ancient genomes from y-str.org run through tolan k71

[loschbour_man]

Ajvide52_Sweden_M_HIJK_F929_HV0a_5000_
Component %
4-Poland_Sudovia 68,62%
54-Orcadia 20,69%
2-Denmark 4,31%
24-Finland_SW 3,19%
63-Sub-Sahara 1,37%
1-Sweden 1,03%
28-Estonian 0,42%
27-Norway_north 0,14%
53-Norway 0,13%
3-North_Poland 0,05%
47-Basque 0,02%
52-Netherlands 0,02%
36-SW-England 0,01%
43-Rhone-Alpes 0,01%

Ajvide70_Sweden_F_U4d_5000_
Component %
4-Poland_Sudovia 51,97%
28-Estonian 32,33%
2-Denmark 5,29%
54-Orcadia 4,27%
27-Norway_north 2,58%
3-North_Poland 2,54%
1-Sweden 0,65%
24-Finland_SW 0,14%
36-SW-England 0,11%
53-Norway 0,11%

RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro_U5a2d_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 66,18%
13-Sardinia_Italia 18,01%
66-North_Africa 13,6%
60-East_Africa 2,2%

RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro_F_X_
Component %
4-Poland_Sudovia 86,51%
47-Basque 9,21%
63-Sub-Sahara 3,74%
29-Belarusia_East 0,49%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,02%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,02%
3-North_Poland 0,01%

Oase_Peştera_cu_Oase_Romania_M_F_P158_N_37_000_42_ 000_
Component %
62-India 30,9%
43-Rhone-Alpes 27,33%
67-Oceania 22,51%
63-Sub-Sahara 16,72%
60-East_Africa 1,86%
27-Norway_north 0,28%
53-Norway 0,13%
54-Orcadia 0,09%
24-Finland_SW 0,06%
2-Denmark 0,04%
52-Netherlands 0,03%
1-Sweden 0,02%
36-SW-England 0,02%
51-NE-England 0,02%
35-Ireland 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html

[loschbour_man]

6dt23 Gladiator York
90383

Ers1790733
90384

Hinxton4
90385

Hinxton5 Anglo-saxon
90386

I099 LBA Germany
90387

[loschbour_man]

Vi33.26_Neanderthal_Vindija_cave_Croatia_F_44_450_
Component %
63-Sub-Sahara 94,68%
25-Saami 3,45%
47-Basque 1,07%
24-Finland_SW 0,27%
26-Karelia 0,22%
67-Oceania 0,15%
55-Amerindian 0,12%
27-Norway_north 0,01%

Vi33.25_Neanderthal_Vindija_cave_Croatia_F_
Component %
63-Sub-Sahara 94,26%
25-Saami 1,11%
67-Oceania 1,11%
55-Amerindian 1%
26-Karelia 0,83%
24-Finland_SW 0,66%
61-Japon 0,37%
59-China 0,2%
28-Estonian 0,14%
27-Norway_north 0,08%
4-Poland_Sudovia 0,04%
1-Sweden 0,03%
2-Denmark 0,02%
3-North_Poland 0,02%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,02%
53-Norway 0,02%
69-Siberia 0,02%
29-Belarusia_East 0,01%
30-Germany_East 0,01%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,01%
36-SW-England 0,01%
40-North-Germany 0,01%
52-Netherlands 0,01%
54-Orcadia 0,01%

Vi33.16_Neanderthal_Vindija_cave_Croatia_F_38_310_
Component %
63-Sub-Sahara 94,52%
67-Oceania 1,93%
4-Poland_Sudovia 1,82%
55-Amerindian 0,74%
3-North_Poland 0,4%
29-Belarusia_East 0,21%
28-Estonian 0,11%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,06%
69-Siberia 0,06%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,03%
26-Karelia 0,02%
1-Sweden 0,01%
2-Denmark 0,01%
25-Saami 0,01%
30-Germany_East 0,01%
53-Norway 0,01%
54-Orcadia 0,01%
59-China 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

90391
90392
90393
90394

from here
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/pre/k71.htm

[loschbour_man]

Vi33.26_Neanderthal_Vindija_cave_Croatia_F_44_450_
Component %
63-Sub-Sahara 94,68%
25-Saami 3,45%
47-Basque 1,07%
24-Finland_SW 0,27%
26-Karelia 0,22%
67-Oceania 0,15%
55-Amerindian 0,12%
27-Norway_north 0,01%

Vi33.25_Neanderthal_Vindija_cave_Croatia_F_
Component %
63-Sub-Sahara 94,26%
25-Saami 1,11%
67-Oceania 1,11%
55-Amerindian 1%
26-Karelia 0,83%
24-Finland_SW 0,66%
61-Japon 0,37%
59-China 0,2%
28-Estonian 0,14%
27-Norway_north 0,08%
4-Poland_Sudovia 0,04%
1-Sweden 0,03%
2-Denmark 0,02%
3-North_Poland 0,02%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,02%
53-Norway 0,02%
69-Siberia 0,02%
29-Belarusia_East 0,01%
30-Germany_East 0,01%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,01%
36-SW-England 0,01%
40-North-Germany 0,01%
52-Netherlands 0,01%
54-Orcadia 0,01%

Vi33.16_Neanderthal_Vindija_cave_Croatia_F_38_310_
Component %
63-Sub-Sahara 94,52%
67-Oceania 1,93%
4-Poland_Sudovia 1,82%
55-Amerindian 0,74%
3-North_Poland 0,4%
29-Belarusia_East 0,21%
28-Estonian 0,11%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,06%
69-Siberia 0,06%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,03%
26-Karelia 0,02%
1-Sweden 0,01%
2-Denmark 0,01%
25-Saami 0,01%
30-Germany_East 0,01%
53-Norway 0,01%
54-Orcadia 0,01%
59-China 0,01%

this was unexpected... it seems that blonde people are neanderthals after all

[loschbour_man]

Hinxton_1_Cambridgshire_UK_M_R_L151_K1a1b1b_2000_y ears_
Component %
54-Orcadia 54,08%
36-SW-England 30,99%
43-Rhone-Alpes 9,41%
42-West-Brittany 3,53%
35-Ireland 1,03%
53-Norway 0,89%
51-NE-England 0,06%
2-Denmark 0,01%
52-Netherlands 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

Afontova_Gora_2_South_Central_Siberia_M_R1_R_17_00 0_
Component %
28-Estonian 65,8%
68-Pakistan 11,75%
4-Poland_Sudovia 11,02%
55-Amerindian 9,76%
63-Sub-Sahara 1,33%
26-Karelia 0,24%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,09%
24-Finland_SW 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

Ajvide53_Sweden_F_U4d_5000_
Component %
24-Finland_SW 63,49%
47-Basque 16,07%
4-Poland_Sudovia 12,86%
27-Norway_north 3,05%
55-Amerindian 1,74%
26-Karelia 1,64%
28-Estonian 1,11%
53-Norway 0,04%

Ajvide59_Sweden_M_I_PF3796_U5b2c1_5000_
Component %
28-Estonian 88,3%
63-Sub-Sahara 5,03%
26-Karelia 4,28%
24-Finland_SW 2,22%
4-Poland_Sudovia 0,16%

AusAboriginal_Western_Austalian_M_F_M235_O1a_100_
Component %
67-Oceania 99,59%
63-Sub-Sahara 0,41%

BAR100_Barcin_Turkey_8400
Component %
13-Sardinia_Italia 99,67%
47-Basque 0,33%

Black_Death_Victim_#8291_East_Smithfield_cemetery_ London_UK_H1_1348_AD_
Component %
36-SW-England 58,08%
43-Rhone-Alpes 25,39%
51-NE-England 7%
47-Basque 3,19%
67-Oceania 3,04%
55-Amerindian 1,6%
63-Sub-Sahara 1,14%
2-Denmark 0,32%
54-Orcadia 0,2%
5-Belgium 0,03%
42-West-Brittany 0,01%
52-Netherlands 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

BR1_Kompolt_Kigyósér_Hungary_F_K1c1_1980_2190_BC_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 82,49%
4-Poland_Sudovia 16,84%
3-North_Poland 0,62%
54-Orcadia 0,02%
2-Denmark 0,01%
30-Germany_East 0,01%
52-Netherlands 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

BR2_Ludas_Varjú_dűlő_Hungary_F999933_M_J_M67_K1a1a _1110_1270_BC
Component %
5-Belgium 23,61%
3-North_Poland 12,82%
43-Rhone-Alpes 12,21%
13-Sardinia_Italia 9,56%
22-Slovakia 9,3%
46-SW_France 6,11%
37-Croatia 5,04%
30-Germany_East 3,53%
48-Baleares 3,32%
4-Poland_Sudovia 3,2%
44-Armorica 2,53%
47-Basque 1,88%
29-Belarusia_East 1,82%
21-Tyrol_Austria 1,09%
31-Ukraine_West 0,82%
49-Spain 0,53%
6-Piedmont_Italia 0,52%
41-South-Germany 0,49%
38-Serbia 0,4%
7-Venezio_Italia 0,22%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,22%
45-Cotentin 0,21%
2-Denmark 0,12%
36-SW-England 0,11%
52-Netherlands 0,1%
54-Orcadia 0,08%
17-Albania 0,05%
28-Estonian 0,03%
16-Montenegro 0,02%
40-North-Germany 0,02%
42-West-Brittany 0,02%
1-Sweden 0,01%
51-NE-England 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

IR1_Ludas_Varjú_dűlő_Hungary_F999929_M_N_M231_G2a1 _830_980_BC
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 67,19%
32-Russia_Kursk 8,98%
4-Poland_Sudovia 7,78%
58-Caucasus 6,67%
28-Estonian 3,53%
27-Norway_north 2,13%
29-Belarusia_East 1,91%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,39%
22-Slovakia 0,36%
3-North_Poland 0,32%
31-Ukraine_West 0,2%
53-Norway 0,15%
26-Karelia 0,09%
30-Germany_East 0,06%
52-Netherlands 0,06%
54-Orcadia 0,06%
2-Denmark 0,04%
24-Finland_SW 0,04%
1-Sweden 0,03%
35-Ireland 0,01%
55-Amerindian 0,01%

RISE568_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_H_
Component %
4-Poland_Sudovia 67,47%
43-Rhone-Alpes 32,07%
3-North_Poland 0,36%
29-Belarusia_East 0,07%
22-Slovakia 0,01%
30-Germany_East 0,01%

[WeirdLookingFellow]

If BR2 is mostly NW European and J2, how does a Eastern European like me have him as my closest sample in all ancient calculators? Also how does Bavaria STR310 score? She is rather clearly south-eastern European. My gf scored STR310 as her closest with BR2 after, for me it's the other way around and we both score RISE569 3rd.

[loschbour_man]

If BR2 is mostly NW European and J2, how does a Eastern European like me have him as my closest sample in all ancient calculators? Also how does Bavaria STR310 score? She is rather clearly south-eastern European. My gf scored STR310 as her closest with BR2 after, for me it's the other way around and we both score RISE569 3rd.

br1 and br2 act weirdly in calculators. in the original scientific paper it said they were like modern-day French. in eurogenes calcualtors they appear close to modern day Hungarians, in some other calculators they are Germanic.
in tolan k71 it seems he has some early Celtic influence (Belgium...), some pre-Indo-European(Sardinian, Basque) nut he is mostly something pre-Germanic and pre-Slavic central-European? (Poland-north, East Germany, Slovakia, Croatia...). AND he scores almost none Germanic.

what are your tolan k71 results?

I don't have access to bavaria str310 autosomal file but i have his k36 results. he is a Roman+German mix?
Amerindian 0.00
Arabian 0.00
Armenian 3.00
Basque 0.70
Central_African 0.00
Central_Euro 5.07
East_African 0.00
East_Asian 0.00
East_Balkan 5.20
East_Central_Asian 0.65
East_Central_Euro 3.72
East_Med 3.90
Eastern_Euro 2.81
Fennoscandian 7.74
French 0.72
Iberian 11.01
Indo_Chinese 0.00
Italian 12.47
Malayan 0.00
Near_Eastern 6.36
North_African 0.00
North_Atlantic 3.58
North_Caucasian 10.73
North_Sea 10.21
Northeast_African 0.00
Oceanian 0.68
Omotic 0.00
Pygmy 0.00
Siberian 0.00
South_Asian 0.56
South_Central_Asian 0.00
South_Chinese 0.00
Volga_Ural 0.53
West_African 0.14
West_Caucasian 5.04
West_Med 5.17

[loschbour_man]

RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_F999954_H1af2_200 0
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 67,31%
4-Poland_Sudovia 31,92%
3-North_Poland 0,5%
29-Belarusia_East 0,07%
30-Germany_East 0,06%
52-Netherlands 0,05%
54-Orcadia 0,04%
2-Denmark 0,02%
22-Slovakia 0,02%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,01%

[WeirdLookingFellow]

RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_F999954_H1af2_200 0
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 67,31%
4-Poland_Sudovia 31,92%
3-North_Poland 0,5%
29-Belarusia_East 0,07%
30-Germany_East 0,06%
52-Netherlands 0,05%
54-Orcadia 0,04%
2-Denmark 0,02%
22-Slovakia 0,02%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,01%

Impressively Central European.

I don't know how to do the Tokan K71, found some stuff but it honestly beats me, if you have the time could you offer a guide via PM or share a post on how to do it?

[loschbour_man]

Impressively Central European.

I don't know how to do the Tokan K71, found some stuff but it honestly beats me, if you have the time could you offer a guide via PM or share a post on how to do it?

i would say Rhone alpes is a Bell beaker component, and Poland_Sudovia is Corded ware(but they remained the purest in modern day Rhone alpes and Baltic people respectively)

tolan k71 is in admixture studio, free app http://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/

[loschbour_man]

bulgarian samples are all over the place. but they are also low quality

V2_Vratitsa_Bulgaria_M_U2e1_2_3_1500_1100_BC_
Component %
26-Karelia 29,03%
13-Sardinia_Italia 28,53%
58-Caucasus 20,24%
47-Basque 10,65%
68-Pakistan 7,32%
59-China 3,96%
24-Finland_SW 0,25%
33-Russia_Rostov 0,01%
61-Japon 0,01%
this one seems as a combination of neolithic(sardinia, basque) and something from the steppes, but not corded ware or bell beaker like in the rest of europe(karelia(ehg)+caucasus(chg)+asian influence+pakistan, which is connected to r1a-z93 in this calcualtor)

K8_Krushare_Bulgaria_M_R_450_400_BC_
Component %
47-Basque 75,95%
52-Netherlands 9,61%
13-Sardinia_Italia 7,71%
63-Sub-Sahara 6,35%
45-Cotentin 0,2%
51-NE-England 0,06%
36-SW-England 0,05%
43-Rhone-Alpes 0,03%
5-Belgium 0,02%
54-Orcadia 0,02%
this one is completely different, neolithic+ celtic.

P192_1_Svilengrad_Bulgaria_M_U3b_800_500_BC_
Component %
58-Caucasus 45,89%
18-Thrace_Greece 43,44%
47-Basque 4,93%
66-North_Africa 3,21%
63-Sub-Sahara 2,26%
51-NE-England 0,17%
14-Canary 0,05%
54-Orcadia 0,04%
46-SW_France 0,02%
this one is very caucasian and some traces of Celtic. Minoans were also half Caucasian, but this is much later, 800-500bc. and he also seems to be an ancestor of modern day thrace greeks.

[loschbour_man]

Hungarian bronze age, they are all bell beaker(Rhone-Alpes) + neolithic farmers(Sardinia, Basque, Spain...)

RISE247_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_M_I_L1228_H 11_3372_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 68,87%
13-Sardinia_Italia 31,01%
47-Basque 0,06%
49-Spain 0,02%
8-Tuscany_Italia 0,01%
11-Corsica_France 0,01%
46-SW_France 0,01%
48-Baleares 0,01%

RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_GHIJK_Z1220 3_J1c9_3631_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 77,78%
13-Sardinia_Italia 20,53%
47-Basque 1,69%

RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_F_T2b3_3588 _
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 87,2%
13-Sardinia_Italia 10,48%
63-Sub-Sahara 1,39%
60-East_Africa 0,69%
66-North_Africa 0,23%


RISE371_Szoreg_C_(Sziv_Utca)_Hungary_F_U5a2b_3653_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 99,1%
4-Poland_Sudovia 0,58%
3-North_Poland 0,11%
29-Belarusia_East 0,05%
54-Orcadia 0,04%
22-Slovakia 0,03%
30-Germany_East 0,02%
2-Denmark 0,01%
28-Estonian 0,01%
32-Russia_Kursk 0,01%
52-Netherlands 0,01%


RISE373_Szoreg_C_(Sziv_Utca)_Hungary_F_K1a2a_3476_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 97,63%
13-Sardinia_Italia 2,32%
47-Basque 0,05%


RISE374_Szoreg_C_(Sziv_Utca)_Hungary_M_G_F3344_T2b _3402_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 94,7%
13-Sardinia_Italia 4,72%
8-Tuscany_Italia 0,41%
11-Corsica_France 0,08%
9-Lazio_Italia 0,03%
63-Sub-Sahara 0,02%
6-Piedmont_Italia 0,01%
17-Albania 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

Erd Hungary samples. first one is dated to ~0 BC, and he has Poland_Sudovia on top of Rhone-Alpes. that probably came in the iron age, the Montenegrin iron age sample also has it. the others aren't dated but they are obviously bronze age invaders.

RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_F999944_M_I_L1228_T2b_2000
Component %
4-Poland_Sudovia 51,89%
43-Rhone-Alpes 47,33%
3-North_Poland 0,7%
29-Belarusia_East 0,05%
30-Germany_East 0,02%
22-Slovakia 0,01%
54-Orcadia 0,01%


RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary_U5a2a_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 99,84%
13-Sardinia_Italia 0,1%
47-Basque 0,04%


RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary_CT_M5751_H2a1_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 90,55%
13-Sardinia_Italia 9,37%
47-Basque 0,08%


RISE484_Erd_4_Hungary_T1a1_
Component %
43-Rhone-Alpes 99,69%
47-Basque 0,29%
54-Orcadia 0,01%

[loschbour_man]

If BR2 is mostly NW European and J2, how does a Eastern European like me have him as my closest sample in all ancient calculators? Also how does Bavaria STR310 score? She is rather clearly south-eastern European. My gf scored STR310 as her closest with BR2 after, for me it's the other way around and we both score RISE569 3rd.

90486

this analysis of BR2 agrees with the tolan k71. he also gets northern Poland and surrounding areas. but his Celtic is focused in Wales instead of Belgium. i think the reason is very simple, TolanK71 doesn't have a Welsh sample in it, so a lot of the Celtic SNPs ended up in the Belgian component it seems.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

i would say Rhone alpes is a Bell beaker component, and Poland_Sudovia is Corded ware(but they remained the purest in modern day Rhone alpes and Baltic people respectively)

tolan k71 is in admixture studio, free app http://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/

Thanks https://i.imgur.com/P87DuGE.png

[loschbour_man]

Thanks https://i.imgur.com/P87DuGE.png

interesting. Croatia, Montenegro, etc. seem to be Illyrian components in Tolan k71. you score more of them than actual South Slavs. they get more Poland, Belarus etc. than you

[WeirdLookingFellow]

interesting. Croatia, Montenegro, etc. seem to be Illyrian components in Tolan k71. you score more of them than actual South Slavs. they get more Poland, Belarus etc. than you

I should do a 23andme based on all the info I have I bet my Y-DNA is J2a1.