Gillian Norris, an exotic Irish woman.

[Sikeliot]

A very exotic Irish woman. Does she have foreign ancestry, or is she just very atypical?

http://www.celticcafe.com/archive/artists/flatley/interviews/gillian_1.jpghttp://users2.ml.mindenkilapja.hu/users/michaelflatley/uploads/Gillian_Norris_4.jpghttp://www.celtic.hu/lordofthedance/pix/gn3.jpg

[Lucretius]

she seems moroccan or algerian.

[Sikeliot]

You'd think so, but I found this on her life;

"Norris was born in Kilmacthomas, County Waterford, Ireland on 29 December 1978 to Mary Norris and Desmond Norris, a carpenter and well-known tenor. Norris is the youngest of five children. She started dancing at the age 10, when her parents signed her up for dance lessons at the Higgins School of Irish Dance in Waterford. She later won the All-Ireland, Great Britain, and British National titles and placed 3rd at the World Championships."


What might explain her looks?

[safinator]

You'd think so, but I found this on her life;

"Norris was born in Kilmacthomas, County Waterford, Ireland on 29 December 1978 to Mary Norris and Desmond Norris, a carpenter and well-known tenor. Norris is the youngest of five children. She started dancing at the age 10, when her parents signed her up for dance lessons at the Higgins School of Irish Dance in Waterford. She later won the All-Ireland, Great Britain, and British National titles and placed 3rd at the World Championships."


What might explain her looks?
Maybe she is one of those Black Irish.

[Lithium]

I think that the people who lived there before the Celtic invasions looked like this. Or at least this is how they are described in the books I read about Ireland.

[GeistFaust]

Brunn + Negroid with Keltic Nordid influences looks like a Quadroon.

[Sikeliot]

So do you guys think she is just the result of local variation, or do you think she has foreign ancestry?

[GeistFaust]

So do you guys think she is just the result of local variation, or do you think she has foreign ancestry?

No way is she one of the Black Irish south of the river Shannon she clearly looks to have foreign ancestry.

[alzo zero]

"Norris was born in Kilmacthomas, County Waterford, Ireland on 29 December 1978 to Mary Norris and Desmond Norris, a carpenter and well-known tenor. Norris is the youngest of five children. She started dancing at the age 10, when her parents signed her up for dance lessons at the Higgins School of Irish Dance in Waterford. She later won the All-Ireland, Great Britain, and British National titles and placed 3rd at the World Championships."
Where does it say that her parents were both white?

[Hess]

If I saw her in Malta, I would believe.

But because she's "Irish", I'm not willing to give her the benefit of the doubt

[alzo zero]

If I saw her in Italy, I would believe.
LOL sure...

http://irishdances.ru/images/Gillian_Norris_pic2.jpg

Maybe Veleda was right about you.

[Hess]

LOL sure...

http://irishdances.ru/images/Gillian_Norris_pic2.jpg

Maybe Veleda was right about you.

I edited it to Malta, no need to get offended:p

[alzo zero]

I edited it to Malta, no need to get offended:p
Where did I say I was offended. I was just pointing out that you were just making shit up about a place you maybe don't know well enough.

For the record, they don't look like mulattoes in Malta either. Maybe next time write "Portugal" instead of "Italy" or "Malta" and let's see if cmariexo (herself an octoroon) thanks your post again. :)

[Wyn]

'The Black Irish south of the River Shannon.'

Christ Almighty, the bullshit you people come out with.

[GeistFaust]

'The Black Irish south of the River Shannon.'

Christ Almighty, the bullshit you people come out with.

The area of Southern Ireland which is near the River Shannon is the area known to possess the Black Irish it is true.

[Hess]

Where did I say I was offended. I was just pointing out that you were just making shit up about a place you maybe don't know well enough.

For the record, they don't look like mulattoes in Malta either. :)

To me, she doesn't look like that much of a Mulatto, and a few Maltese people can get pretty dark.

So I think if she tried very hard, she could pass as an exotic Maltese. That's said, my first guess would have been that she has non Euro admixture.

That said, I would like to be clear- I think she is by no means typical for any European country

[Wyn]

The area of Southern Ireland which is near the River Shannon is the area known to possess the Black Irish it is true.

No.

[Rouxinol]

I would place her in North Africa, probably Morocco, at first. If mulatta, the negroid in her is not that much I would say. Maybe one of her parents or grandparents has some North African/African ancestry. If looking at her she just looks VERY atypical it's safer to suppose she might be mixed. And it wouldn't be surprising I think given Ireland's proximity to a colonial power. I don't know, this is what I make of it...

[Mordid]

I was just pointing out that you were just making shit up about a place you maybe don't know well enough.


Exactly, he need an experience, tho.

[Hess]

Exactly, he need an experience, tho.

http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/kiss-my-ass-1.jpg

[Jack B]

The area of Southern Ireland which is near the River Shannon is the area known to possess the Black Irish it is true.

There is no such thing...

[Peasant]

Not so dark in some photos... camera flash in these, or bad makeup/tan in the others? :P

http://i.imgur.com/HPw45.jpg
http://imgur.com/lu6Ju.jpg

[Mordid]

http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/kiss-my-ass-1.jpg

Mordidlicious...:icon_hungry:

[Hess]

Yeah I think Cmariexo just chose the most woggish photos of her

[GeistFaust]

Not so dark in some photos... camera flash in these, or bad makeup/tan in the others? :P

http://i.imgur.com/HPw45.jpg
http://imgur.com/lu6Ju.jpg

Her eyes look exotic and do not look European.

[Peasant]

I also suspect the OP found out about this person due to this website: http://racialreality.110mb.com/britons.html


Yeah I think Cmariexo just chose the most woggish photos of her

The dark photos are easier to find, probs partially because of internet anthropologists.

[alzo zero]

camera flash in these, or bad makeup/tan in the others?
The first one.

http://image10.webshots.com/11/3/81/86/125238186yRXIkq_ph.jpg

[Curtis24]

The tan makes her look more exotic than she is. I'd say she's pred. Mediterranid.

[Mercury]

I think that the people who lived there before the Celtic invasions looked like this. Or at least this is how they are described in the books I read about Ireland.

It's likely there wasn't a Celtic invasion. Ireland probably became Celtic through trade.

[Curtis24]

It's likely there wasn't a Celtic invasion. Ireland probably became Celtic through trade.

Actually, I call bull on this. First, you're probably referencing the work of Oppenheimer and Sykes - which has actually been invalidated by further research. What they believed to be exclusively "Basque" DNA in fact is common all over Europe.

Second, its contradictory to human nature as well as the historical record. More and more finds show how horrifically violent the Bronze and Iron Ages were. This refers specifically to finds in Iron Age Britain - mass graves filled with the skulls of women and children, indicating genocide, for example.

Furthermore, languages do not spread through trade. People cling to their language proudly, and can only be separated from it by military conquest and domination. Give me one real example of a language spreading through trade. There are none...

Finally, linguistic studies show that proto-Celtic probably originated somewhere in Central Europe. I don't have the expertise to explain or analyze these studies, but perhaps Osweo or someone else can do it, if they feel inclined...

The idea of archeological cultures spreading through peaceful cultural contacts is a comforting idea, but it just doesn't jibe with archeological findings and written historic accounts. Like it or not, human history to this point has been the story of nonstop ethnic-military battle.. and the denial of this reality is one of the main reasons why Western Civilization is in decline.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is an older thread but I think Gillian is very interesting looking. I think she is beautiful but I would be surprised if she just has Irish ancestry. There doesn't appear to be anything that says she is anything other than Irish and that may be the case but she is very untypical. She has huge eyes. I think her hair was permed for Lord of the Dance because all the girls had the same hairstyle. Does anyone think she might has some ancestry from India? I think the permed hair makes her look more African influenced. She reminds me a some Indian girls I know. She's a lovely looking girl anyway.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/734715_593676310647293_1868015641_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420256_666811113333812_1522915404_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64611_593675147314076_843604465_n.jpg

Here she is with straight hair.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/14867_593676270647297_54870051_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/549771_593675050647419_1013114783_n.jpg

Gillian in a wig.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/293115_666811186667138_119088897_n.jpg

[Trun]

Maybe her mom cheated with an Iberian plumber :rolleyes:

Seriously, I think she can be ethnic Irish. They have their wogs, even more than some Central Europeans.

[Gaston]

There is nothing negroid about her, it's insane what people want to see! But she kinda look Gypsy or North African.

[Insuperable]

Looks like an intruder in Irish population

Pics of her parents?

[Grace O'Malley]

Maybe her mom cheated with an Iberian plumber :rolleyes:

Seriously, I think she can be ethnic Irish. They have their wogs, even more than some Central Europeans.

Her look is very unusual otherwise people wouldn't think anything about it e.g. Colin Farrell and Andrea Corr look Irish despite being brown eyed and dark haired. Gillian is definitely very exotic looking.

[Graham]

Have seen Gypsy travelers, that look like her.

[Grace O'Malley]

There is nothing negroid about her, it's insane what people want to see! But she kinda look Gypsy or North African.

I don't think she looks negroid either but she has large eyes like a lot of Indian women which is a beautiful characteristic. It would not be impossible for her to have some Indian ancestry. A former Miss Ireland Andrea Roche has an Indian grandmother but Andrea looks Irish.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01707/mod_1707035a.jpg

Leo Varadkar is an Irish politician who has an Indian father.

http://s1.thejournal.ie/media/2012/08/leo-varadkar-7-390x285.jpghttp://www.breakingnews.ie/media/images/l/leoVaradkarChinUp_large.jpg

[Jackson]

You'd think so, but I found this on her life;

"Norris was born in Kilmacthomas, County Waterford, Ireland on 29 December 1978 to Mary Norris and Desmond Norris, a carpenter and well-known tenor. Norris is the youngest of five children. She started dancing at the age 10, when her parents signed her up for dance lessons at the Higgins School of Irish Dance in Waterford. She later won the All-Ireland, Great Britain, and British National titles and placed 3rd at the World Championships."


What might explain her looks?

Hmm she looks foreign to Ireland, but maybe just a combination of unusual looks, it does happen now and again!

[Grace O'Malley]

Hmm she looks foreign to Ireland, but maybe just a combination of unusual looks, it does happen now and again!

Like Robert Sheehan. I've seen his family and they all look less exotic than him. It would be great to see Gillian's parents and also know what her mother's maiden name is.

[Graham]

Btw. Her hair, isn't unusual. Have seen folk, with similar hair, & skin tone(rare).

It's her big eyes, in combination with her face shape, that stands out. Added With the other features.

[Cleitus]

The people that lived there before the Gaelic invasion were related to Pelasgians that explains her Look.

[Jackson]

Btw. Her hair, isn't unusual. Have seen folk, with similar hair, & skin tone(rare).

It's her big eyes, in combination with her face shape, that stands out. Added With the other features.

That's true. A friend of mine had similar hair, olive-ish skin and hazel eyes and he was just of Scottish and English descent.

[Grace O'Malley]

Btw. Her hair, isn't unusual. Have seen folk, with similar hair, & skin tone(rare).

It's her big eyes, in combination with her face shape, that stands out. Added With the other features.

Exactly.

[Sikeliot]

She almost looks like some Canarian Spanish people and Puerto Ricans too.

[Grace O'Malley]

The people that lived there before the Gaelic invasion were related to Pelasgians that explains her Look.

All the invasions in Ireland didn't make a very big dint to the original people. The majority are blue eyed and fair skinned and that's not from any invasions. They've had less outside genetic input then their neighbouring island Britain.

[Sikeliot]

In this picture especially there is something Iberian in her but she also has a component that cannot be explained by Iberia either

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64611_593675147314076_843604465_n.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

In this picture especially there is something Iberian in her but she also has a component that cannot be explained by Iberia either

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64611_593675147314076_843604465_n.jpg

She has very large eyes. She looks exotic even for a Turkish person. There is no information on her mother's maiden name that I could find.

[Sikeliot]

She doesn't look Turkish but rather something archaic SW Med.

[Grace O'Malley]

She doesn't look Turkish but rather something archaic SW Med.

So she could probably be of full Irish ancestry then?

[Sikeliot]

So she could probably be of full Irish ancestry then?

Yes.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

Great. Nice to see some exotic Irish girls like her. :thumb001:

[Anthropologique]

Gillian is not the first Irish I've seen with her appearance, although she is not common. DNA behaves randomly, so variation is expected. One can cluster with X population but only show a few phenotypical characteristics of such, or sometimes many.

[Anthropologique]

Great. Nice to see some exotic Irish girls like her. :thumb001:

Irish women are exceptionally attractive, even without "exotic" types. :cool:

[Grace O'Malley]

Irish women are exceptionally attractive, even without "exotic" types. :cool:

I think Gillian has lovely eyes. Her eyes remind me a bit of Anne Hathaway being so large.

[Anthropologique]

Indeed! Quite a cute one.

[WOOHP]

Spanish Armada Irish. Probably, or something like that.

[Roy]

Oh well she is exotic - that's true; similar looking to some Greek women.

[Smeagol]

Descended From Spanish sailors in the 1500s. I believe that's the origin of the black Irish. Can pass in Morocco.

[B01AB20]

Descended From Spanish sailors in the 1500s. I believe that's the origin of the black Irish. Can pass in Morocco.

hi horatio :D, I see that since yesterday you have recovered your usual mood for trolling iberians, nice boy.

what was the matter with you yesterday, maybe PMS?

[Graham]

You shouldn't read into the Spanish Armada thing. It's a load of rubbish.

[WOOHP]

You shouldn't read into the Spanish Armada thing. It's a load of rubbish.

Well. Their number is probably overestimated, but nevertheless there was a settlement in Ireland and a small inpact.

[curupira]

Wikipedia does not mentione any foreign ancestry...


Norris was born in Kilmacthomas, County Waterford, Ireland on 29 December 1978 to Mary Norris and Desmond Norris, a carpenter and well-known tenor. Norris is the youngest of five children. She started dancing at the age 10, when her parents signed her up for dance lessons at the Higgins School of Irish Dance in Waterford. She later won the All-Ireland, Great Britain, and British National titles and placed 3rd at the World Championships.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillian_Norris

[Grace O'Malley]

Well. Their number is probably overestimated, but nevertheless there was a settlement in Ireland and a small inpact.

Most stories about the Spanish Armada sailors are a myth. The numbers that survived were tiny and not enough to have any effect on the Irish genepool. The only people that have settled Ireland in large amounts are the English, Scots and Welsh. I'm not sure of the numbers of Vikings and Normans but the preceding groups are by far the largest settlers in Ireland.


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1094/who-are-the-black-irish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada_in_Ireland

[Graham]

If you were a Spaniard. Why would you stay in a wet peaty land of poverty,of West Ireland & West Scotland. With Potatoes for Breakfast, lunch & dinner.

When they could go home, to their families.

[WOOHP]

Most stories about the Spanish Armada sailors are a myth. The numbers that survived were tiny and not enough to have any effect on the Irish genepool. The only people that have settled Ireland in large amounts are the English, Scots and Welsh. I'm not sure of the numbers of Vikings and Normans but the preceding groups are by far the largest settlers in Ireland.


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1094/who-are-the-black-irish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada_in_Ireland


The Spanish Armada in Ireland refers to the landfall made upon the coast of Ireland in September 1588 of a large portion of the 130-strong fleet sent by Philip II to invade England.
Following its defeat at the naval battle of Gravelines, the Armada had attempted to return home through the North Atlantic, when it was driven from its course by violent storms and toward the west coast of Ireland. The prospect of a Spanish landing alarmed the Dublin government of Queen Elizabeth I, and harsh measures were prescribed for both the Spanish invaders and any Irish who might assist them.
Up to 24 ships of the Armada were wrecked on a rocky coastline spanning 500 km, from Antrim in the north to Kerry in the south, and the threat to Crown authority was readily defeated. Many of the survivors of the multiple wrecks were put to death, and the remainder fled across the sea to Scotland. It is estimated that 5,000 members of the fleet perished in Ireland.
That's just what we know. Other "rather" recent influences in the Irish gene pool shouldn't be ruled out.

Well anyways, she doesn't look Irish at all. Most dark Irish still look very Northwestern. Got to be something, we don't know her genealogy.

[Grace O'Malley]

All the girls in those shows have the same curled hair.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnTq52YXXzc

[Anthropologique]

All the girls in those shows have the same curled hair.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnTq52YXXzc

Curly hair is not that uncommon in Ireland. You even find curly hair in Scandinavian countries. Seriously ...

[Graham]

Permed hair, wasn't that the in-thing for the eighties. But this is what late ninties?

[Grace O'Malley]

Curly hair is not that uncommon in Ireland. You even find curly hair in Scandinavian countries. Seriously ...

The girls in these shows have their hair artificially curled. It isn't their natural hair texture. Plenty of Irish have wavy hair but very curly hair is not common.

[Anthropologique]

Most stories about the Spanish Armada sailors are a myth. The numbers that survived were tiny and not enough to have any effect on the Irish genepool. The only people that have settled Ireland in large amounts are the English, Scots and Welsh. I'm not sure of the numbers of Vikings and Normans but the preceding groups are by far the largest settlers in Ireland.


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1094/who-are-the-black-irish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada_in_Ireland

You would have needed ~ 1 million stranded Spaniards who remained in Ireland for the Irish genome to have been impacted.

[Anthropologique]

The girls in these shows have their hair artificially curled. It isn't their natural hair texture. Plenty of Irish have wavy hair but very curly hair is not common.

Yes, I noticed they all have curly hair. LOL. Yes more wavy than curly.

[Anthropologique]

If you were a Spaniard. Why would you stay in a wet peaty land of poverty,of West Ireland & West Scotland. With Potatoes for Breakfast, lunch & dinner.

When they could go home, to their families.

Unless you were form Galicia or N. Portugal. LOL!

[Damião de Góis]

That's just what we know. Other "rather" recent influences in the Irish gene pool shouldn't be ruled out.

Well anyways, she doesn't look Irish at all. Most dark Irish still look very Northwestern. Got to be something, we don't know her genealogy.

I don't find her spanish looking either. I bet if she did 23andme she would come out all irish.

[MobyD]

Bump

[Uranous]

Alpine med (just Early european farmer)