Qipchaq/Kipchak Y-DNA

[Yaglakar]

Bashkir Qipsaqs
https://i.imgur.com/pFOsAv9.png



Qazaq/Kazakh Qipshaqs
https://i.imgur.com/FF4GKI2.png

[Ayetooey]

Interesting.

[Ülev]

Rethel, Norb... Qipchags .... nice

[Rico33]

I have G1

[Yaglakar]

I have G1

how is that relevant though?

[Yaglakar]

Just to clarify these are results of actual Qipchaqs within the aforementioned peoples. If I recall, there are about 650,000 Qipchaqs within the modern Qazaq ethnos.

The Kirghiz r1a Y-DNA lines also originate in Karasuk culture (descending from Andronovo culture - Minusinsk Hollow). This brings us to the question of a large scale Turkicization of Indo-Europeans.

[Dick]

This brings us to the question of a large scale Turkicization of Indo-Europeans.

That's a good question.

[Rico33]

If R is indo european, then why does it also appear among American Indians?

[Dick]

If R is indo european, then why does it also appear among American Indians?

That's a good question.

[Ayetooey]

If R is indo european, then why does it also appear among American Indians?

Maybe we've been looking at things from the wrong perspective.

[Blondie]

If R is indo european, then why does it also appear among American Indians?

Because they were mixed with europeans.

[Karaton]

If R is indo european, then why does it also appear among American Indians?

R is not Indo-European only certain branches in Europe and Asia can be associated with Indo-European expansion. American Indians have a diffferent branch of R

[Ülev]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Ameri cas#Haplogroup_R1


R1 is very common throughout all of Eurasia except East Asia and Southeast Asia. R1 (M173) is found predominantly in North American groups like the Ojibwe (50-79%), Seminole (50%), Sioux (50%), Cherokee (47%), Dogrib (40%) and Tohono O'odham (Papago) (38%).[42]

[Rico33]

Maybe we've been looking at things from the wrong perspective.

Probably, somehow...

[Pribislav]

After this who is enough brave to claim Slavic origin of R1a? :lol:

[Leto]

So they descend from the Bronze Age Aryan stock. I guess Balkars (Caucasus Turkics) included.

[Leto]

Most Bashkirs are R1b though, not R1a.

[War Chef]

Maybe we've been looking at things from the wrong perspective.

Yeah you are.

R in "Native Americans" is likely from white settlers impregnating. They never tested for subclade (r1b or r1a etc.) just presence of R.

[Leto]

Native Americans are Q.

[Ülev]

R1 is Native American and conquered Q, and pushed them to Asia and Americas, R1 is red skinned unable to tan, Q people looks brownish :rolleyes:

[Ayetooey]

R1 is Native American and conquered Q, and pushed them to Asia and Americas, R1 is red skinned unable to tan, Q people looks brownish :rolleyes:

R and Q both come from the same parent clade (P) and are both ultimately of the same origin (Turkic).

[Ülev]

it is the time to change my haplo data

[Ayetooey]

it is the time to change my haplo data

Have you actually tested? If so what is your real Y dna.

[MagnusDark]

If R is indo european, then why does it also appear among American Indians?

The distance between R and R1a/R1b is 28-29000 years. The earliest ancestor of basal R1a is 18000 years, and R1b 20400 years. Nearly 100 percent of all modern R1a comes from the last surviving M417, who lived only 5400 years ago, and R1b-M269 6400 years ago. Proto-Indo-Europeans are only between 5500 to 4500 BC. The distance between R and the time of the Proto-Indo-Europeans is about 20 to 21000 years ago. Indo Europeans would have only migrated out of the Pontic Caspian Steppe around 4000BC. The common ancestor joining Native Americans/Indians and Indo-Europeans broke off nearly 20+ thousand years before Proto-Indo-Europeans formed. Context is everything. I know it helps to act like one haplogroup is all the same, but that is not the case when tracing migrations of separate peoples who carried the same line very distantly.