My 24genetics results are in [ROMANIAN]

[andre]

90522
90523
90524
90525

[Pine]

Your results aren't that absurd if you're 1/4 Jewish.

[andre]

...

[andre]

Your results aren't that absurd if you're 1/4 Jewish.

no, i'm only 1.4% ashkenazi

[Pine]

no, i'm only 1.4% ashkenazi

Welcome to Absurdistan.

[Bakha]

Never heard of these guys
How much is that and where they re from?

[andre]

Never heard of these guys
How much is that and where they re from?

€49.00

[Bakha]

€49.00
For raw data upload and no matches?

[TheMaestro]

What is this csángó magyar? Can you talk hungarian?

[Bakha]

Lol the company is spanish ahahah 49€ lol same absurdic test like DnaTribes
ZERO CREDIBILITY

[Bakha]

no, i'm only 1.4% ashkenazi

it means you re 0% jewish

[andre]

What is this csángó magyar? Can you talk hungarian?

Basically a mix of transilvanian romanians, szekely and some saxons and gypsys who came to Moldova to Transylvania in several periods of time (since 1200). They are Roman Catholics speaks a old hungarian dialect (my mother can spoke it, but i can undestrand a little).

[andre]

it means you re 0% jewish

No, the father of my grand grandmother was a german jew.

[Bakha]

No, the father of my grand grandmother was a german jew.
it means 0% jewish, so distant that it doesnt matter

[andre]

it means 0% jewish, so distant that it doesnt matter


Ah yes of course, let's consider only up to the grandparents..

[Bakha]

Ah yes of course, let's consider only up to the grandparents..
Well thats how they do in Israel, and only maternal side. If you have some problems with it, ask jews, not me

[andre]

Well thats how they do in Israel, and only maternal side. If you have some problems with it, ask jews, not me

Man listen, i'm not a jewish (religion), neither my great-great-great grandpa was jewish (was catholic).. he was genetically ashkenazi (yes, the ashkenazi have their own genetic cluster)

[Bakha]

Man listen, i'm not a jewish (religion), neither my great-great-great grandpa was jewish (was catholic).. he was genetically ashkenazi (yes, the ashkenazi have their own genetic cluster)

if your 3xgreat grandpa was australin aboriginal would you tell us also and brag about it? I doubt that

[andre]

if your 3xgreat grandpa was australin aboriginal would you tell us also and brag about it? I doubt that

WTF, how old are you 14/15 yo?

[Lemgrant]

I saw one result on youtube of one Latvian/Russian woman, where she got 0.1% Latvian from 24genetics. Very wrong result. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFM6s7JRj0

Her gedmatch kit number is RT8252167, and you can see there that she is almost pure Balt (Latvian/Lithuanian). 23andme also accurately assigned Latvia as her top match country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5P8NdVpy44

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Think of it as such:

1) As Bakha said, only when the mother is Jewish will the children also be Jewish. You can go to any Jew with these results but as soon as you tell them that a great-great-grandfather only was Jewish, they will shoo you away.

2) I disagree that a Great-Great-Grandfather doesn't count. That's 6.25% of Ashkenazi DNA if he was 100% Ashkenazi. The chances of being 100% Ashkenazi was low, though, so your general 1.4% result makes your Jewish ancestor around 20-25% Ashkenazi. This means that in the best situation, you actually had only a G-G-G-G-Grandfather that was fully Jewish. That's around the 1700's.

This 24genetics looks trash though. It made you 10% Middle-Eastern and unless you know you had some Arab out of nowhere great-grandfather, it's wrong. Even if it came from your Jewish ancestor (they score mostly European, not MENA), refer to point 2 for possible percentages.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Double post sorry

[Peterski]

I saw one result on youtube of one Latvian/Russian woman

She lives in Latvia (Latgale?) but her father is ethnically Russian and her mother is at least 1/2 if not more ethnically Polish (she mentions this in other videos). 23andMe's countries are based on where your cousin matches live, not where or what ethnicity you are from. If she matches other Poles and Russians from Latvia then she scores Latvia.

Also the region in Poland she scored is Suwalki which was historically part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, just like Southern Latvia.

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Edit:

These are Ilona's 23&Me results from February 2018 (same time as her 24G results), no Latvia in results, because 23&Me did not distinguish countries back then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCF8DyukVc#t=1m04s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCF8DyukVc

[Lemgrant]

She lives in Latvia (Latgale?) but her father is ethnically Russian and her mother is at least 1/2 if not more ethnically Polish (she mentions this in other videos). 23andMe's countries are based on where your cousin matches live, not where or what ethnicity you are from. If she matches other Poles and Russians from Latvia then she scores Latvia.

Also the region in Poland she scored is Suwalki which was historically part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, just like Southern Latvia.

She is ethnically Latvian/Russian with a little bit Polish. She matches Latvians, not Poles. Look at her one-to-many matches on gedmatch and run them on calculators.

[Peterski]

She is ethnically Latvian/Russian with a little bit Polish.

She calls herself "Latvian/Latgalian/Polish" on various websites, but she is 50% Russian (and not Russian from Latvia, but Russian from Russia).

"I know that my father is from North-West Russia, which is Vologda, somewhere like that" she says at 11:08 of the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFM6s7JRj0&t=11m08s

And her mother is not just a little bit Polish, but largely Polish (but probably those were ethnic Poles from what is now Southern Latvia).

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Edit: Okay I think I found my comment, it wasn't deleted, apologies.

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Edit:


She is ethnically Latvian/Russian with a little bit Polish.

Father's side is full Russian, mother's side has mostly Slavic surnames in the GEDCOM (only Bruvere sounds like Latvian surname).

Jancevski is a Polish surname and Vaivod is also Slavic (probably Belarusian, but might be Eastern Polish); not sure about Onckul:

https://i.imgur.com/86v4AZp.png

[Lemgrant]

She calls herself "Latvian/Latgalian/Polish" on various websites, but she is 50% Russian (and not Russian from Latvia, but Russian from Russia).

"I know that my father is from North-West Russia, which is Vologda, somewhere like that" she says at 11:08 of the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFM6s7JRj0&t=11m08s

And her mother is not just a little bit Polish, but largely Polish (but probably those were ethnic Poles from what is now Southern Latvia).

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She is clearly ashamed of her Slavic heritage because she deleted my comment under her video about her father being Russian, not Latvian.

But if you skip to 11:08 of the video, you can hear she mentions her father being born in Vologda Oblast in "North-West" (?) Russia.

why would she delete your comment if she says in video itself that she is half Russian? :icon_lol: doesn't make sense.

[Peterski]

why would she delete your comment if she says in video itself that she is half Russian? :icon_lol: doesn't make sense.

I don't know why - but I can't find my comment and I'm sure that it used to be there (she even replied to it).

And she is at least 25% Polish, not "a little bit". But as I said, Suwalki is a region with mostly Baltic genetics.

Check my thread "The Forgotten Minority: Latvia's Poles" (so forgotten that only DNA reveals the truth):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?267735-The-Forgotten-Minority-Latvia-s-Poles&p=5595621&viewfull=1#post5595621

I'm thinking about trying 24G because my 23&Me regions were not accurate (they gave me Podkarpackie and Cracow as top two regions, completely wrong):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292829-Peterski-s-23andMe-results&p=6097685&viewfull=1#post6097685

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Edit:

Here I found another video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be3tO1lndbI

^^^
And video's description says:

"Je suis française et ma famille vient du sud des Pays de la Loire."


Even if it came from your Jewish ancestor (they score mostly European, not MENA)

What are you talking about? Jews are more MENA than Sicilians and Sicilians are significantly MENA (and it is not all ancient).

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Edit:

According to Lukas I score French regions on 23andMe because they are using Polish Diaspora in France as references for French (not sure if true but that's his claim):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?296436-Post-your-France-23andMe-regions

If they are really so dumb that they use French samples with Polish admixture, then they probably also use Russians/Poles in Latvia as part of their Latvian references.

Ethnic Latvians have mostly Germanic-sounding surnames because Latvian peasants got surnames from their Baltic German overlords.

This Ilona has mostly ancestors with Slavic surnames, therefore it is unlikely that her ancestors (except Bruvere) were ethnic Latvians.

[Pine]

Think of it as such:

1) As Bakha said, only when the mother is Jewish will the children also be Jewish. You can go to any Jew with these results but as soon as you tell them that a great-great-grandfather only was Jewish, they will shoo you away.

2) I disagree that a Great-Great-Grandfather doesn't count. That's 6.25% of Ashkenazi DNA if he was 100% Ashkenazi. The chances of being 100% Ashkenazi was low, though, so your general 1.4% result makes your Jewish ancestor around 20-25% Ashkenazi. This means that in the best situation, you actually had only a G-G-G-G-Grandfather that was fully Jewish. That's around the 1700's.

This 24genetics looks trash though. It made you 10% Middle-Eastern and unless you know you had some Arab out of nowhere great-grandfather, it's wrong. Even if it came from your Jewish ancestor (they score mostly European, not MENA), refer to point 2 for possible percentages.

You inherit 50% from each parent, so 1.4% instead of 6.25% is possible. In fact, getting 6.20-6.3% is unlikely.

[Peterski]

You inherit 50% from each parent, so 1.4% instead of 6.25% is possible.

What if his Jewish ancestor was fully Jewish, but not Ashkenazi?

Full Sephardic Jews on 23andMe score some Ashkenazi (about 10% I think) and the rest is MENA, Italian, Iberian.

Some examples of Sephardic 23andMe results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?294094-3-Sephardic-betas

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?295754-Sephardic-Jew-23andme-BETA

Sephardic-Mizrahi Jew with 13.5% Ashkenazi:

https://i.ibb.co/mRCSWf4/Screen-Shot-2019-07-02-at-2-09-39-PM.png

All European Jews on 23andMe score some Ashkenazi (double digit percentages), but only Ashkenazim score 99%.

[Lemgrant]

This Ilona has mostly ancestors with Slavic surnames, therefore it is unlikely that her ancestors (except Bruvere) were ethnic Latvians.
She is predominantly Latvian/Balto-Finn.
Those results speak for themselves:



MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:
MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Kit RT8252167

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 38.24
2 Neolithic 22.45
3 Steppe 21.85
4 Caucasian 14.73
5 Amerindian 0.88
6 SouthEastAsian 0.72
7 Arctic 0.47
8 Australian 0.38
9 Oceanic 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) 3.01
2 Latvian (Latvia) 3.75
3 Estonian (Estonia) 4.09
4 Lithuanian (Lithuania) 5.1
5 Ingrians (Ingermanland) 6.35
6 Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) 6.59
7 Finn (WestFinland) 6.73
8 Belarusian (Belarus) 6.81
9 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 6.95
10 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 6.96
11 Russians-West (WestRussian) 7.46
12 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 7.76
13 Pole (Poland) 8.04
14 Russian (CentralRussia) 8.25
15 Russian (CentralRussia) 8.35
16 Russian (Tver) 8.39
17 Cossack (Kuban) 8.45
18 Finn (Kuusamo) 8.58
19 Finn (Finland) 8.59
20 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 8.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.7% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 4.3% Basque (France) @ 2.5
2 95% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 5% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.52
3 84.1% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 15.9% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.53
4 84.5% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 15.5% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.57
5 87.7% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 12.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.58
6 95.1% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 4.9% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.67
7 89.6% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 10.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.69
8 93% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 7% French (France) @ 2.7
9 91.3% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 8.7% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.74
10 97.3% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 2.7% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.75
11 87.3% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 12.7% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.77
12 91.1% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 8.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.77
13 95.9% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 4.1% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 2.78
14 93.6% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 6.4% German (Germany) @ 2.79
15 92.7% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 7.3% English (England) @ 2.81
16 95.5% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 4.5% Spanish (Spain) @ 2.82
17 92.1% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 7.9% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.85
18 94.4% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 5.6% Welsh (Wales) @ 2.9
19 97.2% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 2.8% Italian (Bergamo) @ 2.91
20 94% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 6% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.92




MDLP World Oracle results:
Kit RT8252167

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_and_East_European 59.34
2 South_and_West_European 36.08
3 Indian 1.27
4 Melanesian 1.07
5 East_Asian 0.82
6 Caucaus_Parsia 0.81
7 Mesoamerican 0.49
8 Arctic_Amerind 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian_V 2.38
2 Lithuanian 4.28
3 Belarusian 4.41
4 Russian 4.47
5 Polish 5.51
6 Russian_Center 5.7
7 Estonian 5.89
8 Latvian 6.21
9 Polish_V 7.4
10 Russian_V 7.94
11 Belarusian_V 8.29
12 Russian_South 8.38
13 Russian_cossack 8.47
14 Ukrainian 8.79
15 Ire8 8.87
16 Inkeri 8.93
17 Ukrainian-East 9.27
18 Sorb 10.11
19 Moldavian 10.53
20 Ukrainian-Center 10.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Lithuanian_V + 2.5% Bra2 @ 1.87
2 95.9% Lithuanian_V + 4.1% Ajv52 @ 1.92
3 91.7% Latvian + 8.3% Bra1 @ 1.93
4 88.5% Estonian + 11.5% Basque @ 1.95
5 94.5% Lithuanian + 5.5% Bra1 @ 1.96
6 98% Lithuanian_V + 2% Bra1 @ 1.98
7 97.2% Lithuanian_V + 2.8% Ajv70 @ 2
8 91.9% Lithuanian + 8.1% Basque @ 2
9 92.2% Estonian + 7.8% Bra1 @ 2.05
10 97.2% Lithuanian_V + 2.8% Basque @ 2.05
11 96.4% Lithuanian_V + 3.6% Colville @ 2.06
12 99% Lithuanian_V + 1% Melanesian @ 2.07
13 98.8% Lithuanian_V + 1.2% Australian @ 2.09
14 99.1% Lithuanian_V + 0.9% Papuan @ 2.1
15 91% Lithuanian_V + 9% Swedish_V @ 2.1
16 88% Latvian + 12% Basque @ 2.11
17 98.7% Lithuanian_V + 1.3% Kusunda @ 2.11
18 93.1% Lithuanian_V + 6.9% Swedish @ 2.12
19 95.1% Lithuanian_V + 4.9% Welsh @ 2.13
20 94.1% Lithuanian_V + 5.9% Norwegian_V @ 2.13




Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit RT8252167

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.71
2 North_Atlantic 30.55
3 West_Med 7.35
4 West_Asian 1.88
5 East_Med 1.78
6 Oceanian 1.26
7 Amerindian 1.2
8 Siberian 1.15
9 South_Asian 0.78
10 Red_Sea 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 2.72
2 Estonian 4.5
3 Belorussian 5.47
4 Estonian_Polish 5.92
5 Russian_Smolensk 6.78
6 Polish 8.75
7 Finnish 8.82
8 East_Finnish 9.08
9 Southwest_Russian 9.23
10 Kargopol_Russian 9.66
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.91
12 Ukrainian 11.48
13 Erzya 11.93
14 Southwest_Finnish 12.12
15 South_Polish 12.35
16 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.93
17 La_Brana-1 17.16
18 Croatian 19.16
19 North_Swedish 19.77
20 East_German 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% Lithuanian + 30% Estonian @ 2.12
2 89.5% Lithuanian + 10.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.33
3 92.8% Lithuanian + 7.2% La_Brana-1 @ 2.38
4 86.9% Lithuanian + 13.1% Finnish @ 2.4
5 94.2% Lithuanian + 5.8% North_Swedish @ 2.43
6 96.1% Lithuanian + 3.9% Swedish @ 2.52
7 96.6% Lithuanian + 3.4% Norwegian @ 2.52
8 97% Lithuanian + 3% Orcadian @ 2.53
9 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Southeast_English @ 2.53
10 97.2% Lithuanian + 2.8% West_Scottish @ 2.54
11 97.3% Lithuanian + 2.7% Southwest_English @ 2.55
12 96.9% Lithuanian + 3.1% North_Dutch @ 2.55
13 97% Lithuanian + 3% Danish @ 2.56
14 97.3% Lithuanian + 2.7% Irish @ 2.56
15 90.6% Lithuanian + 9.4% East_Finnish @ 2.56
16 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% French_Basque @ 2.58
17 99.4% Lithuanian + 0.6% Papuan @ 2.6
18 97.3% Lithuanian + 2.7% North_German @ 2.6
19 98.3% Lithuanian + 1.7% Southwest_French @ 2.62
20 98.5% Lithuanian + 1.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.62





World9 Oracle results:
Kit RT8252167

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 83.16
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 9.57
3 Southern 2.33
4 Siberian 2.04
5 South_Asian 1.25
6 Australasian 0.84
7 Amerindian 0.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 2.39
2 Lithuanians 3
3 Swedish (Dodecad) 4.27
4 Norwegian (Dodecad) 5.05
5 Belorussian (Behar) 6.25
6 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 6.94
7 Finnish (Dodecad) 7.05
8 Polish (Dodecad) 7.52
9 Russian_B (Behar) 7.96
10 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 8.64
11 Russian (Dodecad) 8.85
12 Orcadian (HGDP) 8.93
13 Irish (Dodecad) 9.05
14 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 9.1
15 British_Isles (Dodecad) 10.35
16 British (Dodecad) 11.1
17 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 11.33
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 11.37
19 Kent (1000 Genomes) 11.43
20 Russian (HGDP) 11.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 7.5% Pais_Vasco (1000 Genomes) @ 1.39
2 92.6% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 7.4% French_Basque @ 1.39
3 72.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 27.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.49
4 68.6% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.53
5 96.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 3.6% Sardinian @ 1.57
6 94% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 6% Cantabria (1000 Genomes) @ 1.59
7 94.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.8% Aragon (1000 Genomes) @ 1.59
8 94.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.3% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000 Genomes) @ 1.64
9 94.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.6% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.65
10 94.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.2% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) @ 1.67
11 94.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.6% Valencia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.67
12 95% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 1.68
13 94.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.9% Cataluna (1000 Genomes) @ 1.68
14 94.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.1% Galicia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.69
15 94.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5.3% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.7
16 95.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 4.2% Canarias (1000 Genomes) @ 1.71
17 95% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 5% Extremadura (1000 Genomes) @ 1.72
18 95.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 4.5% Murcia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.73
19 95.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 4.8% Andalucia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.73
20 95.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 4.6% Brazilian (Dodecad) @ 1.74

[Peterski]

Those results speak for themselves

Nope, those results are no different than typical North-Eastern Polish results (who have Slavic surnames, very different than Latvian surnames, but just like Ilona's ancestors).

Ethnic Pole from Suwałki #1 ("Suwalki_Girl"):


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit A796946

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 52.93
2 North_Atlantic 28.16
3 West_Med 9.08
4 West_Asian 3.71
5 East_Med 2.1
6 Siberian 2.06
7 Sub-Saharan 0.86
8 Oceanian 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.23
10 Red_Sea 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 2.99
2 Estonian_Polish 4.45
3 Belorussian 4.74
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.25
5 Estonian 5.84
6 Southwest_Russian 7.2
7 Polish 7.72
8 Kargopol_Russian 7.77
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.86
10 East_Finnish 9.22
11 Erzya 9.62
12 Finnish 9.62
13 Ukrainian 9.67
14 South_Polish 11.08
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.17
16 Southwest_Finnish 12.98
17 Croatian 17.51
18 La_Brana-1 18.68
19 Moldavian 20.38
20 North_Swedish 20.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97% Lithuanian + 3% Sardinian @ 2.3
2 84.7% Lithuanian + 15.3% Ukrainian @ 2.46
3 69.3% Lithuanian + 30.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.5
4 92.9% Lithuanian + 7.1% Moldavian @ 2.56
5 87.6% Lithuanian + 12.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.56
6 98.5% Lithuanian + 1.5% Evens @ 2.57
7 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% Yakut @ 2.58
8 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% Evenki @ 2.58
9 96.6% Lithuanian + 3.4% North_Italian @ 2.58
10 95.5% Lithuanian + 4.5% Bulgarian @ 2.58
11 92.1% Lithuanian + 7.9% Croatian @ 2.59
12 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% Dolgan @ 2.59
13 81.9% Lithuanian + 18.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.59
14 96.8% Lithuanian + 3.2% Tuscan @ 2.6
15 96.9% Lithuanian + 3.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.6
16 95.4% Lithuanian + 4.6% Romanian @ 2.61
17 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.61
18 96.7% Lithuanian + 3.3% Southwest_French @ 2.61
19 96.6% Lithuanian + 3.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.61
20 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.61

Ethnic Pole from Suwałki #2 (Maria Misiewicz):


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T094458

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.96
2 North_Atlantic 26.63
3 West_Med 8.39
4 West_Asian 4.7
5 East_Med 3.18
6 Siberian 1.08
7 East_Asian 0.93
8 Northeast_African 0.91
9 Amerindian 0.15
10 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 3.39
2 Estonian_Polish 5.14
3 Belorussian 5.41
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.69
5 Southwest_Russian 7.1
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.38
7 Estonian 7.79
8 Kargopol_Russian 8.47
9 Polish 8.69
10 Erzya 9.29
11 Ukrainian 10.24
12 East_Finnish 10.83
13 Finnish 11.33
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.83
15 South_Polish 11.87
16 Southwest_Finnish 14.87
17 Croatian 17.95
18 La_Brana-1 19.51
19 Moldavian 20.69
20 Hungarian 21.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Lithuanian + 21.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
2 79.8% Lithuanian + 20.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.93
3 97.4% Lithuanian + 2.6% Cyprian @ 2.96
4 84.3% Lithuanian + 15.7% Erzya @ 2.97
5 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
6 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Samaritan @ 2.99
7 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3
8 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Assyrian @ 3
9 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Armenian @ 3.01
10 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.01
11 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.02
12 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.03
13 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Jordanian @ 3.04
14 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.04
15 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Abhkasian @ 3.04
16 95.6% Lithuanian + 4.4% Bulgarian @ 3.05
17 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.05
18 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.06
19 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Turkish @ 3.06
20 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Central_Greek @ 3.06

Ethnic Pole from Suwałki #3 (Witold Garbecki):


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T094458

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.96
2 North_Atlantic 26.63
3 West_Med 8.39
4 West_Asian 4.7
5 East_Med 3.18
6 Siberian 1.08
7 East_Asian 0.93
8 Northeast_African 0.91
9 Amerindian 0.15
10 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 3.39
2 Estonian_Polish 5.14
3 Belorussian 5.41
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.69
5 Southwest_Russian 7.1
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.38
7 Estonian 7.79
8 Kargopol_Russian 8.47
9 Polish 8.69
10 Erzya 9.29
11 Ukrainian 10.24
12 East_Finnish 10.83
13 Finnish 11.33
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.83
15 South_Polish 11.87
16 Southwest_Finnish 14.87
17 Croatian 17.95
18 La_Brana-1 19.51
19 Moldavian 20.69
20 Hungarian 21.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Lithuanian + 21.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
2 79.8% Lithuanian + 20.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.93
3 97.4% Lithuanian + 2.6% Cyprian @ 2.96
4 84.3% Lithuanian + 15.7% Erzya @ 2.97
5 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
6 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Samaritan @ 2.99
7 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3
8 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Assyrian @ 3
9 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Armenian @ 3.01
10 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.01
11 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.02
12 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.03
13 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Jordanian @ 3.04
14 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.04
15 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Abhkasian @ 3.04
16 95.6% Lithuanian + 4.4% Bulgarian @ 3.05
17 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.05
18 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.06
19 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Turkish @ 3.06
20 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Central_Greek @ 3.06

Etc., and so on.

[Lemgrant]

Nope, those results are no different than typical North-Eastern Polish results (who have Slavic surnames, very different than Latvian surnames, but just like Ilona's ancestors).

Ethnic Pole from Suwałki #1 ("Suwalki_Girl"):


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit A796946

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 52.93
2 North_Atlantic 28.16
3 West_Med 9.08
4 West_Asian 3.71
5 East_Med 2.1
6 Siberian 2.06
7 Sub-Saharan 0.86
8 Oceanian 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.23
10 Red_Sea 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 2.99
2 Estonian_Polish 4.45
3 Belorussian 4.74
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.25
5 Estonian 5.84
6 Southwest_Russian 7.2
7 Polish 7.72
8 Kargopol_Russian 7.77
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.86
10 East_Finnish 9.22
11 Erzya 9.62
12 Finnish 9.62
13 Ukrainian 9.67
14 South_Polish 11.08
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.17
16 Southwest_Finnish 12.98
17 Croatian 17.51
18 La_Brana-1 18.68
19 Moldavian 20.38
20 North_Swedish 20.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97% Lithuanian + 3% Sardinian @ 2.3
2 84.7% Lithuanian + 15.3% Ukrainian @ 2.46
3 69.3% Lithuanian + 30.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.5
4 92.9% Lithuanian + 7.1% Moldavian @ 2.56
5 87.6% Lithuanian + 12.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.56
6 98.5% Lithuanian + 1.5% Evens @ 2.57
7 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% Yakut @ 2.58
8 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% Evenki @ 2.58
9 96.6% Lithuanian + 3.4% North_Italian @ 2.58
10 95.5% Lithuanian + 4.5% Bulgarian @ 2.58
11 92.1% Lithuanian + 7.9% Croatian @ 2.59
12 98.4% Lithuanian + 1.6% Dolgan @ 2.59
13 81.9% Lithuanian + 18.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.59
14 96.8% Lithuanian + 3.2% Tuscan @ 2.6
15 96.9% Lithuanian + 3.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.6
16 95.4% Lithuanian + 4.6% Romanian @ 2.61
17 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.61
18 96.7% Lithuanian + 3.3% Southwest_French @ 2.61
19 96.6% Lithuanian + 3.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.61
20 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.61

Ethnic Pole from Suwałki #2 (Maria Misiewicz):


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T094458

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.96
2 North_Atlantic 26.63
3 West_Med 8.39
4 West_Asian 4.7
5 East_Med 3.18
6 Siberian 1.08
7 East_Asian 0.93
8 Northeast_African 0.91
9 Amerindian 0.15
10 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 3.39
2 Estonian_Polish 5.14
3 Belorussian 5.41
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.69
5 Southwest_Russian 7.1
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.38
7 Estonian 7.79
8 Kargopol_Russian 8.47
9 Polish 8.69
10 Erzya 9.29
11 Ukrainian 10.24
12 East_Finnish 10.83
13 Finnish 11.33
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.83
15 South_Polish 11.87
16 Southwest_Finnish 14.87
17 Croatian 17.95
18 La_Brana-1 19.51
19 Moldavian 20.69
20 Hungarian 21.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Lithuanian + 21.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
2 79.8% Lithuanian + 20.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.93
3 97.4% Lithuanian + 2.6% Cyprian @ 2.96
4 84.3% Lithuanian + 15.7% Erzya @ 2.97
5 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
6 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Samaritan @ 2.99
7 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3
8 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Assyrian @ 3
9 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Armenian @ 3.01
10 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.01
11 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.02
12 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.03
13 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Jordanian @ 3.04
14 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.04
15 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Abhkasian @ 3.04
16 95.6% Lithuanian + 4.4% Bulgarian @ 3.05
17 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.05
18 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.06
19 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Turkish @ 3.06
20 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Central_Greek @ 3.06

Ethnic Pole from Suwałki #3 (Witold Garbecki):


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T094458

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.96
2 North_Atlantic 26.63
3 West_Med 8.39
4 West_Asian 4.7
5 East_Med 3.18
6 Siberian 1.08
7 East_Asian 0.93
8 Northeast_African 0.91
9 Amerindian 0.15
10 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 3.39
2 Estonian_Polish 5.14
3 Belorussian 5.41
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.69
5 Southwest_Russian 7.1
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.38
7 Estonian 7.79
8 Kargopol_Russian 8.47
9 Polish 8.69
10 Erzya 9.29
11 Ukrainian 10.24
12 East_Finnish 10.83
13 Finnish 11.33
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.83
15 South_Polish 11.87
16 Southwest_Finnish 14.87
17 Croatian 17.95
18 La_Brana-1 19.51
19 Moldavian 20.69
20 Hungarian 21.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Lithuanian + 21.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
2 79.8% Lithuanian + 20.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.93
3 97.4% Lithuanian + 2.6% Cyprian @ 2.96
4 84.3% Lithuanian + 15.7% Erzya @ 2.97
5 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
6 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Samaritan @ 2.99
7 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3
8 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Assyrian @ 3
9 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Armenian @ 3.01
10 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.01
11 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.02
12 97.6% Lithuanian + 2.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.03
13 97.7% Lithuanian + 2.3% Jordanian @ 3.04
14 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.04
15 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Abhkasian @ 3.04
16 95.6% Lithuanian + 4.4% Bulgarian @ 3.05
17 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.05
18 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.06
19 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Turkish @ 3.06
20 97.1% Lithuanian + 2.9% Central_Greek @ 3.06

Etc., and so on.

Nope. Run your kits on relevant calculators that have the Latvian reference, like MDLP World and MDLP K16. The kits you have posted are closest to Poles/Belarusians.

[Peterski]

Nope. Run your kits on relevant calculators that have the Latvian reference, like MDLP World and MDLP K16. The kits you have posted are closest to Poles/Belarusians.

MDLP World and MDLP K16 use much fewer ancestry-informative SNPs than Eurogenes K13, and are less reliable.

23andMe has no Poland Suwalki reference. And their countries are based on cousin matches, not on genetic similarity.

They have "Eastern European" component (admixture) for all of Eastern Europe (including both Slavs and Balts) and they assign countries and regions to that based on where your matches live (like GEDmatch One-to-many). This tells you nothing about sub-ethnicity (beyond telling you that you have Eastern European genetics).

She has Slavic surnames in her Pedigree Chart and she scored Latvia on 23andMe because she has cousin matches in Latvia (local Russians and Poles).

[Slavic Italian]

Speaking of Gedmatch it's getting a lot better, imo.

[Lemgrant]

MDLP World and MDLP K16 use much fewer ancestry-informative SNPs than Eurogenes K13, and are less reliable.

23andMe has no Poland Suwalki reference. And their countries are based on cousin matches, not on genetic similarity.

They have "Eastern European" component (admixture) for all of Eastern Europe (including both Slavs and Balts) and they assign countries and regions to that based on where your matches live (like GEDmatch One-to-many). This tells you nothing about sub-ethnicity (beyond telling you that you have Eastern European genetics).

She has Slavic surnames in her Pedigree Chart and she scored Latvia on 23andMe because she has cousin matches in Latvia (local Russians and Poles).

No. You just cannot deal with the fact that she is not Polish from Latvia. Or you are trying to say that Latvians are Poles lol. I have Greek surname now, but I am not ethnic Greek.

[Peterski]

Ok I asked her what type of raw data file did she use and she said that her 24G report was based on transfer of her 23&Me v5 raw data file.

So this is not directly comparable to her GEDmatch results from AncestryDNA raw data which has very different (and more & better) SNPs.

The kit number you posted is Ancestry (which is using OmniExpress chip, worse for health but better for ancestry) not 23&Me v5 (GSA chip).

Besides, she tested with 24G in early 2018 - at that time 23&Me did not even distinguish categories like "Polish" or "Latvian", they still reported only "East Euro".

Every test is evolving over time and she should probably get an update to her results (and transfer AncestryDNA file, which is rather better).

Edit:

These are Ilona's 23andMe results from February 2018 (she got 24G in March 2018, but posted the video about it a month later), as you can see no Latvia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCF8DyukVc#t=1m04s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCF8DyukVc


I have Greek surname now, but I am not ethnic Greek.

Ethnicity is a mainly cultural category not genetic. Ancestry is a genetic category. You have no Greek ancestry (unless you have some Greek from Ukraine).

But you are a first generation immigrant, and not raised in Greek culture - so you are not ethnic Greek for this reason.
(however, if you were adopted into Greece as a toddler and raised by a Greek family, then you would be ethnic Greek)

[Lucas]

She is ethnically Latvian/Russian with a little bit Polish. She matches Latvians, not Poles. Look at her one-to-many matches on gedmatch and run them on calculators.

BTW she ordered LM Genetics report also in 2018. I don't remember from which company was kit (Ancestry or 23&me).

Her results shows Latvia as top single distance (at this time I didn't have Latvia divided to subregions, maybe now she will have Latvia NE).

And nMonte breakdown gives her 52% Latvia and Lithuania (maybe now she will get Latvian regions on top, Lithuania could be proxy for one of them). Rest is more than 30% Russia (mainly Smolensk and Tver), 12% Masovia and tiny percentages of Eastern Belarus and NE Ukraine. K36 nMonte didn't assign her any PL_Suwalki for some reason.

Video with oracle showed.
https://youtu.be/WrqeMBociZw?t=122 (https://youtu.be/WrqeMBociZw?t=122)

[Peterski]

BTW she ordered LM Genetics report also in [the second half of] 2018.

You did her report based on AncestryDNA raw data, not on 23andMe v5 (with this one she is closer to Western Russia, Poland and Belarus than to Latvians):

https://i.imgur.com/LvJWAmB.png


Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.55 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.41 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.94 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 23.18 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 22.35 Pct
Fennoscandian 12.66 Pct
French 1.83 Pct
Iberian 2.14 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 0.63 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.30 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 11.42 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.59 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

https://i.imgur.com/X9itIfQ.png

These results match her GEDCOM (mother's side has mostly Slavic surnames, even some immigrated from Poland like Ignat Jancevski):

https://i.imgur.com/86v4AZp.png

Ignat Jancevski - he was born in Poland (in Congress Poland [?], probably in Augustów Governorate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August%C3%B3w_Governorate)) and died in Latvia (Livani, Preili).

[Slavic Italian]

What do you guys think of the V5 chip?

[Voskos]

49 €/100= 0.49 . You payed 50 cents for every 1 percent of your ancestry.