Split: Abstract Art vs. "Real" Art

[Grumpy Cat]

Aqua in Bath is listed, which is literally two minutes walk from where I live, offering fixed price for £11.50 before 7pm.

I notice that they are no longer on the list for 2011, but isn't that too cheap for one of the best restaurants in the world? :eek:

The list was probably compiled by rich pretentious fucks. You know, the same kind of people who like abstract art and think Punch Drunk Love was a good movie. When "poor" people started eating there, they decided to remove it.

[Eldritch]

...

You know, the same kind of people who like abstract art and think Punch Drunk Love was a good movie.

http://art.1stdibs.com/archivesE/art/upload/34/994/Tworkov_Idling_II_5884_JT101.jpg

Idling II
Jack Tworkov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Tworkov)
Oil on canvas
1970

:love:

[Grumpy Cat]

:lol: That looks like bathroom tile.

[Eldritch]

:lol: That looks like bathroom tile.

Well, now that you mention it ... :p

I'm really quite serious about loving the unpretentious serenity in Tworkov's art, though.

[Grumpy Cat]

Well, now that you mention it ... :p

I'm really quite serious about loving the unpretentious serenity in Tworkov's art, though.

Eh. I don't see abstract art as real art. It's usually propped up by pretentious rich cultural Marxist whites who stick it to traditional European forms of art.

Real art:

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/1346673_f520.jpg

http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/images/skullbook.jpg

And this is a Canadian artist:

http://www.heffel.com/images/Lots/350/A08F-E06201-001-02.jpg

And traditional art of non-European cultures is better than abstract art too.

African art:

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/senegal35.jpg

Aboriginal Canadian art:

http://www.canadianwestcoastart.com/images/pics/eagle-salmon.jpg

Japanese art:

http://www.okpainting.com/upload/Oil/bigimg/World_Culture/Japanese_art/JP108C.JPG

Oh yes, and I am an artist myself. I cannot stand abstract art or abstract artists.

[Amapola]

http://www.canadianwestcoastart.com/images/pics/eagle-salmon.jpg
This looks a bit like "surrealist" art though :P

[Grumpy Cat]

http://www.canadianwestcoastart.com/images/pics/eagle-salmon.jpg
This looks a bit like "surrealist" art though :P

It's not scribbles or paint thrown at a canvas, or a crucifix dipped in urine, like most abstract "art" is.

Seriously, anybody could become an abstract artists, even if they had no talent. They just have to throw paint at a canvas and then claim in conveys some kind of emotional pain, and those pretentious idiots would be like "yeah, I see it!" Then they fork over thousands of dollars for these "paintings", which is even more hilarious. :lol:

I almost went to the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design (one of the most prestigious art schools in Canada), I was sent to a camp there for gifted artists in high school... but there were too many of those weirdos floating around, plus, I figured it wasn't a good idea to rack up student loans on art school because I'd never be able to pay them back.

So, I got a real education, now I have a real job and do my art on my spare time.

[antonio]

Seriously, anybody could become an abstract artists, even if they had no talent. They just have to throw paint at a canvas and then claim in conveys some kind of emotional pain, and those pretentious idiots would be like "yeah, I see it!" :lol:

Dont miss the point: first of all, you should make a reputation of Realism, like for example, Picasso who at 16 y.o. was probably at pair with Renaissance masters, then you can switch to Abstraction or whatever you want. Although, of course, that's the hard way not much are capable or ethical enough to follow. Specially at these grotesque times when preschool children and even skilled chimps are praised at generalistic TV news as true geniouses of Painting.:coffee:

[Grumpy Cat]

Dont miss the point: first of all, you should make a reputation of Realism, like for example, Picasso who at 16 y.o. was probably at pair with Renaissance masters, then you can switch to Abstraction or whatever you want. Although, of course, that's the hard way not much are capable or ethical enough to follow. Specially at these grotesque times when preschool children and even skilled chimps are praised at generalistic TV news as true geniouses of Painting.:coffee:

Wait a minute: are you comparing shit like Pisschrist to Picasso???

Picasso had talent. His paintings are beautiful, even his abstract ones.

I'm talking about shit like this:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2539/3822660988_a46e51d271_o.jpg

What the fuck is that?

[antonio]

Indeed you're right. And that painting is a good sample of what's going on: obviously (at least for me) it looks pleasant to the eye. But, today more than ever, what's the real talent it toke? Maybe (Id bet for it) that's just the best result of a computer algoritm. That kind of art software it's a interesting but unethical field. I never was into it, but i can recall that, sometimes, at programming a kind of 2D demo (to maybe become a game) it rendered some erroneous scenes but worthy to be saved as snapshots. Are those art? Obviously not. That's a big challenge of today: cheaters have infinite possibilities they never had before. For not to talk about Photoshop "paintings" from photos, I guess 99% of people remain unaware of the cheap trick.

[Peasant]

I have a dislike of Howard Hodgkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hodgkin). And I guess I dislike a ton of abstract art.

[Kadu]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2539/3822660988_a46e51d271_o.jpg

What the fuck is that?


An exercise, a chromatic composition. About what, I don't know, however that is irrelevant.
I would have to know the author, to know the theme, his intentions, etc.... in order to know it.
A painting is either figurative or simply a chromatic composition on a canvas, in the former its meaning is universal for it is a representation, a window to the world in Piranesi's words, in later it is very personal, geometrical, abstract, it depends on a series of values which are controlled by the author.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Abstract "art" is ridiculous in my opinion: there is nothing interesting or beautiful about a bunch of random images put together without any seemingly logic. Anyone can do abstract "art"...

[Smaland]

http://images.buyitsellit.com/2045292_290.jpg
Louis Nye as "Stanislas" (at right, on the tricycle) creates an abstract painting in The Wheeler Dealers (1963). :D

[_______]

i adore surrealism but i hate abstract expressionism. all art should have some figurative aspect imo, and yet should not be limited by reality

[Aces High]

I dont know much about art,but i know what i dig.;)

Having said that,ill look at anything that is interesting,as for the realist school.....go and look at real life on any street corner and see what a dismal fucking world it is.

[Dombra]

I like art that is "2deep2u" but most abstract art is just boring. Traditional art is beautiful and I like modern art that is surrealist etc. but none of the splashes of paint on a spoon.

[Kazimiera]

---> Moved to Art and Culture

[Arbërori]

I was just thinking about this the other day, I'm personally more fond of ''Real'' and let's say defined art than Abstract... But I'm glad that there are so many ways one can define themselves & their view on the outer world through art, to each his own personal taste I guess.

[Methusalem]

I like Max Ernst and Salvador Dali. Surrealism is real ART!

http://pctrs.network.hu/clubpicture/9/6/5/_/salvador_dali_szerint-001_965468_69675.JPG

http://www.antiquity.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Dali-sleep.jpg

http://uploads5.wikipaintings.org/images/max-ernst/illustration-to-mainacht-in-wien-leo-perutz.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hYm8RNWicyI/TkWI4jX153I/AAAAAAAAA4c/8tM6xEC95Q8/s1600/max-ernst-lange-du-foyer.jpg

http://uploads3.wikipaintings.org/images/max-ernst/the-eye-of-silence-1943.jpg

http://www.antiquity.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dali-art-salvador-dali.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XR5c7mLSj3w/TSft3g-uyYI/AAAAAAAAAsk/Wb7ZN5l_Iyc/s1600/the_persistence_of_memory_1931_salvador_dali.jpg

[Kazimiera]

I love Art Noveau. Alphonse Mucha is my favourite.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-I_-KBqZcv3A/T8WBGN5AyzI/AAAAAAAAAFo/W2etrR0uNfw/s1600/alphonse-mucha-6.jpg

http://www.bohemia-apartments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/alfons-mucha-painting.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcgmchXiw81qds4bko1_1280.jpg

[Han Cholo]

Surrealism and psychedellic art is awesome. "Abstract" vomiting in canvas is not. Pisschrists are more debatable.

[Aredhel]

I like abstract art, one of my favorite is Jackson Pollock.

Her paintings are extremely chaotics but I love them.

http://emuseum2.guggenheim.org/media/full/54.1408_ph_web.jpg

http://emuseum2.guggenheim.org/media/full/76.2553.145_ph_web.jpg

http://emuseum2.guggenheim.org/media/full/76.2553.149_ph_web.jpg

http://emuseum2.guggenheim.org/media/full/2004.63_ph_webrep.jpg

[AlbionMyway]

Pollock's bollocks. The worst, most wretchedly poor abstractionist, however, is Cy Twombly.

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I once saw some 'works' by Cy Twombly straight after seeing a magnificent John Atkinson Grimshaw exhibition, and it really drove home how bereft of depth, beauty and spirit this abstract crap can be. The Grimshaw works, by contrast were so full of reality, but also mystery, atmosphere and beauty, that is insulting that something like a Twombly can be put in the same category as 'art'.
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[Methusalem]

I like Jean-Michel Basquiat's paintings.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/915113/thumbs/o-JEAN-MICHEL-BASQUIAT-BIRTHDAY-570.jpg?6
http://visionaryartistrymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jean-michel-basquiat-picture.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h2TxNGixHuU/TVyum4mOzaI/AAAAAAAAAKM/eADtW9P2nuk/s1600/1389_jean_michel_basquiat_falle.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e1/Untitled_acrylic_and_mixed_media_on_canvas_by_--Jean-Michel_Basquiat--,_1984.jpg/300px-Untitled_acrylic_and_mixed_media_on_canvas_by_--Jean-Michel_Basquiat--,_1984.jpg

[AlbionMyway]

Those look like the tortured scribbling of a mentally disturbed six year old. No sane person could enjoy looking at such stuff. (Only someone with mass-murderers in their signature) ;)

[Methusalem]

Those look like the tortured scribbling of a mentally disturbed six year old. No sane person could enjoy looking at such stuff. (Only someone with mass-murderers in their signature) ;)

I know this is too sophisticated for narrow-minded philistines.

[AlbionMyway]

No, it's just pretentious bullshit for pseudo-intellectual poseurs, whose only argument is plagiarised from 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.

[Methusalem]

No, it's just pretentious bullshit for pseudo-intellectual poseurs, whose only argument is plagiarised from 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.

I know your kind :rolleyes:.
In your backward mind of a philistine, everything what is considered postmodern, avant garde art is degenerative, simple, liberal pseudo-art. In fact you are unwittingly not against the artwork by itself but against the socio-cultural milieus(post-materialism) which support postmodern art. It is the dislike of an uptight, bourgeois Philistine.

[AlbionMyway]

I know your kind, too. So did the author of 'Communist Goals'. http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

I'm no more afraid of the word 'Philistine' from a subversive culture-wrecker than I am 'racist' from a vicious anti-white.

[Shkembe Chorba]

Abstract art should be banned and criminalized. Zero tolerance to non-estetic pseudo art.

Abstrationism is a bad teacher.

[meera]

Abstract Art is really an innovative idea in the world of art that makes the people happy and impressive as everyone wants a change in every field. "Real" Art has its own originality and can never lose its worth because the art lovers always demanded their own satisfaction in Art.

[Methmatician]

Surreal art defeats all, but abstract art is art. Art can't be regulated.

[Cygnus]

Although much modern art including most 'abstract' stuff, is certainly degeneracy, not all of it is without a certain interest. But much of what we'd consider great paintings, sculptures and music from the renaissance to the 1900s show increasing degeneracy, due to western man's decreasing spiritual integrity. I'm not saying it's all bad or must be discarded, but elements of the sacred gradually disappeared. I should make it clear that I am not exalting Christianity, but values that transcend that form. The more loathsome examples of today are just possibilities that follow from the decline of the higher principle.