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Mingle
08-07-2019, 07:31 PM
I only have two so far, they're both from Western Sandžak and score like typical Montenegrins, which is what you'd expect given that Western Sandžak Muslims have origins from there.

Sjenica (Zlatibor)

Eurogenes K13

Population :
North_Atlantic 21.89
Baltic 27.05
West_Med 17.93
West_Asian 10.19
East_Med 18.15
Red_Sea 2.57
Amerindian 1.05
Oceanian 0.53
Sub-Saharan 0.64

Population (source) - Distance
1 Romanian 3.65
2 Bulgarian 3.68
3 Serbian 5.66
4 Moldavian 9.65
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.08
6 Croatian 12.51
7 Hungarian 13.33
8 Austrian 16.54
9 Tuscan 17.69
10 North_Italian 17.7
11 East_German 18.08
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.84
13 Italian_Abruzzo 18.9
14 Central_Greek 19.09
15 South_Polish 19.84
16 Ukrainian 20.09
17 West_Sicilian 20.13
18 East_Sicilian 20.3
19 West_German 21.08
20 French 21.52



Sjenica (Zlatibor) & Novi Pazar (Rashka)

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26
2 Baltic 24.89
3 West_Med 19.84
4 East_Med 17
5 West_Asian 7.93
6 Red_Sea 2.96
7 South_Asian 1.39
8 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.46
2 Serbian 4.88
3 Bulgarian 6.27
4 Moldavian 10.95
5 Hungarian 12.15
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.57
7 Croatian 12.96
8 North_Italian 13.82
9 Austrian 13.97
10 Tuscan 15.27
11 East_German 15.78
12 French 17.02
13 West_German 17.48
14 Portuguese 17.87
15 Spanish_Galicia 18.12
16 Italian_Abruzzo 18.43
17 South_Dutch 18.77
18 Spanish_Extremadura 19.09
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.14
20 West_Sicilian 19.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.9% Serbian + 11.1% Sardinian @ 1.75
2 54.2% Croatian + 45.8% Tuscan @ 2.03
3 57.8% Tuscan + 42.2% Ukrainian @ 2.18
4 63.1% Tuscan + 36.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.34
5 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.36
6 63.5% Tuscan + 36.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.42
7 67.6% Tuscan + 32.4% Lithuanian @ 2.43
8 62.1% Tuscan + 37.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.52
9 61.7% Tuscan + 38.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.52
10 58.6% Moldavian + 41.4% Tuscan @ 2.53
11 60.1% Croatian + 39.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
12 55.9% Greek_Thessaly + 44.1% East_German @ 2.83
13 61% Tuscan + 39% Polish @ 2.88
14 64.1% Tuscan + 35.9% Belorussian @ 2.92
15 55.1% West_Sicilian + 44.9% Polish @ 2.98
16 78% Serbian + 22% North_Italian @ 3.06
17 87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Southwest_French @ 3.08
18 51% West_Sicilian + 49% South_Polish @ 3.08
19 51.9% West_Sicilian + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.08
20 57% Tuscan + 43% South_Polish @ 3.11

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.33
2 West_Med 15.86
3 Baltic 15.38
4 East_Med 13.86
5 Atlantic 13.81
6 Eastern_Euro 8.72
7 West_Asian 7.97
8 Red_Sea 2.82
9 South_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.42
2 Romanian 6.71
3 Bulgarian 8.69
4 Moldavian 10.72
5 Hungarian 10.74
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.38
7 Croatian 12.62
8 Austrian 12.72
9 North_Italian 13.56
10 Tuscan 14.27
11 East_German 14.38
12 Greek 14.56
13 French 15.23
14 Spanish_Galicia 15.62
15 West_German 15.84
16 Portuguese 16.54
17 South_Dutch 16.9
18 Italian_Abruzzo 17.37
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.43
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.2% Greek_Thessaly + 43.8% East_German @ 3.13
2 51.6% Hungarian + 48.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.3
3 67.8% Greek_Thessaly + 32.2% North_Swedish @ 3.86
4 68.1% Greek_Thessaly + 31.9% Swedish @ 4.09
5 67% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.1
6 68.7% Greek_Thessaly + 31.3% Norwegian @ 4.35
7 65.4% Hungarian + 34.6% East_Sicilian @ 4.41
8 64.6% Hungarian + 35.4% Central_Greek @ 4.42
9 68% Greek_Thessaly + 32% Finnish @ 4.42
10 68.5% Hungarian + 31.5% South_Italian @ 4.44
11 71.9% Hungarian + 28.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.62
12 55.5% Tuscan + 44.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.63
13 57% Tuscan + 43% Ukrainian @ 4.73
14 70.7% Greek_Thessaly + 29.3% West_Norwegian @ 4.74
15 58.3% Hungarian + 41.7% Tuscan @ 4.76
16 73.2% Hungarian + 26.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.8
17 58.5% Moldavian + 41.5% Tuscan @ 4.95
18 63.4% Greek_Thessaly + 36.6% Ukrainian @ 4.96
19 64.9% Hungarian + 35.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.99
20 71.7% Serbian + 28.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.99

puntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 36.66
2 SW_Europe 34.98
3 West_Asia 17.21
4 SW_Asia 8.25
5 South_Asia 2.46
6 South_Africa 0.23
7 Siberia 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.68
2 Montenegrin 2.88
3 Romanian 2.99
4 Bulgarian 3.79
5 Macedonian 3.97
6 Bosnian 6.49
7 Croatian 8.22
8 Moldavian 8.25
9 Kosovar 9.21
10 Albanian 10.16
11 Italian_Tuscan 10.69
12 Hungarian 10.7
13 French 10.85
14 Greek_Thessaly 10.87
15 Italian_Bergamo 10.89
16 Slovene 11.39
17 German_South 11.46
18 Belgian 12.39
19 Slovak 13.02
20 English 13.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Romanian + 21.1% French @ 0.77
2 75.6% Bulgarian + 24.4% Slovene @ 1.01
3 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Swedish @ 1.01
4 86.7% Bulgarian + 13.3% Belarusian @ 1.05
5 82% Bulgarian + 18% German_North @ 1.07
6 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Slovak @ 1.07
7 84.7% Bulgarian + 15.3% Norwegian @ 1.09
8 69.2% Bulgarian + 30.8% Moldavian @ 1.09
9 56.5% Moldavian + 43.5% Italian_Tuscan @ 1.1
10 89.7% Bulgarian + 10.3% Estonian @ 1.1
11 90.2% Bulgarian + 9.8% Lithuanian @ 1.15
12 83.3% Bulgarian + 16.7% Ukrainian @ 1.15
13 74.6% Bulgarian + 25.4% Hungarian @ 1.16
14 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Polish @ 1.18
15 90.4% Bulgarian + 9.6% Latvian @ 1.19
16 81.3% Bulgarian + 18.7% Utahn_European @ 1.21
17 89.3% Romanian + 10.7% French_Basque @ 1.24
18 55.3% Moldavian + 44.7% Albanian @ 1.3
19 82.1% Romanian + 17.9% Belgian @ 1.31
20 88.8% Bulgarian + 11.2% Russian @ 1.31

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 34.69
2 Atlantic_Med 29.89
3 Caucasus 20.97
4 Southwest_Asian 6.8
5 Gedrosia 6.37
6 South_Asian 0.74
7 Northwest_African 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 8.96
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.35
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.86
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.08
5 Hungarians (Behar) 14.19
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.73
7 German (Dodecad) 16.86
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.76
9 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.79
10 French (Dodecad) 18.02
11 French (HGDP) 18.17
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.56
13 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.92
14 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.67
15 Greek (Dodecad) 20.24
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.6
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.04
18 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.33
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.39
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 22.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.3% German (Dodecad) + 29.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.27
2 61.5% German (Dodecad) + 38.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
3 59.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 40.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.57
4 61.5% German (Dodecad) + 38.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.69
5 57.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 42.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.02
6 57.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 42.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.19
7 50.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.2
8 60.6% German (Dodecad) + 39.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.28
9 54.6% German (Dodecad) + 45.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.29
10 50.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.8% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.35
11 65.8% German (Dodecad) + 34.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.4
12 51.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.41
13 59.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 40.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.42
14 50.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.44
15 50.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.58
16 60.6% German (Dodecad) + 39.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.59
17 51.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.79
18 64.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.7% French (HGDP) @ 2.84
19 73.4% German (Dodecad) + 26.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.84
20 75.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.85

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.55
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 30.03
3 European_Early_Farmers 26.21
4 South_Central_Asian 6.69
5 Near_East 3.26
6 South_Indian 1.32
7 Ancestral_Altaic 0.71
8 Archaic_Human 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_North ( ) 6.92
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.51
3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 9.06
4 Greek_Northwest ( ) 9.35
5 Montenegrian ( ) 9.79
6 Kosovar ( ) 10.05
7 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 10.2
8 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 10.26
9 Sicilian_West ( ) 10.62
10 Bulgarian ( ) 10.78
11 Slovenian ( ) 11.28
12 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 11.32
13 Austrian ( ) 11.42
14 Serb_BH ( ) 11.45
15 Macedonian ( ) 11.71
16 Hungarian ( ) 11.72
17 Croat ( ) 11.72
18 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 11.89
19 German-Volga ( ) 12.43
20 Bosnian ( ) 12.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.8% Kosovar ( ) + 34.2% Irish ( ) @ 2.69
2 67.7% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 32.3% Irish ( ) @ 2.86
3 73.4% Kosovar ( ) + 26.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.05
4 65.5% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 34.5% Frisian ( ) @ 3.07
5 58.1% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 41.9% Irish ( ) @ 3.07
6 53.3% Central_Greek ( ) + 46.7% Irish ( ) @ 3.07
7 63.7% Kosovar ( ) + 36.3% Frisian ( ) @ 3.1
8 56.9% French ( ) + 43.1% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 3.13
9 73.3% Kosovar ( ) + 26.7% Icelandic ( ) @ 3.19
10 52.1% Irish ( ) + 47.9% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 3.2
11 53.1% French ( ) + 46.9% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 3.21
12 75% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 25% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.22
13 63.5% Kosovar ( ) + 36.5% Dutch ( ) @ 3.22
14 72.7% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 27.3% Welsh ( ) @ 3.25
15 72.6% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 27.4% CEU ( ) @ 3.26
16 73% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 27% British ( ) @ 3.27
17 57.3% Kosovar ( ) + 42.7% South_German ( ) @ 3.31
18 87.2% Bulgarian ( ) + 12.8% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.32
19 74.5% Kosovar ( ) + 25.5% Orcadian ( ) @ 3.32
20 67.4% Kosovar ( ) + 32.6% English ( ) @ 3.33
Mingle
08-07-2019, 07:48 PM
Eurogenes K15 map for the second person:

https://i.imgur.com/AZwz9im.png?1
CommonSense
08-07-2019, 08:03 PM
Right, I remember these two well, they're the guys who posted their MyHeritage results on youtube. The second guy was born and raised in Turkey, he also said the morley's predictor gives him I1 as his Y-DNA.
Tbh, I don't think it would be fair to call all of the Sandzak muslims slavicized Albanians. I've seen only a few results so far, though none from the eastern part of the region, however all of them were fairly standard for Montenegrins, within the Serbian range, and absolutely nothing like Ghegs.
Mingle
08-07-2019, 08:30 PM
Tbh, I don't think it would be fair to call all of the Sandzak muslims slavicized Albanians. I've seen only a few results so far, though none from the eastern part of the region, however all of them were fairly standard for Montenegrins, within the Serbian range, and absolutely nothing like Ghegs.

Yeah, the "Slavicized Albanians" thing only applies to Muslims from Eastern Sanjak. Its been mentioned a couple of times here before that those from Western Sanjak are mostly of Montenegrin origin. I posted a result here of a Sandžak Muslim who was genetically almost like a North Macedonian (significantly more southern than the ones here), but I only had their admixture results for one calc and not their oracle or any knowledge on which city they were from.
Mehmet Udegey
08-07-2019, 08:32 PM
Yeah, the "Slavicized Albanians" thing only applies to Muslims from Eastern Sanjak. Its been mentioned a couple of times here before that those from Western Sanjak are mostly of Montenegrin origin. I posted a result here of a Sandžak Muslim who was genetically almost like a North Macedonian (significantly more southern than the ones here), but I only had their admixture results for one calc and not their oracle or any knowledge on which city they were from.

It was really possible for Albanian clan population to be slavicized? And in Turkish times?
Ayetooey
08-07-2019, 08:34 PM
It was really possible for Albanian clan population to be slavicized? And in Turkish times?

Almost all of East Sandzakian Y dna lines can be traced to Albanian clans. They actually have less slavic Y dna than Albanians from Albania percent wise.
CommonSense
08-07-2019, 08:35 PM
It was really possible for Albanian clan population to be slavicized? And in Turkish times?

They were still speaking Albanian (most of them anyway) when the kingdom of Yugoslavia was established. First they adopted a Slavic language and then, decades later, in the 90s a Bosniak identity as well.
Kaspias
08-07-2019, 09:20 PM
Can you PM me their kit numbers? I want to check their matches
CommonSense
08-07-2019, 09:39 PM
More Sandzakian results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278496-Results-of-a-Muslim-Bosniak-from-Montenegrin-Sand%9Eak!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278843-Sandzakian-gedmatch-results
MiloshN
08-07-2019, 09:41 PM
..

Welcome back! :hug:
CommonSense
02-17-2021, 03:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYNXMoCVbFI

Really unsual results:



1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 4.562409
2 Serbian @ 6.023873
3 Hungarian @ 8.026576
4 Austrian @ 9.925367
5 Moldavian @ 10.131608
6 Croatian @ 11.470086
7 Bulgarian @ 11.492984
8 East_German @ 12.340578
9 West_German @ 14.699106
10 South_Dutch @ 16.558899
11 French @ 16.695555
12 South_Polish @ 18.478127
13 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 18.681835
14 North_Italian @ 18.795046
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.969461
16 Ukrainian @ 20.110489
17 North_German @ 20.276798
18 Portuguese @ 21.047533
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.309364
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.655993

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Romanian @ 1.719291


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Moldavian +25% West_Scottish @ 1.316631

Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet (Distance):

1. Hungarian_Transylvania 4,50
2. Székely 4,74
3. Csángó-Ceangău 5,95
4. Romania_Crisana 5,99
5. Croat_West 6,34
6. Serb_central 6,82
7. Romania_Maramures 7,04
8. Croat_south 7.19
9. Romania_Transylvania 7,31
10. Romania_Moldavia_North 7,50
11. Montenegrin 7,53
12. Croat 7,93
13. Hungarian 7,97
14. Romania_average 8,35
15. Bosniak 8,50
16. Moldova_Centre 8,57
17. Bosniak_Sandžak 8,64
18. Moldova_average 8,72
19. Serb_south 8,90
RogueState
02-17-2021, 05:31 PM
Atypical results indeed, I wonder from which town she is
Jana
02-18-2021, 06:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYNXMoCVbFI

Really unsual results:



1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 4.562409
2 Serbian @ 6.023873
3 Hungarian @ 8.026576
4 Austrian @ 9.925367
5 Moldavian @ 10.131608
6 Croatian @ 11.470086
7 Bulgarian @ 11.492984
8 East_German @ 12.340578
9 West_German @ 14.699106
10 South_Dutch @ 16.558899
11 French @ 16.695555
12 South_Polish @ 18.478127
13 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 18.681835
14 North_Italian @ 18.795046
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.969461
16 Ukrainian @ 20.110489
17 North_German @ 20.276798
18 Portuguese @ 21.047533
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.309364
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.655993

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Romanian @ 1.719291


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Moldavian +25% West_Scottish @ 1.316631

Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet (Distance):

1. Hungarian_Transylvania 4,50
2. Székely 4,74
3. Csángó-Ceangău 5,95
4. Romania_Crisana 5,99
5. Croat_West 6,34
6. Serb_central 6,82
7. Romania_Maramures 7,04
8. Croat_south 7.19
9. Romania_Transylvania 7,31
10. Romania_Moldavia_North 7,50
11. Montenegrin 7,53
12. Croat 7,93
13. Hungarian 7,97
14. Romania_average 8,35
15. Bosniak 8,50
16. Moldova_Centre 8,57
17. Bosniak_Sandžak 8,64
18. Moldova_average 8,72
19. Serb_south 8,90



Why unusual, high North Atlantic? still in Serbian range
CommonSense
02-18-2021, 05:35 PM
Why unusual, high North Atlantic? still in Serbian range

I've seen a few outlier samples such as hers, but they were Serbs from other areas and still comparatively very few compared to the total. The rest of the muslims from Sandžak whose results we have are either like Montenegrins or like Macedonians (meaning Albo admixed).
vbnetkhio
02-18-2021, 09:38 PM
I've seen a few outlier samples such as hers, but they were Serbs from other areas and still comparatively very few compared to the total. The rest of the muslims from Sandžak whose results we have are either like Montenegrins or like Macedonians (meaning Albo admixed).

maybe she's from western Sandžak?
Such results actually seem pretty common in central and west Serbia. Montenegrins and Sandžakians can also have higher North Atlantic but then their Baltic is much lower.

This is a man from Čačak (I posted him already) and 4 other kits from his account, probably also from there.
.North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub_Saharan
Cacak129.3624.4418.408.0915.072.021.240.150.840.13 0.250.000.00
Cacak226.2429.5414.079.8316.332.600.000.000.000.26 0.000.001.10
Cacak330.0724.8018.019.2614.691.860.320.000.060.34 0.230.000.36
Cacak430.1127.1918.589.0711.511.181.1200.510.210.5 00
Cacak531.5127.1614.049.6415.511.30.3600000.430