So, how much Southern European DNA do South Germans have?

[thracian_bro]

This PCA shows West Germans plot (roughly) half way between Northern Italy and NW Europe (England, Netherlands, Ireland, Scandinavia). What about South Germans? Is this a result of mixing or is this just their genome?
http://i.imgur.com/9h3fbPE.jpg

[Coastal Elite]

Not sure about Southern European influence, but most west and south Germans have more Early European Farmer admixture than North Germans. I plot by West Germany on this PCA due to my mix and I have about a 1/4 med influence from my Romanian half.

[thracian_bro]

Not sure about Southern European influence, but most west and south Germans have more Early European Farmer admixture than North Germans. I plot by West Germany on this PCA due to my mix and I have about a 1/4 med influence from my Romanian half.

I'm curious if Southern Germans are basically just a Germanized population rather than a base Germanic one, considering their genetic disparities to base Germanic people. Plus their possible connection to Etruscans (Rhaetia).

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Just genome

[Bellbeaking]

Ya im 1/4 greek 3/4 South British and North French And I plot as West German like Daco Celtic. South Germans are not that different to West Germans on that PCA, there is a cline from Austrian like in Bavaria to French like in the SW. They have some Roman DNA but they mostly plot south due to more native Neolithic DNA from the farmer populations.

[SharpFork]

Eh, to me it would make sense if West Germany basically included the Rhine and Danube regions rather than the whole of West Germany, otherwise Southern Germany would be way too southern, which really doesn't make sense.


I'm curious if Southern Germans are basically just a Germanized population rather than a base Germanic one, considering their genetic disparities to base Germanic people. Plus their possible connection to Etruscans (Rhaetia).
You are exaggerating it, southern Germany was never southern European genetically since the metal ages, if you look at some Bavarian medieval samples you would see a rather Germanic population. AFAIK even phenotypical studies of the 19th century don't support a genetically southern German population, certainly not more than Northern France.

[thracian_bro]

Eh, to me it would make sense if West Germany basically included the Rhine and Danube regions rather than the whole of West Germany, otherwise Southern Germany would be way too southern, which really doesn't make sense.


You are exaggerating it, southern Germany was never southern European genetically since the metal ages, if you look at some Bavarian medieval samples you would see a rather Germanic population. AFAIK even phenotypical studies of the 19th century don't support a genetically southern German population, certainly not more than Northern France.
I'm a bit confused, do you mean if it weren't for the Rhine and Danube regions included in the West German sample, Southern German (which Western German encompasses) would be too far south?

[Ayetooey]

If Y dna is anything to go by, then south germany is less Germanic at around 40-50% Germanic Y dna.

https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_woTfXdFy7YOnf9FeGYECAgoeBd63VKJr.jpg

[Taha232]

Hey Guys, im pure South German, Swabian from the mountain region ofBaden Württemberg and always wondered about my roots since my das had pitch black hair and looked like very Southern European and nothing like a German but he was blonde until the age of 12 and suddenly changed into black. I was mistaken for French and Italian all the time and my sister as Greek, Albanien or even Turkish.

[Taha232]

So I did a DNA Test at myheritage and this we're my results:
35% Southern Italian and Greek
30% English
20% Irish
15% Scandinavian

[Taha232]

So I guess this Southern European is some type of Roman DNA, the English s Anglo Saxon AS gedmatch.com told me and found around British isles, Netherlands and Western Germany. The Irish is actuallly Celtic and they settled everywhere in Europe, where I live are tons of archaeological places of Celts. And the Scandinavian ist some type of Germanic. Although Im 0% actual German. But gedmatch told me that this Mix of Northern and Southern European is Common in regions of France, South Germany and Austria since the Mountains are an isolated place which helped to remain the mixture and didnt wash Out with normal Germans over the centuries.

[thracian_bro]

So I guess this Southern European is some type of Roman DNA, the English s Anglo Saxon AS gedmatch.com told me and found around British isles, Netherlands and Western Germany. The Irish is actuallly Celtic and they settled everywhere in Europe, where I live are tons of archaeological places of Celts. And the Scandinavian ist some type of Germanic. Although Im 0% actual German. But gedmatch told me that this Mix of Northern and Southern European is Common in regions of France, South Germany and Austria since the Mountains are an isolated place which helped to remain the mixture and didnt wash Out with normal Germans over the centuries.

Did you ever plot yourself on this PCA? Just enter your Eurogenes K15 population percentages. The coordinates it generates are pixel locations on the image, open it in MS paint and find the coordinates. https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[SharpFork]

I'm a bit confused, do you mean if it weren't for the Rhine and Danube regions included in the West German sample, Southern German (which Western German encompasses) would be too far south?
yes, my opinion is that West German has to be already South+Central Germany, because if it actually includes the north it would be far too south.


So I did a DNA Test at myheritage and this we're my results:
35% Southern Italian and Greek
30% English
20% Irish
15% Scandinavian
Does the thing lack a German component? Even if it does it seems unlikely you are a "pure" Southern German with those results.

[SharpFork]

So I guess this Southern European is some type of Roman DNA, the English s Anglo Saxon AS gedmatch.com told me and found around British isles, Netherlands and Western Germany. The Irish is actuallly Celtic and they settled everywhere in Europe, where I live are tons of archaeological places of Celts. And the Scandinavian ist some type of Germanic. Although Im 0% actual German. But gedmatch told me that this Mix of Northern and Southern European is Common in regions of France, South Germany and Austria since the Mountains are an isolated place which helped to remain the mixture and didnt wash Out with normal Germans over the centuries.

Yes mountains isolate people, but not for 1500 years and especially not the type of mountains you have in BaWü, which aren't even proper Alps.

[PaleoEuropean]

Not sure about Southern European influence, but most west and south Germans have more Early European Farmer admixture than North Germans. I plot by West Germany on this PCA due to my mix and I have about a 1/4 med influence from my Romanian half.

Early Farmers aren't meds though they are Caucasian/Iranian

[SharpFork]

Early Farmers aren't meds though they are Caucasian/Iranian
What? Then what is Meds? If you exclude that then the Mediterranean region is not even Med itself.

[RenaRyuguu]

A lot and they also have Jewish dna

[PaleoEuropean]

What? Then what is Meds? If you exclude that then the Mediterranean region is not even Med itself.

ENF have very little to do with modern meds, Modern Meds are more related to Levantines and North Africans like Jews and Arabs and are mostly Bronze Age peoples. ENF wont cluster with with the same populations, they will cluster with Caucasian people.

[PaleoEuropean]

What? Then what is Meds? If you exclude that then the Mediterranean region is not even Med itself.

ENF haplgroups are G and my MTDNA H2A1 both are considered Germanic at this point. My haplogroup H2a1 is pretty much only found in large numbers in Scandanavia, Britian, Chechnya Dagestan, Georgia, Armenia, Saudia Arabia and Egypt. It's from the same population my branch is Swedish most likely

[SharpFork]

ENF have very little to do with modern meds, Modern Meds are more related to Levantines and North Africans like Jews and Arabs and are mostly Bronze Age peoples. ENF wont cluster with with the same populations, they will cluster with Caucasian people.
That's just false, just check M897077 from Anatolia. Do you have any autosomal result for a ENF in Europe, Anatolia or anywhere that is clearly that Caucasian?

[PaleoEuropean]

It's pretty well known that their origins are Iranian/Caucasian

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000536

"The pooled European and Near Eastern meta-populations are necessarily overgeneralizations, and there are likely to be subsets of Near Eastern populations that are more similar to the Neolithic population. Interestingly, both the PCA and the MDS plots identified Georgians, Ossetians, and Armenians as candidate populations (Figures 2 and S1)"

Like I said my MTDNA line is ENF, the ENF haplogroups are all Caucasian/Iranian

[SharpFork]

It's pretty well known that their origins are Iranian/Caucasian

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000536

"The pooled European and Near Eastern meta-populations are necessarily overgeneralizations, and there are likely to be subsets of Near Eastern populations that are more similar to the Neolithic population. Interestingly, both the PCA and the MDS plots identified Georgians, Ossetians, and Armenians as candidate populations (Figures 2 and S1)"

Like I said my MTDNA line is ENF, the ENF haplogroups are all Caucasian/Iranian

Haplogroups don't matter in such circumstances, some haplogroups now associated with NOrthern populations came with ENF.

Autosomal DNA is the only thing that matter, especially when it clearly points in a completely different direction compared to volatile Y-DNA.

[Taha232]

yes, my opinion is that West German has to be already South+Central Germany, because if it actually includes the north it would be far too south.


Does the thing lack a German component? Even if it does it seems unlikely you are a "pure" Southern German with those results.

All my grandparents came from this Region, Most from the Swabian Jura in small villages for hundreds of years, thats why I consider myself pure Swabian.

[Taha232]

Yes mountains isolate people, but not for 1500 years and especially not the type of mountains you have in BaWü, which aren't even proper Alps.

I also read and talked with a historian about that. She told me that in the 13th century, the duke of Swabia which included Switzerland was at the same time King of Southern Italy and Greek.

[Adamastor]

ENF have very little to do with modern meds, Modern Meds are more related to Levantines and North Africans like Jews and Arabs and are mostly Bronze Age peoples. ENF wont cluster with with the same populations, they will cluster with Caucasian people.

That's actually false information. ''Med'' DNA from Southern Europe is basically Anatolian Farmer/EEF. Only fringe groups like Cretans and Sicilians have some small affinity with a little more of Iranian/Caucasian type of DNA.

That's even one of the reasons why Southern Europeans are different from Middle Easterners and modern Anatolian populations: the latter absorbed other types of DNA which are absent in Europe (like elevated Iranian, Caucasian and Arabian). The other reason is that Southern Europeans have much more Indo-European ancestry than most Middle Easterners.

[Taha232]

yes, my opinion is that West German has to be already South+Central Germany, because if it actually includes the north it would be far too south.


Does the thing lack a German component? Even if it does it seems unlikely you are a "pure" Southern German with those results.

What do you consider pure ist the question? I know plenty of friends of mine who are so called pure Southern Germans and everyone has got one relative with black hair . The term "pure" means for me that I dont know of anyone else and we survived the holocaust asso called Aryans by paper.

[Taha232]

So I did a DNA Test at myheritage and this we're my results:
35% Southern Italian and Greek
30% English
20% Irish
15% Scandinavian

[QUOTE=SharpFork;6164245]Yes mountains isolate people, but not for 1500 years and especially not the type of mountains you have in BaWü, which aren't even proper Alps.[/Q

I dont know If you have ever been exactly in the Swabian Alps, but everyone in this region knows about villages where cripples are produced, due to inbreed. The soil of the Jura is full of stones, as the Name already reveals. Thats why it's very arid and fruitless there. Its called the Siberia of Germany and one 40,000 year old whistle from ice age was found in a cave up there. As the name says, it is a type of Alp, If you want to recognize it or not. It's pre alpine area. You can google Swabian Alp. So why should they give them this name If it's not even real Alps?!? It's like I would judge you dont have a penis because it's not 10 Inch long. It's still a dick even If there are superior examples.

[PaleoEuropean]

That's actually false information. ''Med'' DNA from Southern Europe is basically Anatolian Farmer/EEF. Only fringe groups like Cretans and Sicilians have some small affinity with a little more of Iranian/Caucasian type of DNA.

That's even one of the reasons why Southern Europeans are different from Middle Easterners and modern Anatolian populations: the latter absorbed other types of DNA which are absent in Europe (like elevated Iranian, Caucasian and Arabian). The other reason is that Southern Europeans have much more Indo-European ancestry than most Middle Easterners.

It's pretty well known that their origins are Iranian/Caucasian

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1000536

"The pooled European and Near Eastern meta-populations are necessarily overgeneralizations, and there are likely to be subsets of Near Eastern populations that are more similar to the Neolithic population. Interestingly, both the PCA and the MDS plots identified Georgians, Ossetians, and Armenians as candidate populations (Figures 2 and S1)"

[Adamastor]

It's pretty well known that their origins are Iranian/Caucasian

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1000536

"The pooled European and Near Eastern meta-populations are necessarily overgeneralizations, and there are likely to be subsets of Near Eastern populations that are more similar to the Neolithic population. Interestingly, both the PCA and the MDS plots identified Georgians, Ossetians, and Armenians as candidate populations (Figures 2 and S1)"

The link you provided doesn't work and there's not a single study claiming South Europeans aren't mostly neolithic Anatolian.

[JQP4545]

Here is one South German's Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.78
2 Baltic 23.39
3 West_Med 17.75
4 East_Med 9.49
5 West_Asian 6.27
6 East_Asian 0.54
7 Red_Sea 0.52
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Northeast_African 0.46
10 Amerindian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.86
2 South_Dutch 4.55
3 French 6.34
4 Austrian 7.39
5 East_German 9.33
6 Southeast_English 10.09
7 North_German 10.55
8 Hungarian 11.43
9 Southwest_English 11.75
10 Orcadian 12.02
11 North_Dutch 12.03
12 Danish 12.04
13 Spanish_Cataluna 13.11
14 Irish 13.12
15 West_Scottish 13.64
16 Serbian 13.94
17 Norwegian 14.06
18 Spanish_Galicia 14.06
19 Portuguese 14.11
20 Swedish 14.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Swedish + 45.1% North_Italian @ 1.9
2 54.3% French + 45.7% Austrian @ 2.11
3 60.4% French + 39.6% East_German @ 2.2
4 83.1% South_Dutch + 16.9% Bulgarian @ 2.26
5 62.7% Southwest_English + 37.3% Bulgarian @ 2.27
6 77% French + 23% South_Polish @ 2.31
7 80.9% South_Dutch + 19.1% Romanian @ 2.35
8 78% South_Dutch + 22% Serbian @ 2.39
9 72.1% Austrian + 27.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.43
10 59% Southwest_English + 41% Romanian @ 2.44
11 64.9% Austrian + 35.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.47
12 82% French + 18% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.49
13 79% French + 21% Ukrainian @ 2.5
14 79.8% French + 20.2% Polish @ 2.54
15 81.9% French + 18.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.57
16 84.4% French + 15.6% Lithuanian @ 2.63
17 93.6% West_German + 6.4% Sardinian @ 2.64
18 82.1% French + 17.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.65
19 82.4% French + 17.6% Belorussian @ 2.66
20 66.5% Southeast_English + 33.5% Bulgarian @ 2.67

[RenaRyuguu]

A LOT. and they have lots of Jew genes as well I know cuz I ain't from there

[SharpFork]

I also read and talked with a historian about that. She told me that in the 13th century, the duke of Swabia which included Switzerland was at the same time King of Southern Italy and Greek.
Why would that matter though?


All my grandparents came from this Region, Most from the Swabian Jura in small villages for hundreds of years, thats why I consider myself pure Swabian.
You are still very atypical if the program you used has a German component(I checked and it doesn't), can you try use something else(Eurogenese, Dodecad)?


What do you consider pure ist the question? I know plenty of friends of mine who are so called pure Southern Germans and everyone has got one relative with black hair . The term "pure" means for me that I dont know of anyone else and we survived the holocaust asso called Aryans by paper.
I doubt it's actual black hair(as opposed to dark brown hair), in any case every population in Europe has dark brown hair, the point is that you seem to be very atypical at least given what we have which can be very well misleading, I don't think the components used make any sense, just use something else if you can. I don't see what's the point of representing Germans by using British islanders or Italian-Greeks considering neither population eve had a relevant impact in the region.


I dont know If you have ever been exactly in the Swabian Alps, but everyone in this region knows about villages where cripples are produced, due to inbreed. The soil of the Jura is full of stones, as the Name already reveals. Thats why it's very arid and fruitless there. Its called the Siberia of Germany and one 40,000 year old whistle from ice age was found in a cave up there. As the name says, it is a type of Alp, If you want to recognize it or not. It's pre alpine area. You can google Swabian Alp. So why should they give them this name If it's not even real Alps?!? It's like I would judge you dont have a penis because it's not 10 Inch long. It's still a dick even If there are superior examples.
Yes I have, the Swabian Alps are not a barrier compared to even mountain ranges in Baden or the actual Alps. You are really exaggerating the situation there, it's a relatively modest, in size and elevation, region without many upswings, you aren't going to preserve a pre-Germanic or unmixed population there, it's ridiculous.
I'm skeptical that people are actually inbreed because of geography, if that was really the case then I'm not sure how people in actual isolated mountains, deserts or tundras survived.


I don't think the conversation can be more fruitful without a better admixture program though.

[XenophobicPrussian]

The link you provided doesn't work and there's not a single study claiming South Europeans aren't mostly neolithic Anatolian.
Not true at all, you're talking out of your ass. The last two Iberian and Italian studies covered by Eurogenes literally covered this, West Iberians have double digit North African and S. Italians have double digit post Anatolian farmer admixture.

That's actually false information. ''Med'' DNA from Southern Europe is basically Anatolian Farmer/EEF. Only fringe groups like Cretans and Sicilians have some small affinity with a little more of Iranian/Caucasian type of DNA.

That's even one of the reasons why Southern Europeans are different from Middle Easterners and modern Anatolian populations: the latter absorbed other types of DNA which are absent in Europe (like elevated Iranian, Caucasian and Arabian). The other reason is that Southern Europeans have much more Indo-European ancestry than most Middle Easterners.
15%+ is not "small affinity".

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LPWAEC3dbAEDu8aBAAcxIOa5CQjuflt0f0cvhCpZ_ME/edit#gid=2101783313

27.9% Iran_N, Natufian, CHG(and Moroccan for Iberians) admixture post-neolithic admixture that can't be accounted for by Yamnaya or Anatolian farmers in South Italians, 20.54% in Greeks, 16.39% in Albanians, 16.8% in Tuscans, 15.49% in Portuguese, 12% in Romanians, 11.81% in Castille y Leon, 11.25% in Serbs, 8.3% in Bergamo Italians. The only southern Europeans with "small affinity" or little to no admixture from them are southern French, north-east Iberians and Croatia and up. Even Austrians have some(2.2%) because of Roman admixture. That isn't even the total number for post-neolithic/steppe MENA admixture because bronze age and modern MENA people themselves have some Anatolian farmer.

You don't realize how overwhelmingly y-dna G and I2 Anatolian farmers/EEFs were, we're talking about less than 5% E/J, now look at a modern map of Y-DNA in southern Europe. Look at any ADMIXTURE graph from a genetic paper that has both Sardinians(closest thing to EEFs) or the farmer samples themselves and other southern Euros, look how different they are.

https://i.imgur.com/ZNUG99O.jpg

[Adamastor]

Not true at all, you're talking out of your ass. The last two Iberian and Italian studies covered by Eurogenes literally covered this, West Iberians have double digit North African and S. Italians have double digit post Anatolian farmer admixture.


West Iberians can range from 0% to 10% North African, they are not homogeneously 9-10% NA. South Italians in this case is mostly made of Sicilians and Calabrians, they are less than 10% of Italy's population. Most of their ancestry is still Anatolian farmer. I didn't said they were only Anatolian farmer, read again.


15%+ is not "small affinity".

Again, Cretans, Sicilians, islanders in general, are a small minority of Southern Europeans. 15% may not be a ''small affinity'', but it's not majority of their ancestry either.


Look at any ADMIXTURE graph from a genetic paper that has both Sardinians(closest thing to EEFs) or the farmer samples themselves and other southern Euros, look how different they are.

I never claimed Southern Europeans are purely neolithic farmer, so I don't see your point tbh. What I said is that Southern Europeans are predominantly neolithic farmer, and it's true as far as we can know for now. Of course they have other stuff Sardinians and early farmers don't have, show me where I said the contrary.

[XenophobicPrussian]

OP:

South Germans cluster around West Germans(from Rheinland-Pfalz)

http://i.imgur.com/occi3pN.png

The differences being South Germans have more Slavic admixture whilist also having more Roman admixture. South Germans aren't on G25 so I can't run you an nMonte model but based on runs I've done with K36 webrunner(can only run modern proxies for ancients with K36 webrunner, not actual ancient samples) South Germans are around 5-10% Roman(lot more EEF than that of course), 7% Slavic and around 50% Germanic, rest being Celtic or Rhaetian/pre-Germanic/Celtic cultures.

[SharpFork]

Not true at all, you're talking out of your ass. The last two Iberian and Italian studies covered by Eurogenes literally covered this, West Iberians have double digit North African and S. Italians have double digit post Anatolian farmer admixture.

15%+ is not "small affinity".

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LPWAEC3dbAEDu8aBAAcxIOa5CQjuflt0f0cvhCpZ_ME/edit#gid=2101783313

27.9% Iran_N, Natufian, CHG(and Moroccan for Iberians) admixture post-neolithic admixture that can't be accounted for by Yamnaya or Anatolian farmers in South Italians, 20.54% in Greeks, 16.39% in Albanians, 16.8% in Tuscans, 15.49% in Portuguese, 12% in Romanians, 11.81% in Castille y Leon, 11.25% in Serbs, 8.3% in Bergamo Italians. The only southern Europeans with "small affinity" or little to no admixture from them are southern French, north-east Iberians and Croatia and up. Even Austrians have some(2.2%) because of Roman admixture. That isn't even the total number for post-neolithic/steppe MENA admixture because bronze age and modern MENA people themselves have some Anatolian farmer.

You don't realize how overwhelmingly y-dna G and I2 Anatolian farmers/EEFs were, we're talking about less than 5% E/J, now look at a modern map of Y-DNA in southern Europe. Look at any ADMIXTURE graph from a genetic paper that has both Sardinians(closest thing to EEFs) or the farmer samples themselves and other southern Euros, look how different they are.

https://i.imgur.com/ZNUG99O.jpg
What is the source of E or J then?

[Taha232]

Why would that matter though?


You are still very atypical if the program you used has a German component(I checked and it doesn't), can you try use something else(Eurogenese, Dodecad)?


I doubt it's actual black hair(as opposed to dark brown hair), in any case every population in Europe has dark brown hair, the point is that you seem to be very atypical at least given what we have which can be very well misleading, I don't think the components used make any sense, just use something else if you can. I don't see what's the point of representing Germans by using British islanders or Italian-Greeks considering neither population eve had a relevant impact in the region.


Yes I have, the Swabian Alps are not a barrier compared to even mountain ranges in Baden or the actual Alps. You are really exaggerating the situation there, it's a relatively modest, in size and elevation, region without many upswings, you aren't going to preserve a pre-Germanic or unmixed population there, it's ridiculous.
I'm skeptical that people are actually inbreed because of geography, if that was really the case then I'm not sure how people in actual isolated mountains, deserts or tundras survived.


I don't think the conversation can be more fruitful without a better admixture program though.

I still dont believe you know the people from there and made friends and know their mentality. My grandparents werent allowed to marry someone outside their district. barely noone ever from abroad had a reason to live there because of the poverty and lack of water. How can 30,000 and 40,000 years old archaeological finds be an exageration? These are facts you want to degrade. I also was never claiming I am pre Germanic, but as my results said, a big junk of South Italian and Greek which is a leftover from a) Roman Empire or b) an Empire in the 13th century. It is obvious that I am mixed genetically wise and I never refused that. Another point is why do you believe Im color blind?!? I know what black means. Black is black and Not dark brown!!! Myheritage showed me the relatives I got and although I got a high Southern European percentage there was only one possible distant relative from Greece popping up. Most relatives (about 120) are besides the US of course, in fact from South Germany and they all got this 20-30% Southern Italy and Greek DNA, hence Im not an exception but rather the norm. Gedmatch told me I could be French, Southern/Western German, Austrian and some other. Most Southern Germans are remarkably darker in appearance than those from the North. So guess where it comes from. No, it's not pre Germanic, but the results of ancient invasions from the Mediterranen which happened around Roman Times or Middle Age thats what I wanted to express.

[Taha232]

I already posted a picture from my dad once but for your sake I will do it again

[Taha232]

I cant Upload my gedmatch results on here at the Moment, but I can list it:

Eurogenes

North Atlantic 38%
Baltic 20%
West Mediterranean 15%
West Asian 10%
East Mediterranean 10%

Dodecat

13% East European
44% West European
26% Mediterranean
12% West Asian

The Rest was small amounts of South Asian 2% Sothwest Asian, American Indian, Red Sea, North East Africa etc

[Taha232]

Here is one South German's Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.78
2 Baltic 23.39
3 West_Med 17.75
4 East_Med 9.49
5 West_Asian 6.27
6 East_Asian 0.54
7 Red_Sea 0.52
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Northeast_African 0.46
10 Amerindian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.86
2 South_Dutch 4.55
3 French 6.34
4 Austrian 7.39
5 East_German 9.33
6 Southeast_English 10.09
7 North_German 10.55
8 Hungarian 11.43
9 Southwest_English 11.75
10 Orcadian 12.02
11 North_Dutch 12.03
12 Danish 12.04
13 Spanish_Cataluna 13.11
14 Irish 13.12
15 West_Scottish 13.64
16 Serbian 13.94
17 Norwegian 14.06
18 Spanish_Galicia 14.06
19 Portuguese 14.11
20 Swedish 14.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Swedish + 45.1% North_Italian @ 1.9
2 54.3% French + 45.7% Austrian @ 2.11
3 60.4% French + 39.6% East_German @ 2.2
4 83.1% South_Dutch + 16.9% Bulgarian @ 2.26
5 62.7% Southwest_English + 37.3% Bulgarian @ 2.27
6 77% French + 23% South_Polish @ 2.31
7 80.9% South_Dutch + 19.1% Romanian @ 2.35
8 78% South_Dutch + 22% Serbian @ 2.39
9 72.1% Austrian + 27.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.43
10 59% Southwest_English + 41% Romanian @ 2.44
11 64.9% Austrian + 35.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.47
12 82% French + 18% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.49
13 79% French + 21% Ukrainian @ 2.5
14 79.8% French + 20.2% Polish @ 2.54
15 81.9% French + 18.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.57
16 84.4% French + 15.6% Lithuanian @ 2.63
17 93.6% West_German + 6.4% Sardinian @ 2.64
18 82.1% French + 17.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.65
19 82.4% French + 17.6% Belorussian @ 2.66
20 66.5% Southeast_English + 33.5% Bulgarian @ 2.67

Thats almost exactly like mine! I told him so, Im not an exception or rare but many other Southern Germans got this mixed type of DNA!!!

[Taha232]

The picture of my face was also classified as Alpine. Why so? Because I live in an pre alpine area and Alpines are a genetic mix of Southern and Northern Europeans, a certain mix only the mountains can remain.8999889997

[21993]

About 25-35%

[Etelfrido]

OP:

South Germans cluster around West Germans(from Rheinland-Pfalz)

http://i.imgur.com/occi3pN.png
Does anyone know if the samples used for German West were from Rhineland-Palatinate only? Is that State genetically more similar to South Germany or to other regions of West Germany? Where were South German samples from?

[Jingle Bell]

I always wondered that, South Germans/Alpine Germanics seens close with the Pre-Germanic samples like Hallsttat/Bohemian Gaul/La Tene/ Raetii as they are from Proto-Germanic like samples:

https://i.imgur.com/NNr4prI.png

sadly, i dont have (and dont remenber if actually theres any) article/study which model Germans, but we can try g25 XD, i think a 3-way model of Germanic + Celtic + Slavic its enough, maybe a 4-Way adding Italo-Balkan.

https://i.imgur.com/GV3zXao.png
g25 its not a very viable tool especially in Northern European models, but anyways seens that they arent that Germanic.

[JerryS.]

So I did a DNA Test at myheritage and this we're my results:
35% Southern Italian and Greek
30% English
20% Irish
15% Scandinavian

MH is a lousy assessor for such things as your results are not even close to Southern German.

Run your G25 against the TA members collection here to see what you get.

[DraviXi99]

1/16 Slavic, 1/8 Roman, 1/2.5 Germanic, 1/2.2 Celtic