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European blood
07-06-2011, 09:44 PM
After President Barack Obama revealed the suspect status of his support for Israel — and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wowed crowds with a sternly-worded address to a special joint session of Congress — some speculated Jewish American support for Obama would wane.

But a new Gallup poll out yesterday shows a large majority still approve of the president.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/05/poll-majority-of-jewish-americans-still-solidly-support-president-obama/

Magister Eckhart
07-07-2011, 06:08 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/05/poll-majority-of-jewish-americans-still-solidly-support-president-obama/

The most basic fallacy of anti-Semites everywhere:

"Jew = Zionist"

This is a false equation. Not every Zionist is a Jew, nor is every Jew a Zionist. In fact, there is an over-representation of heretic Christians in the Zionist camp and an amazing number of Jews who are decidedly pro-Palestinian if not at least anti-Israel.

SwordoftheVistula
07-07-2011, 06:27 AM
Most Jews are pro-Israel and favorable to Zionism, but it's not the #1 issue for most of them. For most of them, liberal social issues on issues like immigration, gay marriage, and 'civil rights' (cultural Marxism) and 'economic justice' (socialism) are far more important. The most fanatic Zionists tend to accede to right wing views on other issues.

Austin
07-07-2011, 06:40 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/05/poll-majority-of-jewish-americans-still-solidly-support-president-obama/


Of course. Israel IS the main issue for Jews in America, they just convince people otherwise.

For instance.

Bill Maher.

Jon Stewart.

CNN

FOX

MSNBC

Jerry Seinfeld

All are never critical of Israel openly so and if they are it is very light. There are tons of instances where they all openly praise Israel. There is a religious blindness to most U.S. Christians in this respect. They see and hear what they want to see and hear because it adds up with their religious views and biases. This does not make their religious-goggle view on the subject any more true, it just means they are going to be extra loud about it and ignorantly and blindly so, as can be seen on this board and many others.

Joe McCarthy
07-07-2011, 06:55 AM
Most Jews are pro-Israel and favorable to Zionism, but it's not the #1 issue for most of them. For most of them, liberal social issues on issues like immigration, gay marriage, and 'civil rights' (cultural Marxism) and 'economic justice' (socialism) are far more important. The most fanatic Zionists tend to accede to right wing views on other issues.

Liberal Jews are not so much pro-Jewish as they are anti-white. When Mort Zuckerman said they'd support Arafat before Buchanan he wasn't kidding.

Austin
07-07-2011, 09:31 AM
The Israel issue is a flawless example of one of the few good Communist leader utterances in history "Religion is poison" from Mao.

The entire Israel issue is corrupting otherwise rational people in the U.S. simply because they see Israel as playing a crucial role to their religious beliefs. They can't see that Israel causes more direct damage to U.S. interests in the Mideast than anything else. Israel is why 9/11 occurred. Israel is why 4000+ U.S. troops are dead. Israel is why London was bombed. Israel is a cancer but they refuse to see it because they think Israel and Jerusalem are a portal for Jesus in the future. That's it in a nutshell. Israel is a horrible, horrible abomination in every way to the U.S. and Israel so much knows this that it runs a YouTube propaganda channel, it directly inserts plants into U.S. media at every level, and actively lobbies Washington.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/Israel?blend=3&ob=5

Ex-Mossad also run this subtle pro-Israel YouTube channel and website which all major U.S. news outlets get much of their coverage from. http://www.youtube.com/user/MEMRITVVideos

http://www.memri.org/

The members of MEMRI's Board of Advisors are:



Bernard Lewis, Professor of Near Eastern Studies Emeritus at Princeton University
Elie Wiesel, Recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, Presidential Medal of Freedom, the U.S. Congressional Gold Medal, and the Medal of Liberty Award
Gen. Michael V. Hayden, retired United States Air Force four-star general and former Director of the National Security Agency and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Jose Maria Aznar, former Prime Minister of Spain
Stephen J. Trachtenberg, President Emeritus and University Professor of Public Service at George Washington University
James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency and Secretary of the Navy
John Bolton, Former US Ambassador to the United Nations
John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General and U.S. Senator (MO)
Ehud Barak, Former Prime Minister of Israel
Irwin Cotler, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
Mort Zuckerman, Chairman and editor-in-chief, U.S. News & World Report
Chin Ho Lee, former FBI Special Agent and Senior Executive of the Hyundai Corporation.
Michael Mukasey, Former U.S. Attorney General and Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York
Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University
Norman Podhoretz, Former editor-in-chief of Commentary Magazine
William Bennett, Former Secretary of Education
Christopher DeMuth, Former President, American Enterprise Institute
Paul Bremer, Former Ambassador to the Netherlands; former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq (de-factor governor)
Lord George Weidenfeld, Former Vice-President, Oxford University Development Program
Yehuda Bauer, Former Director of the International Institute for Holocaust Research at Yad Vashem
Alfred Moses, Former Ambassador to Romania
Herb London, President of the Hudson Institute
Stuart Eizenstat, former ambassador to the European Union
Josef Joffe, Editor-in-Chief of Die Ziet
Natan Sharanksy, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs, Minister without Portfolio
James Q. Wilson, Professor of Public Policy at Pepperdine University
Edgar Bronfman, Former president of the World Jewish Congress, and president of Distillers Corporation-Seagrams Ltd.
Max Kampelman, Recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom; Former Ambassador to the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe
Jana Hybaskova, former Member of the European Parliament and Chairperson of the European Democrats Party (Czech Republic)
Alan Dershowitz, Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, author of 27 works as well as over 100 magazine and journal articles.
Yohanan Friedmann, President Emeritus of Islamic Studies at The Hebrew University
Dr. Khaled Fouad Allam, Algerian sociologist at the University of Trieste (Italy)
Lafif Lakhdar, Tunisian intellectual
Dr. Shaker Al-Nabulsi, Jordanian writer and University Professor
Magdi Khalil, human right activist and Executive Editor of the Egyptian weekly Watani International
Faraj Sarkouhi, former editor of the Iranian literary monthly magazine Adineh

European blood
07-07-2011, 01:20 PM
The most basic fallacy of anti-Semites everywhere:

"Jew = Zionist"

This is a false equation. Not every Zionist is a Jew, nor is every Jew a Zionist. In fact, there is an over-representation of heretic Christians in the Zionist camp and an amazing number of Jews who are decidedly pro-Palestinian if not at least anti-Israel.

That is true not all Zionists are ethnically Jewish but they are Jewish ideologically speaking and sometimes religiously too.

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Usually there are 3 types of Jewish ideologies.

- The Zionist Jew (right wing, neo-con, imperialist war mongers)

- The Bolshevik Jew (cultural marxists, communists, liberals)

- The International Jew (globalist capitalism, financiers, big business and burocrats).

http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/zvb/zvb1.html


Imo a Jew to be pro-white and useful as an ally must be considered an anti-semite viciously against all these three Jewish ideologies and not be a religious Jew or identify himself with his Jewish ancestry or Israel but probably there are exceptions.

Just like Bobby Fischer, Benjamin Freedman or Nathanael Kapner did despite being ethnic Jews they aren't loyal to their tribe.

In the forums you see many Jews identifying themselves as white Jews (religious or secular) saying they want the preservation of Europeans.

You will see Zionist Neo-cons like Mark Steyn speaking against multiculturalism and saving Europe.

You will see in the media leftist Jews like Max Keiser bashing the banks because the people is suffering because of usury.

And you will see international jews like Soros playing in both sides expecting to make a financial gain.

These 3 types of Jews sometimes clash with each others in public some even call each others anti-semites but in private they still are very good Jews and try to defend the Jewish interests and Israel.

Cheesypie
07-07-2011, 06:07 PM
Most Jews are pro-Israel and favorable to Zionism, but it's not the #1 issue for most of them. For most of them, liberal social issues on issues like immigration, gay marriage, and 'civil rights' (cultural Marxism) and 'economic justice' (socialism) are far more important. The most fanatic Zionists tend to accede to right wing views on other issues.

Specifically among diaspora Jews in the west. They tend to rabidly support anything counter-cultural, open-border, and pro-refugee, even if they admit such policies, if practiced in Israel, would not only destroy Israel, but it's Jewish majority. Some go far as to call the result genocide and a new holocaust. I can not see this kind of behavior as anything other than an expression of Jewish low-level anti-white racial warfare. The bulk of them support just about anything destructive to us and our interests, in the name of their interests.

Cheesypie
07-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Liberal Jews are not so much pro-Jewish as they are anti-white. When Mort Zuckerman said they'd support Arafat before Buchanan he wasn't kidding.

Anti-white just happens to be pro-Jewish, in terms of them getting the "diversity" they feel more comfortable in, so in the end, what's the difference? What serves them harms us.

Hess
07-07-2011, 06:22 PM
Anti-white just happens to be pro-Jewish, in terms of them getting the "diversity" they feel more comfortable in, so in the end, what's the difference? What serves them harms us.

I think most Jews feel themselves superior to Europeans and at the same time have contempt for Europe. That said, there are certainly some Jews who are fully integrated into European society and behave completely like Europeans (although they are a minority)

Cheesypie
07-07-2011, 11:17 PM
I think most Jews feel themselves superior to Europeans and at the same time have contempt for Europe. That said, there are certainly some Jews who are fully integrated into European society and behave completely like Europeans (although they are a minority)

I think that depends on the strength of their Jewish identity.

Joe McCarthy
07-08-2011, 12:03 AM
Anti-white just happens to be pro-Jewish, in terms of them getting the "diversity" they feel more comfortable in, so in the end, what's the difference? What serves them harms us.

I don't think what harms us necessarily helps them. Much of what they do is suicidal. Supporting loose immigration controls in a place like France makes little sense if the Muslims terrorize them and cause them to start leaving, for example.

Cheesypie
07-08-2011, 12:30 AM
I don't think what harms us necessarily helps them. Much of what they do is suicidal. Supporting loose immigration controls in a place like France makes little sense if the Muslims terrorize them and cause them to start leaving, for example.

It's not always but often enough. As far as the suicidal part, I can agree, and suspect it has something to do with inherited ages-old hatreds of white Christians. It wouldn't be the first time they've colluded with Muslims to help them invade Europe. And some Jews have indeed left France for Israel for that very reason, by the way.

SwordoftheVistula
07-08-2011, 04:28 AM
I think most Jews feel themselves superior to Europeans and at the same time have contempt for Europe. That said, there are certainly some Jews who are fully integrated into European society and behave completely like Europeans (although they are a minority)

Socially, most have completely integrated into European society, aside from the orthodox. Politically, they still view themselves as jews, and thus have a different worldview than others of the same socio-economic background.


Of course. Israel IS the main issue for Jews in America...All are never critical of Israel openly so and if they are it is very light. There are tons of instances where they all openly praise Israel.

Yes, most of them support Israel, but when it comes down to a choice, the vast majority of them will take a liberal who is not pro-Israel over a conservative who is. For example, in the 2008 election, there was the most pro-Israel candidate ever (John McCain) against Obama (most anti-Israel candidate since Carter) and jews still supported Obama by about a 4-1 ratio.

Cheesypie
07-08-2011, 04:12 PM
If Jews in general don't view whites/Christians as a threat, then the inevitable question arises of why do they so chronically support liberal and left movements, both of which are a great detriment to Western society and the white race?

Hess
07-08-2011, 04:18 PM
If Jews in general don't view whites/Christians as a threat, then the inevitable question arises of why do they so chronically support liberal and left movements, both of which are a great detriment to Western society and the white race?

One thing that I always found interesting is the sharp contrast between the political orientation of Israel and that of Diaspora Jews. Israel is a right wing , hyper militarized country with extremely stringent laws on immigration and drug use. American Jews and European Jews, however, are often even more Liberal than Blacks and Liberal Whites.

Cheesypie
07-08-2011, 04:23 PM
Yes, most of them support Israel, but when it comes down to a choice, the vast majority of them will take a liberal who is not pro-Israel over a conservative who is. For example, in the 2008 election, there was the most pro-Israel candidate ever (John McCain) against Obama (most anti-Israel candidate since Carter) and jews still supported Obama by about a 4-1 ratio.

Which leads to my belief that at least among diaspora Jewry, their historical dislike/distrust for the white majority overrides all else, even if it's not a rational belief and causes other negative consequences.

Likewise, Jews and Jewish groups heavily support amnesty, yet if/when Mexicans become a majority in this country, the ability of the Jewish/Zionist lobby to procure funding for Israel will undoubtedly be greatly diminished. It's like asking Mexicans to care about black slavery and support reparations. It's simply not going to happen.

Cheesypie
07-08-2011, 04:29 PM
One thing that I always found interesting is the sharp contrast between the political orientation of Israel and that of Diaspora Jews. Israel is a right wing , hyper militarized country with extremely stringent laws on immigration and drug use. American Jews and European Jews, however, are often even more Liberal than Blacks and Liberal Whites.

Israel also has anti-miscegenation laws the West hasn't seen since Hitler and Jim Crow. How often do liberal diaspora Jews complain about it? No, they're too busy bitching about white Americans who don't like being overrun by Mexicans.

Kurdi Mede
07-10-2011, 07:20 PM
Why they do? Simple answer, its because Obama doesn't challenge zionism and will never dare to speak out against Israel's actions.:) I feel sorry for the Americans who have to put up with the increasing debts and him not doing anything aout it.

KeinMitleid
07-08-2014, 10:14 PM
Eh. Not surprised.

Yaroslav
07-08-2014, 10:16 PM
Obama was placed in power by the apostate Jew.