Kievan russ 1130ad

[HungryLion]

I got this sample as my "relative".
Does anyone know anything more about this sample?
Maybe kit number or any info? Thanks

[karakartal]

I got this sample as my "relative".
Does anyone know anything more about this sample?
Maybe kit number or any info? Thanks
How can take this results?

[HungryLion]

How can take this results?

TrueAncestry
They find that I have some relation whit this sample.
So I want to know bit more about this sample?

[HungryLion]

How can take this results?

TrueAncestry
They find that I have some relation whit this sample.
So I want to know bit more about this sample?

[HungryLion]

90238
This

[harutsafaryan07]

Kievan Rus( 1160 )T005824


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[Moje ime]

All north eastern shifted Serbs get it.

[HungryLion]

All north eastern shifted Serbs get it.

They got this sample as relative?

[HungryLion]

Kievan Rus( 1160 )T005824


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What is this?

[harutsafaryan07]

What is this?kit number

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[Lemgrant]

Kievan Rus( 1160 )T005824


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What is this?

What you asked for. Kit number T005824

[HungryLion]

What you asked for. Kit number T005824

Cool, thanks :)

[HungryLion]

kit number

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Cool...Should cheek if there anything intresting about him

[Lemgrant]

individual Sunghir 6 belong to mtDNA Haplogroup W3a1 and Y-DNA Haplogroup I2a1b2

more samples here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34338-GEDmatch-list-of-ancient-samples-with-kit-numbers

[HungryLion]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.11
2 Eastern_Euro 23.84
3 North_Sea 18.96
4 Atlantic 15.2
5 West_Med 8.77
6 West_Asian 3.46
7 East_Med 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.1

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 5.58
2 Estonian_Polish 5.67
3 Ukrainian 5.82
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.89
5 Polish 5.89
6 Russian_Smolensk 6.06
7 South_Polish 6.44
8 Belorussian 6.88
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.46
10 Kargopol_Russian 8.52
11 Lithuanian 9.69
12 Estonian 10.08
13 Erzya 10.17
14 Croatian 10.58
15 Moldavian 12.28
16 East_Finnish 12.59
17 Hungarian 13.95
18 Finnish 14.15
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.84
20 Austrian 15.46

K12b
Population
Western European 21.93 Pct
Siberian 1.77 Pct
East African -
West Central Asian 1.13 Pct
South Asian 0.95 Pct
West African -
Caucasus 5.85 Pct
Finnish 7.88 Pct
Mediterranean 11.88 Pct
Southwest Asian -
North European 48.62 Pct
East Asian -

Dodecad K7b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 76.37
2 West_Asian 13.24
3 Southern 7.09
4 Siberian 2.85
5 African 0.43
6 East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 1.23
2 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 2.11
3 Polish (Dodecad) 3
4 Russian_B (Behar) 4.16
5 Russian (Dodecad) 4.34
6 Belorussian (Behar) 4.49
7 Argyll (1000Genomes) 4.79
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 5.28
9 Swedish (Dodecad) 5.87
10 Orkney (1000Genomes) 5.9
11 Orcadian (HGDP) 6.02
12 Irish (Dodecad) 6.06
13 German (Dodecad) 6.1
14 Norwegian (Dodecad) 6.18
15 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 6.45
16 British (Dodecad) 6.68
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 6.74
18 Kent (1000Genomes) 7.01
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.11
20 English (Dodecad) 7.34

puntDNAL K15
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 66.55
2 Mediterranean 22.91
3 Caucasian 5.7
4 SW_Asian 1.25
5 Beringian 0.99
6 Siberian 0.94
7 E_Asian 0.66
8 Wht_Nile_River 0.38
9 S_African 0.29
10 Oceanian 0.29
11 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 2.91
2 Swedish 5.5
3 Belarusian 5.94
4 Russian 7.6
5 Norwegian 8.04
6 Mordovian 8.3
7 Karelian 8.4
8 Lithuanian 9
9 Finnish 9.18
10 North_German 9.23
11 Scottish 10.16
12 Orcadian 10.98
13 Slovenian 11.24
14 Austrian 11.59
15 Irish 11.72
16 English 11.8
17 Hungarian 12.52
18 Croatian 14.65
19 Utahn_White 15.27
20 South_German 15.96

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 47
2 North_Atlantic 27.31
3 West_Med 12.79
4 East_Med 5.09
5 West_Asian 4.96
6 Siberian 1.21
7 Amerindian 1.17
8 Oceanian 0.46
9 Northeast_African 0.01
10 Red_Sea 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 3.63
2 Polish 4.33
3 Estonian_Polish 4.59
4 Russian_Smolensk 4.72
5 Southwest_Russian 4.91
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.4
7 Belorussian 5.89
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.93
9 South_Polish 6
10 Kargopol_Russian 8.68
11 Lithuanian 8.81
12 Estonian 9.46
13 Croatian 10.94
14 Erzya 11.04
15 Finnish 12
16 East_Finnish 12.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 12.81
18 Moldavian 13.92
19 Hungarian 15.11
20 East_German 16.04

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 57.23
2 Atlantic_Med 23.89
3 Caucasus 13.39
4 Gedrosia 2.75
5 Siberian 1.94
6 Sub_Saharan 0.44
7 Southeast_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish (Dodecad) 7.32
2 Hungarians (Behar) 9.6
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 9.64
4 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 9.86
5 Belorussian (Behar) 12.69
6 Russian (Dodecad) 12.76
7 German (Dodecad) 13.25
8 Russian_B (Behar) 13.56
9 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 14.34
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.53
11 Russian (HGDP) 15.17
12 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.26
13 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 18.36
14 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.52
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.63
16 Lithuanians (Behar) 21.43
17 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 21.46
18 Finnish (Dodecad) 22.99
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 23.14
20 English (Dodecad) 23.38

[HungryLion]

more samples here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34338-GEDmatch-list-of-ancient-samples-with-kit-numbers

His haplo is I2a1b2?

[Lemgrant]

His haplo is I2a1b2?

yes.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/y-snp-calls-for-sungir-6/
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?12251-Middle-Ages-I2a1b2a1a1a1a3-A16681-from-Sunghir-Russia

[Lucas]

They got this sample as relative?

Of course it is not your true relative:)
All Slavic users have it on higher or lower position. It is just genetic similarity.

[HungryLion]

Of course it is not your true relative:)
All Slavic users have it on higher or lower position. It is just genetic similarity.

On deep dive options?

[HungryLion]

yes.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/y-snp-calls-for-sungir-6/
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?12251-Middle-Ages-I2a1b2a1a1a1a3-A16681-from-Sunghir-Russia

Really cool :)
I am glad bc he is I2a1b :D

[Lucas]

On deep dive options?

Check your kit against him on Gedmatch in one-to-one for real connection.

[Seya]

Of course it is not your true relative:)
All Slavic users have it on higher or lower position. It is just genetic similarity.

are those shared segments real tho? it seems exaggerated to me

[HungryLion]

Of course it is not your true relative:)
All Slavic users have it on higher or lower position. It is just genetic similarity.

90241

[Lucas]

are those shared segments real tho? it seems exaggerated to me

Always check on Gedmatch if ancient kit is available there. Now many are.
Hint: when someone who is European sets treshold to lowest possible value most European ancient kits will be his "relatives". The same for other regions.

[HungryLion]

Check your kit against him on Gedmatch in one-to-one for real connection.

Okay :)

[Lemgrant]

are those shared segments real tho? it seems exaggerated to me
for gedmatch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J2TGtcOYMs&feature=youtu.be
https://i.imgur.com/cDWr9e8.png

[Seya]

Always check on Gedmatch if ancient kit is available there. Now many are.
Hint: when someone who is European sets treshold to lowest possible value most European ancient kits will be his "relatives". The same for other regions.

but i don't think u can share so many segments with such an old sample
https://i.imgur.com/SWAwHIc.jpg

[Lucas]

but i don't think u can share so many segments with such an old sample
https://i.imgur.com/SWAwHIc.jpg

Yes, you are right. But most people don't care. They are amused by such false "relatednesss":) Probably treshold is set up to lowest value in their tool.

[HungryLion]

Yes, you are right. But most people don't care. They are amused by such false "relatednesss":) Probably treshold is set up to lowest value in their tool.

So bassicly they exaggerated every similarity?

[Gaditanian]

Kievan Rus( 1160 )T005824


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Do you know if this sample it's from 1160 how it's possible that Gedmatch says that I'm related 6 generations before?

6 generations have to max 180-200 years


90242

[Lemgrant]

Yes, you are right. But most people don't care. They are amused by such false "relatednesss":) Probably treshold is set up to lowest value in their tool.

and here is another strange thing:
Kit DP9242486 and Kit T005824 is the same person (Sungir6 Early Medieval Russian I2a)

T005824 is uploaded by someone from Russia with email for23andme @mail.ru
DP9242486 is uploaded by someone from Poland with email polandregionsdnaproject @gmail.com

with T005824 sample I match with these settings:

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM


Largest segment = 4.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 17.3 cM (0.482 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

381618 SNPs used for this comparison.

But with sample DP9242486 I do not match at all.

Someone messed with conversion before uploading it to gedmatch.

[Dušan]

Is there gedmatch kit for Siberia Andronovo sample?

[Lucas]

and here is another strange thing:
Kit DP9242486 and Kit T005824 is the same person (Sungir6 Early Medieval Russian I2a)

T005824 is uploaded by someone from Russia with email for23andme @mail.ru
DP9242486 is uploaded by someone from Poland with email polandregionsdnaproject @gmail.com

with T005824 sample I match with these settings:

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM


Largest segment = 4.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 17.3 cM (0.482 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

381618 SNPs used for this comparison.

But with sample DP9242486 I do not match at all.

Someone messed with conversion before uploading it to gedmatch.

But on Gedmatch you can more or less estimate if conversion was not good. On third party service you have to trust them and pay.
If it would be signed by Davidski, Verenich or Kurd I will trust, but not anonymous company...

For modern kits there is no problem. But for ancients, especially in fastq and bam format it is needed special pipeline for conversion (diploid/ haploid problem for example, Verenich and Kurd wrote about it elswhere). And I guess they use only BAM Analysis Kit for it. I also use it for fun. But no for commercial purposes.

[Slavic Italian]

Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 123.5 cM (3.444 Pct)

47 shared segments found for this comparison.

739651 SNPs used for this comparison.

56.934 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Peterski]

Do you know if this sample it's from 1160 how it's possible that Gedmatch says that I'm related 6 generations before?

6 generations have to max 180-200 years

Kit T005824 is an old 2017 version of Sunghir6 contaminated with modern DNA (according to Davidski).

More recently published 2019 version (and I did not use BAM file), with no contamination, is my upload:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287204-DNA-of-ancient-inhabitants-of-Poland-and-neighbouring-areas

Kit DP9242486

[Lemgrant]

Kit T005824 is an old 2017 version of Sunghir6 contaminated with modern DNA (according to Davidski).

More recently published 2019 version (and I did not use BAM file), with no contamination, is my upload:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287204-DNA-of-ancient-inhabitants-of-Poland-and-neighbouring-areas

Kit DP9242486

I do not match with this new upload. Should I? I don't know. Scores almost the same with me on calculators.

[Lemgrant]

http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html
https://i.imgur.com/XskeWdY.png



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"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Belarusian9: 3.059497",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian6: 3.069238",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish12: 3.076879",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish8: 3.088003",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian4: 3.091927",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Belarusian7: 3.093986",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish23: 3.100379",
"German_Czech_Austrian_K18:NA15733: 3.101767",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish30: 3.189415",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian2: 3.190272",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Belarusian8: 3.194913",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian1: 3.194999",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish7: 3.208305",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian15: 3.255018",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish38: 3.266052",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian19: 3.274578",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Belarusian2: 3.333651",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Belarusian15: 3.369094",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish13: 3.406475",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish31: 3.438136",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish40: 3.485958",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish5: 3.531979",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish29: 3.549950",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish34: 3.563052",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish33: 3.575114",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish36: 3.627849",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish35: 3.641791",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish15: 3.646279",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian20: 3.663756",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish4: 3.672790",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Belarusian6: 3.676746",
"German_Czech_Austrian_K18:NA15727: 3.683389",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish27: 3.731468",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish18: 3.753936",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish16: 3.773669",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish39: 3.791753",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Polish26: 3.830016",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian12: 3.862354",
"Estonian_Latvian_Lithuanian_K18:LithuanianE2: 3.893064",
"German_Czech_Austrian_K18:NA15732: 3.894785",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian7: 3.895133",
"Polish_Belarusian_Ukrainian_K18:Ukrainian3: 3.942872",
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"Estonian_Latvian_Lithuanian_K18:LithuanianA1: 4.102945",
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"German_Czech_Austrian_K18:German_East2: 4.159077",
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"German_Czech_Austrian_K18:German_East6: 4.529776",
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}
]

[HungryLion]

Can someone make pca map for this sample
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.11
2 Eastern_Euro 23.84
3 North_Sea 18.96
4 Atlantic 15.2
5 West_Med 8.77
6 West_Asian 3.46
7 East_Med 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.1

[Cumansky]

Sunghir (Kievan Rus) not a real Russian, he is plotting to southwest.

90277
90278

[Dick]

Always check on Gedmatch if ancient kit is available there. Now many are.
Hint: when someone who is European sets treshold to lowest possible value most European ancient kits will be his "relatives". The same for other regions.

True but non Slavs would be getting him as a match as well I assume, or maybe just not as many segments. Either way all Slavs descend from a small swamp tribe that had a huge demographic boom. We can hate each other and say we are different/look different from each other all we want but the truth is we're all related from some small inbred tribe from Polesia.



Really cool :)
I am glad bc he is I2a1b :D

Then he is your real paternal "cousin" no matter what the shared chromosome segments show or are even real or not.

[Dick]

Sunghir (Kievan Rus) not a real Russian, he is plotting to southwest.

90277
90278

That's you.

[Cumansky]

True but non Slavs would be getting him as a match as well I assume, or maybe just not as many segments. Either way all Slavs descend from a small swamp tribe that had a huge demographic boom. We can hate each other and say we are different/look different all we want but the truth is we're all related from some small inbred tribe from Polesia.

Then he is your real paternal "cousin" no matter what the shared chromosome segments show or are even real or not.

His paternal cousin originally from Balkan. You have to search your lost link to Slavs somewhere else Scythians or maybe some of you are simply Thuringii (ie Germanic migration invaders) and part of your (Slavic) ancestry atleast in the genetic and scientific sense will have to be discontinued with new research breakthroughs coming in.

[Dick]

His paternal cousin originally from Balkan. You have to search your lost link to Slavs somewhere else Scythians or maybe some of you are simply Thuringii (ie Germanic migration invaders) and part of your (Slavic) ancestry atleast in the genetic and scientific sense will have to be discontinued with new research breakthroughs coming in.

I hope so.

[HungryLion]

Check your kit against him on Gedmatch in one-to-one for real connection.

After 4 nothing...on 7cm nothing

[HungryLion]

So it could be something but not that recent i guess, after 4cm i don't have match whit this dude.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Sunghir (Kievan Rus) not a real Russian, he is plotting to southwest.

90277
90278

That is because he is representing early Slavic migrant to Russian lands before mixing with northeastern shifted Uralics and Balts.

[HungryLion]

Also I try this, 3cm and 4, anything intresting?
90279

I don't think after 4cm is posible to have "real" conection whit this anicent samples .

[Lucas]

After 4 nothing...on 7cm nothing

As I expected...

[Cumansky]

That is because he is representing early Slavic migrant to Russian lands before mixing with northeastern shifted Uralics and Balts.

Here you go Mr Nazi, my Father is my current photo.

Sunghir 90300

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 49.74
2 Caucasian 29.57
3 European_Early_Farmers 12.56
4 Ancestral_Altaic 3.86
5 Arctic 1.29
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 South_Indian 0.67
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.33
9 South_Central_Asian 0.33
10 African_Pygmy 0.26
11 Austronesian 0.18
12 Near_East 0.15

Cumansky Father 90301

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 50.61
2 Caucasian 29.12
3 European_Early_Farmers 12.74
4 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
5 Amerindian 1.33
6 South_Central_Asian 1.19
7 Archaic_Human 1.04
8 South_Indian 0.81
9 South_East_Asian 0.22

[Slavic Italian]

Of course it is not your true relative:)
All Slavic users have it on higher or lower position. It is just genetic similarity.

This just confirms a Slavic genetic relation? You are not going to match ancients at 7cM correct?

[Cumansky]

Here you go Mr Nazi, my Father is my current photo.

Sunghir 90300

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 49.74
2 Caucasian 29.57
3 European_Early_Farmers 12.56
4 Ancestral_Altaic 3.86
5 Arctic 1.29
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 South_Indian 0.67
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.33
9 South_Central_Asian 0.33
10 African_Pygmy 0.26
11 Austronesian 0.18
12 Near_East 0.15

Cumansky Father 90301

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 50.61
2 Caucasian 29.12
3 European_Early_Farmers 12.74
4 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
5 Amerindian 1.33
6 South_Central_Asian 1.19
7 Archaic_Human 1.04
8 South_Indian 0.81
9 South_East_Asian 0.22

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[Lemgrant]

k13 pca (link (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?177271-Tutorial-for-autosomal-calculators&p=6169153&viewfull=1#post6169153)):

Kit Number: T005824
Population
North_Atlantic 27.31 Pct
Baltic 47.00 Pct
West_Med 12.79 Pct
West_Asian 4.96 Pct
East_Med 5.09 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.21 Pct
Amerindian 1.17 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

https://i.imgur.com/kEh4sJf.png

[Cumansky]

k13 pca (link (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?177271-Tutorial-for-autosomal-calculators&p=6169153&viewfull=1#post6169153)):

Kit Number: T005824
Population
North_Atlantic 27.31 Pct
Baltic 47.00 Pct
West_Med 12.79 Pct
West_Asian 4.96 Pct
East_Med 5.09 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.21 Pct
Amerindian 1.17 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

https://i.imgur.com/kEh4sJf.png

I got the Ace in my hand. My Father is Sunghir clone and I2a1b2.

[Cumansky]

I predicted that 2 years ago before I got my Father result.

[Lemminkäinen]

My Karelian wife too.

[RandomGuy20]

Always check on Gedmatch if ancient kit is available there. Now many are.
Hint: when someone who is European sets treshold to lowest possible value most European ancient kits will be his "relatives". The same for other regions.

What minimum cM would you recommend when comparing dna with ancient kits?