Is this average result for Spanish?

[Cumansky]

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[PaleoEuropean]

Yes

[Cumansky]

Yes

They get that much Irish and Sephardim?

[PaleoEuropean]

They get that much Irish and Sephardim?

Maybe not that much Irish, but I read the average Spaniard has 10-20% Sephardi admixture probably from forced conversions and intermarriage and Muslim Rule

[PaleoEuropean]

Not the specific scientific study I was referencing but a good picture of their diverse admixture

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16200-spanish-inquisition-left-genetic-legacy-in-iberia/

[Cumansky]

Maybe not that much Irish, but I read the average Spaniard has 10-20% Sephardi admixture from forced conversions and intermarriage during the early reconquest and Muslim Rule

Yes that is true, but to my understanding these company using "smoothing method" in their algorithm therefore according to statistic here is says 2.2% of customers from Spain are assigned Sephardic Jewish - North African. Irish also high maybe.

[PaleoEuropean]

Yes that is true, but to my understanding these company using "smoothing method" in their algorithm therefore according to statistic here is says 2.2% of customers from Spain are assigned Sephardic Jewish - North African. Irish also high maybe.

It's hard to base commercial companies data off actual studies because the algorithms are different, North African is also pretty high, I think they also get confused for each-other by calculators. Also the regions have a lot to do with it too, some have more NA and some have more Sephardi

[Cumansky]

It's hard to base commercial companies data off actual studies because the algorithms are different, North African is also pretty high, I think they also get confused for each-other by calculators. Also the regions have a lot to do with it too, some have more NA and some have more Sephardi

Latin users probably know

[SharpFork]

Maybe not that much Irish, but I read the average Spaniard has 10-20% Sephardi admixture probably from forced conversions and intermarriage and Muslim Rule
That figure is ridiculously high, do you have any evidence for it?

[Ibericus]

No, he is not spanish. And he just scores 13% iberian

[alnortedelsur]

Of course not, lol.

Typical Spanish results are either 100% European, or close to 100% European.

[billErobreren]

Iberian score seems a tad low

[Cumansky]

No, he is not spanish. And he just scores 13% iberian

His name is Jose Flores he was born in Spain, same with his 4 Grandparents but some of their names might be Portu not sure.

[Cumansky]

Of course not, lol.

Typical Spanish results are either 100% European, or close to 100% European.

He is Spanish I am confirming now.

[Avgvstvs]

A spaniard scoring 20% North african, 44% NW Europe and only 13% Iberian? Suspect, in my honest opinion

Usually Spaniards(based on many results I saw) score at least 50/55% Iberian and I think 20% North african is probably too high... Let alone 44% NW Europe....

Alnortedusur is probably right, many spanish results i saw were close to 100% european and some reached 100%


The portuguese usually score higher North African than Spaniards and yet I've never seen a Portuguese getting "only" 79% european

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[Tietar]

Maybe not that much Irish, but I read the average Spaniard has 10-20% Sephardi admixture probably from forced conversions and intermarriage and Muslim Rule

it refers to 20% of Spaniards for Jews and 10% for Africans, most Spaniards do not have a single drop of Moorish/Jew mixture

[Pedro Ruben]

Typically Spaniards and Iberians generally have the highest percentage of "Iberian". Even with that percentage of Sephardic Jew, it had to have a much higher Iberian. This is not a normal result...

[Ibericus]

Not the specific scientific study I was referencing but a good picture of their diverse admixture

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16200-spanish-inquisition-left-genetic-legacy-in-iberia/
That is a very old study completely outdated today. They assumed that haplogroups which are not R1b were either of Jewish origin or North-African.

[Benyzero]

A little too much NW and Africa imo, while Iberian should be dominant I suppose.

[TheMaestro]

Nope, lol.

[Cumansky]

Why you don't think he is Spanish?

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[Cumansky]

He is Spanish you can see above

[Cumansky]

What do you think some his ancestor were Portuguese?

[Cumansky]

A spaniard scoring 20% North african, 44% NW Europe and only 13% Iberian? Suspect, in my honest opinion

Usually Spaniards(based on many results I saw) score at least 50/55% Iberian and I think 20% North african is probably too high... Let alone 44% NW Europe....

Alnortedusur is probably right, many spanish results i saw were close to 100% european and some reached 100%


The portuguese usually score higher North African than Spaniards and yet I've never seen a Portuguese getting "only" 79% european

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His info is posted

[Cumansky]

Typically Spaniards and Iberians generally have the highest percentage of "Iberian". Even with that percentage of Sephardic Jew, it had to have a much higher Iberian. This is not a normal result...

Do you think he is Portuguese? Check his surnames and give me your opinion

[Cumansky]

A little too much NW and Africa imo, while Iberian should be dominant I suppose.

Maybe Irish have some Spanish bloodline so is inflated I guess the Irish

[Cumansky]

Arriba

[Cumansky]

If you have Spanish Global 25 runs post it here

[Cumansky]

Why you don't think he is Spanish?

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[Cumansky]

A little too much NW and Africa imo, while Iberian should be dominant I suppose.

That is what I thought, but when I check info is Spanish person with a family tree

[Benyzero]

That is what I thought, but when I check info is Spanish person with a family tree

what dna test is this, Myheritage?

[Cumansky]

what dna test is this, Myheritage?

MyHeritage

[Benyzero]

MyHeritage

I've heard they gave weird results sometimes,that's why I decided to do 23andme instead,despite the higher price. I saw a hungarian guy who scored lot of scandinavian and jewish I was just like wtf how is that possible .

[Cumansky]

I've heard they gave weird results sometimes,that's why I decided to do 23andme instead,despite the higher price. I saw a hungarian guy who scored lot of scandinavian and jewish I was just like wtf how is that possible .

Very possible

[Benyzero]

Very possible

seemed odd anyway.

[Pedro Ruben]

What do you think some his ancestor were Portuguese?

It is possible he has an Iberian ancestor, but certainly has a greater number of non-Iberian ancestors. To be Portuguese, like Spanish, should mark the Iberian percentage higher than the others ....

[Cumansky]

It is possible he has an Iberian ancestor, but certainly has a greater number of non-Iberian ancestors. To be Portuguese, like Spanish, should mark the Iberian percentage higher than the others ....

All his Grandparents are either Spanish or Portuguese. Most likely all his ancestors are Iberian

Surnames: Flores, Gestoso, Pinto, Porto

[Gründig]

No.

[Cumansky]

No.

Elaborate on "No"

[Gründig]

Maybe not that much Irish, but I read the average Spaniard has 10-20% Sephardi admixture probably from forced conversions and intermarriage and Muslim Rule

False.

[Cumansky]

False.

True, and Jose Flores is the proof

[Gaditanian]

True, and Jose Flores is the proof

Also his brother Antonio Flores

https://est.zetaestaticos.com/comun/upload/0/707/707780_g.jpg

[Cumansky]

Also his brother Antonio Flores

Who this guy?

[Gaditanian]

Who this guy?

Spaniard singer from Madrid

https://www.diariocordoba.com/agenda/evento/espectaculo-saludo-antonio-flores-conciertos-cordoba_7435.html

[Cumansky]

Spaniard singer from Madrid

https://www.diariocordoba.com/agenda/evento/espectaculo-saludo-antonio-flores-conciertos-cordoba_7435.html

How he is the brother? What you think of result Gaditanian?

[Rocinante]

Do not take those results from Myheritage for serious. Do you have the K15 and K13 Oracles?

[Jana]

He would probabably score like typical Spaniard on gedmatch. He gets enormous NW Euro and very high North African because algorithm is using it to compensate.

Suprised people couldnt realise this before.

I am similar case, instead of Balkan (based on south slavs), I get enormous eastern european (based on east slavs) and high Greek (south balkan). This is very atypical for Croat because on MH other Croats score Balkan but I do not. And on gedmatch I am completely typical.

He is the same I guess, much NW Euro + minor North African is very similar to Iberian but for some reason algorithm went for 2 extremes rather than middle option. Maybe his Celtic like and Moorish like admixture are very clearly separated and not as mixed like in typical Iberians.

[Gaditanian]

How he is the brother? What you think of result Gaditanian?

I was joking

The component is too high.

I have seen so many videos of spaniards users with Myheritage and they usually scores around 10%

Of course, the Northwest component doesn't have any sense for a standard spaniard.

I think that one of the parents it's fully British and the other one it's half spaniard & half morrocan.

[Cumansky]

He would probabably score like typical Spaniard on gedmatch. He gets enormous NW Euro and very high North African because algorithm is using it to compensate.

Suprised people couldnt realise this before.

I am similar case, instead of Balkan (based on south slavs), I get enormous eastern european (based on east slavs) and high Greek (south balkan). This is very atypical for Croat because on MH other Croats score Balkan but I do not. And on gedmatch I am completely typical.

He is the same I guess, much NW Euro + minor North African is very similar to Iberian but for some reason algorithm went for 2 extremes rather than middle option. Maybe his Celtic like and Moorish like admixture are very clearly separated and not as mixed like in typical Iberians.

This what happened obviously, I'm surprised around 10 people can not figure out calculator overcompensation. They have some Northwest component that is bringing them back to Europe and "Irish" accomplished the best fit in this case.

But you can not really laugh at them, some your people think they 100% Balkan same concept here, the power of commercial company.

[Cumansky]

I was joking

The component is too high.

I have seen so many videos of spaniards users with Myheritage and they usually scores around 10%

Of course, the Northwest component doesn't have any sense for a standard spaniard.

I think that one of the parents it's fully British and the other one it's half spaniard & half morrocan.

Which one fully British? Flores, Gestoso, Porto, Pinto? They all Iberians

And that guy you show me part Romani, we are not any Romani. Nice try buddy

[Gaditanian]

Which one fully British? Flores, Gestoso, Porto, Pinto? They all Iberians

And that guy you show me part Romani, we are not any Romani. Nice try buddy

Pinto is not an iberian surname but Sephardic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sephardic_surnames

That confirm that this man it's partly morrocan from a Sephardic Community

[Cumansky]

Pinto is not an iberian surname but Sephardic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sephardic_surnames

That confirm that this man it's partly morrocan from a Sephardic Community

This "Pinto" is Sephardic name, this Jose is related to my deceased Mother who is 1/4 Sephardic. To say he is Moroccan is not accurate, ok, he is not any Moroccan or an Irish he is living in land of Sepharad "Iberian Peninsula" until now. Did these people go to Morocco after and before 1492, they did. But you can call us Moorano not an Irish or Moroccan. How these Moorano got to places Ottoman Empire, Latin America, Philipines, etc is fascinating history.

[Pedro Ruben]

Pinto is not an iberian surname but Sephardic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sephardic_surnames

That confirm that this man it's partly morrocan from a Sephardic Community

Pinto it is also a Portuguese surname...

[Gaditanian]

How these Moorano got to places Ottoman Empire, Latin America, Philipines, etc is fascinating history.


I was always very interested in the history of Sephardic Jews, and I always felt a great sorrow for their expulsion from Spain.

The Catholic Monarchs made 2 very serious mistakes.

Expel experts in the management of finance (Sephardic), and expel experts in tillage of the land and handicrafts (Moorish).

Without those two elements in Spain, the country was only a living dead, fed artificially by the wealth of America.

Wealth that could no be managed properly by the Sephardim and would have given much more benefits to Spain, and wealth that could no be transformed into industry because the workforce of the Moors was lacking.

If both communities had not been expelled, possibly the Industrial Revolution would not have begun in Britain in the eighteenth century but in Spain in the sixteenth century.

[Pedro Ruben]

I was always very interested in the history of Sephardic Jews, and I always felt a great sorrow for their expulsion from Spain.

The Catholic Monarchs made 2 very serious mistakes.

Expel experts in the management of finance (Sephardic), and expel experts in tillage of the land and handicrafts (Moorish).

Without those two elements in Spain, the country was only a living dead, fed artificially by the wealth of America.

Wealth that could no be managed properly by the Sephardim and would have given much more benefits to Spain, and wealth that could no be transformed into industry because the workforce of the Moors was lacking.

If both communities had not been expelled, possibly the Industrial Revolution would not have begun in Britain in the eighteenth century but in Spain in the sixteenth century.

Sefarad means Iberian Peninsula :p . So Sephardic Jews are from the ancient Iberian kingdoms, not only in the present "Spain". The Catholic Kings of Spain also pressured the Portuguese King to expel the Sephardic. Currently they can get Portuguese or Spanish nationality if they prove to be Sephardic

[Cumansky]

I was always very interested in the history of Sephardic Jews, and I always felt a great sorrow for their expulsion from Spain.

The Catholic Monarchs made 2 very serious mistakes.

Expel experts in the management of finance (Sephardic), and expel experts in tillage of the land and handicrafts (Moorish).

Without those two elements in Spain, the country was only a living dead, fed artificially by the wealth of America.

Wealth that could no be managed properly by the Sephardim and would have given much more benefits to Spain, and wealth that could no be transformed into industry because the workforce of the Moors was lacking.

If both communities had not been expelled, possibly the Industrial Revolution would not have begun in Britain in the eighteenth century but in Spain in the sixteenth century.

I did not fully realize void they have left there, but the talents was passed to me now I can not complain :)

You know I heard when they arrive in my country they work textile industry making clothes different fabrics, my Aunt my Mother Sister she own clothing boutique that is her work until now.

[Cumansky]

Sefarad means Iberian Peninsula :p . So Sephardic Jews are from the ancient Iberian kingdoms, not only in the present "Spain". The Catholic Kings of Spain also pressured the Portuguese King to expel the Sephardic. Currently they can get Portuguese or Spanish nationality if they prove to be Sephardic

Yes this all true history.

[Tietar]

If both communities had not been expelled, possibly the Industrial Revolution would not have begun in Britain in the eighteenth century but in Spain in the sixteenth century.

In Spain there was not enough population to start anything, no coal, and an infernal orography. It was basically a set of dispersed populations almost isolated

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/experiencesoflifeinearlymoderneurope-130205192042-phpapp01/95/experiences-of-life-in-early-modern-europe-9-638.jpg?cb=1442861520

if the Moors had not been expelled long ago we would be on terrorist alert every day of the year

[Duffmannn]

The Sephardic and the Moriscos were so intelligent, laborous and prosperous peoples, that the country were they exiled (North Africa, Ottoman Empire, Balkans, Poland) became the next european superopowers after their arrival while Spain became a wasteland that only discovered America and created the first global empire...

[Duffmannn]

Why you don't think he is Spanish?

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The same reason why you are not canadian.

[Cumansky]

The same reason why you are not canadian.

My NW Euro admix too low to be Canadian, but my MENA admix is high enough

[Ibericus]

He would probabably score like typical Spaniard on gedmatch. He gets enormous NW Euro and very high North African because algorithm is using it to compensate.

Suprised people couldnt realise this before.

I am similar case, instead of Balkan (based on south slavs), I get enormous eastern european (based on east slavs) and high Greek (south balkan). This is very atypical for Croat because on MH other Croats score Balkan but I do not. And on gedmatch I am completely typical.

He is the same I guess, much NW Euro + minor North African is very similar to Iberian but for some reason algorithm went for 2 extremes rather than middle option. Maybe his Celtic like and Moorish like admixture are very clearly separated and not as mixed like in typical Iberians.
No, it's not the case. First, it's not "North-African" it's Sephardic Jews from North-Africa, which is not the same. And the "compensation" for a high North-West score would rather be with a component like Sardinian or Italian but, not with "Sephardic" unless there is real jewish ancestry, which there is, because "Porto" is not even a spanish surname, but jewish.

This is a true spanish results (myself):

https://i.ibb.co/cFnd04b/heritage.png

[Gaditanian]

No, it's not the case. First, it's not "North-African" it's Sephardic Jews from North-Africa, which is not the same. And the "compensation" for a high North-West score would rather be with a component like Sardinian or Italian but, not with "Sephardic" unless there is real jewish ancestry, which there is, because "Porto" is not even a spanish surname, but jewish.

This is a true spanish results (myself):

https://i.ibb.co/cFnd04b/heritage.png

Wtf !!! Why they need to compensate the northwest component with Italian or Sardinia? what they are trying?

I your case, if your italian score is Northwest, then they have to place there, unless they pretend to create a stereotypal image from Iberian people like southnerss

[Jana]

No, it's not the case. First, it's not "North-African" it's Sephardic Jews from North-Africa, which is not the same. And the "compensation" for a high North-West score would rather be with a component like Sardinian or Italian but, not with "Sephardic" unless there is real jewish ancestry, which there is, because "Porto" is not even a spanish surname, but jewish.

This is a true spanish results (myself):

https://i.ibb.co/cFnd04b/heritage.png

Sorry I didn't read his NA is Sephardic.
Nevertheless, Myheritage is not reliable.

Croats are one of Balkan reference populations and my Balkan score is 0. But on gedmatch and G25 I am very typical for my ethnicity.

This person gedmatch can tell truth about his origins. Surname can mean he had Sepharic ancestor centuries ago, or just one generation ago. We simply don't know.