE speakers were R1b, while R1a Balts and proto slavs were Indo Europeanised EHG.
The Yamna DNA samples recovered from elite Kurgan graves in southern Russia belonged overwhelmingly to haplogroup R1b-Z2103, the essentially eastern branch of Indo-European R1b. The absence of other main R1b subclades is probably due to the dominance of a single royal or aristocratic lineage among the Yamnayan elite buried in Kurgans. Other R1b subclades did show up in Germany (DF27, U152) and Ireland (L21) when Steppe-derived people reached those regions between 2500 and 2000 BCE. The only non-R1b sample found in Yamna was an I2a2a-L699, a lineage descended from WHG tribes that migrated to Eastern Europe, but came back with the Indo-European migrations and is now found especially in Central and Western Europe.

[Kyp]

POST YOUR GEDMATCH COMPARISSONS PEOPLE.

My father only shares segments with the R1a-z93 scythian strangely enough.

Haven't run all of them though.

[War Chef]

It's probably just Middle-Eastern (west Asian) stuff from the Iranian plateau that leaked onto central Asia. Of course this was unavoidable, and maybe those people introduced domesticated animals, but they weren't the original PIE's (I think they came from the upper Volga area): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khvalynsk_culture

Looks like I was right all along. Only in this case they are suggesting it was a S-E Caucasian (Dagestani?) group that went around the Caspian, up the Volga river uniting their CHG with Khvalysnk EHG.

https://indo-european.eu/2019/08/don-volga-r1b-m269-rich-proto-indo-europeans-of-pre-yamnaya-ancestry/