The origin of Gagauz people? [orthodox turks]

[andre]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people
-What historical origin do you think they have?
-Are they genetically perfectly Balkanic?
-What do Turkish users think of their origin?

[PaleoEuropean]

Prolly converted by the Cossack's

[Kaspias]

They don't speak Turkish with the same accent as their neighbors, Balkan Turks. The Turkish which they speak includes some elements from Iranian Turkmens, Azerbaijani Turks unlike proper Turkish. This may suggest that they are remnants of the Seljuk colonization of Ludogorie, and historical records in the same parallel with this suggestion. I'm still interested in other comments though.

It is already clear that they don't have a noteworthy amount of East Eurasian, but almost every individual score some whatever the amount is, this also points out a Turkic ancestor somewhere in their past.

[Voskos]

Anatolians assimilated genetically by Balkanites.

[Dušan]

They are genetically Balkanites.
In some calculators I got Gagauz in 4 populations approximation. Yet, I dont have any significiant Turkic admixture.

[loschbour_man]

They have 2.2% haplogroup N, and Romanians have less then 1%, according to wikipedia. Maybe that's the group they got their language from.

[Nurzat]

I've got a half Gagauz close friend from the Rep. of Moldova. he says they don't speak the language anymore, at least the youth. they speak Russian instead and usually avoid learning or using Romanian. he also sais they get a lot of attention from Turkey and are given scholarships to study in Turkey, and in most cases they struggle with the Turkish language. culturally the Gagauz of Moldova are just Soviet (the elders) and post-Soviet (the youth). their region is autonomous in the Rep. of Moldova and they are very much against a EU/NATO adherence of Moldova, while they'd very much like to join Russia.

ethnic composition of the autonomous region Gagauz Yeri within Moldova:

Gagauz - 112,403 - 83.8%
Bulgarians - 6,573 - 4.9%
Moldovans - 6,304 - 4.7%
Russians - 4,292 - 3.2%
Ukrainians - 3,353 - 2.5%

[War Chef]

They have 2.2% haplogroup N, and Romanians have less then 1%, according to wikipedia. Maybe that's the group they got their language from.

Compared to their neighbors their haplogroup G is unusually high, 15-20% range. Could be indicative of middle-eastern ancestry, or Alan.

[andre]

am I really fascinated by how in ancient times some minorities were able to assimilate large numbers of natives (Turks, Hungarians etc.) .. how is it possible to assimilate linguistically in the Middle Ages without schools / education?

[Nurzat]

am I really fascinated by how in ancient times some minorities were able to assimilate large numbers of natives (Turks, Hungarians etc.) .. how is it possible to assimilate linguistically in the Middle Ages without schools / education?

dunno, but I see how fast we Ukrainians get assimilated in Romania without Romania even trying to assimilate us, lol. it's just that we only have villages so people naturally leave to towns and cities where they cannot speak their language anymore and most choose not to speak it to their children. but for the Medieval times it is indeed interesting, since very few could leave the village and a community doesn't change its language unless it becomes a minority in its own living space.

[Jana]

Balkan. They are genetically same as eastern Bulgarians and southern Romanians.

Gagauz are more Balkanic and less Slavic than Moldovans.

[Jana]

My conclusion is their origin is mostly Thracian with some Slavic admixture.

[Aspirin]

Lemgrant posted in this thread an Moldavian with mostly Gagauz ancestry.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?293803-Some-23andme-results-of-Moldavians-from-R-Moldova&p=6114205&viewfull=1#post6114205

[PAGANE]

Gagauz belong to the Y-DNA haplogroups I2 (23.6%), R1a (19.1%), G (13.5%), R1b (12.4%), E1b1b1a (11.1%), J2 (5.6%) and N (2.2%). Phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA indicates the closest relationship between the Gagauz and the Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs. The word "Gagauz" itself is of unclear origin and they were not mentioned anywhere by that name before coming to Bessarabia and for decades afterwards. The Turkic language they speak is typical of the Balkans, northeastern Bulgaria, Bitola and Kumanovo, northern Greece, containing Turkish and non-Turkish (Tatar, Kuman, etc.) elements, the Gagauz dialect being divided into "Bulgarian" Komrat and seaside or southern - Vulcanistko Linguistic analysis shows that the Kuman, Pecheneg, and Uzi languages ​​are from a completely different branch of the Turkic family than the Gagauz-language (Turkish) dialect. Until the middle of the 20th century, different alphabets used to be incidentally used, but in fact the adverb was unwritten, then the USSR created a written language, began to publish textbooks, published several dictionaries, textbooks and books. but in the early 70's training stopped and only a small number of copies were issued. According to the researchers, the language itself represents Turkish words with a Bulgarian vocabulary. "The Gagauz are Turkish-speaking Bulgarians, but retained their Orthodox faith. he name itself does not come from old Ottoman documents, but appears only recorded in the last quarter of the nineteenth century as a late Russo-Romanian, etc. exonym finally imposed by the Soviet authorities, while the Gagauzes considered it pejorative (offensive) and self-identified and they define it uniquely as: "Old Bulgarian Bulgarians" - "Eski Bulgars" and say for themselves "Biz Eski Bulgars- - "We are Old Bulgarians" All Gagauzes come from a narrow region of northeastern Bulgaria - the region of Varna, Balchik, Kavarna. Until 1868, the term Gagauz was not mentioned in any document, but was recorded everywhere as Bulgarians. Their folklore is no different from Bulgarian, and their songs are often bilingual, ie. Gagauz are now an ethnic minority in Moldova and Ukraine. Gagauz nationalism was formed in the 1980s. In Moldova, before the secession of the pro-Russian Transnistrian Republic on 19 August 1990, an independent Gagauzia was proclaimed. At the beginning of the 19th century after the Russo-Turkish war of 1828-29, when there was another great migration of the Bulgarian population after the Russian army in the direction of the Russian Empire. They were then settled in Bessarabia-Budzhak. After the expulsions in the nineteenth century south of the Danube, the population of the Gagauz ethnographic group is preserved in Bulgaria around Varna, Kavarna (the center is the village of Bulgarevo, etc.), Provadia, Shumen, Yambol, Haskovo, Elhovsko, Starozagorsko, etc. (called sometimes seaside or Hasli, ie patriarchs, "Bulgarian", ie exarchists, and even gossip - Sunnis in the Bulgarian lands and Orthodox in Bessarabia); in Edirne Thrace around Edirne and Hausa (referred to as surguchi, terns, etc. exonyms and nicknames) and in Aegean Macedonia - in the area I have died with the center of Zilyahovo, today in Greece (also called Urumqi). Some of the southern Gagauz are identified as Bulgarians, and some of these Gagauz communities are Greek-speaking, and after the Liberation of Bulgaria in 1878 some such Gagauzes moved to Greece. Most of the Gagauzes in the Thracian region of Edirne first emigrated during the Balkan wars - in Bulgaria around Yambol and Svilengrad, and after the defeat of the Greeks in the Greek-Turkish War of 1919 - 1922, and the Western Thrace, which Greece had just acquired. Today they inhabit several villages in the area of ​​Orestiada and Dimotica.

[Ayetooey]

Gagauz belong to the Y-DNA haplogroups I2 (23.6%), R1a (19.1%), G (13.5%), R1b (12.4%), E1b1b1a (11.1%), J2 (5.6%) and N (2.2%). Phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA indicates the closest relationship between the Gagauz and the Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs. The word "Gagauz" itself is of unclear origin and they were not mentioned anywhere by that name before coming to Bessarabia and for decades afterwards. The Turkic language they speak is typical of the Balkans, northeastern Bulgaria, Bitola and Kumanovo, northern Greece, containing Turkish and non-Turkish (Tatar, Kuman, etc.) elements, the Gagauz dialect being divided into "Bulgarian" Komrat and seaside or southern - Vulcanistko Linguistic analysis shows that the Kuman, Pecheneg, and Uzi languages ​​are from a completely different branch of the Turkic family than the Gagauz-language (Turkish) dialect. Until the middle of the 20th century, different alphabets used to be incidentally used, but in fact the adverb was unwritten, then the USSR created a written language, began to publish textbooks, published several dictionaries, textbooks and books. but in the early 70's training stopped and only a small number of copies were issued. According to the researchers, the language itself represents Turkish words with a Bulgarian vocabulary. "The Gagauz are Turkish-speaking Bulgarians, but retained their Orthodox faith. he name itself does not come from old Ottoman documents, but appears only recorded in the last quarter of the nineteenth century as a late Russo-Romanian, etc. exonym finally imposed by the Soviet authorities, while the Gagauzes considered it pejorative (offensive) and self-identified and they define it uniquely as: "Old Bulgarian Bulgarians" - "Eski Bulgars" and say for themselves "Biz Eski Bulgars- - "We are Old Bulgarians" All Gagauzes come from a narrow region of northeastern Bulgaria - the region of Varna, Balchik, Kavarna. Until 1868, the term Gagauz was not mentioned in any document, but was recorded everywhere as Bulgarians. Their folklore is no different from Bulgarian, and their songs are often bilingual, ie. Gagauz are now an ethnic minority in Moldova and Ukraine. Gagauz nationalism was formed in the 1980s. In Moldova, before the secession of the pro-Russian Transnistrian Republic on 19 August 1990, an independent Gagauzia was proclaimed. At the beginning of the 19th century after the Russo-Turkish war of 1828-29, when there was another great migration of the Bulgarian population after the Russian army in the direction of the Russian Empire. They were then settled in Bessarabia-Budzhak. After the expulsions in the nineteenth century south of the Danube, the population of the Gagauz ethnographic group is preserved in Bulgaria around Varna, Kavarna (the center is the village of Bulgarevo, etc.), Provadia, Shumen, Yambol, Haskovo, Elhovsko, Starozagorsko, etc. (called sometimes seaside or Hasli, ie patriarchs, "Bulgarian", ie exarchists, and even gossip - Sunnis in the Bulgarian lands and Orthodox in Bessarabia); in Edirne Thrace around Edirne and Hausa (referred to as surguchi, terns, etc. exonyms and nicknames) and in Aegean Macedonia - in the area I have died with the center of Zilyahovo, today in Greece (also called Urumqi). Some of the southern Gagauz are identified as Bulgarians, and some of these Gagauz communities are Greek-speaking, and after the Liberation of Bulgaria in 1878 some such Gagauzes moved to Greece. Most of the Gagauzes in the Thracian region of Edirne first emigrated during the Balkan wars - in Bulgaria around Yambol and Svilengrad, and after the defeat of the Greeks in the Greek-Turkish War of 1919 - 1922, and the Western Thrace, which Greece had just acquired. Today they inhabit several villages in the area of ​​Orestiada and Dimotica.

Quite high I2. They're just mostly local by the looks of it. The G is quite high tho; perhaps some of those subclades are of recent anatolian/caucasian origin.

[Leto]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people
-What historical origin do you think they have?
-Are they genetically perfectly Balkanic?
-What do Turkish users think of their origin?
Read this thread (it is quite long)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234346-Gagauz-people-admixture

[Psycho]

Turkish speaking Bulgarians

[Aspirin]

Turkish speaking Bulgarians

You are right, they are turkified Bulgarians. Genetically they don't have anything to do with Turks. They are Orthodox Christians which indicate a relative recent linguistic assimilation (probably 17th - early 18th century).

[djipon]

Bulgarians. G25 horror for all Bulgarians, as they often get the closest distance ... xD

[Geba]

They are just Russians who receive money from Moscow and wish for their master Putin to come to free them. I hope Maia Sandu keeps them in check.

[Psycho]

You are right, they are turkified Bulgarians. Genetically they don't have anything to do with Turks. They are Orthodox Christians which indicate a relative recent linguistic assimilation (probably 17th - early 18th century).

I know bro, they accepted Turkish language, but keep Orthodox faith. Unlike Pomaks who accepted Islam, but keep Bulgarian language.