South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

[andre]

here
https://i.imgur.com/lZkaaNP.png
Thank you, i score near what ethnicities? Who are the orange, blue and green?

[vbnetkhio]

Thank you, i score near what ethnicities? Who are the orange, blue and green?




https://i.imgur.com/feoGQtT.png

https://i.imgur.com/PukiTPL.png

https://i.imgur.com/nMiEb4G.png

https://i.imgur.com/GFKxhYW.png

https://i.imgur.com/WFns2cW.png

https://i.imgur.com/psLe9rW.png

https://i.imgur.com/mdYJUka.png

https://i.imgur.com/j58BEBJ.png

[vbnetkhio]

Thank you, i score near what ethnicities? Who are the orange, blue and green?

this is the kit you overlap with
Z402118 - Romanian

https://i.imgur.com/zVUwoej.png[/QUOTE]

[Kaspias]

I plot with Thracian. Is that Balkan Turk?

Yes. 1/2 Northern Thrace 1/4 Central BG 1/4 N. Macedonia

[andre]

this is the kit you overlap with
Z402118 - Romanian

https://i.imgur.com/zVUwoej.png[/QUOTE]

Do you know where he comes from? Which part of Romania?

[vbnetkhio]

Do you know where he comes from? Which part of Romania?[/QUOTE]

it's an anonimous sample from a scientific paper.

you can check which relatives he gets in the one to many comparison, maybe you find some region specific surnames

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/fJ1bxTq.png

Montenegrins and Sandzak Bosniaks are in this area. All other Serbs and Bosniaks are like them pulled northwards
They seem to be pulled towards that Boyko or Hutsul.

maybe Slavs plotted like that Boyko by the time they reached Serbia and Bosnia.

[vbnetkhio]

it seems that ancient Balkanians were all on this line, like Italians but slightly more Neolithic

https://i.imgur.com/Xc5PigL.png

https://i.imgur.com/D1AXgrE.png

[CommonSense]

Bulgarian (1):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 17.13
2 East_Med 16.98
3 Baltic 15.37
4 West_Med 13.66
5 Atlantic 11.85
6 Eastern_Euro 10.32
7 West_Asian 8.09
8 Red_Sea 3.7
9 Southeast_Asian 1.85
10 South_Asian 0.56
11 Oceanian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.85
2 Bulgarian 6.54
3 Serbian 7.21
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.22
5 Moldavian 11.2
6 Greek 11.77
7 Hungarian 13.24
8 Croatian 13.63
9 Tuscan 14.32
10 Austrian 14.61
11 Ashkenazi 14.94
12 North_Italian 15.55
13 Italian_Abruzzo 15.61
14 Central_Greek 15.88
15 East_Sicilian 16.61
16 West_Sicilian 16.96
17 East_German 17.8
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.53
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.28
20 South_Italian 19.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Ukrainian + 46.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.89
2 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% Estonian @ 2.91
3 68.8% Greek_Thessaly + 31.2% Ukrainian @ 2.98
4 55% Ukrainian_Lviv + 45% Italian_Jewish @ 3.09
5 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.2
6 71.8% Greek_Thessaly + 28.2% Polish @ 3.22
7 67.5% Moldavian + 32.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.28
8 74.4% Greek_Thessaly + 25.6% East_Finnish @ 3.29
9 69.2% Greek_Thessaly + 30.8% South_Polish @ 3.29
10 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.42
11 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% Belorussian @ 3.42
12 74.4% Greek_Thessaly + 25.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.42
13 72.7% Greek_Thessaly + 27.3% Southwest_Russian @ 3.43
14 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Finnish @ 3.45
15 56.9% Ashkenazi + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 3.46
16 54.2% East_Sicilian + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 3.49
17 55.5% Greek_Thessaly + 44.5% Moldavian @ 3.52
18 71.6% Moldavian + 28.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.56
19 55.3% Central_Greek + 44.7% Ukrainian @ 3.56
20 76.5% Greek_Thessaly + 23.5% Lithuanian @ 3.62

Bulgarian (2):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.73
2 West_Med 14.62
3 Baltic 14.1
4 Eastern_Euro 13.46
5 North_Sea 12.95
6 Atlantic 12.83
7 West_Asian 8.58
8 Southeast_Asian 1.78
9 Red_Sea 0.86
10 Siberian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 7.11
2 Romanian 8.46
3 Greek 9.1
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.35
5 Serbian 10.27
6 Ashkenazi 13.9
7 Moldavian 14.33
8 Tuscan 14.35
9 Central_Greek 14.37
10 Italian_Abruzzo 14.55
11 West_Sicilian 15.28
12 East_Sicilian 15.49
13 Croatian 16.42
14 North_Italian 16.43
15 Hungarian 17.21
16 Austrian 17.3
17 South_Italian 17.65
18 Italian_Jewish 20.76
19 East_German 21.47
20 Algerian_Jewish 21.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% Greek + 22.1% Erzya @ 4.71
2 77.3% Greek + 22.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.84
3 78.2% Greek + 21.8% East_Finnish @ 5
4 74.6% Greek + 25.4% Ukrainian @ 5.25
5 79.7% Greek + 20.3% Estonian @ 5.34
6 61.9% South_Italian + 38.1% Erzya @ 5.35
7 76.9% Greek + 23.1% Southwest_Russian @ 5.4
8 60.9% South_Italian + 39.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.51
9 67.3% Central_Greek + 32.7% Erzya @ 5.51
10 78.9% Greek + 21.1% Finnish @ 5.51
11 64.6% Greek + 35.4% Moldavian @ 5.51
12 76.7% Greek + 23.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.54
13 66.3% Central_Greek + 33.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.55
14 61.3% Moldavian + 38.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.59
15 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Erzya @ 5.59
16 74.7% Greek + 25.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.61
17 51% Algerian_Jewish + 49% Ukrainian @ 5.62
18 78.6% Greek + 21.4% Estonian_Polish @ 5.63
19 77.2% Greek + 22.8% Polish @ 5.63
20 75.3% Greek + 24.7% South_Polish @ 5.67

Bulgarian (3):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 17.7
2 East_Med 15.76
3 Baltic 14.53
4 Eastern_Euro 14.43
5 Atlantic 12.89
6 West_Med 11.22
7 West_Asian 9.56
8 Red_Sea 2.64
9 Oceanian 0.67
10 Amerindian 0.46
11 Southeast_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.34
2 Romanian 5.64
3 Bulgarian 7.39
4 Moldavian 9.35
5 Hungarian 11.77
6 Croatian 11.91
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.22
8 Austrian 12.77
9 Greek 13.71
10 East_German 16.21
11 Tuscan 16.58
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.97
13 Ashkenazi 17.05
14 Italian_Abruzzo 17.34
15 North_Italian 17.41
16 South_Polish 17.63
17 Ukrainian 17.72
18 Central_Greek 18.01
19 East_Sicilian 18.96
20 West_Sicilian 19.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% Serbian + 9.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.77
2 90.8% Serbian + 9.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.78
3 90.9% Serbian + 9.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.83
4 91% Serbian + 9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.85
5 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Assyrian @ 3.85
6 91.1% Serbian + 8.9% Samaritan @ 3.97
7 91% Serbian + 9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.97
8 74.4% Moldavian + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4
9 90.2% Serbian + 9.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.02
10 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.02
11 90.8% Serbian + 9.2% Jordanian @ 4.02
12 90.3% Serbian + 9.7% Syrian @ 4.04
13 65.5% Greek_Thessaly + 34.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.05
14 91.2% Serbian + 8.8% Palestinian @ 4.05
15 91.2% Serbian + 8.8% Armenian @ 4.06
16 89.9% Serbian + 10.1% Cyprian @ 4.08
17 90.9% Serbian + 9.1% Kurdish @ 4.09
18 91.1% Serbian + 8.9% Iranian @ 4.11
19 66.4% Moldavian + 33.6% Ashkenazi @ 4.15
20 90.3% Serbian + 9.7% Azeri @ 4.18



BiH Croat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.59
2 Atlantic 21.5
3 North_Sea 18.08
4 East_Med 12.27
5 West_Med 10.98
6 Eastern_Euro 8.59
7 West_Asian 4.65
8 Red_Sea 1.86
9 Amerindian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 7.42
2 Serbian 8.35
3 Croatian 8.61
4 Hungarian 8.75
5 Romanian 9.43
6 Moldavian 10.45
7 Bulgarian 10.96
8 East_German 11.99
9 South_Polish 13.85
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.05
11 Ukrainian 15.02
12 Polish 15.84
13 South_Dutch 16.19
14 French 16.48
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.55
16 North_Italian 17.02
17 West_German 17.49
18 Greek_Thessaly 17.9
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.99
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Tuscan + 46.2% Lithuanian @ 4.48
2 56.5% North_Italian + 43.5% Lithuanian @ 4.54
3 50.6% Belorussian + 49.4% Tuscan @ 4.85
4 52.2% North_Italian + 47.8% Belorussian @ 5
5 54.8% Polish + 45.2% Tuscan @ 5.3
6 53.6% Russian_Smolensk + 46.4% Tuscan @ 5.35
7 50.8% Russian_Smolensk + 49.2% North_Italian @ 5.39
8 50% Tuscan + 50% Estonian_Polish @ 5.54
9 52.4% Tuscan + 47.6% Estonian @ 5.58
10 58.7% South_Polish + 41.3% Tuscan @ 5.6
11 66.4% Austrian + 33.6% Bulgarian @ 5.71
12 60% Polish + 40% West_Sicilian @ 5.77
13 78.5% Austrian + 21.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.8
14 78.9% Austrian + 21.1% Greek @ 5.8
15 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Estonian_Polish @ 5.82
16 63.9% South_Polish + 36.1% West_Sicilian @ 5.95
17 56% South_Polish + 44% North_Italian @ 5.95
18 87.4% Austrian + 12.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.96
19 52% North_Italian + 48% Southwest_Russian @ 5.97
20 85.5% Austrian + 14.5% South_Italian @ 5.97

BiH + Dalmatian Croat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 19.99
2 Baltic 19.34
3 Atlantic 17.44
4 West_Med 14.02
5 Eastern_Euro 10.6
6 West_Asian 8.78
7 East_Med 7.54
8 Red_Sea 1.9
9 Amerindian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.18
2 Hungarian 6.33
3 Moldavian 6.44
4 Croatian 6.57
5 Austrian 7.61
6 Romanian 7.78
7 East_German 9.45
8 Bulgarian 10.38
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.22
10 South_Polish 12.64
11 Ukrainian 13.23
12 South_Dutch 14.98
13 French 15.1
14 Polish 15.33
15 West_German 15.55
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.49
17 North_Italian 16.81
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.17
19 Greek_Thessaly 17.19
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% Moldavian + 23.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.93
2 58.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.7% North_Italian @ 2.98
3 75.8% Moldavian + 24.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.03
4 78.7% Moldavian + 21.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.16
5 80.4% Moldavian + 19.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.21
6 75.3% Moldavian + 24.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.25
7 79.4% Moldavian + 20.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.25
8 78.5% Moldavian + 21.5% Southwest_French @ 3.27
9 76.3% Moldavian + 23.7% Portuguese @ 3.28
10 78.8% Moldavian + 21.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.32
11 77.6% Moldavian + 22.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.33
12 78.2% Moldavian + 21.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.34
13 52.7% East_German + 47.3% Bulgarian @ 3.36
14 79.1% Moldavian + 20.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.37
15 74.6% Croatian + 25.4% North_Italian @ 3.44
16 61.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.6% Tuscan @ 3.54
17 73.2% Moldavian + 26.8% French @ 3.55
18 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% French_Basque @ 3.59
19 75.5% Moldavian + 24.5% North_Italian @ 3.61
20 56.3% Ukrainian + 43.7% North_Italian @ 3.61

[CommonSense]

East Slavonian Croat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 17.4
2 North_Sea 16.77
3 Baltic 16.6
4 Eastern_Euro 13.07
5 East_Med 12.3
6 West_Med 10.98
7 West_Asian 10.52
8 Siberian 1.07
9 Red_Sea 0.66
10 Amerindian 0.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.67
2 Romanian 4.22
3 Bulgarian 6.71
4 Moldavian 7.43
5 Croatian 8.58
6 Austrian 8.68
7 Hungarian 9.3
8 East_German 13.15
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.63
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.93
11 South_Polish 14.95
12 Greek 14.96
13 Ukrainian 15.7
14 North_Italian 16.67
15 Tuscan 17.17
16 South_Dutch 17.37
17 Polish 17.46
18 French 17.52
19 Russian_Smolensk 17.79
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.2% Bulgarian + 24.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.23
2 85.5% Romanian + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 2.34
3 85.5% Romanian + 14.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.42
4 76.3% Bulgarian + 23.7% Finnish @ 2.49
5 85% Romanian + 15% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.53
6 77% Bulgarian + 23% East_Finnish @ 2.61
7 85.8% Romanian + 14.2% Finnish @ 2.63
8 71.9% Romanian + 28.1% Austrian @ 2.73
9 84.3% Romanian + 15.7% Polish @ 2.73
10 87.5% Romanian + 12.5% Erzya @ 2.75
11 85.1% Romanian + 14.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.78
12 87.5% Romanian + 12.5% Estonian @ 2.79
13 84.9% Romanian + 15.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.84
14 82.5% Romanian + 17.5% South_Polish @ 2.85
15 72.2% Romanian + 27.8% Croatian @ 2.86
16 86.6% Romanian + 13.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.86
17 85.1% Romanian + 14.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.89
18 86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Belorussian @ 2.94
19 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% North_Swedish @ 2.96
20 83.9% Romanian + 16.1% Ukrainian @ 3.01

[vbnetkhio]

...


could you post their k13 oracle? i think it's more accurate, it usually doesn't give Finnic or Baltic to South Slavs

[CommonSense]

Dalmatian Serb (1)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.43
2 Baltic 17.95
3 North_Sea 16.64
4 West_Med 16.21
5 Eastern_Euro 10.75
6 East_Med 9.97
7 West_Asian 7.79
8 Southeast_Asian 1.72
9 Red_Sea 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.34
2 Romanian 6.92
3 Bulgarian 8.31
4 Moldavian 8.76
5 Croatian 8.93
6 Austrian 9.38
7 Hungarian 9.87
8 East_German 12.58
9 North_Italian 14.27
10 Greek_Thessaly 15.18
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.36
12 South_Polish 15.52
13 Greek 15.72
14 French 15.83
15 Ukrainian 16.04
16 Spanish_Galicia 16.25
17 Tuscan 16.39
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.56
19 South_Dutch 16.63
20 Portuguese 16.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Croatian + 37.3% North_Italian @ 3.49
2 69.5% Moldavian + 30.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.58
3 63.4% Moldavian + 36.6% North_Italian @ 3.66
4 58.1% North_Italian + 41.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.7
5 81.3% Croatian + 18.7% Sardinian @ 3.76
6 66.4% Croatian + 33.6% Tuscan @ 3.87
7 69.8% Moldavian + 30.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.91
8 58.8% North_Italian + 41.2% Southwest_Russian @ 4.04
9 53.2% North_Italian + 46.8% Ukrainian @ 4.15
10 72.9% Moldavian + 27.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.19
11 71.5% Moldavian + 28.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.19
12 52% North_Italian + 48% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.23
13 50.6% Ukrainian + 49.4% Tuscan @ 4.29
14 57.2% North_Italian + 42.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.33
15 63.9% North_Italian + 36.1% Lithuanian @ 4.36
16 69.9% Moldavian + 30.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.37
17 51.5% South_Polish + 48.5% Tuscan @ 4.38
18 52.3% North_Italian + 47.7% South_Polish @ 4.39
19 70.7% Moldavian + 29.3% Southwest_French @ 4.41
20 82.3% Moldavian + 17.7% Sardinian @ 4.43

Dalmatian Serb (2):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.56
2 North_Sea 16.2
3 Baltic 15.8
4 West_Med 12.83
5 East_Med 11.14
6 West_Asian 10.6
7 Eastern_Euro 10.12
8 Red_Sea 1.23
9 Siberian 0.93
10 Oceanian 0.56
11 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.01
2 Serbian 5.11
3 Bulgarian 6.87
4 Austrian 8.4
5 Moldavian 9.96
6 Croatian 10.08
7 Hungarian 10.52
8 East_German 12.99
9 North_Italian 13.71
10 Greek 14.43
11 Greek_Thessaly 14.49
12 Tuscan 15.02
13 French 15.21
14 South_Dutch 15.76
15 Spanish_Cataluna 16.29
16 Spanish_Galicia 16.61
17 Portuguese 16.66
18 South_Polish 16.7
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.89
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% French_Basque @ 2.77
2 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Austrian @ 2.92
3 64.2% Austrian + 35.8% Greek @ 2.96
4 71.5% Bulgarian + 28.5% South_Dutch @ 3.03
5 75.2% Bulgarian + 24.8% North_German @ 3.04
6 78.8% Bulgarian + 21.2% Irish @ 3.07
7 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.15
8 82.8% Romanian + 17.2% Southwest_French @ 3.15
9 77.9% Bulgarian + 22.1% Southeast_English @ 3.16
10 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Southwest_English @ 3.18
11 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% East_German @ 3.21
12 71.4% Austrian + 28.6% Central_Greek @ 3.24
13 67.3% Romanian + 32.7% Austrian @ 3.32
14 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% Danish @ 3.33
15 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% South_Italian @ 3.42
16 78.9% Bulgarian + 21.1% North_Dutch @ 3.44
17 52.8% East_German + 47.2% Greek @ 3.44
18 80.8% Bulgarian + 19.2% Orcadian @ 3.45
19 84.2% Romanian + 15.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.51
20 85.1% Romanian + 14.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.52

[CommonSense]

could you post their k13 oracle? i think it's more accurate, it usually doesn't give Finnic or Baltic to South Slavs

It's probably the higher than typical Siberian score affecting the mixed-population oracle (this is for the slavonian Croat):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.16
2 North_Atlantic 25.26
3 West_Med 15.72
4 East_Med 15.65
5 West_Asian 11.51
6 Siberian 1.91
7 Amerindian 0.81
8 Red_Sea 0.67
9 East_Asian 0.31
10 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.48
2 Romanian 4.51
3 Bulgarian 6.72
4 Moldavian 7.03
5 Hungarian 9.52
6 Croatian 9.77
7 Austrian 13.03
8 East_German 14.57
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.51
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.62
12 Ukrainian 17.26
13 West_German 18
14 North_Italian 18.84
15 South_Dutch 19.6
16 French 19.69
17 Tuscan 19.84
18 Southwest_Russian 20.31
19 Polish 20.34
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Romanian + 14.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 1.81
2 86.1% Romanian + 13.9% Erzya @ 1.91
3 83.3% Romanian + 16.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.92
4 83.2% Romanian + 16.8% Southwest_Russian @ 1.92
5 86.9% Romanian + 13.1% Estonian @ 1.94
6 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian @ 1.95
7 79.2% Bulgarian + 20.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.95
8 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% East_Finnish @ 1.96
9 86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Finnish @ 1.98
10 80.3% Romanian + 19.7% South_Polish @ 1.99
11 79.9% Romanian + 20.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.08
12 87.4% Romanian + 12.6% Lithuanian @ 2.09
13 84.8% Romanian + 15.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.11
14 83.6% Romanian + 16.4% Polish @ 2.14
15 62.8% Romanian + 37.2% Moldavian @ 2.14
16 85.2% Romanian + 14.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.15
17 85.5% Romanian + 14.5% Belorussian @ 2.16
18 80.7% Bulgarian + 19.3% Finnish @ 2.18
19 70.8% Romanian + 29.2% Croatian @ 2.24
20 86.4% Romanian + 13.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.33

[vbnetkhio]

Slavonian and 1/8 Lika Croat

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.57
2 North_Atlantic 29.82
3 West_Med 12.9
4 East_Med 10.63
5 West_Asian 9.2
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 Amerindian 1.53
8 Siberian 0.71
9 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.38
2 Croatian 4.09
3 Moldavian 5.42
4 Austrian 8.04
5 Serbian 8.12
6 East_German 8.37
7 South_Polish 9.17
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.3
9 Ukrainian 10.58
10 Romanian 12.1
11 Polish 12.8
12 Southwest_Russian 14.07
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.26
14 Bulgarian 14.61
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.36
16 West_German 15.62
17 Estonian_Polish 16.03
18 Belorussian 16.36
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.88
20 South_Dutch 17.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% Hungarian + 35.1% Moldavian @ 1.98
2 56.7% Hungarian + 43.3% Croatian @ 1.98
3 76.3% South_Polish + 23.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.36
4 53.3% Serbian + 46.7% South_Polish @ 2.56
5 69.5% Polish + 30.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.56
6 86.8% Hungarian + 13.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.61
7 62% Serbian + 38% Polish @ 2.61
8 71.7% Serbian + 28.3% Estonian @ 2.65
9 81.3% Hungarian + 18.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.68
10 81.5% Moldavian + 18.5% Norwegian @ 2.68
11 57.4% South_Polish + 42.6% Romanian @ 2.71
12 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.71
13 91% Hungarian + 9% Erzya @ 2.72
14 83.5% Croatian + 16.5% West_German @ 2.73
15 78.5% Moldavian + 21.5% North_German @ 2.75
16 80% Moldavian + 20% Swedish @ 2.76
17 59.5% Estonian + 40.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.81
18 84.7% Hungarian + 15.3% Ukrainian @ 2.83
19 81.3% Moldavian + 18.7% North_Dutch @ 2.83
20 81.1% Moldavian + 18.9% Danish @ 2.84


Population
North_Sea 22.51 Pct
Atlantic 16.26 Pct
Baltic 20.97 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.57 Pct
West_Med 8.82 Pct
West_Asian 8.91 Pct
East_Med 6.28 Pct
Red_Sea 1.53 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.15 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

Central Croat

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.54
2 North_Atlantic 30.73
3 West_Med 13.04
4 East_Med 12.22
5 West_Asian 7.3
6 Oceanian 1.12
7 Amerindian 0.59
8 Siberian 0.3
9 Northeast_African 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.88
2 Croatian 4.76
3 Moldavian 6.75
4 Austrian 8.18
5 East_German 8.31
6 Serbian 8.73
7 South_Polish 8.78
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.59
9 Ukrainian 10.38
10 Polish 12.58
11 Romanian 12.86
12 Southwest_Russian 13.92
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.34
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.18
15 Bulgarian 15.22
16 Estonian_Polish 15.65
17 West_German 15.66
18 Belorussian 15.83
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.45
20 North_Swedish 16.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% South_Polish + 24% Tuscan @ 2.72
2 50.2% Serbian + 49.8% South_Polish @ 2.91
3 59.6% Hungarian + 40.4% Croatian @ 2.92
4 78.8% South_Polish + 21.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.01
5 78% South_Polish + 22% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.03
6 69.8% Serbian + 30.2% Estonian @ 3.04
7 85.7% Hungarian + 14.3% Southwest_Russian @ 3.15
8 86.5% Hungarian + 13.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.2
9 82% Hungarian + 18% Ukrainian @ 3.21
10 82.9% South_Polish + 17.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.24
11 60% Serbian + 40% Polish @ 3.3
12 88.5% Hungarian + 11.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.32
13 60.5% South_Polish + 39.5% Romanian @ 3.32
14 52% Bulgarian + 48% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.33
15 80.4% Hungarian + 19.6% South_Polish @ 3.33
16 88.7% Hungarian + 11.3% Belorussian @ 3.34
17 82.1% Hungarian + 17.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.35
18 75.2% Hungarian + 24.8% Moldavian @ 3.36
19 88.5% Hungarian + 11.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.36
20 74.7% South_Polish + 25.3% North_Italian @ 3.38

Population
North_Sea 21.65 Pct
Atlantic 20.92 Pct
Baltic 19.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.65 Pct
West_Med 7.79 Pct
West_Asian 6.58 Pct
East_Med 8.05 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.81 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Pribislav]

Serb from Kordun

1 Baltic 22.35
2 Atlantic 20.74
3 West_Med 13.12
4 North_Sea 12.37
5 Eastern_Euro 11.46
6 East_Med 10.32
7 West_Asian 7.82
8 Red_Sea 1.33
9 Siberian 1.33
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27


1 Croatian 8.08
2 Romanian 8.72
3 Serbian 9.11
4 Bulgarian 9.17
5 Moldavian 9.46
6 Austrian 9.52
7 Hungarian 11.61
8 South_Polish 14.3
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.66
10 East_German 14.66
11 Ukrainian 15.44
12 Russian_Smolensk 15.93
13 Polish 16.35
14 Greek 16.82
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.01
16 Southwest_Russian 17.55
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.74
18 North_Italian 17.94
19 Estonian_Polish 18.31
20 Belorussian 18.38

[Leto]

Serb from Kordun

1 Baltic 22.35
2 Atlantic 20.74
3 West_Med 13.12
4 North_Sea 12.37
5 Eastern_Euro 11.46
6 East_Med 10.32
7 West_Asian 7.82
8 Red_Sea 1.33
9 Siberian 1.33
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27


1 Croatian 8.08
2 Romanian 8.72
3 Serbian 9.11
4 Bulgarian 9.17
5 Moldavian 9.46
6 Austrian 9.52
7 Hungarian 11.61
8 South_Polish 14.3
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.66
10 East_German 14.66
11 Ukrainian 15.44
12 Russian_Smolensk 15.93
13 Polish 16.35
14 Greek 16.82
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.01
16 Southwest_Russian 17.55
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.74
18 North_Italian 17.94
19 Estonian_Polish 18.31
20 Belorussian 18.38
Do you have his Dodecad and/or K13? 1.3% Siberian on K15 is remarkable.

[Leto]

It's probably the higher than typical Siberian score affecting the mixed-population oracle (this is for the slavonian Croat):

Is it consistent besides Eurogenes? Dodecad World9 for example.

[Pribislav]

Do you have his Dodecad and/or K13? 1.3% Siberian on K15 is remarkable.

1 North_European 38.88
2 Atlantic_Med 29.35
3 Caucasus 22.27
4 Southwest_Asian 4.55
5 Gedrosia 2.52
6 Siberian 1.29
7 Northwest_African 0.86
8 South_Asian 0.26

[Leto]

1 North_European 38.88
2 Atlantic_Med 29.35
3 Caucasus 22.27
4 Southwest_Asian 4.55
5 Gedrosia 2.52
6 Siberian 1.29
7 Northwest_African 0.86
8 South_Asian 0.26
The same amount. Looks legit.

[CommonSense]

Is it consistent besides Eurogenes? Dodecad World9 for example.

1.25% Siberian on Dodecad K12b and 2.06 on World9, so it pretty much is.

[Dušan]

Serb from Kordun

1 Baltic 22.35
2 Atlantic 20.74
3 West_Med 13.12
4 North_Sea 12.37
5 Eastern_Euro 11.46
6 East_Med 10.32
7 West_Asian 7.82
8 Red_Sea 1.33
9 Siberian 1.33
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27



There is some mistake, because score is 101.11.

[Pribislav]

The same amount. Looks legit.

He is a Serb with highest Atlantic_Med score on K12b dodecad from what Ihave seen.

[Pribislav]

There is some mistake, because score is 101.11.

Yes.

1 Baltic 22.05
2 Atlantic 20.74
3 West_Med 13.12
4 North_Sea 12.37
5 Eastern_Euro 11.46
6 East_Med 10.32
7 West_Asian 7.82
8 Red_Sea 1.33
9 Siberian 0.53
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27

^^
Now score is 100.01.


His y dna is N-P189.2.

[Dušan]

Yes.

1 Baltic 22.05
2 Atlantic 20.74
3 West_Med 13.12
4 North_Sea 12.37
5 Eastern_Euro 11.46
6 East_Med 10.32
7 West_Asian 7.82
8 Red_Sea 1.33
9 Siberian 0.53
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27

^^
Now score is 100.01.


His y dna is N-P189.2.

https://i.imgur.com/b5wRbSJ.jpg

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/b5wRbSJ.jpg

Identical western, but little more southern than this Serb from Banija.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/bQcUQ0R.png

this image has the original proportions, you can download it and plot yourself with gen3553 and paint.

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Dick]

He is a Serb with highest Atlantic_Med score on K12b dodecad from what Ihave seen.

Here’s one. The oracles are even weirder


Population Percent
1 North_European 38.67
2 Atlantic_Med 30.62
3 Caucasus 19.4
4 Gedrosia 6.32
5 Southwest_Asian 4.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 10.37
2 Romanians (Behar) 10.64
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.42
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.69
5 German (Dodecad) 12.81
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 15.69
7 French (Dodecad) 16.31
8 French (HGDP) 16.52
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.21
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 17.27
11 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.9
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 19.07
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 19.31
14 English (Dodecad) 19.48
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.09
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 20.67
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.12
18 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 21.14
19 British (Dodecad) 21.5
20 Argyll (1000Genomes) 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% German (Dodecad) + 34.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.85
2 64.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.01
3 64.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.02
4 50.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 49.6% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.04
5 64.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.11
6 77.4% German (Dodecad) + 22.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.11
7 61.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 38.9% English (Dodecad) @ 1.14
8 63.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.5% British (Dodecad) @ 1.17
9 60.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 39.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.18
10 60.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 39.4% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.19
11 63.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.25
12 62.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 37.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.3
13 58.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 41.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.34
14 55.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 44.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.34
15 63.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.45
16 67.1% Romanians (Behar) + 32.9% British (Dodecad) @ 1.47
17 67.9% Romanians (Behar) + 32.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.48
18 68.1% Romanians (Behar) + 31.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.51
19 67.4% Romanians (Behar) + 32.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.54
20 64.4% Romanians (Behar) + 35.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.57

[Pribislav]

Here’s one. The oracles are even weirder


Population Percent
1 North_European 38.67
2 Atlantic_Med 30.62
3 Caucasus 19.4
4 Gedrosia 6.32
5 Southwest_Asian 4.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 10.37
2 Romanians (Behar) 10.64
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.42
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.69
5 German (Dodecad) 12.81
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 15.69
7 French (Dodecad) 16.31
8 French (HGDP) 16.52
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.21
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 17.27
11 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.9
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 19.07
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 19.31
14 English (Dodecad) 19.48
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.09
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 20.67
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.12
18 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 21.14
19 British (Dodecad) 21.5
20 Argyll (1000Genomes) 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% German (Dodecad) + 34.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.85
2 64.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.01
3 64.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.02
4 50.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 49.6% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.04
5 64.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.11
6 77.4% German (Dodecad) + 22.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.11
7 61.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 38.9% English (Dodecad) @ 1.14
8 63.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.5% British (Dodecad) @ 1.17
9 60.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 39.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.18
10 60.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 39.4% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.19
11 63.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.25
12 62.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 37.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.3
13 58.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 41.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.34
14 55.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 44.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.34
15 63.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.45
16 67.1% Romanians (Behar) + 32.9% British (Dodecad) @ 1.47
17 67.9% Romanians (Behar) + 32.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.48
18 68.1% Romanians (Behar) + 31.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.51
19 67.4% Romanians (Behar) + 32.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.54
20 64.4% Romanians (Behar) + 35.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.57

He is a Serb?

[vbnetkhio]

...

dodecad gives everybody German or Irish instead of Polish or Ukrainian. what does he get in k13 oracle?

[vbnetkhio]

...


mine:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.07
2 Atlantic_Med 29.93
3 Caucasus 19.93
4 Gedrosia 4.87
5 Southwest_Asian 4.73
6 Siberian 1.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 9.78
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.84
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.7
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.75
5 German (Dodecad) 13.21
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 16.63
7 French (Dodecad) 17.35
8 French (HGDP) 17.54
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.88
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.1
11 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.27
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 19.99
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 20.2
14 English (Dodecad) 20.38
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.7
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 21.48
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.54
18 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 22.13
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 22.35
20 British (Dodecad) 22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 34.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.46
2 69% Hungarians (Behar) + 31% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.47
3 69.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 30.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.51
4 66.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.61
5 60.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.66
6 50.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 49.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.7
7 71.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.7
8 66.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.76
9 66.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.76
10 64.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.77
11 62.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.8
12 60.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 39.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.85
13 58.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 41.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.85
14 68.9% Romanians (Behar) + 31.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.86
15 66.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.87
16 65.1% Romanians (Behar) + 34.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.9
17 70.6% Romanians (Behar) + 29.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.92
18 67.8% Romanians (Behar) + 32.2% English (Dodecad) @ 1.93
19 70.7% Romanians (Behar) + 29.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.93
20 67.6% Romanians (Behar) + 32.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.94

[Pribislav]

mine:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.07
2 Atlantic_Med 29.93
3 Caucasus 19.93
4 Gedrosia 4.87
5 Southwest_Asian 4.73
6 Siberian 1.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 9.78
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.84
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.7
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.75
5 German (Dodecad) 13.21
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 16.63
7 French (Dodecad) 17.35
8 French (HGDP) 17.54
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.88
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.1
11 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.27
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 19.99
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 20.2
14 English (Dodecad) 20.38
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.7
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 21.48
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.54
18 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 22.13
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 22.35
20 British (Dodecad) 22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 34.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.46
2 69% Hungarians (Behar) + 31% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.47
3 69.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 30.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.51
4 66.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.61
5 60.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.66
6 50.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 49.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.7
7 71.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.7
8 66.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.76
9 66.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.76
10 64.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.77
11 62.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.8
12 60.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 39.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.85
13 58.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 41.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.85
14 68.9% Romanians (Behar) + 31.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.86
15 66.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.87
16 65.1% Romanians (Behar) + 34.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.9
17 70.6% Romanians (Behar) + 29.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.92
18 67.8% Romanians (Behar) + 32.2% English (Dodecad) @ 1.93
19 70.7% Romanians (Behar) + 29.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.93
20 67.6% Romanians (Behar) + 32.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.94

Post your K13.

Where are you from btw?

[Yamnaya]

So macedonians are closer to slavs than to greeks?

[vbnetkhio]

Post your K13.

Where are you from btw?


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.03
2 North_Atlantic 22.35
3 West_Med 20.01
4 East_Med 14.66
5 West_Asian 6.62
6 Siberian 1.5
7 Red_Sea 1.41
8 Oceanian 1.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.03
2 Serbian 7.65
3 Croatian 9.02
4 Romanian 9.12
5 Bulgarian 10
6 Hungarian 11.77
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.65
8 Austrian 15.15
9 Ukrainian 15.6
10 East_German 15.8
11 South_Polish 15.87
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.8
13 Southwest_Russian 18.95
14 Polish 18.97
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.53
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.76
17 North_Italian 20.81
18 Estonian_Polish 20.97
19 West_German 21.23
20 Belorussian 21.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% Moldavian + 12.1% Sardinian @ 4.35
2 68.6% Southwest_Russian + 31.4% Sardinian @ 4.81
3 67.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.1% Sardinian @ 4.84
4 53.6% Ukrainian + 46.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.87
5 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.03
6 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Sardinian @ 5.18
7 66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% South_Italian @ 5.27
8 62.9% Ukrainian + 37.1% West_Sicilian @ 5.28
9 55.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 44.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.28
10 82% Croatian + 18% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.29
11 63.4% Bulgarian + 36.6% Ukrainian @ 5.31
12 70% Croatian + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.33
13 62.4% Ukrainian + 37.6% Central_Greek @ 5.33
14 54.4% Greek_Thessaly + 45.6% Estonian_Polish @ 5.33
15 63.5% Ukrainian + 36.5% East_Sicilian @ 5.34
16 60% Greek_Thessaly + 40% Lithuanian @ 5.46
17 53.9% Croatian + 46.1% Bulgarian @ 5.47
18 88.3% Moldavian + 11.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.47
19 70.8% Bulgarian + 29.2% Estonian_Polish @ 5.49
20 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.5

[vbnetkhio]

So macedonians are closer to slavs than to greeks?

they are Between Northern Greeks and Montenegrins.
this is what the kit from the center of the Macedonian cluster gets:
( Greek Thessaly is like 20% Slavic by itself, so he is more like 50%Ukrainian 50%Greek)

Kit H240830

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.59
2 North_Atlantic 21.91
3 East_Med 20.67
4 West_Med 20.35
5 West_Asian 8.57
6 Red_Sea 1.67
7 Siberian 1.04
8 Oceanian 0.67
9 South_Asian 0.45
10 East_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.86
2 Romanian 4.99
3 Serbian 7.93
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.49
5 Moldavian 13.06
6 Tuscan 14.67
7 North_Italian 15.05
8 Croatian 15.71
9 Hungarian 15.87
10 Italian_Abruzzo 16.55
11 Central_Greek 16.69
12 West_Sicilian 17.18
13 East_Sicilian 17.82
14 Austrian 18.46
15 Ashkenazi 19.03
16 East_German 20.17
17 Portuguese 20.79
18 South_Italian 20.8
19 French 21.26
20 Spanish_Galicia 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Sardinian @ 3.07
2 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% Ukrainian @ 3.1
3 63.3% Greek_Thessaly + 36.7% Croatian @ 3.31
4 76.2% Greek_Thessaly + 23.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
5 71.8% Greek_Thessaly + 28.2% South_Polish @ 3.35
6 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% Estonian @ 3.37
7 74.7% Greek_Thessaly + 25.3% Polish @ 3.41
8 76.6% Greek_Thessaly + 23.4% Belorussian @ 3.45
9 79.2% Greek_Thessaly + 20.8% Lithuanian @ 3.46
10 93.7% Bulgarian + 6.3% Southwest_French @ 3.47
11 71.2% Greek_Thessaly + 28.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.5
12 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.5
13 94% Bulgarian + 6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.53
14 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.55
15 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.55
16 90.8% Bulgarian + 9.2% North_Italian @ 3.56
17 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.57
18 93.4% Bulgarian + 6.6% Portuguese @ 3.57
19 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.58
20 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.59

[CommonSense]

Iz kog si kraja poreklom?

[Pribislav]

Serb from Northwestern Bosnia.

Dodecad K12b
North_European 41.62
Atlantic_Med 26.13
Caucasus 22.32
Gedrosia 3.36
Southwest_Asian 3.38
East_Asian 1.56
South_Asian 1.39

Dodecad K7b
Atlantic_Baltic 61.91
West_Asian 18.03
Southern 17.25
Siberian 1.11
East_Asian 1.03
South_Asian 0.67

Dodecad V3
West_European 35.9
Mediterranean 24.97
East_European 20.3
West_Asian 14.41
Southeast_Asian 0.83
Borthwest_African 0.53
Northeast_Asian 0.44
South_Asian 0.11

Unfortunately I don't have his K13 and K15.

[vbnetkhio]

Post your K13.

Where are you from btw?


Iz kog si kraja poreklom?

Šumadija and Krajina

[Insuperable]

BiH Croat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.59
2 Atlantic 21.5
3 North_Sea 18.08
4 East_Med 12.27
5 West_Med 10.98
6 Eastern_Euro 8.59
7 West_Asian 4.65
8 Red_Sea 1.86
9 Amerindian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 7.42
2 Serbian 8.35
3 Croatian 8.61
4 Hungarian 8.75
5 Romanian 9.43
6 Moldavian 10.45
7 Bulgarian 10.96
8 East_German 11.99
9 South_Polish 13.85
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.05
11 Ukrainian 15.02
12 Polish 15.84
13 South_Dutch 16.19
14 French 16.48
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.55
16 North_Italian 17.02
17 West_German 17.49
18 Greek_Thessaly 17.9
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.99
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Tuscan + 46.2% Lithuanian @ 4.48
2 56.5% North_Italian + 43.5% Lithuanian @ 4.54
3 50.6% Belorussian + 49.4% Tuscan @ 4.85
4 52.2% North_Italian + 47.8% Belorussian @ 5
5 54.8% Polish + 45.2% Tuscan @ 5.3
6 53.6% Russian_Smolensk + 46.4% Tuscan @ 5.35
7 50.8% Russian_Smolensk + 49.2% North_Italian @ 5.39
8 50% Tuscan + 50% Estonian_Polish @ 5.54
9 52.4% Tuscan + 47.6% Estonian @ 5.58
10 58.7% South_Polish + 41.3% Tuscan @ 5.6
11 66.4% Austrian + 33.6% Bulgarian @ 5.71
12 60% Polish + 40% West_Sicilian @ 5.77
13 78.5% Austrian + 21.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.8
14 78.9% Austrian + 21.1% Greek @ 5.8
15 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Estonian_Polish @ 5.82
16 63.9% South_Polish + 36.1% West_Sicilian @ 5.95
17 56% South_Polish + 44% North_Italian @ 5.95
18 87.4% Austrian + 12.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.96
19 52% North_Italian + 48% Southwest_Russian @ 5.97
20 85.5% Austrian + 14.5% South_Italian @ 5.97

Do you know where is he from? Thnx.

[Ikol]

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.39
2 North_Atlantic 27.26
3 West_Med 19.07
4 East_Med 13.43
5 West_Asian 7.34
6 Red_Sea 1.92
7 Amerindian 1.05
8 East_Asian 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.49
10 Northeast_African 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.3
2 Romanian 7.08
3 Moldavian 7.44
4 Hungarian 8.45
5 Croatian 8.75
6 Bulgarian 9.35
7 Austrian 10.72
8 East_German 12.04
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.33
10 South_Polish 15.83
11 West_German 15.9
12 Ukrainian 16.49
13 French 16.86
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.06
15 North_Italian 17.15
16 South_Dutch 17.21
17 Polish 19.25
18 Portuguese 19.39
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.44
20 Tuscan 19.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% North_Italian @ 1.91
2 69.6% Croatian + 30.4% Tuscan @ 2.14
3 54.3% Ukrainian + 45.7% Tuscan @ 2.19
4 55% North_Italian + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.47
5 56.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 43.8% Tuscan @ 2.54
6 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% North_Italian @ 2.56
7 54.5% North_Italian + 45.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.56
8 75.6% Moldavian + 24.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.76
9 52.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.1% North_Italian @ 2.77
10 50.4% Polish + 49.6% Tuscan @ 2.77
11 51% Ukrainian + 49% North_Italian @ 2.8
12 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.89
13 75.9% Moldavian + 24.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.91
14 75.1% Moldavian + 24.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.92
15 73.7% Moldavian + 26.3% Portuguese @ 2.92
16 58.4% Tuscan + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 2.97
17 76.9% Moldavian + 23.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.06
18 75.4% Moldavian + 24.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.07
19 52.8% Tuscan + 47.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.09
20 79% Moldavian + 21% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.19

Bosnian serb originally

[Leto]

Bosniak. Very Nordo-Slavic :cool:

Kit Z771934

K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.24
2 North_Atlantic 26.83
3 West_Med 12.93
4 East_Med 12.17
5 West_Asian 7.76
6 Red_Sea 1.31
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Oceanian 1.01
9 South_Asian 0.77
10 Siberian 0.6
11 Northeast_African 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.05
2 Moldavian 4.08
3 Hungarian 6.12
4 Serbian 8.42
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.45
6 South_Polish 8.97
7 Ukrainian 9.6
8 Austrian 10.97
9 East_German 11.02
10 Romanian 12.08
11 Polish 12.42
12 Southwest_Russian 12.68
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.09
14 Bulgarian 14.09
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.43
16 Estonian_Polish 14.9
17 Belorussian 15.38
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.1
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.79
20 West_German 18.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% Romanian + 43.9% Belorussian @ 1.51
2 57.9% Bulgarian + 42.1% Estonian @ 1.53
3 68% Southwest_Russian + 32% Tuscan @ 1.58
4 62.4% Romanian + 37.6% Lithuanian @ 1.61
5 60.4% Serbian + 39.6% Southwest_Russian @ 1.65
6 55.3% Romanian + 44.7% Estonian_Polish @ 1.68
7 53.2% Polish + 46.8% Bulgarian @ 1.77
8 59.2% Lithuanian + 40.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.79
9 67.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.6% Tuscan @ 1.81
10 78.3% South_Polish + 21.7% Ashkenazi @ 1.81
11 70.8% Serbian + 29.2% Lithuanian @ 1.81
12 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% Estonian_Polish @ 1.83
13 64.9% Polish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.87
14 54.5% Romanian + 45.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.87
15 72.2% South_Polish + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.87
16 66.2% Estonian_Polish + 33.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.89
17 73.5% Polish + 26.5% South_Italian @ 1.89
18 70.8% Polish + 29.2% Central_Greek @ 1.91
19 81.6% South_Polish + 18.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.91
20 61.4% South_Polish + 38.6% Bulgarian @ 1.92

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 18.8
2 Baltic 18.43
3 North_Sea 18
4 Atlantic 17.78
5 West_Med 8.57
6 East_Med 8.34
7 West_Asian 7.34
8 Red_Sea 1.15
9 Oceanian 0.72
10 Amerindian 0.58
11 Northeast_African 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.51
2 Moldavian 6.08
3 Austrian 7.2
4 Serbian 7.6
5 Hungarian 7.76
6 South_Polish 9.94
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
8 Romanian 10.78
9 East_German 10.8
10 Ukrainian 10.83
11 Polish 11.8
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.42
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.46
14 Southwest_Russian 12.79
15 Bulgarian 13.13
16 Estonian_Polish 14.53
17 Kargopol_Russian 14.64
18 Belorussian 14.78
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.8
20 East_Finnish 15.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Serbian + 32.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.06
2 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.24
3 71.1% Serbian + 28.9% Erzya @ 3.36
4 63.8% Serbian + 36.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.37
5 67.7% Serbian + 32.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.53
6 64.1% Serbian + 35.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.65
7 68.6% Serbian + 31.4% Belorussian @ 3.88
8 63.1% Serbian + 36.9% Polish @ 3.95
9 58.6% Romanian + 41.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.19
10 65.4% Southwest_Russian + 34.6% Tuscan @ 4.25
11 58.9% Serbian + 41.1% South_Polish @ 4.34
12 74.7% Serbian + 25.3% Lithuanian @ 4.38
13 69.4% Polish + 30.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
14 64.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.4% North_Italian @ 4.46
15 62% Kargopol_Russian + 38% Tuscan @ 4.48
16 63.9% Southwest_Russian + 36.1% North_Italian @ 4.49
17 66.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.8% Tuscan @ 4.49
18 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Estonian @ 4.54
19 70.9% Serbian + 29.1% East_Finnish @ 4.59
20 58.2% Moldavian + 41.8% Austrian @ 4.6

Dodecad K12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 47.22
2 Atlantic_Med 24.64
3 Caucasus 17.91
4 Gedrosia 4.61
5 Southwest_Asian 3.64
6 Siberian 0.93
7 East_Asian 0.83
8 Southeast_Asian 0.14
9 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.05
2 German (Dodecad) 11.15
3 Romanians (Behar) 14.2
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 16.01
5 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 16.29
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.38
7 Polish (Dodecad) 16.5
8 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.9
9 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.27
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.77
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 19.27
12 Norwegian (Dodecad) 20.77
13 Russian (Dodecad) 21.31
14 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 21.4
15 Belorussian (Behar) 21.45
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.47
17 Russian_B (Behar) 21.66
18 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.67
19 English (Dodecad) 21.7
20 French (Dodecad) 22.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.32
2 94.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.2% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.34
3 94.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.36
4 94.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.2% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.37
5 93.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 1.44
6 94.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.2% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.44
7 94.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.48
8 96% Hungarians (Behar) + 4% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.61
9 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% Georgians (Behar) @ 1.66
10 94.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.1% Turks (Behar) @ 1.71
11 95.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
12 95.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.76
13 95.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.2% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.77
14 95.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 1.77
15 95.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.78
16 95.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.5% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.79
17 95.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.5% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.81
18 94.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.81
19 95.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.1% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.81
20 95.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.82

[Dick]

Bosniak. Very Nordo-Slavic :cool:

Kit Z771934

K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.24
2 North_Atlantic 26.83
3 West_Med 12.93
4 East_Med 12.17
5 West_Asian 7.76
6 Red_Sea 1.31
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Oceanian 1.01
9 South_Asian 0.77
10 Siberian 0.6
11 Northeast_African 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.05
2 Moldavian 4.08
3 Hungarian 6.12
4 Serbian 8.42
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.45
6 South_Polish 8.97
7 Ukrainian 9.6
8 Austrian 10.97
9 East_German 11.02
10 Romanian 12.08
11 Polish 12.42
12 Southwest_Russian 12.68
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.09
14 Bulgarian 14.09
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.43
16 Estonian_Polish 14.9
17 Belorussian 15.38
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.1
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.79
20 West_German 18.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% Romanian + 43.9% Belorussian @ 1.51
2 57.9% Bulgarian + 42.1% Estonian @ 1.53
3 68% Southwest_Russian + 32% Tuscan @ 1.58
4 62.4% Romanian + 37.6% Lithuanian @ 1.61
5 60.4% Serbian + 39.6% Southwest_Russian @ 1.65
6 55.3% Romanian + 44.7% Estonian_Polish @ 1.68
7 53.2% Polish + 46.8% Bulgarian @ 1.77
8 59.2% Lithuanian + 40.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.79
9 67.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.6% Tuscan @ 1.81
10 78.3% South_Polish + 21.7% Ashkenazi @ 1.81
11 70.8% Serbian + 29.2% Lithuanian @ 1.81
12 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% Estonian_Polish @ 1.83
13 64.9% Polish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.87
14 54.5% Romanian + 45.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.87
15 72.2% South_Polish + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.87
16 66.2% Estonian_Polish + 33.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.89
17 73.5% Polish + 26.5% South_Italian @ 1.89
18 70.8% Polish + 29.2% Central_Greek @ 1.91
19 81.6% South_Polish + 18.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.91
20 61.4% South_Polish + 38.6% Bulgarian @ 1.92

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 18.8
2 Baltic 18.43
3 North_Sea 18
4 Atlantic 17.78
5 West_Med 8.57
6 East_Med 8.34
7 West_Asian 7.34
8 Red_Sea 1.15
9 Oceanian 0.72
10 Amerindian 0.58
11 Northeast_African 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.51
2 Moldavian 6.08
3 Austrian 7.2
4 Serbian 7.6
5 Hungarian 7.76
6 South_Polish 9.94
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
8 Romanian 10.78
9 East_German 10.8
10 Ukrainian 10.83
11 Polish 11.8
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.42
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.46
14 Southwest_Russian 12.79
15 Bulgarian 13.13
16 Estonian_Polish 14.53
17 Kargopol_Russian 14.64
18 Belorussian 14.78
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.8
20 East_Finnish 15.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Serbian + 32.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.06
2 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.24
3 71.1% Serbian + 28.9% Erzya @ 3.36
4 63.8% Serbian + 36.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.37
5 67.7% Serbian + 32.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.53
6 64.1% Serbian + 35.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.65
7 68.6% Serbian + 31.4% Belorussian @ 3.88
8 63.1% Serbian + 36.9% Polish @ 3.95
9 58.6% Romanian + 41.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.19
10 65.4% Southwest_Russian + 34.6% Tuscan @ 4.25
11 58.9% Serbian + 41.1% South_Polish @ 4.34
12 74.7% Serbian + 25.3% Lithuanian @ 4.38
13 69.4% Polish + 30.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
14 64.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.4% North_Italian @ 4.46
15 62% Kargopol_Russian + 38% Tuscan @ 4.48
16 63.9% Southwest_Russian + 36.1% North_Italian @ 4.49
17 66.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.8% Tuscan @ 4.49
18 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Estonian @ 4.54
19 70.9% Serbian + 29.1% East_Finnish @ 4.59
20 58.2% Moldavian + 41.8% Austrian @ 4.6

Dodecad K12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 47.22
2 Atlantic_Med 24.64
3 Caucasus 17.91
4 Gedrosia 4.61
5 Southwest_Asian 3.64
6 Siberian 0.93
7 East_Asian 0.83
8 Southeast_Asian 0.14
9 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.05
2 German (Dodecad) 11.15
3 Romanians (Behar) 14.2
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 16.01
5 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 16.29
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.38
7 Polish (Dodecad) 16.5
8 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.9
9 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.27
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.77
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 19.27
12 Norwegian (Dodecad) 20.77
13 Russian (Dodecad) 21.31
14 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 21.4
15 Belorussian (Behar) 21.45
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.47
17 Russian_B (Behar) 21.66
18 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.67
19 English (Dodecad) 21.7
20 French (Dodecad) 22.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.32
2 94.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.2% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.34
3 94.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.36
4 94.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.2% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.37
5 93.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 1.44
6 94.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.2% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.44
7 94.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.48
8 96% Hungarians (Behar) + 4% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.61
9 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% Georgians (Behar) @ 1.66
10 94.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.1% Turks (Behar) @ 1.71
11 95.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
12 95.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.76
13 95.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.2% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.77
14 95.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 1.77
15 95.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.78
16 95.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.5% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.79
17 95.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.5% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.81
18 94.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.81
19 95.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.1% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.81
20 95.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.82
Unique name. If that’s him on google then he dosnt look Slavic

[Leto]

Unique name. If that’s him on google then he dosnt look Slavic
Show me please. His name is Aslan, yes? It's common among Ossetians, Abkhazians and other Caucasians.

[Jana]

That guy is just a muslim Croat.

[vbnetkhio]

Show me please. His name is Aslan, yes? It's common among Ossetians, Abkhazians and other Caucasians.

Arslan, it means lion in Turkish

[Leto]

Arslan, it means lion in Turkish
Did you google him? Do you think it's really him? He looks normally Yugo to me.

[vbnetkhio]

another Bosniak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.6
2 Baltic 29.93
3 West_Med 17.22
4 East_Med 10.13
5 West_Asian 5.52
6 South_Asian 3.68
7 Red_Sea 1.36
8 Sub-Saharan 0.79
9 Siberian 0.76

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.76
2 Austrian 7.16
3 Croatian 7.54
4 East_German 7.71
5 Serbian 7.77
6 Moldavian 7.98
7 Romanian 11.49
8 South_Polish 12.84
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.99
10 West_German 13.36
11 Ukrainian 14.06
12 Bulgarian 14.18
13 South_Dutch 14.4
14 French 15.57
15 Polish 16.28
16 North_German 16.83
17 North_Swedish 18.27
18 Southwest_Russian 18.39
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.86
20 Swedish 18.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.6% Croatian + 26.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.87
2 76% Croatian + 24% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.97
3 74.4% Croatian + 25.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.97
4 55% Polish + 45% North_Italian @ 3.04
5 55.4% North_Italian + 44.6% Lithuanian @ 3.05
6 78.7% Croatian + 21.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.05
7 56.5% Southwest_Russian + 43.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.07
8 55.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.11
9 76.3% Croatian + 23.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.11
10 77.1% Croatian + 22.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.12
11 54.3% Southwest_Russian + 45.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.12
12 76.4% Croatian + 23.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.13
13 61.1% South_Polish + 38.9% North_Italian @ 3.14
14 75.5% Croatian + 24.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.14
15 74.3% Croatian + 25.7% Portuguese @ 3.15
16 51.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.16
17 53.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.16
18 54.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 45.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.18
19 50.8% Russian_Smolensk + 49.2% North_Italian @ 3.2
20 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.21

[CommonSense]

.....

[CommonSense]

another Bosniak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.6
2 Baltic 29.93
3 West_Med 17.22
4 East_Med 10.13
5 West_Asian 5.52
6 South_Asian 3.68
7 Red_Sea 1.36
8 Sub-Saharan 0.79
9 Siberian 0.76

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.76
2 Austrian 7.16
3 Croatian 7.54
4 East_German 7.71
5 Serbian 7.77
6 Moldavian 7.98
7 Romanian 11.49
8 South_Polish 12.84
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.99
10 West_German 13.36
11 Ukrainian 14.06
12 Bulgarian 14.18
13 South_Dutch 14.4
14 French 15.57
15 Polish 16.28
16 North_German 16.83
17 North_Swedish 18.27
18 Southwest_Russian 18.39
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.86
20 Swedish 18.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.6% Croatian + 26.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.87
2 76% Croatian + 24% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.97
3 74.4% Croatian + 25.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.97
4 55% Polish + 45% North_Italian @ 3.04
5 55.4% North_Italian + 44.6% Lithuanian @ 3.05
6 78.7% Croatian + 21.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.05
7 56.5% Southwest_Russian + 43.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.07
8 55.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.11
9 76.3% Croatian + 23.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.11
10 77.1% Croatian + 22.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.12
11 54.3% Southwest_Russian + 45.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.12
12 76.4% Croatian + 23.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.13
13 61.1% South_Polish + 38.9% North_Italian @ 3.14
14 75.5% Croatian + 24.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.14
15 74.3% Croatian + 25.7% Portuguese @ 3.15
16 51.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.16
17 53.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.16
18 54.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 45.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.18
19 50.8% Russian_Smolensk + 49.2% North_Italian @ 3.2
20 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.21

Never seen a Bosniak with North Atlantic this high. Very unsual.

EDIT: He also has Gypsy ancestry :lol: Look at the South Asian score!

[vbnetkhio]

Never seen a Bosniak with North Atlantic this high. Very unsual.

EDIT: He also has Gypsy ancestry :lol: Look at the South Asian score!

his surname is Kotromanić
which is pretty interesting

[Dick]

his surname is Kotromanić
which is pretty interesting

You can put whatever name you want in gedmatch

[vbnetkhio]

Bosniak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.33
2 North_Atlantic 26.38
3 East_Med 16.48
4 West_Med 11.76
5 West_Asian 11.67
6 East_Asian 1.49
7 Red_Sea 1.15
8 South_Asian 0.75

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.39
2 Moldavian 7.33
3 Romanian 7.65
4 Hungarian 8.67
5 Croatian 9.08
6 Bulgarian 9.51
7 Austrian 12.71
8 East_German 14.1
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.73
10 South_Polish 14.85
11 Ukrainian 15.85
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.03
13 West_German 18.29
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.29
15 Southwest_Russian 18.31
16 Polish 18.56
17 South_Dutch 20.02
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.34
19 Estonian_Polish 21
20 French 21.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.21
2 75% South_Polish + 25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.39
3 56.4% Southwest_Russian + 43.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.65
4 72.9% South_Polish + 27.1% Cyprian @ 3.69
5 73.5% South_Polish + 26.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.76
6 52.6% Belorussian + 47.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.77
7 52.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 47.5% Lithuanian @ 3.85
8 73% Romanian + 27% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.85
9 53.7% Russian_Smolensk + 46.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.92
10 75.9% South_Polish + 24.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.99
11 62.9% South_Polish + 37.1% Central_Greek @ 4.03
12 84.9% Hungarian + 15.1% Assyrian @ 4.03
13 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.04
14 75.8% South_Polish + 24.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.06
15 84.2% Croatian + 15.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.07
16 70.1% South_Polish + 29.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.1
17 75.1% South_Polish + 24.9% Assyrian @ 4.11
18 73.4% Romanian + 26.6% Southwest_Russian @ 4.11
19 76.4% Romanian + 23.6% Belorussian @ 4.12
20 61.9% South_Polish + 38.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.14

[vbnetkhio]

Bosniak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.06
2 North_Atlantic 26.37
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 11.48
5 West_Asian 5.24
6 South_Asian 1.23
7 Amerindian 0.99
8 Siberian 0.73
9 Red_Sea 0.36
10 East_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.83
2 Moldavian 5.77
3 Hungarian 8.17
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.34
5 Ukrainian 8.81
6 South_Polish 8.97
7 Serbian 10.33
8 East_German 11.51
9 Polish 11.98
10 Austrian 12.05
11 Southwest_Russian 12.69
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.41
13 Romanian 13.75
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.11
15 Estonian_Polish 14.25
16 Belorussian 15.04
17 Bulgarian 15.54
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.75
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.88
20 Erzya 18.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.7% Southwest_Russian + 21.3% Sardinian @ 2.62
2 77% Ukrainian + 23% Tuscan @ 3.12
3 77.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 22.1% Sardinian @ 3.12
4 79.3% Ukrainian + 20.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
5 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.27
6 83.1% Ukrainian + 16.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.4
7 85% Ukrainian + 15% Sardinian @ 3.45
8 83.2% Ukrainian + 16.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.46
9 66.6% Estonian_Polish + 33.4% Tuscan @ 3.51
10 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% South_Italian @ 3.53
11 96.9% Croatian + 3.1% Sardinian @ 3.53
12 75.7% Ukrainian + 24.3% North_Italian @ 3.56
13 67.3% Southwest_Russian + 32.7% North_Italian @ 3.57
14 59.2% Lithuanian + 40.8% Tuscan @ 3.63
15 65.3% Ukrainian + 34.7% Bulgarian @ 3.63
16 80% Ukrainian + 20% East_Sicilian @ 3.67
17 80.5% Ukrainian + 19.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.7
18 62.4% Ukrainian + 37.6% Romanian @ 3.72
19 79.5% Ukrainian + 20.5% Central_Greek @ 3.74
20 98% Croatian + 2% Ashkenazi @ 3.77

[vbnetkhio]

Bosniak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.53
2 North_Atlantic 24.92
3 East_Med 14.46
4 West_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.09
6 Sub-Saharan 0.66
7 Red_Sea 0.62
8 Siberian 0.6
9 South_Asian 0.58
10 Amerindian 0.49
11 Oceanian 0.35
12 East_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.97
2 Croatian 5.75
3 Serbian 6.6
4 Hungarian 8.05
5 Romanian 9.35
6 Bulgarian 11.01
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.48
8 South_Polish 12.09
9 Ukrainian 12.54
10 Austrian 12.69
11 East_German 13.35
12 Southwest_Russian 15.19
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.37
14 Polish 15.62
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.33
16 Estonian_Polish 17.86
17 Belorussian 18.38
18 West_German 19.53
19 Kargopol_Russian 19.62
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.4% Romanian + 37.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.59
2 62.1% Romanian + 37.9% Southwest_Russian @ 1.66
3 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Belorussian @ 1.73
4 67.7% Bulgarian + 32.3% Lithuanian @ 1.73
5 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% Southwest_Russian @ 1.73
6 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.76
7 77.5% South_Polish + 22.5% Cyprian @ 1.78
8 61.3% Bulgarian + 38.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.8
9 62.1% Bulgarian + 37.9% Estonian_Polish @ 1.97
10 64.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.05
11 52.4% Bulgarian + 47.6% South_Polish @ 2.08
12 63.4% Southwest_Russian + 36.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.08
13 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Lithuanian @ 2.1
14 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% Estonian @ 2.13
15 58.9% Bulgarian + 41.1% Polish @ 2.15
16 53.4% Bulgarian + 46.6% Ukrainian @ 2.2
17 65.4% Romanian + 34.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.27
18 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Belorussian @ 2.29
19 63.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.3
20 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.3

[Leto]

Bosniak

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.06
2 North_Atlantic 26.37
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 11.48
5 West_Asian 5.24
6 South_Asian 1.23
7 Amerindian 0.99
8 Siberian 0.73
9 Red_Sea 0.36
10 East_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.83
2 Moldavian 5.77
3 Hungarian 8.17
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.34
5 Ukrainian 8.81
6 South_Polish 8.97
7 Serbian 10.33
8 East_German 11.51
9 Polish 11.98
10 Austrian 12.05
11 Southwest_Russian 12.69
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.41
13 Romanian 13.75
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.11
15 Estonian_Polish 14.25
16 Belorussian 15.04
17 Bulgarian 15.54
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.75
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.88
20 Erzya 18.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.7% Southwest_Russian + 21.3% Sardinian @ 2.62
2 77% Ukrainian + 23% Tuscan @ 3.12
3 77.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 22.1% Sardinian @ 3.12
4 79.3% Ukrainian + 20.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
5 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.27
6 83.1% Ukrainian + 16.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.4
7 85% Ukrainian + 15% Sardinian @ 3.45
8 83.2% Ukrainian + 16.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.46
9 66.6% Estonian_Polish + 33.4% Tuscan @ 3.51
10 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% South_Italian @ 3.53
11 96.9% Croatian + 3.1% Sardinian @ 3.53
12 75.7% Ukrainian + 24.3% North_Italian @ 3.56
13 67.3% Southwest_Russian + 32.7% North_Italian @ 3.57
14 59.2% Lithuanian + 40.8% Tuscan @ 3.63
15 65.3% Ukrainian + 34.7% Bulgarian @ 3.63
16 80% Ukrainian + 20% East_Sicilian @ 3.67
17 80.5% Ukrainian + 19.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.7
18 62.4% Ukrainian + 37.6% Romanian @ 3.72
19 79.5% Ukrainian + 20.5% Central_Greek @ 3.74
20 98% Croatian + 2% Ashkenazi @ 3.77
Huge Baltic percentage for a South Slav, some Carpathian/Bukovina Ukrainians and South Poles are as much Baltic as him. I think he could be Slovak easily.

Post his Dodecad K12b.

[vbnetkhio]

Huge Baltic percentage for a South Slav, some Carpathian/Bukovina Ukrainians and South Poles are as much Baltic as him. I think he could be Slovak easily.

Post his Dodecad K12b.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 46.32
2 Atlantic_Med 27.34
3 Caucasus 17.46
4 Gedrosia 3.92
5 Southwest_Asian 3.88
6 East_Asian 0.46
7 South_Asian 0.37
8 Siberian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.44
2 German (Dodecad) 9.54
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.99
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.96
5 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 16.04
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.14
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 16.92
8 Polish (Dodecad) 17.67
9 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.13
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 18.64
11 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 19.56
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 19.69
13 Norwegian (Dodecad) 19.76
14 English (Dodecad) 19.78
15 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 19.99
16 French (Dodecad) 20
17 French (HGDP) 20.37
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 20.56
19 Argyll (1000Genomes) 21.86
20 Orkney (1000Genomes) 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94% Hungarians (Behar) + 6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 0.66
2 94% Hungarians (Behar) + 6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 0.67
3 92.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.1% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.71
4 94.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 0.71
5 93% Hungarians (Behar) + 7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.75
6 94.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 0.75
7 94.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 0.76
8 91.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.79
9 95.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 0.85
10 95.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.86
11 92.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.87
12 92.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.94
13 86.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.03
14 96.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.06
15 96.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.5% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.08
16 87.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 12.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.09
17 88.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.11
18 55.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 44.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.15
19 96% Hungarians (Behar) + 4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.17
20 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.18

[Peterski]

Nine Gagauzes from Chadyr-Lungsky and Vulkaneshtsky districts in Eurogenes K15:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Gagauz1 15.17 12.87 15.31 7.53 16.44 11.84 14.74 1.29 3.77 0 0 0.37 0.68 0 0
Gagauz2 14.22 14.26 13.68 7.43 15.22 11.32 18.01 4.23 1.53 0.04 0 0.05 0 0 0
Gagauz3 9.63 18.45 16.47 7.80 12.66 15.26 19.39 0 0 0 0 0.33 0 0 0
Gagauz4 12.54 9.59 18.5 9.62 15.07 15.55 13.22 2.32 1.07 0.49 0 0 0.53 1.4 0.09
Gagauz5 10.81 9.61 15.56 13.46 16.53 14.09 17.42 0.5 0.01 0.74 0.8 0 0.48 0 0
Gagauz6 10.97 16.22 17.15 6.18 12.3 12.22 20.09 0.89 0.24 2.24 0 0 0 1.5 0
Gagauz7 10.43 16.41 14.66 9.3 12.11 14.95 17.11 2.59 0.08 0 1.47 0 0.2 0.7 0
Gagauz8 17.46 8.6 10.78 13.29 13.19 13.04 17.99 3.52 0 0 2.05 0 0 0 0.09
Gagauz9 12.79 16.9 14.48 6.16 10.69 14.84 20.29 2.67 0 0 1.19 0 0 0 0

[Leto]

Nine Gagauzes from Chadyr-Lungsky and Vulkaneshtsky districts in Eurogenes K15:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Gagauz1 15.17 12.87 15.31 7.53 16.44 11.84 14.74 1.29 3.77 0 0 0.37 0.68 0 0
Gagauz2 14.22 14.26 13.68 7.43 15.22 11.32 18.01 4.23 1.53 0.04 0 0.05 0 0 0
Gagauz3 9.63 18.45 16.47 7.80 12.66 15.26 19.39 0 0 0 0 0.33 0 0 0
Gagauz4 12.54 9.59 18.5 9.62 15.07 15.55 13.22 2.32 1.07 0.49 0 0 0.53 1.4 0.09
Gagauz5 10.81 9.61 15.56 13.46 16.53 14.09 17.42 0.5 0.01 0.74 0.8 0 0.48 0 0
Gagauz6 10.97 16.22 17.15 6.18 12.3 12.22 20.09 0.89 0.24 2.24 0 0 0 1.5 0
Gagauz7 10.43 16.41 14.66 9.3 12.11 14.95 17.11 2.59 0.08 0 1.47 0 0.2 0.7 0
Gagauz8 17.46 8.6 10.78 13.29 13.19 13.04 17.99 3.52 0 0 2.05 0 0 0 0.09
Gagauz9 12.79 16.9 14.48 6.16 10.69 14.84 20.29 2.67 0 0 1.19 0 0 0 0
Calculate their K13 average please.

[vbnetkhio]

added all Ukrainians posted by Lemgrant (light crimson squares)

https://i.imgur.com/sejUatm.png

M325475 Ukrainian 497 -155
T079447 Ukrainian 470 -139
T851971 Ukrainian 405 -127
T526267 Ukrainian 508 -132
T078468 Ukrainian 479 -154
CS5328607 Ukrainian 555 -270
XZ2005429 Ukrainian 414 -146
XE4012657 Ukrainian 470 -136
T370620 Ukrainian 494 -142
T026609 Ukrainian 491 -164
T780821 Ukrainian 456 -146
H875752 Ukrainian 486 -151
H967211 Ukrainian 504 -150
ML4101276 Ukrainian 495 -159
FK9327648 Ukrainian 479 -149
A190694 Ukrainian 440 -117
T137799 Ukrainian 469 -142
T585715 Ukrainian 497 -152
T336518 Ukrainian 456 -164
T842157 Ukrainian 480 -129
XN6404388 Ukrainian 420 -176
T582505 Russian 688 -92

[vbnetkhio]

croat16 Z463425 female Lug_Zepce
croat11 Z728548 Q1d Mostar
croat13 Z587597 I2a Duge_Grude
croat12 Z059340 I2a Ponijevo_Zepce

haplogroups and locations of some Bosnian Croats which were posted here before

[Dick]

23andme update looks good.


https://i.imgur.com/i0hI6Tq.png

[Leto]

23andme update looks good.

What is your East Euro percentage?

[MercifulServant]

pca, updated.
90640

Hey man could you add me?
Population
North_Sea 12.62 Pct
Atlantic 18.36 Pct
Baltic 17.12 Pct
Eastern_Euro 15.83 Pct
West_Med 14.35 Pct
West_Asian 11.45 Pct
East_Med 6.91 Pct
Red_Sea 3.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.03 Pct
South_Asian

[vbnetkhio]

Hey man could you add me?
Population
North_Sea 12.62 Pct
Atlantic 18.36 Pct
Baltic 17.12 Pct
Eastern_Euro 15.83 Pct
West_Med 14.35 Pct
West_Asian 11.45 Pct
East_Med 6.91 Pct
Red_Sea 3.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.03 Pct
South_Asian

https://i.imgur.com/NyiEF4A.png?1

red -Serb and Montenegrin
blue - averages

light green-Bosniaks and Croats
purple - Austrians Slovenians Hungarians
Orange- Romanians Bulgarians Macedonians
light red - Slovaks Czechs Ukrainians
light blue - Greeks

[MercifulServant]

https://i.imgur.com/NyiEF4A.png?1

red -Serb and Montenegrin
blue - averages

light green-Bosniaks and Croats
purple - Austrians Slovenians Hungarians
Orange- Romanians Bulgarians Macedonians
light red - Slovaks Czechs Ukrainians
light blue - Greeks

Interesting. So I’m basically on the serb average according to this

[MercifulServant]

Yeah but such a two-dimensional PCA can produce a simplified, false picture sometimes.

For example this Bronze Age Polish sample plots like modern Poles in K15 PCA, but actually has very low % of "Baltic" component (unlike Poles).

The reason why it plots where it does is high Eastern Euro & West Asian instead of Baltic:
^^^ And that sample had R1a-Z93 (Indo-Iranian subclade).

That’s true but components like eastern euro are not really good. I think that plotting is more accurate for k15. Also I still get Serbian as the number one population on the normal oracle even tho it’s distant. I get half Ukrainian Belgorad (52%) and half Greek Thessaly (48%) on the mixed mode which should also be close to the Serbian average.

[Dick]

Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15

[Leto]

Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15

Monday, October 7, 2013
Eurogenes K15 now at GEDmatch

This new test is essentially an upgraded version of the EUtest. Unlike the original, it includes an Amerindian component and five native reference populations from North and Central America. So obviously it should be a lot more useful for users from the New World who are wondering about Amerindian admixture.

GEDmatch > Ad-Mix Utilities > Eurogenes > Eurogenes EUtestV2 K15

I just tried it myself, and have say that the 4-Ancestors Oracle results were impressive. In other words, they were very accurate based on what I know about my recent ancestry. On the other hand, I'd say the default Oracle was picking up more ancient gene flows. However, this might not be the case for everyone, so let's hear some feedback, discuss the outcomes, and perhaps tweak the settings if necessary.

One of the most important things to keep in mind is to ignore all results under 1%. These are likely to be noise.

The population averages and Fst distances between the ancestral clusters are here and here, respectively. Below are spatial maps of the main West Eurasian components courtesy of Gui (FR7): Baltic, North Sea, Atlantic, East Euro, West Med, East Med, West Asian.
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/10/eurogenes-k15-now-at-gedmatch.html?m=1

Damn, it's literally 6 years old.

[MercifulServant]

...

My eurogenes k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.06
2 North_Atlantic 23.13
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 12.54
5 East_Med 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.4
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.99
2 Serbian 7.42
3 Romanian 8.66
4 Croatian 8.89
5 Bulgarian 10.15
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Austrian 13.91
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.44
9 East_German 14.86
10 South_Polish 15.97
11 Ukrainian 16.04
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.16
13 Polish 19.05
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.4
15 Southwest_Russian 19.47
16 West_German 19.88
17 North_Italian 20.89
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.98
19 South_Dutch 21.11
20 French 21.29

[vbnetkhio]

Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15

yes but k15 has this awesome PCA which i use for making this stuff, like Decius said

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

i'm trying to recreate an offline version of this PCA.. and then also for other calculators, k36, lukasz k47

[Leto]

yes but k15 has this awesome PCA which i use for making this stuff, like Decius said

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

i'm trying to recreate an offline version of this PCA.. and then also for other calculators, k36, lukasz k47
Can you try plotting this one?

Population
North_Sea 8.53 Pct
Atlantic 1.80 Pct
Baltic 9.20 Pct
Eastern_Euro 6.32 Pct
West_Med 2.79 Pct
West_Asian 49.28 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 2.09 Pct
South_Asian 2.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Siberian 2.88 Pct
Amerindian 0.40 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

Can you try plotting this one?

Population
North_Sea 8.53 Pct
Atlantic 1.80 Pct
Baltic 9.20 Pct
Eastern_Euro 6.32 Pct
West_Med 2.79 Pct
West_Asian 49.28 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 2.09 Pct
South_Asian 2.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Siberian 2.88 Pct
Amerindian 0.40 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

https://i.imgur.com/6gtsst2.png

black square, he plots with Istanbul Turks

[Leto]

black square, he plots with Istanbul Turks
Thanks. And you know who that is? :) Allegedly the former Ingush president Ruslan Aushev (Republic of Ingushetia, North Caucasus). Or at least some other Ingush is using the same name and last name.

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/NyiEF4A.png?1

red -Serb and Montenegrin
blue - averages

light green-Bosniaks and Croats
purple - Austrians Slovenians Hungarians
Orange- Romanians Bulgarians Macedonians
light red - Slovaks Czechs Ukrainians
light blue - Greeks

update
https://i.imgur.com/Ed3fbDR.png

[vbnetkhio]

Croats

https://i.imgur.com/j9ArrVc.png

[CommonSense]

Found this woman among my latest matches. She and her parents are from Barajevo, a suburban settlement near Belgrade. All the surnames are Serbian.

Population
North_Sea 18.55 Pct
Atlantic 17.20 Pct
Baltic 16.00 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.46 Pct
West_Med 11.28 Pct
West_Asian 10.46 Pct
East_Med 14.50 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.54 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.05
2 Serbian 4.58
3 Bulgarian 6.41
4 Moldavian 9.51
5 Hungarian 9.95
6 Austrian 9.99
7 Croatian 10.7
8 Greek_Thessaly 12.92
9 East_German 13.91
10 Greek 13.92
11 North_Italian 15.31
12 Tuscan 15.55
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.57
14 French 16.63
15 South_Polish 16.83
16 South_Dutch 16.96
17 West_German 17.02
18 Italian_Abruzzo 17.23
19 Ukrainian 17.47
20 Spanish_Galicia 18.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Bulgarian + 20% Swedish @ 2.78
2 81.7% Bulgarian + 18.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.79
3 80.4% Bulgarian + 19.6% Norwegian @ 2.8
4 79.7% Bulgarian + 20.3% North_Swedish @ 2.87
5 79.8% Bulgarian + 20.2% Danish @ 3.05
6 90.7% Romanian + 9.3% West_Norwegian @ 3.09
7 90% Romanian + 10% Norwegian @ 3.1
8 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% Swedish @ 3.11
9 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Danish @ 3.11
10 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% North_Dutch @ 3.14
11 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% North_Dutch @ 3.17
12 88.5% Romanian + 11.5% North_German @ 3.17
13 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 3.17
14 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% West_Scottish @ 3.19
15 90.4% Romanian + 9.6% Irish @ 3.19
16 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% Southeast_English @ 3.2
17 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% North_German @ 3.2
18 91.1% Romanian + 8.9% Orcadian @ 3.21
19 87.2% Romanian + 12.8% West_German @ 3.22
20 59% Hungarian + 41% Greek @ 3.24

[vbnetkhio]

Found this woman among my latest matches. She and her parents are from Barajevo, a suburban settlement near Belgrade. All the surnames are Serbian.


she plots right next to the Serbian average, but it's the germanic pulling her there, otherwise she would be like a south Montnegrin.

[vbnetkhio]

All the surnames are Serbian.


what are more distant origins of the surnames? do you think she has Saxon admixture?

[CommonSense]

she plots right next to the Serbian average, but it's the germanic pulling her there, otherwise she would be like a south Montnegrin.

Is Germanic admix really necessary to explain her results?
Don't see what is so unusual, since many Montenegrins we've seen also have those elevated NW components, but even among Serbs from other regions such results can be found. What Moje Ime gets on K15 is extreme even compared to this lady:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6202191&viewfull=1#post6202191


By the way, the only regions she scores on MyHeritage are the ones from the eastern part of the continenet (ignoring the obvious noise, Melanesia):

https://i.imgur.com/1ZCDsXz.png

[vbnetkhio]

Is Germanic admix really necessary to explain her results?
Don't see what is so unusual, since many Montenegrins we've seen also have those elevated NW components, but even among Serbs from other regions such results can be found. What Moje Ime gets on K15 is extreme even compared to this lady:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6202191&viewfull=1#post6202191


By the way, the only regions she scores on MyHeritage are the ones from the eastern part of the continenet (ignoring the obvious noise, Melanesia):

https://i.imgur.com/1ZCDsXz.png

so it's definitely not recent germanic influence, if myheritage is reliable
that Montenegrin from Plav and Cetinje for example has increased North atlantic and West med like the Illyrians from Dalmatia had. so that's pulling him northwest.
this woman has increased north sea, that didn't come to the Balkans until Goths arrived i guess

[Pribislav]

update
https://i.imgur.com/Ed3fbDR.png

Do you know from where exactly is Dalmatian Serb who is little north of srb_W_srb and east of srb_bih_1/2herz_1/2bos, and can you post his K13? 8

[vbnetkhio]

Do you know from where exactly is Dalmatian Serb who is little north of srb_W_srb and east of srb_bih_1/2herz_1/2bos, and can you post his K13? 8

i just have his k15

North_Sea - 20.55
Atlantic - 16.22
Baltic - 17.39
Eastern_Euro - 14.31
West_Med - 13.08
West_Asian - 4.08
East_Med - 12.61
Red_Sea - 1.33
South_Asian - 0
Southeast_Asian - 0
Siberian - 0.1
Amerindian - 0
Oceanian - 0.34
Northeast_African - 0
Sub_Saharan - 0

W_srb is western Serbia btw. not Serbs from BiH or Croatia.

[Pribislav]

i just have his k15

North_Sea - 20.55
Atlantic - 16.22
Baltic - 17.39
Eastern_Euro - 14.31
West_Med - 13.08
West_Asian - 4.08
East_Med - 12.61
Red_Sea - 1.33
South_Asian - 0
Southeast_Asian - 0
Siberian - 0.1
Amerindian - 0
Oceanian - 0.34
Northeast_African - 0
Sub_Saharan - 0

W_srb is western Serbia btw. not Serbs from BiH or Croatia.

Can you put Banija Serb on map whose result I posted on other thread by mistake.

[vbnetkhio]

Can you put Banija Serb on map whose result I posted on other thread by mistake.

https://i.imgur.com/lWWh8I4.png

here :) the other black square is a Zumberak Serb.

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/lWWh8I4.png

here :) the other black square is a Zumberak Serb.

He is close to HungryLion.

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/lWWh8I4.png

here :) the other black square is a Zumberak Serb.

Here is Dalmatian Serb. His surname is Atlagić. Atlagići are from Ostrovica near Benkovac.

K13
1 Baltic 32.56
2 North_Atlantic 28.23
3 West_Med 16.39
4 East_Med 11.98
5 West_Asian 10.14
6 Siberian 0.35
7 Red_Sea 0.2
8 Oceanian 0.15

K15
1 North_Sea 20.12
2 Atlantic 19.22
3 Baltic 17.19
4 Eastern_Euro 15.23
5 West_Med 11.06
6 East_Med 11.01
7 West_Asian 6.17

[vbnetkhio]

He is close to HungryLion.

yep. so he probably doesn't have a german grandmother, but there's a whole "tribe" of Serbs who plot like that, so to say

[vbnetkhio]

Here is Dalmatian Serb. His surname is Atlagić. Atlagići are from Ostrovica near Benkovac.

K13
1 Baltic 32.56
2 North_Atlantic 28.23
3 West_Med 16.39
4 East_Med 11.98
5 West_Asian 10.14
6 Siberian 0.35
7 Red_Sea 0.2
8 Oceanian 0.15

K15
1 North_Sea 20.12
2 Atlantic 19.22
3 Baltic 17.19
4 Eastern_Euro 15.23
5 West_Med 11.06
6 East_Med 11.01
7 West_Asian 6.17

also up there in the north
https://i.imgur.com/CMkha4h.png

[Pribislav]

also up there in the north
https://i.imgur.com/CMkha4h.png

He is most northern ploting Dalmatian Serb for now.

In the next they I will get few more Krajina Serb K13 and K15.

[vbnetkhio]

He is most northern ploting Dalmatian Serb for now.

In the next they I will get few more Krajina Serb K13 and K15.

k36 is also welcome

[Pribislav]

Post South Slavic, Romanian, Albanian, Greek, Hungarian, Austrian.. k15,k13,k36, results, oracles, k15 pca, k36 similarity map..

k15 pca, posted by ***** on eupedia forum
90633

Here is 2 new Krajina Serb K13 and K15.


Banija Serb from Dvor na Uni, his surname Eić.

K13
1 Baltic 31.86
2 North_Atlantic 29.63
3 West_Med 18.39
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 9.18
6 Oceanian 0.65
7 Red_Sea 0.56
8 Siberian 0.39

K15
1 North_Sea 19.46
2 Baltic 18.79
3 Atlantic 18.72
4 West_Med 13.56
5 Eastern_Euro 12.93
6 East_Med 9.04
7 West_Asian 6.97
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.08



Lika Serb, his surname is Vrkić.

K13
1 Baltic 31.66
2 North_Atlantic 28.63
3 West_Med 17.39
4 East_Med 12.18
5 West_Asian 9.34
6 Red_Sea 0.49
7 Siberian 0.31

K15
1 North_Sea 19.86
2 Baltic 18.19
3 Atlantic 17.22
4 Eastern_Euro 13.93
5 West_Med 12.56
6 East_Med 10.84
7 West_Asian 7.17
8 Siberian 0.21
9 Amerindian 0.02

[vbnetkhio]

Here is 2 New Krajina Serb K13 and K15.


Banija Serb from Dvor na Uni, his surname Eić.

K13
1 Baltic 31.86
2 North_Atlantic 29.63
3 West_Med 18.39
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 9.18
6 Oceanian 0.65
7 Red_Sea 0.56
8 Siberian 0.39

K15
1 North_Sea 19.46
2 Baltic 18.79
3 Atlantic 18.72
4 West_Med 13.56
5 Eastern_Euro 12.93
6 East_Med 9.04
7 West_Asian 6.97
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.08



Lika Serb, his surname is Vrkić.

K13
1 Baltic 31.66
2 North_Atlantic 28.63
3 West_Med 17.39
4 East_Med 12.18
5 West_Asian 9.34
6 Red_Sea 0.49
7 Siberian 0.31

K15
1 North_Sea 19.86
2 Baltic 18.19
3 Atlantic 17.22
4 Eastern_Euro 13.93
5 West_Med 12.56
6 East_Med 10.84
7 West_Asian 7.17
8 Siberian 0.21
9 Amerindian 0.02

do you plan to post more samples today? i'll add them all together in the evening, it's easier than one by one

[vbnetkhio]

added Albanians from Montenegro

https://i.imgur.com/dK8N7Fk.png

A681980 alb_mont
A830498 alb_mont
M258605 alb_mont
M192767 alb_mont
M946469 alb_mont
M620838 alb_mont
M404397 alb_mont
M647566 alb_mont
M441196 alb_mont
M940206 alb_mont

[Dušan]

Here is 2 new Krajina Serb K13 and K15.


Banija Serb from Dvor na Uni, his surname Eić.

K13
1 Baltic 31.86
2 North_Atlantic 29.63
3 West_Med 18.39
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 9.18
6 Oceanian 0.65
7 Red_Sea 0.56
8 Siberian 0.39

K15
1 North_Sea 19.46
2 Baltic 18.79
3 Atlantic 18.72
4 West_Med 13.56
5 Eastern_Euro 12.93
6 East_Med 9.04
7 West_Asian 6.97
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.08



Lika Serb, his surname is Vrkić.

K13
1 Baltic 31.66
2 North_Atlantic 28.63
3 West_Med 17.39
4 East_Med 12.18
5 West_Asian 9.34
6 Red_Sea 0.49
7 Siberian 0.31

K15
1 North_Sea 19.86
2 Baltic 18.19
3 Atlantic 17.22
4 Eastern_Euro 13.93
5 West_Med 12.56
6 East_Med 10.84
7 West_Asian 7.17
8 Siberian 0.21
9 Amerindian 0.02

https://i.imgur.com/WUGdYEH.png

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/WUGdYEH.png

did you save their xy coordinates?

[Dušan]

did you save their xy coordinates?

Eić: x=414, y=197

Vrkić: x=433, y=202

[vbnetkhio]

Eić: x=414, y=197

Vrkić: x=433, y=202

https://i.imgur.com/fHlTfGn.png

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/WUGdYEH.png

They are north western shifted, typical for Krajina Serbs.

[Jana]

Pure Serbz.

[Dušan]

They are north western shifted, typical for Krajina Serbs.

We need several tens more results to see what is average for us.

[Pribislav]

Pure Serbz.

Of course. Dalmatian, Lika and Banija Serbs which I posted and all are similar, and they are similar to you and HungryLion.

[Jana]

Of course. Dalmatian, Lika and Banija Serbs which I posted and all are similar, and they are similar to you and HungryLion.

They cluster closer to Croats than to Serbs because like all diaspora groups they absorbed native Croatian population.

[vbnetkhio]

They cluster closer to Croats than to Serbs because like all diaspora groups they absorbed native Croatian population.

the "HungryLion cluster" doesn't seem to be pulled towards any group of Croats, it seems to be germanic admixture.
a cluster of Serbs from west Serbia is also close to them

[Jana]

the "HungryLion cluster" doesn't seem to be pulled towards any group of Croats, it seems to be germanic admixture.
a cluster of Serbs from west Serbia is also close to them

I mentioned how German soldiers and officials also settled military frontier. Keep in mind Kajkavian Croats are also NW shifted.
Banovina for example was originally Kajkavian-speaking region.

[CommonSense]

Some of these dudes plot closer to Ayetooey, who is half British, than to his Dalmatian Serb father, so there obviously not in anyway typical Krajina Serbs.

[vbnetkhio]

Keep in mind Kajkavian Croats are also NW shifted.
Banovina for example was originally Kajkavian-speaking region.

i have Kajkavian results too.
the HungryLion cluster could barely be a mix of the absolutely most western plotting Montenegrin outlier and the absolutely most western plotting Croat outlier, who is a Burgenland Croat, so very probably mixed with Austrians. what are the odds.

it could be those German soldiers.. or some other historical contact between Serbs and Germanics. there is a lot of various Germanic y-dna haplogroups in the Balkans.
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml#Germanic

this is a Serb from Serbia academic kit with Germanic admixture, but also very paleo Balkanic. doesn't plot too far from HungryLion.

Kit WP4899669

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.83
2 Baltic 25.22
3 West_Med 15.54
4 East_Med 12.78
5 West_Asian 10.19
6 Red_Sea 1.61
7 Siberian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 East_Asian 0.09
10 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.05
2 Hungarian 7.11
3 Austrian 7.45
4 Romanian 8.82
5 East_German 9.93
6 West_German 10.5
7 Moldavian 10.71
8 Croatian 11.44
9 Bulgarian 11.84
10 South_Dutch 12.11
11 French 12.61
12 North_German 15.62
13 North_Italian 16.41
14 South_Polish 16.9
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.32
16 Portuguese 17.46
17 Southeast_English 17.66
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.75
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.76
20 Danish 18.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Romanian + 32.4% North_Dutch @ 1.08
2 69.4% Romanian + 30.6% Norwegian @ 1.15
3 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Irish @ 1.19
4 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Norwegian @ 1.27
5 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Orcadian @ 1.29
6 60.8% Bulgarian + 39.2% North_Dutch @ 1.32
7 64.1% Romanian + 35.9% North_German @ 1.37
8 70.3% Romanian + 29.7% West_Scottish @ 1.38
9 67.4% Romanian + 32.6% Danish @ 1.41
10 57% Bulgarian + 43% North_German @ 1.49
11 62.9% Bulgarian + 37.1% Irish @ 1.55
12 60.6% Bulgarian + 39.4% Danish @ 1.6
13 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Orcadian @ 1.6
14 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% West_Scottish @ 1.76
15 77.5% Austrian + 22.5% Central_Greek @ 1.82
16 75.6% Austrian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.9
17 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% West_German @ 1.91
18 85% Austrian + 15% Cyprian @ 1.92
19 67.1% Romanian + 32.9% Southeast_English @ 1.93
20 68.7% Romanian + 31.3% Swedish @ 1.95

[Dušan]

Some of these dudes plot closer to Ayetooey, who is half British, than to his Dalmatian Serb father, so there obviously not in anyway typical Krajina Serbs.

I think that Krajina Serb average is closer to my result than to these ones.

[CommonSense]

I think that Krajina Serb average is closer to my result than to these ones.

You're in the normal range if I compare you to my matches. Tbh, even some Dalmatian Croats I match with are closer to you than these guys are.

[Jana]

i have Kajkavian results too.
the HungryLion cluster could barely be a mix of the absolutely most western plotting Montenegrin outlier and the absolutely most western plotting Croat outlier, who is a Burgenland Croat, so very probably mixed with Austrians. what are the odds.

it could be those German soldiers.. or some other historical contact between Serbs and Germanics. there is a lot of various Germanic y-dna haplogroups in the Balkans.
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml#Germanic

this is a Serb from Serbia academic kit with Germanic admixture, but also very paleo Balkanic. doesn't plot too far from HungryLion.

Kit WP4899669

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.83
2 Baltic 25.22
3 West_Med 15.54
4 East_Med 12.78
5 West_Asian 10.19
6 Red_Sea 1.61
7 Siberian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 East_Asian 0.09
10 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.05
2 Hungarian 7.11
3 Austrian 7.45
4 Romanian 8.82
5 East_German 9.93
6 West_German 10.5
7 Moldavian 10.71
8 Croatian 11.44
9 Bulgarian 11.84
10 South_Dutch 12.11
11 French 12.61
12 North_German 15.62
13 North_Italian 16.41
14 South_Polish 16.9
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.32
16 Portuguese 17.46
17 Southeast_English 17.66
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.75
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.76
20 Danish 18.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Romanian + 32.4% North_Dutch @ 1.08
2 69.4% Romanian + 30.6% Norwegian @ 1.15
3 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Irish @ 1.19
4 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Norwegian @ 1.27
5 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Orcadian @ 1.29
6 60.8% Bulgarian + 39.2% North_Dutch @ 1.32
7 64.1% Romanian + 35.9% North_German @ 1.37
8 70.3% Romanian + 29.7% West_Scottish @ 1.38
9 67.4% Romanian + 32.6% Danish @ 1.41
10 57% Bulgarian + 43% North_German @ 1.49
11 62.9% Bulgarian + 37.1% Irish @ 1.55
12 60.6% Bulgarian + 39.4% Danish @ 1.6
13 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Orcadian @ 1.6
14 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% West_Scottish @ 1.76
15 77.5% Austrian + 22.5% Central_Greek @ 1.82
16 75.6% Austrian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.9
17 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% West_German @ 1.91
18 85% Austrian + 15% Cyprian @ 1.92
19 67.1% Romanian + 32.9% Southeast_English @ 1.93
20 68.7% Romanian + 31.3% Swedish @ 1.95

Burgerland Croats for sure have Austrian admixture. And probably Hungarian as well. I know some of them and individually few look typically German.
In my opinion Krajina Serbs are genetically diverse. Some appear typically Serb or even Montenegrin, some appear typically Bosnian or not different from Croats and some are West-Central Euro shifted.

I observe similar genetic variety in Dalmatia as well.
Some Dalmatian Croats are very Slavic shifted (in direction of Ukraine), some are quite western and appear central euro like and some are very Balkan shifted and can even approach Bulgarians.

[Dušan]

They cluster closer to Croats than to Serbs because like all diaspora groups they absorbed native Croatian population.

Krajina was deserted and uninhabited due to Ottoman-Austrian wars.

There are no native medieval population from this region in our genetics.

[Jana]

Krajina was deserted and uninhabited due to Ottoman-Austrian wars.

There are no native medieval population from this region in our genetics.

No, that is false. Population just declined. There are plenty of Krajina Serbs who are genetically more Croat than Serb like.
And it is visible in surnames.

Vrkić is typical Croatian surname and among Krajina Serbs it is from locals.

[bained]

Burgerland Croats for sure have Austrian admixture. And probably Hungarian as well. I know some of them and individually few look typically German.
In my opinion Krajina Serbs are genetically diverse. Some appear typically Serb or even Montenegrin, some appear typically Bosnian or not different from Croats and some are West-Central Euro shifted.

I observe similar genetic variety in Dalmatia as well.
Some Dalmatian Croats are very Slavic shifted (in direction of Ukraine), some are quite western and appear central euro like and some are very Balkan shifted and can even approach Bulgarians.

Spot on 92007

[Dušan]

No, that is false. Population just declined. There are plenty of Krajina Serbs who are genetically more Croat than Serb like.
And it is visible in surnames.

Vrkić is typical Croatian surname and among Krajina Serbs it is from locals.

It is well known and historically recorded that most of population fled due to Ottoman-Austrian wars. Some who stayed got islamicized.

Krajina Serbs are now mixing with Serbia's Serbs and we are going to be in next generation more closer to them and further from Croats or anyone else.

[Jana]

It is well known and historically recorded that most of population fled due to Ottoman-Austrian wars. Some who stayed got islamicized.

Krajina Serbs are now mixing with Serbia's Serbs and we are going to be in next generation more closer to them and further from Croats or anyone else.

Well that's obvious. Your results for example are not Croat-like. You seem like a typical Serb with more Slav admixture than is average.
Military frontier had mixed population, for example Croatian population steadily declined trough centuries and only later Serbs became majority.
In beginnings of it Croats were majority. Later came Serbs, Vlachs, some Germans, Hungarians.

Even after Serbs became majority population they never came close to being 100% in the region.

[vbnetkhio]

Vlachs,

there was no actual Vlachs in that area i believe, Vlachs was a derogatory term for Serbs.
like today in the Balkans "Cigan" is used as an insult. but it's also an ethnic group.

[vbnetkhio]

In my opinion Krajina Serbs are genetically diverse

the only two clear clusters among Serbs are the more southern Montenegrins and all other Serbs.

regions like Lika or Western Serbia mean nothing for autosomal. even Serbs from the same town, Dvor na Uni plot in 2 separate clusters.
btw did you see my plot of Croats (results provided by ph2ter) on page 58 of this thread?

[Jana]

there was no actual Vlachs in that area i believe, Vlachs was a derogatory term for Serbs.
like today in the Balkans "Cigan" is used as an insult. but it's also an ethnic group.

It wasn't an insult in that time but social status. I am convinced actual Vlachs migrated with Serbs though. In great Serb migrations to Vojvodina ethnic composition was also mixed except being predominately Serbian.
Even among Burgerland Croats there is a ''Vlach'' subgroup.

[Jana]

the only two clear clusters among Serbs are the more southern Montenegrins and all other Serbs.

regions like Lika or Western Serbia mean nothing for autosomal. even Serbs from the same town, Dvor na Uni plot in 2 separate clusters.
btw did you see my plot of Croats (results provided by ph2ter) on page 58 of this thread?

Yes, very nice work. How would you define my family in terms of clustering ?

[CommonSense]

It wasn't an insult in that time but social status. I am convinced actual Vlachs migrated with Serbs though. In great Serb migrations to Vojvodina ethnic composition was also mixed except being predominately Serbian.
Even among Burgerland Croats there is a ''Vlach'' subgroup.

Why do you think that? There is no linguistic or even upfront historical evidence for a migration of Romance speaking people in that direction, with the exception, of course, of Istro-Romanians.

[Jana]

Why do you think that? There is no linguistic or even upfront historical evidence for a migration of Romance speaking people in that direction, with the exception, of course, of Istro-Romanians.

I think Štokavian dialect was created as fussion between Slavic and Vlach groups. Maybe you didn't know but North/Kajkavian Croats call all Štokavians Vlachs, including Croats štokavians.
Also sherperding lifestyle had to be adopted upon interaction with Vlachs.

My opinion is remnants of Vlachs were always minority among migrating SW Slavs but never completely assimilated until later on.

[Dušan]

Well that's obvious. Your results for example are not Croat-like. You seem like a typical Serb with more Slav admixture than is average.
Military frontier had mixed population, for example Croatian population steadily declined trough centuries and only later Serbs became majority.
In beginnings of it Croats were majority. Later came Serbs, Vlachs, some Germans, Hungarians.

Even after Serbs became majority population they never came close to being 100% in the region.

As far as I know, there were no Hungarian and German setllers in Krajina (Banija, Kordun, Lika and Northern Dalmatia). They settled in Slavonia, along with Czechs, Slovaks and some other ethnic groups, but not in Krajina.

I didn't said that Serbs were 100% in Krajina alone, but 70-80%, and what is important there were few of villages were Serbs and Croats lived together. Most setllements were monoethnic. Serbs lived in their villages, Croats lived in their own villages.

This map of part of Lika show that. Red are Serbs, blue are Croats.

https://i.imgur.com/5JAeDqp.jpg

This situation, along with religious difference, is fact that there were very low rate of mixing and intermarriage.

[Pribislav]

Guys, please we don't need politization of this!

[Jana]

Burgerland Croats dialacts by origin before they fled Croatia

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Burgeland_origin_theory.png/1280px-Burgeland_origin_theory.png

Notice the Vlai one ? Those are Štokavian migrants, minority among mostly Chakavian refugess. Even Kajkavian group moved with them.

Dialects

Štoj dialect: dialect of the Croatian folklore group Štoji (Güttenbach, Stinatz, Neuberg), is a Shtokavian–(south)Chakavian mixed dialect
Vlah dialect: dialect of the Vlahi, is a Shtokavian dialect in Weiden bei Rechnitz, Zuberbach, Althodis, Schandorf, Dürnbach, Allersdorf, etc., is Shtokavian (schacavian) ikavian dialect similar to Slavonian
Dolinci dialect: dialect of the Dolinci in Unterpullendorf, Frankenau, Kleinmutschen, etc. is a (middle)Chakavian dialect
Poljan dialect: dialect of the Poljanci near Lake Neusiedl, is a (middle)Chakavian dialect
Hac dialect: Chakavian dialect of Haci near Neusiedl
some Croats speak a Kajkavian dialect near Neusiedl
Grob dialect: a Kajkavian dialect, spoken in Chorvátsky Grob in Slovakia

There is strong corelation with Štokavian and name Vlach. I don't think it is a coincidence.

[vbnetkhio]

I am convinced actual Vlachs migrated with Serbs though.

maybe the Serbian Vlach class who had already lost their Vlach language and genetics.

genetically the most Vlach Serbs are Montenegrins.
even Shops from southeast Serbia who were by social status a shepherd/Vlach group can reach to the center of Croatian cluster by Slavicness.

[Jana]

As far as I know, there were no Hungarian and German setllers in Krajina (Banija, Kordun, Lika and Northern Dalmatia). They settled in Slavonia, along with Czechs, Slovaks and some other ethnic groups, but not in Krajina.

I didn't said that Serbs were 100% in Krajina alone, but 70-80%, and what is important there were few of villages were Serbs and Croats lived together. Most setllements were monoethnic. Serbs lived in their villages, Croats lived in their own villages.

This map of part of Lika show that. Red are Serbs, blue are Croats.

https://i.imgur.com/5JAeDqp.jpg

This situation, along with religious difference, is fact that there were very low rate of mixing and intermarriage.

Commanders were most often Germans. Some teachers and administration as well. In many frontier school classes were held in German, such as in grammar school Tesla attended.
Religious differences mostly prevented mixing, but it can never be excluded.

Gypsies were almost slaves and untouchables in Romania and they have large Balkan admixture today.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, very nice work. How would you define my family in terms of clustering ?

you are in the center of Croatian Cluster. i forgot all your ancestries you mentioned.. you have some Herzegovinian or Bosnian Croat,Bosniak and Serb influence? you are slightly north of all of that because of your Croatian Croat and German ancestry i guess

by you i mean you and your parents, i took roughly a centerpoint between your 3 kits. your parents seem similar to each other , you should be too but it's a little bit misarranged becuase of different qualities of your kits.

[Jana]

Actually all my Croatian ancestry is from Croatian-Croats. But thing is large part of Croatian-Croats are by origin partly from BiH, especially in Dalmatia and Slavonia going centuries back.
My mother has little Serbian ancestry, and my father is quater Bosniak. There should be some German in there but G25 says I have practically none except for my mtDNA.

It's interesting how similar my parents are.

[vbnetkhio]

I think Štokavian dialect was created as fussion between Slavic and Vlach groups.

i also sometimes think that looking at how Shtokavian is melodic, like a Romance language. but i think this happened earlier than you think. this is a Serbian text somewhere from pre-Turkish times, the writer got relaxed and
wrote some phrases in his everyday language instead of old church Slavonic.


:г͠: Аще кто деѡ свои꙼ ꙁапишеть комꙋ и припишеть на кога, и аще бꙋдеть вь томь писани ꙁаписано и ѡномꙋ дїꙗкꙋ кои е писаѡ, то да се не вѣрꙋеⷮ:

4. deo - umiesto del;
5. na koga - umiesto na kogo;
6. koi je pisao - umiesto iže jest pisal;


https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=4578.0

[Pribislav]

Post South Slavic, Romanian, Albanian, Greek, Hungarian, Austrian.. k15,k13,k36, results, oracles, k15 pca, k36 similarity map..

k15 pca, posted by ***** on eupedia forum
90633

Serb from Bajina Bašta and Užička Požega, surname Spasović:

K15
North_Sea 20.92
Baltic 18.04
Atlantic 16.12
Eastern_Euro 13.97
West_Med 13.22
East_Med 11.24
West_Asian 6.12
Oceanian 0.37

Serb from Kordun, surname Grmuša (he is I2a1b):
K15
North_Sea 19.29
Atlantic 18.82
Baltic 16.44
Eastern_Euro 14.67
West_Med 14.33
East_Med 9.91
West_Asian 5.5
Siberian 0.42
Oceanian 0.37
Amerindian 0.22
Northeast_African 0.03

[Jana]

i also sometimes think that looking at how Shtokavian is melodic, like a Romance language. but i think this happened earlier than you think. this is a Serbian text somewhere from pre-Turkish times, the writer got relaxed and
wrote some phrases in his everyday language instead of old church Slavonic.

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=4578.0

Interesting. To me Štokavian dialects don't have the typical Slavic intonation. Čakavian received clear Romance influence as well but it is softer and more arhaic sounding in comparison with Štokavian.
Štokavian to me often sounds harsh and very clear. Kajkavian sounds very Slavic in comparison.

[Pribislav]

Serb from Bajina Bašta and Užička Požega, surname Spasović:

K15
North_Sea 20.92
Baltic 18.04
Atlantic 16.12
Eastern_Euro 13.97
West_Med 13.22
East_Med 11.24
West_Asian 6.12
Oceanian 0.37

Serb from Kordun, surname Grmuša (he is I2a1b):
K15
North_Sea 19.29
Atlantic 18.82
Baltic 16.44
Eastern_Euro 14.67
West_Med 14.33
East_Med 9.91
West_Asian 5.5
Siberian 0.42
Oceanian 0.37
Amerindian 0.22
Northeast_African 0.03

Their K13.

Spasović
Baltic 31.86
North_Atlantic 26.63
West_Med 19.89
East_Med 11.26
West_Asian 9.94
Siberian 0.23
Red_Sea 0.19

Grmuša
Baltic 30.26
North_Atlantic 28.63
West_Med 20.39
East_Med 11. 16
West_Asian 8.74
Siberian 0.43
Red_Sea 0.39

[vbnetkhio]

Their K13.

Spasović
Baltic 31.86
North_Atlantic 26.63
West_Med 19.89
East_Med 11.26
West_Asian 9.94
Siberian 0.23
Red_Sea 0.19

Grmuša
Baltic 30.26
North_Atlantic 28.63
West_Med 20.39
East_Med 11. 16
West_Asian 8.74
Siberian 0.43
Red_Sea 0.39

https://i.imgur.com/IbT4KiL.png

here. could you please post unsorted resluts(when possible) and k36 results too.
or post result like this if it doesn't take too much time(example):

name,34.56,18.23,0,0,34.56....(with 0s included)

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/IbT4KiL.png

here. could you please post unsorted resluts(when possible) and k36 results too.
or post result like this if it doesn't take too much time(example):

name,34.56,18.23,0,0,34.56....(with 0s included)

Unfortunately I don't have their K36, only K13 and K15.

[vbnetkhio]

Unfortunately I don't have their K36, only K13 and K15.

ok, i already plotted these two, i mean for the next results you'll post.

the most convenient format for me is horizontal, with commas and zero values, like that example i posted
this is ok too, copied straight from gedmatch, like this:

Population
North_Atlantic 32.83 Pct
Baltic 25.22 Pct
West_Med 15.54 Pct
West_Asian 10.19 Pct
East_Med 12.78 Pct
Red_Sea 1.61 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Siberian 0.96 Pct
Amerindian 0.74 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Pribislav]

ok, i already plotted these two, i mean for the next results you'll post.

the most convenient format for me is horizontal, with commas and zero values, like that example i posted
this is ok too, copied straight from gedmatch, like this:

Population
North_Atlantic 32.83 Pct
Baltic 25.22 Pct
West_Med 15.54 Pct
West_Asian 10.19 Pct
East_Med 12.78 Pct
Red_Sea 1.61 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Siberian 0.96 Pct
Amerindian 0.74 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

I don't have much time forum since mid of September and I writte from my phone and that is different than from computer, but OK.

[Pribislav]

Interesting. To me Štokavian dialects don't have the typical Slavic intonation. Čakavian received clear Romance influence as well but it is softer and more arhaic sounding in comparison with Štokavian.
Štokavian to me often sounds harsh and very clear. Kajkavian sounds very Slavic in comparison.

This is very true.
Štokavian (cummunist umbrella for Serbian language) sounds like old Latin, only have Slavic vocabular.

[vbnetkhio]

I don't have much time forum since mid of September and I writte from my phone and that is different than from computer, but OK.

i appreciate every result.
i just said if you have unsorted results, or enough time to format them, post them like that, if not,sorted is ok too.
because i collect results in an excel table, and it's way easier to add unsorted results to it

and i plan to make all kinds of statistics from that table in the future, not only pca.

maybe something like these graphs:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?302937-8-000-NEW-WORLD-GEDMATCH-KITS

[Pribislav]

No, that is false. Population just declined. There are plenty of Krajina Serbs who are genetically more Croat than Serb like.
And it is visible in surnames.

Vrkić is typical Croatian surname and among Krajina Serbs it is from locals.

Catholic sounding and ikavian surnames exist among Krajina Serbs, like: Ivančić, Jerkan, Stipanović, Sikirica, Bilić, Ivanković, Jurašin, Bilčar, Cvitkovac, Jurković, Marinčić, Marin, Matijaš, Matas, Gambiroža, Šimić, Mišina, Josić etc. That is not conected with Croatians but with the fact that large part of Serbs were Catholics before Sveti Sava and even after him, and with the fact that in some parts of Dalmatia and W. Bosnia Serbs have ikavian reflex of yat (Livno, Duvno, Kupres, Sinj areas, and some villages around Vrlika and Drniš, and few Village near Split and Klis).

[Dušan]

Catholic sounding and ikavian surnames exist among Krajina Serbs, like: Ivančić, Jerkan, Stipanović, Sikirica, Bilić, Ivanković, Jurašin, Bilčar, Cvitkovac, Jurković, Marinčić, Marin, Matijaš, Matas, Gambiroža, Šimić, Mišina, Josić etc. That is not conected with Croatians but with the fact that large part of Serbs were Catholics before Sveti Sava and even after him, and with the fact that in some parts of Dalmatia and W. Bosnia Serbs have ikavian reflex of yat (Livno, Duvno, Kupres, Sinj areas, and some villages around Vrlika and Drniš, and few Village near Split and Klis).

Thats not more than 1% of Krajina Serb surnames. There are more surname with turkish sound (like mine), but it has nothing to do with Turks but just borrowed words for some things.

[Pribislav]

Thats not more than 1% of Krajina Serb surnames. There are more surname with turkish sound (like mine), but it has nothing to do with Turks but just borrowed words for some things.

Most of surnames up which I post exist among Dalmatian Serbs, among them there is most "Catholic" sounding/shifted surnames, but I say again that is not conected with Croatians.

[Mingle]

I think Štokavian dialect was created as fussion between Slavic and Vlach groups. Maybe you didn't know but North/Kajkavian Croats call all Štokavians Vlachs, including Croats štokavians.
Also sherperding lifestyle had to be adopted upon interaction with Vlachs.

My opinion is remnants of Vlachs were always minority among migrating SW Slavs but never completely assimilated until later on.

Shepherding is a universal occupation mainly done by highlanders, which Shtokavian-speakers are much more likely to be compared to Kaykavian-speakers who mainly live in the plains.

Though I still agree that Shtokavian-speakers would have the most Vlach influence since their region had the least Slavic influence and highlanders are less likely to pick up foreign (i.e. Slavic) admixture.

[Jana]

Catholic sounding and ikavian surnames exist among Krajina Serbs, like: Ivančić, Jerkan, Stipanović, Sikirica, Bilić, Ivanković, Jurašin, Bilčar, Cvitkovac, Jurković, Marinčić, Marin, Matijaš, Matas, Gambiroža, Šimić, Mišina, Josić etc. That is not conected with Croatians but with the fact that large part of Serbs were Catholics before Sveti Sava and even after him, and with the fact that in some parts of Dalmatia and W. Bosnia Serbs have ikavian reflex of yat (Livno, Duvno, Kupres, Sinj areas, and some villages around Vrlika and Drniš, and few Village near Split and Klis).

Assimilated Croats.


Most of surnames up which I post exist among Dalmatian Serbs, among them there is most "Catholic" sounding/shifted surnames, but I say again that is not conected with Croatians.

You wish. xD

[Jana]

Shepherding is a universal occupation mainly done by highlanders, which Shtokavian-speakers are much more likely to be compared to Kaykavian-speakers who mainly live in the plains.

Though I still agree that Shtokavian-speakers would have the most Vlach influence since their region had the least Slavic influence and highlanders are less likely to pick up foreign (i.e. Slavic) admixture.

Kajkavian region is hilly in Zagorje or even mountanious like Gorski kotar with plains in Međimurje and Central Croatia. Slavonia which is flatest region in Croatia is Štokavian speaking.

https://i.redd.it/gwdt2bvvjlv21.png

Overall neither Croatia nor Serbia are mountanious countries. Only Montenegro and Bosnia are.

[Pribislav]

Assimilated Croats.



You wish. xD

For example are these Dalmatian Serb surnames: Šarić, Šarac, Revača, Šorgić, Martić, Đapić, Knežević, Tomić, Vidić, Lukić, Lukač, Prijić, Rašković, Cvijanović, Degenek, Borjan, Trivan, Dragaš, Mirić, Marić, Milić, Jasnić, Končarević, Barišić, Komazec, Sladaković, Alfirević, Bradaš, Šegan, Marjanović, Beara, Beader, Rusić, Stojić sounds Croatian to you?

For me there is nothing Croatian about these surnames.

[Pribislav]

Here is Dalmatian Serb. His surname is Atlagić. Atlagići are from Ostrovica near Benkovac.

K13
1 Baltic 32.56
2 North_Atlantic 28.23
3 West_Med 16.39
4 East_Med 11.98
5 West_Asian 10.14
6 Siberian 0.35
7 Red_Sea 0.2
8 Oceanian 0.15

K15
1 North_Sea 20.12
2 Atlantic 19.22
3 Baltic 17.19
4 Eastern_Euro 15.23
5 West_Med 11.06
6 East_Med 11.01
7 West_Asian 6.17

His position on K15 map.

https://i.imgur.com/kuAbVUN.jpg

[Pribislav]

Serb from Ozren (northeastern Bosnia).

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.36
2 Atlantic 18.78
3 North_Sea 15.37
4 Eastern_Euro 13.52
5 West_Med 11.59
6 East_Med 9.43
7 West_Asian 7.96
8 Red_Sea 2.22
9 South_Asian 1.23
10 Siberian 0.53

[Ford]

Serb from Ozren (northeastern Bosnia).

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.36
2 Atlantic 18.78
3 North_Sea 15.37
4 Eastern_Euro 13.52
5 West_Med 11.59
6 East_Med 9.43
7 West_Asian 7.96
8 Red_Sea 2.22
9 South_Asian 1.23
10 Siberian 0.53

Do you have kit number?

[Pribislav]

Do you have kit number?

No, he posted his results on Poreklo few day ago.

[Dušan]

Serb from Ozren (northeastern Bosnia).

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.36
2 Atlantic 18.78
3 North_Sea 15.37
4 Eastern_Euro 13.52
5 West_Med 11.59
6 East_Med 9.43
7 West_Asian 7.96
8 Red_Sea 2.22
9 South_Asian 1.23
10 Siberian 0.53

He is slightly more southern than me, and a very little bit eastern.

https://i.imgur.com/eASgKja.png

[Dick]

He is slightly more southern than me, and a very little bit eastern.

https://i.imgur.com/eASgKja.png

That’s where my father plots but his components are different. Also he is from Pomoravlje central Serbia

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.46
2 North_Sea 20.84
3 Atlantic 11.87
4 East_Med 11.76
5 West_Med 11.56
6 Eastern_Euro 10.57
7 West_Asian 7.18
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 South_Asian 1.18
10 Oceanian 0.59
11 Amerindian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.16
2 Hungarian 7.66
3 Croatian 8.17
4 Serbian 8.49
5 Romanian 9
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.95
7 Bulgarian 11.09
8 Austrian 11.57
9 Ukrainian 12.23
10 South_Polish 12.57
11 East_German 13.33
12 Polish 15.49
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.18
14 Russian_Smolensk 16.24
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.62
16 Southwest_Russian 16.64
17 Belorussian 17.91
18 Estonian_Polish 18.35
19 West_German 18.4
20 Finnish 18.61

[Dušan]

That’s where my father plots but his components are different. Also he is from Pomoravlje central Serbia

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.46
2 North_Sea 20.84
3 Atlantic 11.87
4 East_Med 11.76
5 West_Med 11.56
6 Eastern_Euro 10.57
7 West_Asian 7.18
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 South_Asian 1.18
10 Oceanian 0.59
11 Amerindian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.16
2 Hungarian 7.66
3 Croatian 8.17
4 Serbian 8.49
5 Romanian 9
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.95
7 Bulgarian 11.09
8 Austrian 11.57
9 Ukrainian 12.23
10 South_Polish 12.57
11 East_German 13.33
12 Polish 15.49
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.18
14 Russian_Smolensk 16.24
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.62
16 Southwest_Russian 16.64
17 Belorussian 17.91
18 Estonian_Polish 18.35
19 West_German 18.4
20 Finnish 18.61

Yeah, it is almost identical result with that Ozren guy, only a pixel difference.

https://i.imgur.com/W2x3nhP.png

[Pribislav]

He is slightly more southern than me, and a very little bit eastern.

https://i.imgur.com/eASgKja.png

His haplogroup is I-CTS10228_Y4882_A1328. *

According ti him his paternal line arrived to Ozren from Herzegovina in 18th century.

[Ford]

His haplogroup is I-CTS10228_Y4882_A1328. *

According ti him his paternal line arrived to Ozren from Herzegovina in 18th century.

There is a lot of Montenegrin/Herzegovinian roots in this area. My 3x Great-grandfather on my mother's side arrived on Ozren from Montenegro for example.

[Pribislav]

There is a lot of Montenegrin/Herzegovinian roots in this area. My 3x Great-grandfather on my mother's side arrived on Ozren from Montenegro for example.

Ozren Serbs are interesting because they use old Serbian medieval štokavian sub-dialect used in Bosnia known as šćakavian.
Kupres Serbs are also šćakavians. Difference is that Kupres Serbs are ikavian šćakavians, and Ozren Serbs are (i)jekavian šćakavians.

[Pribislav]

I think Štokavian dialect was created as fussion between Slavic and Vlach groups. Maybe you didn't know but North/Kajkavian Croats call all Štokavians Vlachs, including Croats štokavians.
Also sherperding lifestyle had to be adopted upon interaction with Vlachs.

My opinion is remnants of Vlachs were always minority among migrating SW Slavs but never completely assimilated until later on.

Vlach was social class of sheperds in medieval Serbia, and in early Ottoman time in western Balkan, there is nothing ethnic about that term.
With time term vlach became insult for Orthodoxes by Catholics, for all Christians by Slavic speaking Muslims, for Serbian/shtokavian speaking Orthodoxes and Catholics by chakavian and Kaykavian speakers.

[Jana]

Ozren Serbs are interesting because they use old Serbian medieval štokavian sub-dialect used in Bosnia known as šćakavian.
Kupres Serbs are also šćakavians. Difference is that Kupres Serbs are ikavian šćakavians, and Ozren Serbs are (i)jekavian šćakavians.

A da se radije preimenuješ Hrvatom nego da trpaš većinski hrvatska narječja u srpska (šćakavski je jezik pred-Osmanske Slavonije) i postaš Srbe koji su genetski Hrvati kao tipične Gedže ?

[Pribislav]

A da se radije preimenuješ Hrvatom nego da trpaš većinski hrvatska narječja u srpska (šćakavski je jezik pred-Osmanske Slavonije) i postaš Srbe koji su genetski Hrvati kao tipične Gedže ?

Netačno, predosmanski jezik Slavonije je kajkavica i ima smisla kad Slovenci polažu istorijsko pravo na Slavoniju . :)

Još nisi naučila da postoje genetski Hrvati. Ima vas šaka jada, a klasterirate od Čeha i južnih Poljaka do Crnogoraca i Bugara, ka da ste narod od 60 miliona i da Hrvatska ima jedno 500 000 km/2.

[Jana]

Netačno, predosmanski jezik Slavonije je kajkavica i ima smisla kad Slovenci polažu istorijsko pravo na Slavoniju . :)
Još nisi naučila da postoje genetski Hrvati. Ima vas šaka jada, a klasterirate od Čeha i južnih Poljaka do Crnogoraca i Bugara, ka da ste narod od 60 miliona i da Hrvatska ima jedno 500 000 km/2.

Zato ste i dobili nogom u dupe od nas a čak su vas i Šipci istjerali sa Kosmeta. Srbi svima idu na jetra svojim mitovima i legendama. Presuda = Pribi se stavlja na ignore listu.

[vbnetkhio]

A da se radije preimenuješ Hrvatom nego da trpaš većinski hrvatska narječja u srpska (šćakavski je jezik pred-Osmanske Slavonije) i postaš Srbe koji su genetski Hrvati kao tipične Gedže ?

that guy from Ozren plots like Dick's dad who's a Gedža from Pomoravlje
can pass as an average Serb or a more southern pulled Croat.

[Dick]

Ajmo bre gedze svi u kolo



https://youtu.be/4MEJUaR2WU4

[Jana]

that guy from Ozren plots like Dick's dad who's a Gedža from Pomoravlje
can pass as an average Serb or a more southern pulled Croat.

Hey, I don't think on that guy. I think of Atlagić.

[Pribislav]

Tested Atlagić is from same village as Serbian historian and former ministrer in governmant of Republic Serbian of Krajina http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_Atlagić

[Jana]

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlagi%C4%87

Atlagići (Atlibegovići, Atilbegovići) su bili vrlo ugledna hrvatska plemićka obitelj u Livnu, prozvana tako po svoj prilici po onom Atliagi, koji se proslavio pri zauzeću Klisa 1536., a Atlibegovići po zaimu (lenskom vitezu) Atlibegu, koji se prvi put spominje 1642. godine."

Dakle konvertiti. Na islam i pravoslavlje.

In Croatia, Atlagić families are mainly Serbs, equally Croats (from Sibenik ).

https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Atlagi%C4%87/

[Jana]

Barišić

https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Bari%C5%A1i%C4%87/

Barišić families are mainly Croats and they are mostly from Opuzen area. According to some sources they are from Omis, very rarely Serbs.

Borna Barišić, Croatia's national team full-back
https://cdn.footballtransfertavern.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Borna-Barisic.jpg

etc.

[Pribislav]

Smatra se da je pretka od pravoslavnih Atlagića je zarobio Stojan Janković i doveo ga u Dalmaciju, te je on iz islama prešao u pravoslavlje. Oni jesu bili begovska porodica u Livnu.
Pokušavam da saznam y dnk od tog Atlagića od kojeg sam postavio K13 i K15. On je blizak Vrkiću iz Like, Eiću i Slijepčeviću sa Banije kao i Hungry Lionu, i svi su zapadniji od Hrvata.

[Pribislav]

Post South Slavic, Romanian, Albanian, Greek, Hungarian, Austrian.. k15,k13,k36, results, oracles, k15 pca, k36 similarity map..

k15 pca, posted by ***** on eupedia forum
90633

Another Banija Serb, surname Beić.

Population
North_Sea 19.76 Pct
Atlantic 16.65 Pct
Baltic 22.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.34 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 5.16 Pct
East_Med 10.02 Pct
Red_Sea 0.07 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.03 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

Another Banija Serb, surname Beić.

Population
North_Sea 19.76 Pct
Atlantic 16.65 Pct
Baltic 22.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.34 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 5.16 Pct
East_Med 10.02 Pct
Red_Sea 0.07 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.03 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

thanks for the unsorted results
https://i.imgur.com/ennYvHI.png

he plots in the HungryLion zone

[Leto]

Another Banija Serb, surname Beić.

Population
North_Sea 19.76 Pct
Atlantic 16.65 Pct
Baltic 22.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.34 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 5.16 Pct
East_Med 10.02 Pct
Red_Sea 0.07 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.03 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Is he 34% Baltic on K13? Just curious.

[Jana]

They are not more western than Croats, because that is average only and not a single person plots exactly there. Interesting how Pribislav continues to post these genetic non-Serbs.
And Serbs dare to call Croats fake nation.

All these genetic results just proves lies and manipulation of Serbian ''nationalism''. Banija Serbs are mixed mongrels. Not suprising.

[vbnetkhio]

Hey, I don't think on that guy. I think of Atlagić.

yeah, he could pass as an average Croat. but so could some Serbs from Serbia who are more Germanic or Slavic than average.
he could also have actual Croat ancestry, why not.

i think Pribislav didn't present him as an average Serb, but as one in the most nortehrn Serbian zone.

[Jana]

yeah, he could pass as an average Croat. but so could some Serbs from Serbia who are more Germanic or Slavic than average.
he could also have actual Croat ancestry, why not.

i think Pribislav didn't present him as an average Serb, but as one in the most northern Serbian zone.

Pribislav is always posting Serbs who plot closest to Croats and than trying to present them as pure Serbs to claim we are Serbs.
It would be similar if I would post mostly Zagorje Croats who plot with Czechs and than claim Czechs descend from Croats.

There are def. Krajina Serbs who plot like Serbs (Ayetooney's dad, Dušan), but there are plenty with quite suspicious results.
Dušan for example plots quite north, but not in direction of Croats. He is more eastern than we are and his phenotype as well look like a Slavic shifted Serb.

Pribislav never posted his results and he looks like a Croat. I am pretty sure he is mixed, but since he is a Četnik it is painful for him.

[Pribislav]

They are not more western than Croats, because that is average only and not a single person plots exactly there. Interesting how Pribislav continues to post these genetic non-Serbs.
And Serbs dare to call Croats fake nation.

All these genetic results just proves lies and manipulation of Serbian ''nationalism''. Banija Serbs are mixed mongrels. Not suprising.

As Krajina Serb Pribislav is interested for their genetic, this last train for pure Krajina Serb autosomal because with time they will be more and more mixed with other Serbs.
Result of Serb with father from Banija or Lika and mother from Montenegro or Niš means nothing for understanding of autosomal of Banija or Lika Serbs. Y dna is different, even y dna test of person with Krajina Serb father and Asian mother make sense for Krajina Serb y dna understanding.

I got all these results from Hungry Lion except for Ozren guy. HL is very interested for Banija Serb autosomal, because he is one of them.

[Pribislav]

Is he 34% Baltic on K13? Just curious.

Currently I don't have his K13, but I will try to find.

[vbnetkhio]

i found a dozen kits of Serbs from Croatia or West Bosnia, Croats from Mostar region, and South Montenegrins.

https://i.imgur.com/StYIlCq.png

light purple - Herz. Croats i had before
dark purple - new ones

light orange - Cro & B&H Serbs i had before (2 outliers, a Lika Serb with increased South Asian and a B.Krajina Serb which plots like a Montenegrin.)
dark orange - new ones

light green - Montenegrins i had before (one outlier, which was more Slavic than the rest)
dark green - new ones

if somebody wants them, message me.

[Pribislav]

i found a dozen kits of Serbs from Croatia or West Bosnia, Croats from Mostar region, and South Montenegrins.

https://i.imgur.com/StYIlCq.png

light purple - Herz. Croats i had before
dark purple - new ones

light orange - Cro & B&H Serbs i had before (2 outliers, a Lika Serb with increased South Asian and a B.Krajina Serb which plots like a Montenegrin.)
dark orange - new ones

light green - Montenegrins i had before (one outlier, which was more Slavic than the rest)
dark green - new ones

if somebody wants them, message me.

From where exactly is Serb who ploting more northern than Hungarian average and can you post his K13 and K12b dodecad?

[CommonSense]

i found a dozen kits of Serbs from Croatia or West Bosnia, Croats from Mostar region, and South Montenegrins.

https://i.imgur.com/StYIlCq.png

light purple - Herz. Croats i had before
dark purple - new ones

light orange - Cro & B&H Serbs i had before (2 outliers, a Lika Serb with increased South Asian and a B.Krajina Serb which plots like a Montenegrin.)
dark orange - new ones

light green - Montenegrins i had before (one outlier, which was more Slavic than the rest)
dark green - new ones

if somebody wants them, message me.

Where is that Serb who plots with Magyars from and are you certain he doesn't have foreign admix? I've never seen anyone plot that far away. Same goes with that Montenegrin who plots next to Ford.

And how much South Asian does that Lika Serb score? Such an eastern pull would imply he had around 4%, which is something that people who are 1/8 Gypsy would score.

[vbnetkhio]

Where is that Serb who plots with Magyars from and are you certain he doesn't have foreign admix? I've never seen anyone plot that far away. Same goes with that Montenegrin who plots next to Ford.

And how much South Asian does that Lika Serb score? Such an eastern pull would imply he had around 4%, which is something that people who are 1/8 Gypsy would score.


From where exactly is Serb who ploting more northern than Hungarian average and can you post his K13 and K12b dodecad?

i sent you PMs with more info.

Serb who plots with Magyars

Population
North_Atlantic 31.43 Pct
Baltic 31.84 Pct
West_Med 13.96 Pct
West_Asian 9.09 Pct
East_Med 11.60 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.34 Pct
Siberian 1.61 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.10 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 2.86
2 Croatian 6.14
3 Austrian 6.65
4 Moldavian 6.81
5 Serbian 7.16
6 East_German 7.58
7 South_Polish 10.77
8 Romanian 11.26
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.48
10 Ukrainian 12.46
11 West_German 13.7
12 Bulgarian 13.95
13 Polish 14.74
14 South_Dutch 15.13
15 North_German 16.14
16 Southwest_Russian 16.18
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.46
18 North_Swedish 17
19 Russian_Smolensk 17.44
20 French 17.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Hungarian + 11.2% Bulgarian @ 2.26
2 86.8% Hungarian + 13.2% Romanian @ 2.31
3 80.3% Hungarian + 19.7% Serbian @ 2.32
4 97.1% Hungarian + 2.9% Abhkasian @ 2.37
5 96.5% Hungarian + 3.5% Balkar @ 2.4
6 97.1% Hungarian + 2.9% Georgian @ 2.41
7 97% Hungarian + 3% Armenian @ 2.42
8 96.7% Hungarian + 3.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.42
9 96.7% Hungarian + 3.3% Adygei @ 2.43
10 96.5% Hungarian + 3.5% Kabardin @ 2.44
11 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Ossetian @ 2.46
12 81.6% Hungarian + 18.4% Moldavian @ 2.47
13 97.2% Hungarian + 2.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.47
14 96.6% Hungarian + 3.4% Kumyk @ 2.47
15 95.3% Hungarian + 4.7% Central_Greek @ 2.48
16 96.6% Hungarian + 3.4% Turkish @ 2.48
17 94.1% Hungarian + 5.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.49
18 97.2% Hungarian + 2.8% Assyrian @ 2.49
19 96.9% Hungarian + 3.1% Cyprian @ 2.49
20 96.8% Hungarian + 3.2% Chechen @ 2.52

Population
Gedrosia 6.79 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Northwest_African 0.31 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.30 Pct
Atlantic_Med 29.96 Pct
North_European 43.47 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.81 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Lika Serb there was one with 1.49 south asian, so i thought it was him plotting there. but it's actually this one. he has high West Asian and East Med, like he is Thracian(not Illyrian)+Slavic. he is similar to some more Slavic Bulgarians. you can see him on previuos plots, he is an outlier from other Lika Serbs and from all Serbs.

North_Sea 11.45
Atlantic 16.49
Baltic 23.24
Eastern_Euro 12.81
West_Med 8.9
West_Asian 11.19
East_Med 12.51
Red_Sea 2.67
South_Asian 0.65
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0.1
Northeast_African 0
Sub_Saharan 0

that most Slavic Montenegrin i had before (academic sample)


Kit MN4421166

Population
North_Atlantic 26.63 Pct
Baltic 30.05 Pct
West_Med 17.16 Pct
West_Asian 8.13 Pct
East_Med 13.93 Pct
Red_Sea 1.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.56 Pct
East_Asian 1.05 Pct
Siberian 0.24 Pct
Amerindian 1.12 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.83
2 Moldavian 5.6
3 Romanian 7.07
4 Croatian 7.12
5 Hungarian 7.42
6 Bulgarian 9.31
7 Austrian 10.79
8 East_German 11.91
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.79
10 South_Polish 14.26
11 Ukrainian 14.86
12 West_German 16.73
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.73
14 Polish 17.82
15 South_Dutch 18.15
16 French 18.47
17 Southwest_Russian 18.59
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.91
19 North_Italian 19.13
20 Russian_Smolensk 20.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.4% Croatian + 24.6% Tuscan @ 1.82
2 58.8% Ukrainian + 41.2% Tuscan @ 1.9
3 78.5% Croatian + 21.5% West_Sicilian @ 1.98
4 62.9% Ukrainian + 37.1% West_Sicilian @ 2.25
5 50.2% Romanian + 49.8% Croatian @ 2.3
6 77.9% Croatian + 22.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.37
7 81.2% Croatian + 18.8% South_Italian @ 2.4
8 69.2% Serbian + 30.8% Croatian @ 2.41
9 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.42
10 52.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.2% Tuscan @ 2.54
11 83.7% Croatian + 16.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.55
12 79.2% Moldavian + 20.8% North_Italian @ 2.56
13 83.8% Serbian + 16.2% Ukrainian @ 2.57
14 69% Romanian + 31% Ukrainian @ 2.59
15 50.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.7% North_Italian @ 2.59
16 60.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.2% Tuscan @ 2.59
17 74.1% Croatian + 25.9% North_Italian @ 2.59
18 72.8% Romanian + 27.2% Polish @ 2.62
19 64% South_Polish + 36% West_Sicilian @ 2.65
20 64.1% Serbian + 35.9% Moldavian @ 2.65

new Most Slavic Montenegrin #1

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.48
2 North_Atlantic 27.03
3 West_Med 15.27
4 East_Med 13.77
5 West_Asian 10.42
6 Siberian 0.79
7 East_Asian 0.2
8 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.47
2 Serbian 5.52
3 Croatian 5.74
4 Hungarian 6.75
5 Romanian 8.76
6 Austrian 10.8
7 Bulgarian 10.85
8 East_German 11.67
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.02
10 South_Polish 12.23
11 Ukrainian 13.02
12 Polish 16
13 Southwest_Russian 16.32
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.48
15 West_German 17.51
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.12
17 Estonian_Polish 18.71
18 South_Dutch 19.01
19 Belorussian 19.18
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 1.98
2 58.6% Romanian + 41.4% South_Polish @ 2.1
3 60.3% Romanian + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.39
4 68.9% South_Polish + 31.1% Central_Greek @ 2.41
5 72% South_Polish + 28% South_Italian @ 2.5
6 65.3% Romanian + 34.7% Polish @ 2.5
7 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Lithuanian @ 2.64
8 62.1% South_Polish + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.66
9 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Romanian @ 2.67
10 77.1% Serbian + 22.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.68
11 66.7% Ukrainian + 33.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.68
12 60% Bulgarian + 40% Polish @ 2.69
13 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.72
14 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Estonian @ 2.75
15 67.6% Croatian + 32.4% Bulgarian @ 2.76
16 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Belorussian @ 2.76
17 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Ukrainian @ 2.78
18 68.2% South_Polish + 31.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
19 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.81
20 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Estonian @ 2.83

new Most Slavic Montenegrin #2
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.46
2 North_Atlantic 25.48
3 East_Med 15.57
4 West_Med 14.67
5 West_Asian 7.45
6 Siberian 1.89
7 Amerindian 0.54
8 Red_Sea 0.48
9 Oceanian 0.24
10 Sub-Saharan 0.14
11 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.24
2 Croatian 6.3
3 Serbian 6.41
4 Hungarian 7.98
5 Romanian 9.38
6 Bulgarian 11.07
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.02
8 South_Polish 12.44
9 Austrian 12.56
10 Ukrainian 12.83
11 East_German 13.2
12 Southwest_Russian 15.71
13 Polish 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.28
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.81
16 Estonian_Polish 18.06
17 Belorussian 18.57
18 West_German 19.22
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.72
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% Estonian @ 2.39
2 74% Ukrainian + 26% Italian_Jewish @ 2.54
3 63.1% Bulgarian + 36.9% Belorussian @ 2.55
4 69.4% Ukrainian + 30.6% Ashkenazi @ 2.66
5 53.4% Greek_Thessaly + 46.6% Estonian @ 2.69
6 62.5% Bulgarian + 37.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.71
7 60.7% Southwest_Russian + 39.3% Tuscan @ 2.72
8 70.1% South_Polish + 29.9% Ashkenazi @ 2.76
9 67.2% Romanian + 32.8% Belorussian @ 2.83
10 66.6% Romanian + 33.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.84
11 51.5% Belorussian + 48.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.86
12 63.8% Southwest_Russian + 36.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.86
13 67.7% Bulgarian + 32.3% Finnish @ 2.97
14 53.9% Bulgarian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 2.98
15 63.4% Romanian + 36.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3
16 74.2% Ukrainian + 25.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3
17 53.1% Bulgarian + 46.9% South_Polish @ 3.01
18 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% Lithuanian @ 3.01
19 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% East_Finnish @ 3.04
20 74.8% South_Polish + 25.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.04

[Jana]

^^^^ First one plot and has gedmatch like a fully ethnic Hungarian.

[vbnetkhio]

^^^^ First one plot and has gedmatch like a fully ethnic Hungarian.

this is the main Hungarian cluster with all those academic samples added. so the Hungarian average is pretty accurate.

https://i.imgur.com/8t67LxV.png

i noticed everybody still likes this old Tolan map the most, because it's easy to orientate because of the large symbols, i often read posts like "i plot near the M of Moldovian", etc. so i'm gonna post it more now.

[Leto]

Those two Montenegrins score very high Baltic (32-33 percent)!

[HungryLion]

Those two Montenegrins score very high Baltic (32-33 percent)!

I think they score more than me, but I am not sure tbh whitout cheeking. But they are close whitout doubt.

[vbnetkhio]

as i said before, the Montenegrins have a quite big east-west range.
the most western one from Plav and Cetinje has increased Atlantic and West Med(Celtic&Illyrian?) like some Croats from Dalmatia and more importantly like those ancient Delmatian/Illyrian samples. that most southeastern Montenegrin from Podgorica has less of that, and more East Med and West asian (Thracian?)

and if you draw "lines of mixing" from those Montenegrin extremes to the Belorusians, who are very probably the most similar to proto-Slavs, most Serbs end up within this "triangle".

which means that Serbs are like Montenegrins with more Slavic influence, or in other words Montenegrins are like Serbs, but for one step closer to the pre-Slavic Balkan population.

https://i.imgur.com/TMt6HVZ.png

there is very little Serbian outliers plotting to the east of this line, mostly noise or some distant exotic admixtures. but there is a lot of Serbs west of the "triangle". i assumed this is a Germanic pull (red line), from many Germanic peoples which started coming to the Balkans even before Slavs.

So Serbs are mainly like Montenegrins + Slavic and Germanic influence.

and pre-Slavic Balkanians were of course even more southern than Montenegrins, they were similar to Italians and Greeks.

[vbnetkhio]

Those two Montenegrins score very high Baltic (32-33 percent)!

i just got new info, it's a mixed Serbian-Montenegrin family. those with high baltic are from Serbia, and those down south from Montenegro.

[CommonSense]

i just got new info, it's a mixed Serbian-Montenegrin family. those with high baltic are from Serbia, and those down south from Montenegro.

I posted their results here a while ago, in case somebody is wondering

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6205913&viewfull=1#post6205913

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6205965&viewfull=1#post6205965

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/TyW69tZ.png

Montenegrins, Serbian Serbs, Cro & B&H Serbs

2 of those Serbian Serb outliers are academic samples and they get Montenegrins and Albanians in their matches list, and the 3rd one is a Kosovo Serb who plots far away from other Kosovo Serbs, probably has some Albanian admixture

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/TyW69tZ.png

Montenegrins, Serbian Serbs, Cro & B&H Serbs

2 of those Serbian Serb outliers are academic samples and they get Montenegrins and Albanians in their matches list, and the 3rd one is a Kosovo Serb who plots far away from other Kosovo Serbs, probably has some Albanian admixture

Overlap between Serbian and western Serbs (Bosnia and Krajina) over 80%.

Or even 90%.

[vbnetkhio]

Overlap between Serbian and western Serbs (Bosnia and Krajina) over 80%.

Or even 90%.

yep. Serbs from Šumadija are very Slavic, and those from Northern Bosnia like Branimir and Ford even a bit more.

[CommonSense]

https://i.imgur.com/TyW69tZ.png

Montenegrins, Serbian Serbs, Cro & B&H Serbs

2 of those Serbian Serb outliers are academic samples and they get Montenegrins and Albanians in their matches list, and the 3rd one is a Kosovo Serb who plots far away from other Kosovo Serbs, probably has some Albanian admixture

What about his matches, are they Albanians? Some Kosovo Serbs also have recent Montenegrin ancestry, like Srđan Đoković (Novak's dad). As far as I know, many settled there after the Balkan Wars.

[vbnetkhio]

What about his matches, are they Albanians? Some Kosovo Serbs also have recent Montenegrin ancestry, like Srđan Đoković (Novak's dad). As far as I know, many settled there after the Balkan Wars.

i just have his k15 result, ph2ter sent me. he is the one plotting south of Montenegrins. yeah, he could also be a pure south Montenegrin settler i guess.

[Dušan]

Where should be average Serbian dot (red square), average Serbia's Serb dot (green square) and average western Serb dot (blue square), according to this:

https://i.imgur.com/qlKMDw1.png

[Ford]

yep. Serbs from Šumadija are very Slavic, and those from Northern Bosnia like Branimir and Ford even a bit more.

It's Eastern Bosnia actually :D Well, northeastern if we're 100% correct :P

[Dušan]

It's Eastern Bosnia actually :D Well, northeastern if we're 100% correct :P

Zvornik?

[vbnetkhio]

It's Eastern Bosnia actually :D Well, northeastern if we're 100% correct :P

acknowledged. in that thread where you posted your results, Hrvoje said that you originate near the Pannonian plain and that's why you're so Slavic. it seems to be the case with those guys from Šumadija too.

also those Herzegovina Croats from Grude are one step more Slavic than those new ones i found which are from a mountain village in Herzegovina. Slavs loved plains.

[Jana]

My neighbour was an old man from Šumadija and he looked very Slavic. Could pass for a Russian easily.

[Jana]

acknowledged. in that thread where you posted your results, Hrvoje said that you originate near the Pannonian plain and that's why you're so Slavic. it seems to be the case with those guys from Šumadija too.

also those Herzegovina Croats from Grude are one step more Slavic than those new ones i found which are from a mountain village in Herzegovina. Slavs loved plains.

Can I see these villagers ?

[vbnetkhio]

Can I see these villagers ?

i plotted them on page 68

i would PM you their kits but i can't send you a message.
i don't wanna post them because people sometimes delete their kits when they see them discussed on forums.

[HungryLion]

Where should be average Serbian dot (red square), average Serbia's Serb dot (green square) and average western Serb dot (blue square), according to this:

https://i.imgur.com/qlKMDw1.png

Before few days I did the same and got the same spot average for Serb

[HungryLion]

the separation lines among the Serbs are minimal and very normal N/S W/E .

[Jana]

Ultimate pagan mother results, fully Bosnian Serb. You should add her to PCA.


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 25.05
2 North_Atlantic 23.46
3 East_Med 20.45
4 West_Med 19.88
5 West_Asian 10.52
6 Siberian 0.5
7 South_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 3.47
2 Romanian 4.1
3 Serbian 7.17
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.42
5 Moldavian 12.51
6 Hungarian 14.9
7 Croatian 15.05
8 North_Italian 15.22
9 Tuscan 15.22
10 Italian_Abruzzo 16.88
11 Central_Greek 17.37
12 Austrian 17.4
13 West_Sicilian 18.02
14 East_Sicilian 18.73
15 East_German 19.18
16 Ashkenazi 20.18
17 French 20.64
18 West_German 20.83
19 Portuguese 20.88
20 South_Italian 21.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Southwest_French @ 2.97
2 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% French_Basque @ 3.04
3 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.06
4 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.08
5 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.09
6 94.6% Bulgarian + 5.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.11
7 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.15
8 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.16
9 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.18
10 96.5% Bulgarian + 3.5% Sardinian @ 3.2
11 94.5% Bulgarian + 5.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.2
12 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.21
13 94% Bulgarian + 6% Portuguese @ 3.21
14 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% French @ 3.22
15 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% East_German @ 3.22
16 95.6% Bulgarian + 4.4% Southeast_English @ 3.22
17 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% North_Italian @ 3.24
18 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% South_Dutch @ 3.24
19 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Austrian @ 3.24
20 96.1% Bulgarian + 3.9% Southwest_English @ 3.24


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Atlantic 19.73
2 Baltic 18.94
3 East_Med 17.05
4 West_Med 14.63
5 North_Sea 10.25
6 West_Asian 10.05
7 Eastern_Euro 9.34

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5.39
2 Romanian 7.55
3 Greek 10.29
4 Serbian 10.44
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.58
6 Moldavian 13.79
7 Croatian 14.04
8 Austrian 14.36
9 Tuscan 14.63
10 North_Italian 15.25
11 Hungarian 16.13
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.17
13 Central_Greek 16.94
14 West_Sicilian 16.99
15 East_Sicilian 17.94
16 Ashkenazi 17.94
17 East_German 19.67
18 South_Italian 19.72
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.16
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 70.2% Greek + 29.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.47
2 72.5% Greek + 27.5% Belorussian @ 4.61
3 72.6% Greek + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.65
4 75% Greek + 25% Lithuanian @ 4.67
5 71% Greek + 29% Polish @ 4.81
6 59.3% Greek + 40.7% Croatian @ 4.93
7 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% French_Basque @ 4.95
8 68.9% Greek + 31.1% South_Polish @ 5.03
9 92.6% Bulgarian + 7.4% Southwest_French @ 5.1
10 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.15
11 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.18
12 93% Bulgarian + 7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.19
13 72% Greek + 28% Southwest_Russian @ 5.19
14 71.5% Greek + 28.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.24
15 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.25
16 96.8% Bulgarian + 3.2% Sardinian @ 5.26
17 95.5% Bulgarian + 4.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.28
18 96.2% Bulgarian + 3.8% Estonian_Polish @ 5.3
19 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.3
20 96.3% Bulgarian + 3.7% Belorussian @ 5.31

[Pribislav]

Ultimate pagan mother results, fully Bosnian Serb. You should add her to PCA.


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 25.05
2 North_Atlantic 23.46
3 East_Med 20.45
4 West_Med 19.88
5 West_Asian 10.52
6 Siberian 0.5
7 South_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 3.47
2 Romanian 4.1
3 Serbian 7.17
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.42
5 Moldavian 12.51
6 Hungarian 14.9
7 Croatian 15.05
8 North_Italian 15.22
9 Tuscan 15.22
10 Italian_Abruzzo 16.88
11 Central_Greek 17.37
12 Austrian 17.4
13 West_Sicilian 18.02
14 East_Sicilian 18.73
15 East_German 19.18
16 Ashkenazi 20.18
17 French 20.64
18 West_German 20.83
19 Portuguese 20.88
20 South_Italian 21.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Southwest_French @ 2.97
2 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% French_Basque @ 3.04
3 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.06
4 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.08
5 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.09
6 94.6% Bulgarian + 5.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.11
7 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.15
8 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.16
9 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.18
10 96.5% Bulgarian + 3.5% Sardinian @ 3.2
11 94.5% Bulgarian + 5.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.2
12 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.21
13 94% Bulgarian + 6% Portuguese @ 3.21
14 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% French @ 3.22
15 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% East_German @ 3.22
16 95.6% Bulgarian + 4.4% Southeast_English @ 3.22
17 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% North_Italian @ 3.24
18 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% South_Dutch @ 3.24
19 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Austrian @ 3.24
20 96.1% Bulgarian + 3.9% Southwest_English @ 3.24


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Atlantic 19.73
2 Baltic 18.94
3 East_Med 17.05
4 West_Med 14.63
5 North_Sea 10.25
6 West_Asian 10.05
7 Eastern_Euro 9.34

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5.39
2 Romanian 7.55
3 Greek 10.29
4 Serbian 10.44
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.58
6 Moldavian 13.79
7 Croatian 14.04
8 Austrian 14.36
9 Tuscan 14.63
10 North_Italian 15.25
11 Hungarian 16.13
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.17
13 Central_Greek 16.94
14 West_Sicilian 16.99
15 East_Sicilian 17.94
16 Ashkenazi 17.94
17 East_German 19.67
18 South_Italian 19.72
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.16
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 70.2% Greek + 29.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.47
2 72.5% Greek + 27.5% Belorussian @ 4.61
3 72.6% Greek + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.65
4 75% Greek + 25% Lithuanian @ 4.67
5 71% Greek + 29% Polish @ 4.81
6 59.3% Greek + 40.7% Croatian @ 4.93
7 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% French_Basque @ 4.95
8 68.9% Greek + 31.1% South_Polish @ 5.03
9 92.6% Bulgarian + 7.4% Southwest_French @ 5.1
10 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.15
11 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.18
12 93% Bulgarian + 7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.19
13 72% Greek + 28% Southwest_Russian @ 5.19
14 71.5% Greek + 28.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.24
15 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.25
16 96.8% Bulgarian + 3.2% Sardinian @ 5.26
17 95.5% Bulgarian + 4.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.28
18 96.2% Bulgarian + 3.8% Estonian_Polish @ 5.3
19 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.3
20 96.3% Bulgarian + 3.7% Belorussian @ 5.31

Look like typical Montenegrin result.

[Jana]

Look like typical Montenegrin result.

Or southern Serb. But she is fully Bosnian Serb.

[CommonSense]

Or southern Serb. But she is fully Bosnian Serb.

How can you be sure? Her original claim was that they were Bosnian Muslims, by the way :lol:

[Jana]

How can you be sure? Her original claim was that they were Bosnian Muslims, by the way :lol:

Because Decius wrote that, and he was her boyfriend so I am quite sure he knows her better than anyone.

[Jana]

How can you be sure? Her original claim was that they were Bosnian Muslims, by the way :lol:

Because Decius wrote that, and he was her boyfriend so I am quite sure he knows her better than anyone.


Her grandmother on her dads side is german from vojvodina and her grandfather on her dads side is slovak/croat mix or smth. Im thinking her dads side maybe mixed with serbs more. her mom is full serb from bosnia.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Ultimate pagan mother results, fully Bosnian Serb. You should add her to PCA.



Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Baltic 25.05
2 North_Atlantic 23.46
3 East_Med 20.45
4 West_Med 19.88
5 West_Asian 10.52
6 Siberian 0.5
7 South_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 3.47
2 Romanian 4.1
3 Serbian 7.17
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.42
5 Moldavian 12.51
6 Hungarian 14.9
7 Croatian 15.05
8 North_Italian 15.22
9 Tuscan 15.22
10 Italian_Abruzzo 16.88
11 Central_Greek 17.37
12 Austrian 17.4
13 West_Sicilian 18.02
14 East_Sicilian 18.73
15 East_German 19.18
16 Ashkenazi 20.18
17 French 20.64
18 West_German 20.83
19 Portuguese 20.88
20 South_Italian 21.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Southwest_French @ 2.97
2 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% French_Basque @ 3.04
3 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.06
4 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.08
5 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.09
6 94.6% Bulgarian + 5.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.11
7 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.15
8 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.16
9 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.18
10 96.5% Bulgarian + 3.5% Sardinian @ 3.2
11 94.5% Bulgarian + 5.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.2
12 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.21
13 94% Bulgarian + 6% Portuguese @ 3.21
14 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% French @ 3.22
15 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% East_German @ 3.22
16 95.6% Bulgarian + 4.4% Southeast_English @ 3.22
17 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% North_Italian @ 3.24
18 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% South_Dutch @ 3.24
19 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Austrian @ 3.24
20 96.1% Bulgarian + 3.9% Southwest_English @ 3.24


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Atlantic 19.73
2 Baltic 18.94
3 East_Med 17.05
4 West_Med 14.63
5 North_Sea 10.25
6 West_Asian 10.05
7 Eastern_Euro 9.34

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5.39
2 Romanian 7.55
3 Greek 10.29
4 Serbian 10.44
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.58
6 Moldavian 13.79
7 Croatian 14.04
8 Austrian 14.36
9 Tuscan 14.63
10 North_Italian 15.25
11 Hungarian 16.13
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.17
13 Central_Greek 16.94
14 West_Sicilian 16.99
15 East_Sicilian 17.94
16 Ashkenazi 17.94
17 East_German 19.67
18 South_Italian 19.72
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.16
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 70.2% Greek + 29.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.47
2 72.5% Greek + 27.5% Belorussian @ 4.61
3 72.6% Greek + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.65
4 75% Greek + 25% Lithuanian @ 4.67
5 71% Greek + 29% Polish @ 4.81
6 59.3% Greek + 40.7% Croatian @ 4.93
7 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% French_Basque @ 4.95
8 68.9% Greek + 31.1% South_Polish @ 5.03
9 92.6% Bulgarian + 7.4% Southwest_French @ 5.1
10 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.15
11 93.9% Bulgarian + 6.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.18
12 93% Bulgarian + 7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.19
13 72% Greek + 28% Southwest_Russian @ 5.19
14 71.5% Greek + 28.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.24
15 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.25
16 96.8% Bulgarian + 3.2% Sardinian @ 5.26
17 95.5% Bulgarian + 4.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.28
18 96.2% Bulgarian + 3.8% Estonian_Polish @ 5.3
19 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.3
20 96.3% Bulgarian + 3.7% Belorussian @ 5.31

My gf, just plain S-E Moldavian, extremely similar (don't plot her anywhere, lel, she is almost point blank on the Romanian average):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.67
2 North_Atlantic 23.23
3 West_Med 18.62
4 East_Med 18.12
5 West_Asian 9.95
6 Siberian 1.41
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 East_Asian 0.36
10 Northeast_African 0.18
11 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.58
2 Bulgarian 4.21
3 Serbian 5.46
4 Moldavian 9.79
5 Croatian 12.53
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.55
7 Hungarian 12.77
8 Austrian 15.83
9 North_Italian 16.85
10 Tuscan 17.37
11 East_German 17.38
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.97
13 Italian_Abruzzo 19.08
14 Central_Greek 19.57
15 South_Polish 19.67
16 Ukrainian 19.99
17 West_German 20.02
18 West_Sicilian 20.27
19 French 20.52
20 East_Sicilian 20.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.7% Bulgarian + 14.3% Ukrainian @ 2.59
2 90.1% Bulgarian + 9.9% Estonian @ 2.63
3 78.9% Bulgarian + 21.1% Croatian @ 2.64
4 89.4% Bulgarian + 10.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.65
5 85.7% Bulgarian + 14.3% South_Polish @ 2.68
6 90.3% Bulgarian + 9.7% Finnish @ 2.73
7 90.6% Bulgarian + 9.4% East_Finnish @ 2.74
8 87.9% Bulgarian + 12.1% Polish @ 2.76
9 74.8% Bulgarian + 25.2% Moldavian @ 2.79
10 85.6% Bulgarian + 14.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.79
11 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.81
12 89% Bulgarian + 11% Estonian_Polish @ 2.81
13 90.8% Bulgarian + 9.2% Lithuanian @ 2.86
14 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Belorussian @ 2.88
15 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Hungarian @ 2.88
16 84.9% Bulgarian + 15.1% East_German @ 2.9
17 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.92
18 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.94
19 61.9% Greek_Thessaly + 38.1% Ukrainian @ 3.01
20 90.3% Bulgarian + 9.7% North_Swedish @ 3.02

[Dick]

How can you be sure? Her original claim was that they were Bosnian Muslims, by the way :lol:

They were anglos from Orc-ney

[CommonSense]

Because Decius wrote that, and he was her boyfriend so I am quite sure he knows her better than anyone.

He knew only what she told him. However, it turned out she barely has Slovak ancestry, if any at all, for example. Also, a while after that comment was made, she claimed to have discovered Greek surnames among her paternal ancestors, while going through the archives.

As you can see, it's hard not to be sceptical, especially when the result is rather atypical for Bosnia.

[vbnetkhio]

Because Decius wrote that, and he was her boyfriend so I am quite sure he knows her better than anyone.

emziepiex3 is UltimatePagan?

[Dick]

He knew only what she told him. However, it turned out she barely has Slovak ancestry, if any at all, for example. Also, a while after that comment was made, she claimed to have discovered Greek surnames among her paternal ancestors, while going through the archives.

As you can see, it's hard not to be sceptical, especially when the result is rather atypical for Bosnia.

She tested her uncle too. Soon she will test all of Belgrade. I think her uncle got like 90% Balkan on MyHeritage and I1 L22 on the predictor. they are Drobnjaci

[Jana]

He knew only what she told him. However, it turned out she barely has Slovak ancestry, if any at all, for example. Also, a while after that comment was made, she claimed to have discovered Greek surnames among her paternal ancestors, while going through the archives.

As you can see, it's hard not to be sceptical, especially when the result is rather atypical for Bosnia.

There are Croats from Dalmatia who cluster with Bulgarians, so...
Bosnia is probably very genetically diverse. Lot of Montenegrin ancestry in BiH. They are from all over, especially muslims but not only them.
Enough to compare Bosniensis and Vlatko Vuković results, both Bosniaks and both very different.

I have lot of Serbian matches on gedmatch who plot with Romanians and Bulgarians, but I am not posting them because other than surnames I don't know their ancestry.

[Jana]

emziepiex3 is UltimatePagan?

Yeah.

[Leto]

Slovenian average based on 15 academic samples plus a custom oracle by @Lemgrant



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.52
2 North_Atlantic 30.62
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 9.96
5 West_Asian 6.83
6 Red_Sea 1.23
7 South_Asian 0.64
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Amerindian 0.48
10 Oceanian 0.29
11 East_Asian 0.28
12 Northeast_African 0.2
13 Sub-Saharan 0.07



k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0 .52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Slovenian" "1.1248"
[2,] "Hungarian" "3.768"
[3,] "Croatian" "4.566"
[4,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "6.1451"
[5,] "Czech" "6.3378"
[6,] "SerbianBosnia" "6.6926"
[7,] "Moldavian" "6.9912"
[8,] "Slovakian1" "7.3225"
[9,] "Austrian" "7.8101"
[10,] "East_German" "7.845"
[11,] "JosephK" "7.8646"
[12,] "Serbian" "9.5774"
[13,] "South_Polish" "10.3029"
[14,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "10.735"
[15,] "Ukrainian" "11.897"
[16,] "Polish" "14.4507"
[17,] "Romanian" "14.4795"
[18,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "15.1244"
[19,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "15.8825"
[20,] "Southwest_Russian" "16.6498"
[21,] "West_German" "16.8038"
[22,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "17.1445"
[23,] "Bulgarian" "17.453"
[24,] "Russian_Smolensk" "17.6887"
[25,] "South_Dutch" "18.1896"
[26,] "Estonian_Polish" "18.2569"
[27,] "North_Macedonian" "18.3285"
[28,] "Belorussian" "18.6702"
[29,] "Southwest_Finnish" "18.7205"
[30,] "North_Swedish" "19.0076"
[31,] "North_German" "19.2578"
[32,] "French" "20.6012"
[33,] "Kargopol_Russian" "20.7778"
[34,] "Swedish" "21.0207"
[35,] "Finnish" "21.8655"
[36,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "22.0855"
[37,] "Estonian" "22.1127"
[38,] "Danish" "22.2121"
[39,] "North_Dutch" "22.559"
[40,] "Tatar" "23.0466"
[41,] "Southeast_English" "23.113"
[42,] "Norwegian" "23.3469"
[43,] "Albanian" "23.5209"
[44,] "Erzya" "23.6972"
[45,] "East_Finnish" "23.7321"
[46,] "Latvian1" "23.7902"
[47,] "Lithuanian" "23.8096"
[48,] "Orcadian" "24.0635"
[49,] "Irish" "25.3048"
[50,] "Southwest_English" "25.371"
[51,] "La_Brana-1" "25.861"
[52,] "North_Italian" "25.8987"
[53,] "Spanish_Galicia" "26.0319"
[54,] "Portuguese" "26.2783"
[55,] "West_Scottish" "26.301"
[56,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "26.5792"
[57,] "Greek_Thessaly" "26.9651"
[58,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "27.5993"
[59,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "28.242"
[60,] "Southwest_French" "28.2428"



k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0 .52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=100,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "6.8% Polish + 93.2% Slovenian" "0.4042"
[2,] "90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% South_Polish" "0.426"
[3,] "4.5% Estonian + 95.5% Slovenian" "0.4358"
[4,] "6.1% Cossack_Kuban2 + 93.9% Slovenian" "0.4616"
[5,] "4.1% Lithuanian + 95.9% Slovenian" "0.4794"
[6,] "4.1% Latvian1 + 95.9% Slovenian" "0.4814"
[7,] "5.3% Russian_Smolensk + 94.7% Slovenian" "0.5191"
[8,] "13.6% Czech + 86.4% Slovenian" "0.534"
[9,] "4.3% Finnish + 95.7% Slovenian" "0.5384"
[10,] "92.3% Slovenian + 7.7% Ukrainian" "0.5388"
[11,] "5% Belorussian + 95% Slovenian" "0.5417"
[12,] "5.1% Estonian_Polish + 94.9% Slovenian" "0.5493"
[13,] "3.9% East_Finnish + 96.1% Slovenian" "0.5777"
[14,] "91.8% Slovenian + 8.2% Ukrainian_Lviv" "0.5803"
[15,] "95.2% Slovenian + 4.8% Southwest_Finnish" "0.6098"
[16,] "4.2% Kargopol_Russian + 95.8% Slovenian" "0.6469"
[17,] "94.8% Slovenian + 5.2% Southwest_Russian" "0.6673"
[18,] "95% Slovenian + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "0.6675"
[19,] "10.8% Slovakian1 + 89.2% Slovenian" "0.7003"
[20,] "28.4% North_Italian + 71.6% South_Polish" "0.7161"
[21,] "5.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 94.6% Slovenian" "0.73"
[22,] "3.4% Erzya + 96.6% Slovenian" "0.7424"
[23,] "1.1% Baltic + 98.9% Slovenian" "0.7757"
[24,] "3% La_Brana-1 + 97% Slovenian" "0.8015"
[25,] "3.4% North_Swedish + 96.6% Slovenian" "0.9005"
[26,] "12.4% Croatian + 87.6% Slovenian" "0.9308"
[27,] "1.5% Chuvash + 98.5% Slovenian" "1.0113"
[28,] "5.3% East_German + 94.7% Slovenian" "1.0378"
[29,] "1.1% Mari + 98.9% Slovenian" "1.0452"
[30,] "98.1% Slovenian + 1.9% Swedish" "1.0453"
[31,] "1.2% Norwegian + 98.8% Slovenian" "1.0869"
[32,] "98.8% Slovenian + 1.2% Tatar" "1.0905"
[33,] "0.9% North_German + 99.1% Slovenian" "1.112"
[34,] "0.7% North_Dutch + 99.3% Slovenian" "1.1128"
[35,] "0.7% Danish + 99.3% Slovenian" "1.1136"
[36,] "1.7% JosephK + 98.3% Slovenian" "1.1171"
[37,] "0.4% Irish + 99.6% Slovenian" "1.12"
[38,] "0.4% Orcadian + 99.6% Slovenian" "1.1208"
[39,] "2.2% Hungarian + 97.8% Slovenian" "1.1219"
[40,] "99.7% Slovenian + 0.3% West_Scottish" "1.1219"
[41,] "0.8% Austrian + 99.2% Slovenian" "1.1231"
[42,] "0% Selkup + 100% Slovenian" "1.1244"

[CommonSense]

There are Croats from Dalmatia who cluster with Bulgarians, so...
Bosnia is probably very genetically diverse. Lot of Montenegrin ancestry in BiH. They are from all over, especially muslims but not only them.
Enough to compare Bosniensis and Vlatko Vuković results, both Bosniaks and both very different.

I have lot of Serbian matches on gedmatch who plot with Romanians and Bulgarians, but I am not posting them because other than surnames I don't know their ancestry.

I'm not saying it's impossible, every region has outlier samples. The issue here is that we have both: a) an 'unreliable narrator' and b) results that are out of the norm
So it doesn't make sense that we rush to conclude that her mom is 'fully Bosnian Serb'.

[Jana]

I'm not saying it's impossible, every region has outlier samples. The issue here is that we have both: a) an 'unreliable narrator' and b) results that are out of the norm
So it doesn't make sense that we rush to conclude that her mom is 'fully Bosnian Serb'.

I know, but on the other hand when Pribislav posts Serbs clustering with Hungarians and Croats he is quick to declare them typical for their region, and very pure :)

[CommonSense]

I know, but on the other hand when Pribislav posts Serbs clustering with Hungarians and Croats he is quick to declare them typical for their region, and very pure :)

You know very well I find those results just as suspicious. I'm referring to the 'batch' that was posted here about 10 days ago.

[Lemgrant]

Slovenian average based on 15 academic samples plus a custom oracle by @Lemgrant



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.52
2 North_Atlantic 30.62
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 9.96
5 West_Asian 6.83
6 Red_Sea 1.23
7 South_Asian 0.64
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Amerindian 0.48
10 Oceanian 0.29
11 East_Asian 0.28
12 Northeast_African 0.2
13 Sub-Saharan 0.07



k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0 .52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Slovenian" "1.1248"
[2,] "Hungarian" "3.768"
[3,] "Croatian" "4.566"
[4,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "6.1451"
[5,] "Czech" "6.3378"
[6,] "SerbianBosnia" "6.6926"
[7,] "Moldavian" "6.9912"
[8,] "Slovakian1" "7.3225"
[9,] "Austrian" "7.8101"
[10,] "East_German" "7.845"
[11,] "JosephK" "7.8646"
[12,] "Serbian" "9.5774"
[13,] "South_Polish" "10.3029"
[14,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "10.735"
[15,] "Ukrainian" "11.897"
[16,] "Polish" "14.4507"
[17,] "Romanian" "14.4795"
[18,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "15.1244"
[19,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "15.8825"
[20,] "Southwest_Russian" "16.6498"
[21,] "West_German" "16.8038"
[22,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "17.1445"
[23,] "Bulgarian" "17.453"
[24,] "Russian_Smolensk" "17.6887"
[25,] "South_Dutch" "18.1896"
[26,] "Estonian_Polish" "18.2569"
[27,] "North_Macedonian" "18.3285"
[28,] "Belorussian" "18.6702"
[29,] "Southwest_Finnish" "18.7205"
[30,] "North_Swedish" "19.0076"
[31,] "North_German" "19.2578"
[32,] "French" "20.6012"
[33,] "Kargopol_Russian" "20.7778"
[34,] "Swedish" "21.0207"
[35,] "Finnish" "21.8655"
[36,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "22.0855"
[37,] "Estonian" "22.1127"
[38,] "Danish" "22.2121"
[39,] "North_Dutch" "22.559"
[40,] "Tatar" "23.0466"
[41,] "Southeast_English" "23.113"
[42,] "Norwegian" "23.3469"
[43,] "Albanian" "23.5209"
[44,] "Erzya" "23.6972"
[45,] "East_Finnish" "23.7321"
[46,] "Latvian1" "23.7902"
[47,] "Lithuanian" "23.8096"
[48,] "Orcadian" "24.0635"
[49,] "Irish" "25.3048"
[50,] "Southwest_English" "25.371"
[51,] "La_Brana-1" "25.861"
[52,] "North_Italian" "25.8987"
[53,] "Spanish_Galicia" "26.0319"
[54,] "Portuguese" "26.2783"
[55,] "West_Scottish" "26.301"
[56,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "26.5792"
[57,] "Greek_Thessaly" "26.9651"
[58,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "27.5993"
[59,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "28.242"
[60,] "Southwest_French" "28.2428"



k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0 .52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=100,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "6.8% Polish + 93.2% Slovenian" "0.4042"
[2,] "90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% South_Polish" "0.426"
[3,] "4.5% Estonian + 95.5% Slovenian" "0.4358"
[4,] "6.1% Cossack_Kuban2 + 93.9% Slovenian" "0.4616"
[5,] "4.1% Lithuanian + 95.9% Slovenian" "0.4794"
[6,] "4.1% Latvian1 + 95.9% Slovenian" "0.4814"
[7,] "5.3% Russian_Smolensk + 94.7% Slovenian" "0.5191"
[8,] "13.6% Czech + 86.4% Slovenian" "0.534"
[9,] "4.3% Finnish + 95.7% Slovenian" "0.5384"
[10,] "92.3% Slovenian + 7.7% Ukrainian" "0.5388"
[11,] "5% Belorussian + 95% Slovenian" "0.5417"
[12,] "5.1% Estonian_Polish + 94.9% Slovenian" "0.5493"
[13,] "3.9% East_Finnish + 96.1% Slovenian" "0.5777"
[14,] "91.8% Slovenian + 8.2% Ukrainian_Lviv" "0.5803"
[15,] "95.2% Slovenian + 4.8% Southwest_Finnish" "0.6098"
[16,] "4.2% Kargopol_Russian + 95.8% Slovenian" "0.6469"
[17,] "94.8% Slovenian + 5.2% Southwest_Russian" "0.6673"
[18,] "95% Slovenian + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "0.6675"
[19,] "10.8% Slovakian1 + 89.2% Slovenian" "0.7003"
[20,] "28.4% North_Italian + 71.6% South_Polish" "0.7161"
[21,] "5.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 94.6% Slovenian" "0.73"
[22,] "3.4% Erzya + 96.6% Slovenian" "0.7424"
[23,] "1.1% Baltic + 98.9% Slovenian" "0.7757"
[24,] "3% La_Brana-1 + 97% Slovenian" "0.8015"
[25,] "3.4% North_Swedish + 96.6% Slovenian" "0.9005"
[26,] "12.4% Croatian + 87.6% Slovenian" "0.9308"
[27,] "1.5% Chuvash + 98.5% Slovenian" "1.0113"
[28,] "5.3% East_German + 94.7% Slovenian" "1.0378"
[29,] "1.1% Mari + 98.9% Slovenian" "1.0452"
[30,] "98.1% Slovenian + 1.9% Swedish" "1.0453"
[31,] "1.2% Norwegian + 98.8% Slovenian" "1.0869"
[32,] "98.8% Slovenian + 1.2% Tatar" "1.0905"
[33,] "0.9% North_German + 99.1% Slovenian" "1.112"
[34,] "0.7% North_Dutch + 99.3% Slovenian" "1.1128"
[35,] "0.7% Danish + 99.3% Slovenian" "1.1136"
[36,] "1.7% JosephK + 98.3% Slovenian" "1.1171"
[37,] "0.4% Irish + 99.6% Slovenian" "1.12"
[38,] "0.4% Orcadian + 99.6% Slovenian" "1.1208"
[39,] "2.2% Hungarian + 97.8% Slovenian" "1.1219"
[40,] "99.7% Slovenian + 0.3% West_Scottish" "1.1219"
[41,] "0.8% Austrian + 99.2% Slovenian" "1.1231"
[42,] "0% Selkup + 100% Slovenian" "1.1244"


if you wanted to see the oracle for the Slovenian reference, then it's done differently. I used 11 Slovenian samples, you 15, that's why it doesn't show 100% Slovenian in the first position.
If you want to see the oracle for average Slovenian, Hungarian, Ukrainian etc. reference, then one must use the exact average values.

this is for example oracle for the average Slovenian reference:


k13(c('Slovenian'),k=100,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Slovenian" "0"
[2,] "31.2% North_Italian + 68.8% South_Polish" "0.9256"
[3,] "24.3% Albanian + 75.7% Czech" "1.24"
[4,] "80.2% Croatian + 19.8% French" "1.2594"
[5,] "41.8% East_German + 58.2% SerbianBosnia" "1.2791"
[6,] "70.6% Czech + 29.4% North_Macedonian" "1.3458"
[7,] "42.8% North_Italian + 57.2% Russian_Smolensk" "1.4778"
[8,] "84.1% Croatian + 15.9% Spanish_Cataluna" "1.5278"
[9,] "78.4% Czech + 21.6% Greek_Thessaly" "1.5472"
[10,] "38.3% North_Italian + 61.7% Polish" "1.6075"
[11,] "71.6% South_Polish + 28.4% Tuscan" "1.6657"
[12,] "85.3% Croatian + 14.7% Spanish_Valencia" "1.7137"
[13,] "86.9% Croatian + 13.1% Spanish_Aragon" "1.7414"
[14,] "84.8% Croatian + 15.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "1.7472"
[15,] "85.5% Croatian + 14.5% Spanish_Murcia" "1.7636"
[16,] "64.7% Polish + 35.3% Tuscan" "1.7894"
[17,] "84.5% Czech + 15.5% South_Italian" "1.7961"
[18,] "17.3% Central_Greek + 82.7% Czech" "1.8138"
[19,] "54.3% Czech + 45.7% Serbian" "1.8164"
[20,] "65.4% Czech + 34.6% Romanian" "1.827"
[21,] "50.1% Lithuanian + 49.9% North_Italian" "1.8425"
[22,] "82.6% Czech + 17.4% West_Sicilian" "1.8642"
[23,] "83.3% Czech + 16.7% East_Sicilian" "1.8822"
[24,] "84.3% Croatian + 15.7% Portuguese" "1.8979"
[25,] "30.1% Bulgarian + 69.9% Czech" "1.8999"
[26,] "86% Croatian + 14% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "1.9148"
[27,] "84.3% Czech + 15.7% Maltese" "1.9208"
[28,] "77.6% Croatian + 22.4% West_German" "1.9608"
[29,] "85.7% Croatian + 14.3% Spanish_Cantabria" "1.9837"
[30,] "13.6% Algerian_Jewish + 86.4% Czech" "2.0006"
[31,] "33.9% North_Italian + 66.1% Ukrainian" "2.0054"
[32,] "79.2% Croatian + 20.8% South_Dutch" "2.0253"
[33,] "79.2% SerbianBosnia + 20.8% Swedish" "2.0605"
[34,] "84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Spanish_Galicia" "2.0651"
[35,] "37.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 62.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.0733"
[36,] "39.1% Spanish_Valencia + 60.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.0983"
[37,] "55.9% Belorussian + 44.1% North_Italian" "2.1091"
[38,] "85.5% Croatian + 14.5% Spanish_Extremadura" "2.1155"
[39,] "86.4% Croatian + 13.6% Spanish_Andalucia" "2.118"
[40,] "85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Southwest_French" "2.1197"
[41,] "86.3% Czech + 13.7% Greek_Symi_Island" "2.1215"
[42,] "22.2% North_Swedish + 77.8% SerbianBosnia" "2.1226"
[43,] "39.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 60.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.1937"
[44,] "44.3% Czech + 55.7% SerbianBosnia" "2.2064"
[45,] "41.4% Portuguese + 58.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.2253"
[46,] "56.5% Estonian_Polish + 43.5% North_Italian" "2.2267"
[47,] "38.9% Spanish_Murcia + 61.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.2451"
[48,] "65.4% Hungarian + 34.6% SerbianBosnia" "2.2452"
[49,] "86.5% Czech + 13.5% Italian_Jewish" "2.2595"
[50,] "82.2% Czech + 17.8% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.2672"
[51,] "80.3% Czech + 19.7% Tuscan" "2.2895"
[52,] "86.5% Czech + 13.5% Greek_Chios1" "2.2929"
[53,] "90.1% Croatian + 9.9% French_Basque" "2.3121"
[54,] "63% Southwest_Russian + 37% Spanish_Andalucia" "2.3216"
[55,] "31.6% North_Italian + 68.4% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.3231"
[56,] "42.4% Austrian + 57.6% SerbianBosnia" "2.3465"
[57,] "37.8% Austrian + 62.2% Croatian" "2.4126"
[58,] "82.4% Czech + 17.6% Greek_Andros_Island1" "2.4312"
[59,] "46.5% Austrian + 53.5% Moldavian" "2.4321"
[60,] "15.8% Ashkenazi + 84.2% Czech" "2.435"
[61,] "86.6% Czech + 13.4% Sephardic_Jewish" "2.4449"
[62,] "61.1% Southwest_Russian + 38.9% Spanish_Extremadura" "2.4463"
[63,] "53.8% Croatian + 46.2% Hungarian_Budapest1" "2.451"
[64,] "86.3% Czech + 13.7% Moroccan_Jew" "2.4593"
[65,] "18.7% Norwegian + 81.3% SerbianBosnia" "2.4667"
[66,] "37.8% Croatian + 62.2% Hungarian" "2.4818"
[67,] "76.1% Slovakian1 + 23.9% North_Italian" "2.4968"
[68,] "83.6% Czech + 16.4% Greek_Crete1" "2.5348"
[69,] "11.7% Cypriot + 88.3% Czech" "2.5402"
[70,] "45% East_German + 55% Moldavian" "2.5797"
[71,] "41.2% North_Italian + 58.8% Southwest_Russian" "2.6184"
[72,] "71.2% Hungarian + 28.8% Moldavian" "2.6387"
[73,] "87.7% Czech + 12.3% Tunisian_Jewish" "2.6496"
[74,] "87.7% Czech + 12.3% Libyan_Jewish" "2.6707"
[75,] "41.9% North_Italian + 58.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.6763"
[76,] "84.1% Croatian + 15.9% Southeast_English" "2.6831"
[77,] "55.4% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 44.6% Moldavian" "2.6895"
[78,] "40.6% Portuguese + 59.4% Southwest_Russian" "2.7083"
[79,] "61.6% Southwest_Russian + 38.4% Spanish_Valencia" "2.7268"
[80,] "61.8% Southwest_Russian + 38.2% Spanish_Murcia" "2.7472"
[81,] "21.6% North_German + 78.4% SerbianBosnia" "2.7587"
[82,] "55.1% Estonian + 44.9% Tuscan" "2.7699"
[83,] "41% Spanish_Cataluna + 59% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.7821"
[84,] "50.1% Latvian1 + 49.9% North_Italian" "2.8134"
[85,] "85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Southwest_English" "2.8377"
[86,] "38% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 62% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.8395"
[87,] "78.5% Moldavian + 21.5% Southeast_English" "2.8401"
[88,] "18.8% North_Dutch + 81.2% SerbianBosnia" "2.8493"
[89,] "85.4% Croatian + 14.6% North_Italian" "2.8768"
[90,] "19% Danish + 81% SerbianBosnia" "2.8779"
[91,] "40% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 60% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.9223"
[92,] "17% Irish + 83% SerbianBosnia" "2.9673"
[93,] "41.5% Spanish_Galicia + 58.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.9982"
[94,] "95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% Sardinian" "3.0092"
[95,] "59.8% Southwest_Russian + 40.2% Spanish_Cataluna" "3.0163"
[96,] "88.3% Czech + 11.7% Greek_Central_Anatolia" "3.03"
[97,] "17.6% Orcadian + 82.4% SerbianBosnia" "3.0418"
[98,] "78.8% Slovakian1 + 21.2% Tuscan" "3.0419"
[99,] "89.8% Czech + 10.2% Samaritan" "3.0524"
[100,] "62.7% Southwest_Russian + 37.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "3.0819"



k13(c('Slovenian'),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Slovenian" "0"
[2,] "Hungarian" "3.6779"
[3,] "Croatian" "5.1016"
[4,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "5.7492"
[5,] "SerbianBosnia" "5.9529"
[6,] "Moldavian" "6.8705"
[7,] "Czech" "7.3052"
[8,] "Austrian" "7.791"
[9,] "Slovakian1" "8.1692"
[10,] "East_German" "8.2099"
[11,] "Serbian" "8.5929"
[12,] "South_Polish" "11.3351"
[13,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "11.6828"
[14,] "Ukrainian" "12.8722"
[15,] "Romanian" "13.4972"
[16,] "Polish" "15.4948"
[17,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "15.9625"
[18,] "West_German" "16.4596"
[19,] "Bulgarian" "16.5108"
[20,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "16.9016"
[21,] "North_Macedonian" "17.2981"
[22,] "Southwest_Russian" "17.542"
[23,] "South_Dutch" "17.91"
[24,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "18.0369"
[25,] "Russian_Smolensk" "18.6789"
[26,] "Estonian_Polish" "19.2302"
[27,] "North_German" "19.3947"
[28,] "Belorussian" "19.6481"
[29,] "Southwest_Finnish" "19.6558"
[30,] "North_Swedish" "19.6604"
[31,] "French" "20.0036"
[32,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "21.2404"
[33,] "Swedish" "21.4102"
[34,] "Kargopol_Russian" "21.6879"
[35,] "Danish" "22.3428"
[36,] "Albanian" "22.4797"
[37,] "North_Dutch" "22.6952"
[38,] "Finnish" "22.8465"
[39,] "Southeast_English" "23.052"
[40,] "Estonian" "23.1453"
[41,] "Tatar" "23.2966"
[42,] "Norwegian" "23.6113"
[43,] "Orcadian" "24.1322"
[44,] "Erzya" "24.5306"
[45,] "East_Finnish" "24.6902"
[46,] "Latvian1" "24.8019"
[47,] "Lithuanian" "24.8223"
[48,] "North_Italian" "24.8868"
[49,] "Spanish_Galicia" "25.2717"
[50,] "Southwest_English" "25.3397"
[51,] "Irish" "25.3841"
[52,] "Portuguese" "25.4678"
[53,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "25.832"
[54,] "Greek_Thessaly" "25.9361"
[55,] "West_Scottish" "26.3576"
[56,] "La_Brana-1" "26.6378"
[57,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "26.856"
[58,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "27.4175"
[59,] "Southwest_French" "27.6561"
[60,] "Spanish_Valencia" "27.9494"

[Seya]

i don't think "outliers" should be excluded. we still have very few samples to exclude any. if we would have at least 1 million tested people then it would make sense but we barely have...how may? probably a few hundreds at max..probably less. we need all the samples to be able to have a realistic view of the genetic make-up of a country...maybe with time other similar results will come but we have nothing to compare them with cose we cut them off already and those people will always end up as outliners.
an ethnicity is always chaging, today it's not the same as hundreds of years ago due to migrations and mixing. an ethnicity is in a countinuous change..we don't live in tribes anymore, we're not all blood related. we're related by other stuff today, like culture/religion, history and language. we need to find the current genetic composition of each ethnic group.

[Jana]

^^^^Based on this average Slovenes are like Czechs with one Albanian grandparent, or like Croats with 20% French :D

[Seya]

..or most moldovians are serbians in disguise :D

[Jana]

i don't think "outliers" should be excluded. we still have very few samples to exclude any. if we would have at least 1 million tested people then it would make sense but we barely have...how may? probably a few hundreds at max..probably less. we need all the samples to be able to have a realistic view of the genetic make-up of a country...maybe with time other similar results will come but we have nothing to compare them with cose we cut them off already and those people will always end up as outliners.
an ethnicity is always chaging, today it's not the same as hundreds of years ago due to migrations and mixing. an ethnicity is in a countinuous change..we don't live in tribes anymore, we're not all blood related. we're related by other stuff today, like culture/religion, history and language. we need to find the current genetic composition of each ethnic group.

Agree. Very well said. For example I doubt modern Croats were identical to Croats living just 100 years ago. That can work for many other ethnicities.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

i don't think "outliers" should be excluded. we still have very few samples to exclude any. if we would have at least 1 million tested people then it would make sense but we barely have...how may? probably a few hundreds at max..probably less. we need all the samples to be able to have a realistic view of the genetic make-up of a country...maybe with time other similar results will come but we have nothing to compare them with cose we cut them off already and those people will always end up as outliners.
an ethnicity is always chaging, today it's not the same as hundreds of years ago due to migrations and mixing. an ethnicity is in a countinuous change..we don't live in tribes anymore, we're not all blood related. we're related by other stuff today, like culture/religion, history and language. we need to find the current genetic composition of each ethnic group.

Sorry your west med is higher than average I'd like to push Romanian to more Baltic, you just don't cut it.

[Leto]

if you wanted to see the oracle for the Slovenian reference, then it's done differently. I used 11 Slovenian samples, you 15, that's why it doesn't show 100% Slovenian in the first position.
If you want to see the oracle for average Slovenian, Hungarian, Ukrainian etc. reference, then one must use the exact average values.

this is for example oracle for the average Slovenian reference:

Thanks. I just didn't know you had a SI average to begin with. Can you share the oracle for Czechs?

[Jana]

..or most moldovians are serbians in disguise :D

It's interesting, Romanians/Moldovans who like Serbs very much are close to them too, just like Hungarians and Croats are, who are also in friendly relations :P

[Dick]

My father can look like a Czech with a Syrian migrant grandparent on some. He’s real future European :)


Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.1% Czech (derived) + 17.9% Druze (derived) @ 1.68
2 81.5% Czech (derived) + 18.5% Lebanese (derived) @ 1.78
3 82.7% Czech (derived) + 17.3% Jew_Georgia (derived) @ 1.86
4 81.8% Czech (derived) + 18.2% Syrian (derived) @ 1.9

[Seya]

Sorry your west med is higher than average I'd like to push Romanian to more Baltic, you just don't cut it.

nah that's you..i'm pulling it eastwards. so stop standing in my way

[Pribislav]

Or southern Serb. But she is fully Bosnian Serb.

I think she mentioned origin of her mother from Čačak, or I confuse something...

[Leto]

Agree. Very well said. For example I doubt modern Croats were identical to Croats living just 100 years ago. That can work for many other ethnicities.
Why? Most ethnic groups used to be a lot smaller than today because until recently the birth rates were generally high, so if there were 1 million people in 1800, in 1950 there would have been 3 million or more. Africa had like 200 million in 1950 and 1.1 billion in 2020 simply because of the growth rate. Small countries tend to have a limited gene pool, many Muslim countries are very inbred for example.

[Jana]

Why? Most ethnic groups were a lot smaller than today because until recently the birth rates were generally high, so if there were 1 million people in 1800, in 1950 there would have been 3 million or more. Africa had like 200 million in 1950 and 1.1 in 2020 simply because of the growth rate. Small countries tend to have a limited gene pool, many Muslim countries are very inbred for example.

Believe it or not our population didn't grow much in last century :(
My perception is based on idea we were in Austro-Hungarian Empire and mixing mostly with other Central Europeans, while in Yugoslavia we mixed with other Balkan people including BiH Croats, who are now very present in Croatia itself and 100 years ago it was not the case. I doubt we changed much, but I believe it's logical to expect we became bit more Balkan shifted.

Same applies to Slovenians.

While reverse happened in Serbia, they became bit more central European shifted since large influx of Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia. Now we are closer than we were, I'd say.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

nah that's you..i'm pulling it eastwards. so stop standing in my way

I am clearly pulling to Serbs you should be thankful smh

[WeirdLookingFellow]

It's interesting, Romanians/Moldovans who like Serbs very much are close to them too, just like Hungarians and Croats are, who are also in friendly relations :P

I like my Balkan brothers and Slavs Serbs just happen to be both

[Lemgrant]

Thanks. I just didn't know you had a SI average to begin with. Can you share the oracle for Czechs?
Czech reference

k13(c('Czech'),k=150,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Czech" "0"
[2,] "62% Austrian + 38% Estonian_Polish" "0.7194"
[3,] "67% East_German + 33% Southwest_Russian" "0.8094"
[4,] "20.4% French + 79.6% South_Polish" "0.8725"
[5,] "47.2% East_German + 52.8% South_Polish" "1.0602"
[6,] "40.6% Austrian + 59.4% South_Polish" "1.0979"
[7,] "75.2% South_Polish + 24.8% West_German" "1.1043"
[8,] "35.1% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 64.9% East_German" "1.1086"
[9,] "23.8% South_Dutch + 76.2% South_Polish" "1.1281"
[10,] "62.1% Austrian + 37.9% Belorussian" "1.2135"
[11,] "61% Austrian + 39% Russian_Smolensk" "1.2511"
[12,] "52.9% Austrian + 47.1% Polish" "1.3579"
[13,] "68.1% East_German + 31.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "1.4166"
[14,] "67.1% Ukrainian + 32.9% West_German" "1.4528"
[15,] "57.3% East_German + 42.7% Ukrainian" "1.4973"
[16,] "65.4% Croatian + 34.6% North_Swedish" "1.506"
[17,] "31.6% South_Dutch + 68.4% Ukrainian" "1.5188"
[18,] "36.7% French + 63.3% Russian_Smolensk" "1.5485"
[19,] "69% Austrian + 31% Lithuanian" "1.5682"
[20,] "41.5% South_Dutch + 58.5% Southwest_Russian" "1.594"
[21,] "61% Austrian + 39% Southwest_Russian" "1.6285"
[22,] "58.6% Austrian + 41.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "1.6652"
[23,] "50.5% Austrian + 49.5% Ukrainian" "1.679"
[24,] "68.5% East_German + 31.5% Estonian_Polish" "1.6792"
[25,] "37.1% East_German + 62.9% Slovakian1" "1.6833"
[26,] "84.1% South_Polish + 15.9% Spanish_Cataluna" "1.7554"
[27,] "67.5% East_German + 32.5% Russian_Smolensk" "1.7806"
[28,] "86.3% South_Polish + 13.7% Spanish_Aragon" "1.7898"
[29,] "84.6% South_Polish + 15.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "1.8127"
[30,] "64% Slovenian + 36% Southwest_Finnish" "1.8449"
[31,] "31.3% Belorussian + 68.7% East_German" "1.8452"
[32,] "55.9% Estonian_Polish + 44.1% West_German" "1.8843"
[33,] "55.4% East_German + 44.6% Ukrainian_Lviv" "1.897"
[34,] "85.3% South_Polish + 14.7% Spanish_Murcia" "1.9191"
[35,] "29.3% French + 70.7% Polish" "1.9307"
[36,] "85.6% South_Polish + 14.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "1.9344"
[37,] "68.9% Austrian + 31.1% Latvian1" "1.9355"
[38,] "57.1% Southwest_Russian + 42.9% West_German" "1.9579"
[39,] "85.1% South_Polish + 14.9% Spanish_Cantabria" "1.9836"
[40,] "26.4% Southeast_English + 73.6% Ukrainian_Lviv" "1.9949"
[41,] "57.1% Russian_Smolensk + 42.9% West_German" "2.0068"
[42,] "62.3% Estonian_Polish + 37.7% French" "2.0195"
[43,] "85.3% South_Polish + 14.7% Spanish_Valencia" "2.0206"
[44,] "15.7% Portuguese + 84.3% South_Polish" "2.0279"
[45,] "84.2% South_Polish + 15.8% Spanish_Galicia" "2.0679"
[46,] "28.1% Southeast_English + 71.9% Ukrainian" "2.0705"
[47,] "36.6% French + 63.4% Southwest_Russian" "2.1099"
[48,] "60.1% East_German + 39.9% Polish" "2.1104"
[49,] "76.7% East_German + 23.3% Erzya" "2.1117"
[50,] "27.6% Estonian + 72.4% Hungarian" "2.1156"
[51,] "85.3% South_Polish + 14.7% Spanish_Extremadura" "2.13"
[52,] "59.6% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 40.4% West_German" "2.1746"
[53,] "79.8% South_Polish + 20.2% Southeast_English" "2.1875"
[54,] "61% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 39% South_Dutch" "2.1891"
[55,] "84.9% South_Polish + 15.1% Southwest_French" "2.1893"
[56,] "13.1% Irish + 86.9% Slovakian1" "2.2162"
[57,] "62.2% Austrian + 37.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.2189"
[58,] "62.2% Belorussian + 37.8% French" "2.2251"
[59,] "65.1% Polish + 34.9% West_German" "2.2335"
[60,] "86.2% South_Polish + 13.8% Spanish_Andalucia" "2.2407"
[61,] "11.2% French_Basque + 88.8% South_Polish" "2.2437"
[62,] "60.3% Hungarian + 39.7% Polish" "2.2714"
[63,] "87.4% Slovakian1 + 12.6% Southwest_English" "2.2792"
[64,] "42.3% South_Dutch + 57.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.3067"
[65,] "75.1% Hungarian + 24.9% Latvian1" "2.307"
[66,] "86.5% Slovakian1 + 13.5% Orcadian" "2.3082"
[67,] "87.6% Slovakian1 + 12.4% West_Scottish" "2.3139"
[68,] "83.3% Slovakian1 + 16.7% North_German" "2.3745"
[69,] "81.6% South_Polish + 18.4% Southwest_English" "2.3857"
[70,] "37.4% French + 62.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.3912"
[71,] "29.4% South_Dutch + 70.6% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4003"
[72,] "85.7% Slovakian1 + 14.3% North_Dutch" "2.4158"
[73,] "28.9% Austrian + 71.1% Slovakian1" "2.4159"
[74,] "67.1% Austrian + 32.9% Kargopol_Russian" "2.4173"
[75,] "69.4% Russian_Smolensk + 30.6% Spanish_Cataluna" "2.4174"
[76,] "76.2% Polish + 23.8% Spanish_Cataluna" "2.4374"
[77,] "69.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.6% West_German" "2.4437"
[78,] "85.8% Slovakian1 + 14.2% Norwegian" "2.4451"
[79,] "14.5% Danish + 85.5% Slovakian1" "2.4617"
[80,] "48.3% Austrian + 51.7% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4732"
[81,] "83.8% Slovakian1 + 16.2% Swedish" "2.4862"
[82,] "86.9% Slovakian1 + 13.1% Southeast_English" "2.5042"
[83,] "73.3% East_German + 26.7% Kargopol_Russian" "2.5067"
[84,] "25.9% Southwest_English + 74.1% Ukrainian" "2.525"
[85,] "58.6% Russian_Smolensk + 41.4% South_Dutch" "2.5303"
[86,] "57.6% Austrian + 42.4% Cossack_Kuban2" "2.5324"
[87,] "57.4% Estonian_Polish + 42.6% South_Dutch" "2.5567"
[88,] "77.7% Polish + 22.3% Spanish_Murcia" "2.5583"
[89,] "33.2% North_German + 66.8% Ukrainian" "2.5598"
[90,] "85.1% Slovakian1 + 14.9% South_Dutch" "2.5613"
[91,] "26.9% French + 73.1% Ukrainian" "2.5854"
[92,] "75.5% East_German + 24.5% Lithuanian" "2.6032"
[93,] "75.7% Hungarian + 24.3% Lithuanian" "2.6204"
[94,] "24.2% Southwest_English + 75.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.6223"
[95,] "28% Danish + 72% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.6365"
[96,] "46.9% Hungarian + 53.1% South_Polish" "2.66"
[97,] "31.2% North_German + 68.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.6737"
[98,] "56.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.7% West_German" "2.679"
[99,] "39.8% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 60.2% South_Polish" "2.6843"
[100,] "71.5% Austrian + 28.5% Erzya" "2.6873"
[101,] "77.7% Polish + 22.3% Spanish_Valencia" "2.6956"
[102,] "35.1% Cossack_Kuban2 + 64.9% East_German" "2.6978"
[103,] "25.7% Orcadian + 74.3% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.7075"
[104,] "53.6% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 46.4% Polish" "2.7116"
[105,] "84.8% Slovakian1 + 15.2% West_German" "2.7182"
[106,] "6.7% French_Basque + 93.3% Slovakian1" "2.7187"
[107,] "29.7% Finnish + 70.3% Slovenian" "2.7268"
[108,] "27.5% North_Dutch + 72.5% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.746"
[109,] "19.3% Orcadian + 80.7% South_Polish" "2.7542"
[110,] "76.4% Polish + 23.6% Portuguese" "2.7574"
[111,] "66.7% Polish + 33.3% South_Dutch" "2.7628"
[112,] "68.4% Belorussian + 31.6% Spanish_Cataluna" "2.7642"
[113,] "55.9% Belorussian + 44.1% West_German" "2.7703"
[114,] "29.2% Estonian + 70.8% Slovenian" "2.7736"
[115,] "66.6% Austrian + 33.4% Estonian" "2.7977"
[116,] "45.2% French + 54.8% Lithuanian" "2.8195"
[117,] "23.7% North_German + 76.3% South_Polish" "2.8253"
[118,] "77% Polish + 23% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "2.8361"
[119,] "27.4% Orcadian + 72.6% Ukrainian" "2.8418"
[120,] "78.8% Polish + 21.2% Spanish_Andalucia" "2.8518"
[121,] "29.7% Danish + 70.3% Ukrainian" "2.8591"
[122,] "82.3% South_Polish + 17.7% West_Scottish" "2.8661"
[123,] "71.3% Russian_Smolensk + 28.7% Spanish_Murcia" "2.8727"
[124,] "29.2% North_Dutch + 70.8% Ukrainian" "2.8758"
[125,] "71.4% Croatian + 28.6% Swedish" "2.8857"
[126,] "76.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.8% West_Scottish" "2.8949"
[127,] "77.7% Polish + 22.3% Spanish_Extremadura" "2.9011"
[128,] "18.3% Irish + 81.7% South_Polish" "2.9104"
[129,] "74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% West_Scottish" "2.932"
[130,] "75.7% East_German + 24.3% Latvian1" "2.9328"
[131,] "71.2% Russian_Smolensk + 28.8% Spanish_Valencia" "2.9463"
[132,] "78.3% Polish + 21.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "2.9513"
[133,] "65.6% Estonian + 34.4% North_Italian" "2.9739"
[134,] "70.3% Russian_Smolensk + 29.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "2.9748"
[135,] "20.4% North_Dutch + 79.6% South_Polish" "2.976"
[136,] "67.6% Hungarian + 32.4% Southwest_Finnish" "2.9928"
[137,] "20.7% Danish + 79.3% South_Polish" "2.9939"
[138,] "29.9% Belorussian + 70.1% Hungarian" "3.0082"
[139,] "26.3% Irish + 73.7% Ukrainian" "3.0122"
[140,] "24.5% Irish + 75.5% Ukrainian_Lviv" "3.0193"
[141,] "73.2% Russian_Smolensk + 26.8% Spanish_Aragon" "3.0341"
[142,] "82.8% Slovakian1 + 17.2% North_Swedish" "3.0558"
[143,] "79.5% Polish + 20.5% Spanish_Aragon" "3.068"
[144,] "26.9% Finnish + 73.1% Hungarian" "3.0697"
[145,] "10.9% French + 89.1% Slovakian1" "3.0727"
[146,] "71.9% Russian_Smolensk + 28.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "3.0905"
[147,] "67.2% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 32.8% Southwest_English" "3.0946"
[148,] "71.4% Belorussian + 28.6% Spanish_Andalucia" "3.1073"
[149,] "29.8% Estonian_Polish + 70.2% Hungarian" "3.1093"
[150,] "69.1% Hungarian + 30.9% Russian_Smolensk" "3.1147"


k13(c('Czech'),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Czech" "0"
[2,] "Slovakian1" "4.1636"
[3,] "South_Polish" "5.9806"
[4,] "Hungarian" "6.6293"
[5,] "East_German" "6.6624"
[6,] "Slovenian" "7.3052"
[7,] "Croatian" "7.4816"
[8,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "8.1573"
[9,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "8.5295"
[10,] "Austrian" "8.6787"
[11,] "Ukrainian" "8.843"
[12,] "Polish" "9.7339"
[13,] "Moldavian" "11.3951"
[14,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "11.5592"
[15,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "12.1896"
[16,] "SerbianBosnia" "12.493"
[17,] "Southwest_Finnish" "12.7218"
[18,] "Southwest_Russian" "13.4413"
[19,] "Russian_Smolensk" "13.478"
[20,] "North_Swedish" "13.9507"
[21,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "13.9595"
[22,] "Estonian_Polish" "14.1067"
[23,] "Belorussian" "14.1548"
[24,] "Serbian" "15.4746"
[25,] "Finnish" "16.299"
[26,] "Estonian" "16.6202"
[27,] "Kargopol_Russian" "17.1607"
[28,] "North_German" "17.1861"
[29,] "Swedish" "17.4649"
[30,] "West_German" "17.8192"
[31,] "East_Finnish" "18.7849"
[32,] "Latvian1" "18.8446"
[33,] "South_Dutch" "18.8838"
[34,] "Lithuanian" "19.1056"
[35,] "Danish" "20.0036"
[36,] "North_Dutch" "20.4384"
[37,] "Romanian" "20.4461"
[38,] "Norwegian" "20.4477"
[39,] "La_Brana-1" "20.8398"
[40,] "Erzya" "20.8732"
[41,] "Southeast_English" "22.1463"
[42,] "Orcadian" "22.3608"
[43,] "French" "23.1241"
[44,] "Tatar" "23.2841"
[45,] "Bulgarian" "23.455"
[46,] "Irish" "23.5329"
[47,] "Southwest_English" "24.3729"
[48,] "North_Macedonian" "24.4259"
[49,] "West_Scottish" "24.5852"
[50,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "27.4833"
[51,] "Albanian" "29.6447"
[52,] "Spanish_Galicia" "29.9073"
[53,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "30.2037"
[54,] "Portuguese" "30.3255"
[55,] "Chuvash" "30.3557"
[56,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "31.2772"
[57,] "North_Italian" "31.3113"
[58,] "Southwest_French" "31.4184"
[59,] "Spanish_Cantabria" "32.2696"
[60,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "32.4218"
###########################################

Hungarian reference


k13(c('Hungarian'),k=140,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Hungarian" "0"
[2,] "83.5% Czech + 16.5% Italian_Abruzzo" "1.6147"
[3,] "83.8% Czech + 16.2% Greek_Andros_Island1" "1.8641"
[4,] "35.4% North_Swedish + 64.6% Serbian" "2.0493"
[5,] "87.7% Czech + 12.3% Sephardic_Jewish" "2.0531"
[6,] "84.5% Czech + 15.5% West_Sicilian" "2.0602"
[7,] "87.6% Czech + 12.4% Greek_Symi_Island" "2.064"
[8,] "49.3% Bulgarian + 50.7% North_Swedish" "2.1024"
[9,] "86.2% Czech + 13.8% South_Italian" "2.1259"
[10,] "85% Czech + 15% Greek_Crete1" "2.1569"
[11,] "87.6% Czech + 12.4% Moroccan_Jew" "2.1647"
[12,] "82.2% Czech + 17.8% Tuscan" "2.1811"
[13,] "87.8% Czech + 12.2% Italian_Jewish" "2.2446"
[14,] "69.8% SerbianBosnia + 30.2% Swedish" "2.2657"
[15,] "15.1% Central_Greek + 84.9% Czech" "2.3447"
[16,] "85.3% Czech + 14.7% East_Sicilian" "2.348"
[17,] "14.5% North_German + 85.5% Slovenian" "2.3598"
[18,] "67.8% Croatian + 32.2% West_German" "2.3617"
[19,] "88.8% Czech + 11.2% Tunisian_Jewish" "2.3854"
[20,] "45.6% North_Swedish + 54.4% Romanian" "2.4578"
[21,] "60.2% Czech + 39.8% Serbian" "2.4588"
[22,] "66% Serbian + 34% Southwest_Finnish" "2.4757"
[23,] "20.7% Albanian + 79.3% Czech" "2.4782"
[24,] "12.1% Danish + 87.9% Slovenian" "2.4953"
[25,] "88.9% Czech + 11.1% Libyan_Jewish" "2.5013"
[26,] "86.3% Czech + 13.7% Maltese" "2.5229"
[27,] "11.3% Norwegian + 88.7% Slovenian" "2.5305"
[28,] "87.6% Slovenian + 12.4% Swedish" "2.5348"
[29,] "74.9% Czech + 25.1% North_Macedonian" "2.548"
[30,] "11.6% North_Dutch + 88.4% Slovenian" "2.5725"
[31,] "70.1% Czech + 29.9% Romanian" "2.5869"
[32,] "11.8% Algerian_Jewish + 88.2% Czech" "2.5956"
[33,] "30.3% Danish + 69.7% Moldavian" "2.6014"
[34,] "14% Ashkenazi + 86% Czech" "2.603"
[35,] "61.5% Austrian + 38.5% Moldavian" "2.6414"
[36,] "81.6% Czech + 18.4% Greek_Thessaly" "2.6524"
[37,] "49.7% North_Macedonian + 50.3% Southwest_Finnish" "2.6713"
[38,] "12.8% North_Swedish + 87.2% Slovenian" "2.6745"
[39,] "88.2% Czech + 11.8% Greek_Chios1" "2.677"
[40,] "43.5% Albanian + 56.5% Southwest_Finnish" "2.68"
[41,] "32.1% Austrian + 67.9% Slovenian" "2.6995"
[42,] "27.6% Norwegian + 72.4% SerbianBosnia" "2.7072"
[43,] "66.1% Moldavian + 33.9% North_German" "2.7119"
[44,] "31.8% North_Swedish + 68.2% SerbianBosnia" "2.7136"
[45,] "70.5% Croatian + 29.5% South_Dutch" "2.7256"
[46,] "9.7% Irish + 90.3% Slovenian" "2.7307"
[47,] "90.7% Slovenian + 9.3% West_Scottish" "2.7309"
[48,] "55.7% Austrian + 44.3% Croatian" "2.7364"
[49,] "70.3% Moldavian + 29.7% North_Dutch" "2.7395"
[50,] "10.1% Orcadian + 89.9% Slovenian" "2.747"
[51,] "10.3% Cypriot + 89.7% Czech" "2.7485"
[52,] "55.8% Romanian + 44.2% Southwest_Finnish" "2.7587"
[53,] "32.5% North_German + 67.5% SerbianBosnia" "2.7614"
[54,] "89.4% Czech + 10.6% Greek_Central_Anatolia" "2.7669"
[55,] "90% Czech + 10% Lebanese_Muslim" "2.8071"
[56,] "90.7% Czech + 9.3% Lebanese_Druze" "2.8276"
[57,] "40.9% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 59.1% Slovenian" "2.8293"
[58,] "90% Slovenian + 10% Southeast_English" "2.8633"
[59,] "71.3% Moldavian + 28.7% Norwegian" "2.8809"
[60,] "86.2% Slovenian + 13.8% West_German" "2.8889"
[61,] "35.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 64.3% Southwest_Finnish" "2.9164"
[62,] "91% Czech + 9% Lebanese_Christian" "2.9519"
[63,] "71.2% Moldavian + 28.8% Southeast_English" "2.954"
[64,] "81.1% Czech + 18.9% North_Italian" "2.9693"
[65,] "91.5% Slovenian + 8.5% Southwest_English" "2.9761"
[66,] "88.1% Czech + 11.9% Turk_Central_West" "2.9786"
[67,] "26.2% East_German + 73.8% Slovenian" "2.9845"
[68,] "90.1% Czech + 9.9% Syrian" "2.988"
[69,] "56.5% East_German + 43.5% SerbianBosnia" "3.0041"
[70,] "90.9% Czech + 9.1% Samaritan" "3.0048"
[71,] "76.1% Croatian + 23.9% Southeast_English" "3.0064"
[72,] "88.2% Slovenian + 11.8% South_Dutch" "3.0075"
[73,] "90.6% Czech + 9.4% Palestinian" "3.0467"
[74,] "25.1% Bulgarian + 74.9% Czech" "3.0566"
[75,] "60.3% East_German + 39.7% Serbian" "3.059"
[76,] "33% Croatian + 67% Hungarian_Budapest1" "3.063"
[77,] "72.1% Moldavian + 27.9% Orcadian" "3.0659"
[78,] "60.7% Austrian + 39.3% SerbianBosnia" "3.1041"
[79,] "91.1% Czech + 8.9% Kurdish_Jewish" "3.1121"
[80,] "90.5% Czech + 9.5% Jordanian" "3.1181"
[81,] "89.2% Czech + 10.8% Turkish" "3.1198"
[82,] "28.6% Danish + 71.4% SerbianBosnia" "3.1399"
[83,] "9.2% Armenian_Eastern_Anatolia + 90.8% Czech" "3.1493"
[84,] "78.4% East_German + 21.6% Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "3.1574"
[85,] "91.1% Czech + 8.9% Iranian_Jewish" "3.1614"
[86,] "34.1% Central_Greek + 65.9% Southwest_Finnish" "3.1617"
[87,] "73% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 27% Moldavian" "3.172"
[88,] "9.1% Assyrian + 90.9% Czech" "3.178"
[89,] "89% Czech + 11% Turk_Central_East" "3.1813"
[90,] "78.8% Czech + 21.2% Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "3.1872"
[91,] "74.1% Moldavian + 25.9% West_Scottish" "3.1951"
[92,] "31.4% South_Italian + 68.6% Southwest_Finnish" "3.2161"
[93,] "72% Croatian + 28% North_German" "3.2349"
[94,] "87.9% Czech + 12.1% Turk_South_West" "3.2393"
[95,] "69.2% Moldavian + 30.8% Swedish" "3.2502"
[96,] "28% North_Dutch + 72% SerbianBosnia" "3.2504"
[97,] "88.7% Czech + 11.3% Turk_South" "3.2743"
[98,] "91.5% Slovenian + 8.5% Southwest_Finnish" "3.2761"
[99,] "6.2% La_Brana-1 + 93.8% Slovenian" "3.2861"
[100,] "91% Czech + 9% Greek_Pontus" "3.2915"
[101,] "39.2% Spanish_Murcia + 60.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "3.2933"
[102,] "8.9% Armenian + 91.1% Czech" "3.2975"
[103,] "58.4% East_German + 41.6% Moldavian" "3.3047"
[104,] "75.4% Croatian + 24.6% Danish" "3.3098"
[105,] "49% French + 51% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "3.3173"
[106,] "89.9% Czech + 10.1% Turk_South_East" "3.325"
[107,] "21.5% Czech + 78.5% Slovenian" "3.3258"
[108,] "26.6% Irish + 73.4% Moldavian" "3.3391"
[109,] "89.5% Czech + 10.5% Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "3.3487"
[110,] "40.1% Greek_Thessaly + 59.9% Southwest_Finnish" "3.353"
[111,] "77.3% Croatian + 22.7% Orcadian" "3.3634"
[112,] "87.6% Czech + 12.4% Turk_North_West" "3.3638"
[113,] "5.6% Chechen + 94.4% Hungarian_Budapest1" "3.3666"
[114,] "35.4% Greek_Andros_Island1 + 64.6% Southwest_Finnish" "3.3795"
[115,] "90.1% Czech + 9.9% Turk_East" "3.3824"
[116,] "79% Croatian + 21% West_Scottish" "3.3844"
[117,] "94.4% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 5.6% Tabassaran" "3.3892"
[118,] "33.2% Czech + 66.8% Hungarian_Budapest1" "3.3944"
[119,] "75.9% Croatian + 24.1% North_Dutch" "3.3978"
[120,] "48.4% French + 51.6% Southwest_Russian" "3.4122"
[121,] "25% Bulgarian + 75% East_German" "3.4171"
[122,] "78.6% Croatian + 21.4% Southwest_English" "3.4217"
[123,] "94.6% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 5.4% Kabardin" "3.4219"
[124,] "94.6% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 5.4% Lezgin" "3.4356"
[125,] "91.1% Czech + 8.9% Georgian_Jewish" "3.4425"
[126,] "81.2% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 18.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "3.4429"
[127,] "95% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 5% North_Ossetian" "3.4443"
[128,] "6.4% French + 93.6% Slovenian" "3.4457"
[129,] "5.4% Finnish + 94.6% Slovenian" "3.4629"
[130,] "91.2% Czech + 8.8% Turk_East_Black_Sea" "3.4635"
[131,] "71% East_German + 29% Romanian" "3.472"
[132,] "41.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 58.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "3.4963"
[133,] "48.3% North_Macedonian + 51.7% North_Swedish" "3.5187"
[134,] "78.5% Croatian + 21.5% Irish" "3.5203"
[135,] "95.3% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 4.7% Ossetian" "3.5344"
[136,] "5% Balkar + 95% Hungarian_Budapest1" "3.5397"
[137,] "9% Bedouin + 91% Czech" "3.5424"
[138,] "4.8% Adygei + 95.2% Hungarian_Budapest1" "3.5427"
[139,] "98.1% Slovenian + 1.9% Tabassaran" "3.5576"
[140,] "30% North_Italian + 70% South_Polish" "3.5631"



k13(c('Hungarian'),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Hungarian" "0"
[2,] "Slovenian" "3.6779"
[3,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "4.4226"
[4,] "Austrian" "5.9416"
[5,] "Czech" "6.6293"
[6,] "East_German" "6.7555"
[7,] "Croatian" "7.1716"
[8,] "Slovakian1" "8.1052"
[9,] "SerbianBosnia" "8.4264"
[10,] "Moldavian" "8.9058"
[11,] "Serbian" "9.6371"
[12,] "South_Polish" "11.4288"
[13,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "12.4623"
[14,] "Ukrainian" "13.6786"
[15,] "West_German" "14.4745"
[16,] "Romanian" "14.5738"
[17,] "Polish" "15.6933"
[18,] "South_Dutch" "16.0767"
[19,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "16.5906"
[20,] "North_German" "16.7408"
[21,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "16.9619"
[22,] "North_Swedish" "17.3431"
[23,] "Bulgarian" "17.8362"
[24,] "Southwest_Russian" "17.9068"
[25,] "Southwest_Finnish" "18.2801"
[26,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "18.3156"
[27,] "North_Macedonian" "18.4823"
[28,] "Swedish" "18.9159"
[29,] "Russian_Smolensk" "18.9653"
[30,] "French" "19.0319"
[31,] "Estonian_Polish" "19.6147"
[32,] "Belorussian" "19.739"
[33,] "Danish" "19.7987"
[34,] "North_Dutch" "20.2309"
[35,] "Southeast_English" "20.9403"
[36,] "Norwegian" "21.0946"
[37,] "Orcadian" "21.8599"
[38,] "Kargopol_Russian" "21.8707"
[39,] "Finnish" "21.8831"
[40,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "21.9036"
[41,] "Estonian" "22.7677"
[42,] "Tatar" "22.925"
[43,] "Irish" "23.0823"
[44,] "Southwest_English" "23.3689"
[45,] "Albanian" "23.6263"
[46,] "West_Scottish" "24.0495"
[47,] "East_Finnish" "24.1332"
[48,] "Erzya" "24.9116"
[49,] "Latvian1" "24.9178"
[50,] "Lithuanian" "25.0145"
[51,] "La_Brana-1" "25.201"
[52,] "Spanish_Galicia" "25.5001"
[53,] "North_Italian" "25.5572"
[54,] "Portuguese" "25.5716"
[55,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "25.7624"
[56,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "26.8562"
[57,] "Greek_Thessaly" "27.084"
[58,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "27.611"
[59,] "Southwest_French" "28.0141"
[60,] "Spanish_Valencia" "28.1249"

Ukrainian reference:


k13(c('Ukrainian'),k=150,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Ukrainian" "0"
[2,] "49.2% Latvian1 + 50.8% Moldavian" "1.6691"
[3,] "9.7% French_Basque + 90.3% Southwest_Russian" "1.7015"
[4,] "58% Croatian + 42% Lithuanian" "1.7084"
[5,] "12.4% Southwest_French + 87.6% Southwest_Russian" "1.8265"
[6,] "43.2% Croatian + 56.8% Estonian_Polish" "1.9554"
[7,] "59% Croatian + 41% Latvian1" "1.9635"
[8,] "21.7% Estonian_Polish + 78.3% Ukrainian_Lviv" "1.9872"
[9,] "12.6% Latvian1 + 87.4% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.01"
[10,] "18.8% Belorussian + 81.2% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.0508"
[11,] "26.8% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 73.2% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.0589"
[12,] "88.1% Southwest_Russian + 11.9% Spanish_Cantabria" "2.0985"
[13,] "12.3% Lithuanian + 87.7% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.1104"
[14,] "50.2% Lithuanian + 49.8% Moldavian" "2.1286"
[15,] "40.9% Croatian + 59.1% Russian_Smolensk" "2.1474"
[16,] "29.2% Polish + 70.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.1635"
[17,] "12% Estonian + 88% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.1783"
[18,] "23.2% Southwest_Russian + 76.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.2047"
[19,] "20.8% Russian_Smolensk + 79.2% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.2071"
[20,] "65% Estonian_Polish + 35% Moldavian" "2.2558"
[21,] "90.9% Russian_Smolensk + 9.1% Sardinian" "2.2629"
[22,] "89.1% Southwest_Russian + 10.9% Spanish_Aragon" "2.2705"
[23,] "13.7% Southwest_French + 86.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.362"
[24,] "24.1% Moldavian + 75.9% Polish" "2.3769"
[25,] "88.7% Southwest_Russian + 11.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "2.3782"
[26,] "67.7% Russian_Smolensk + 32.3% Slovenian" "2.3865"
[27,] "32.2% South_Polish + 67.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4022"
[28,] "13.9% North_Italian + 86.1% Russian_Smolensk" "2.4115"
[29,] "8.3% East_Finnish + 91.7% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4142"
[30,] "17% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 83% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4246"
[31,] "8.5% Finnish + 91.5% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4272"
[32,] "17.3% Erzya + 82.7% South_Polish" "2.4418"
[33,] "65.7% Estonian_Polish + 34.3% Slovenian" "2.4472"
[34,] "10.9% Kargopol_Russian + 89.1% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.4537"
[35,] "87.9% Southwest_Russian + 12.1% Spanish_Cataluna" "2.4944"
[36,] "72.1% Russian_Smolensk + 27.9% SerbianBosnia" "2.5013"
[37,] "89% Southwest_Russian + 11% Spanish_Andalucia" "2.5068"
[38,] "88.5% Southwest_Russian + 11.5% Spanish_Valencia" "2.5077"
[39,] "87.7% Southwest_Russian + 12.3% Spanish_Galicia" "2.5126"
[40,] "88.6% Polish + 11.4% Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "2.5154"
[41,] "32.7% Moldavian + 67.3% Russian_Smolensk" "2.5165"
[42,] "35.8% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 64.2% South_Polish" "2.5285"
[43,] "7% Erzya + 93% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.551"
[44,] "10.5% French_Basque + 89.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.551"
[45,] "88.2% Southwest_Russian + 11.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "2.5513"
[46,] "50.8% Estonian + 49.2% Moldavian" "2.5557"
[47,] "53.4% Belorussian + 46.6% Croatian" "2.5615"
[48,] "66.8% South_Polish + 33.2% Southwest_Russian" "2.5655"
[49,] "6.2% Southwest_Finnish + 93.8% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.5753"
[50,] "50.8% Lithuanian + 49.2% Slovenian" "2.5848"
[51,] "61.8% Lithuanian + 38.2% Serbian" "2.5856"
[52,] "4% La_Brana-1 + 96% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.5896"
[53,] "55.8% Lithuanian + 44.2% SerbianBosnia" "2.5924"
[54,] "66.3% Lithuanian + 33.7% Romanian" "2.6091"
[55,] "92.7% Polish + 7.3% Turk_North_West" "2.6135"
[56,] "12.5% Bulgarian + 87.5% Polish" "2.6311"
[57,] "10.3% Cossack_Kuban2 + 89.7% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.6429"
[58,] "69.8% Lithuanian + 30.2% North_Macedonian" "2.6474"
[59,] "6.5% Greek_Chios1 + 93.5% Polish" "2.6579"
[60,] "13.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 86.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "2.6605"
[61,] "61.9% Belorussian + 38.1% Moldavian" "2.6634"
[62,] "88.6% Southwest_Russian + 11.4% Spanish_Extremadura" "2.6686"
[63,] "29.9% Croatian + 70.1% Polish" "2.6715"
[64,] "26.7% Albanian + 73.3% Lithuanian" "2.6731"
[65,] "20.2% Kargopol_Russian + 79.8% South_Polish" "2.6739"
[66,] "93.1% Polish + 6.9% Turk_South_West" "2.6889"
[67,] "88.8% Southwest_Russian + 11.2% Spanish_Murcia" "2.6924"
[68,] "87.3% Russian_Smolensk + 12.7% Tuscan" "2.7002"
[69,] "5.7% Cypriot + 94.3% Polish" "2.7155"
[70,] "57.8% Croatian + 42.2% Estonian" "2.716"
[71,] "11.9% Portuguese + 88.1% Southwest_Russian" "2.7161"
[72,] "5.9% Greek_Central_Anatolia + 94.1% Polish" "2.7177"
[73,] "2% Slovakian1 + 98% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.7232"
[74,] "76.9% Lithuanian + 23.1% Tuscan" "2.7241"
[75,] "0.4% North_Swedish + 99.6% Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.7258"
[76,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.7268"


k13(c('Ukrainian'),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Ukrainian" "0"
[2,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "2.7268"
[3,] "South_Polish" "3.6227"
[4,] "Polish" "4.5765"
[5,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "5.2938"
[6,] "Southwest_Russian" "5.7596"
[7,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "6.4"
[8,] "Russian_Smolensk" "6.485"
[9,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "6.5586"
[10,] "Estonian_Polish" "7.0323"
[11,] "Slovakian1" "7.3321"
[12,] "Belorussian" "8.0355"
[13,] "Czech" "8.843"
[14,] "Croatian" "9.1053"
[15,] "Kargopol_Russian" "10.0281"
[16,] "Estonian" "12.2043"
[17,] "Lithuanian" "12.4829"
[18,] "Moldavian" "12.5769"
[19,] "Slovenian" "12.8722"
[20,] "Latvian1" "12.9619"
[21,] "Erzya" "13.0532"
[22,] "Finnish" "13.5337"
[23,] "Hungarian" "13.6786"
[24,] "Southwest_Finnish" "13.823"
[25,] "East_Finnish" "14.278"
[26,] "East_German" "15.2074"
[27,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "15.5361"
[28,] "SerbianBosnia" "15.6306"
[29,] "Austrian" "17.1969"
[30,] "North_Swedish" "19.6801"
[31,] "Serbian" "19.8901"
[32,] "La_Brana-1" "20.531"
[33,] "Tatar" "21.0104"
[34,] "Romanian" "24.1951"
[35,] "Swedish" "24.8088"
[36,] "North_German" "25.4588"
[37,] "Chuvash" "25.5133"
[38,] "Bulgarian" "26.4311"
[39,] "West_German" "26.4827"
[40,] "South_Dutch" "27.5342"
[41,] "Norwegian" "28.1402"
[42,] "Danish" "28.1663"
[43,] "North_Macedonian" "28.3377"
[44,] "North_Dutch" "28.5975"
[45,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "29.797"
[46,] "Orcadian" "30.5535"
[47,] "Southeast_English" "30.6465"
[48,] "French" "31.4358"
[49,] "Mari" "31.5099"
[50,] "Irish" "31.6536"
[51,] "Southwest_English" "32.7167"
[52,] "West_Scottish" "32.7526"
[53,] "Albanian" "33.6291"
[54,] "Greek_Thessaly" "36.4503"
[55,] "Spanish_Galicia" "37.1778"
[56,] "North_Italian" "37.5208"
[57,] "Portuguese" "37.6742"
[58,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "37.827"
[59,] "Southwest_French" "38.619"
[60,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "38.8062"

Kargopol_Russian


k13(c('Kargopol_Russian'),k=140,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kargopol_Russian" "0"
[2,] "75.6% Erzya + 24.4% Southwest_Finnish" "1.9335"
[3,] "83.2% Erzya + 16.8% North_Swedish" "2.1792"
[4,] "86.6% Erzya + 13.4% Swedish" "2.4368"
[5,] "67.8% Lithuanian + 32.2% Tatar" "2.5022"
[6,] "88.9% Erzya + 11.1% Orcadian" "2.5151"
[7,] "88% Erzya + 12% Norwegian" "2.5176"
[8,] "89.4% Erzya + 10.6% West_Scottish" "2.5381"
[9,] "89.6% Erzya + 10.4% Southwest_English" "2.5773"
[10,] "89.2% Erzya + 10.8% Irish" "2.5849"
[11,] "69.5% Erzya + 30.5% Finnish" "2.6098"
[12,] "11.7% Danish + 88.3% Erzya" "2.6275"
[13,] "88.5% Erzya + 11.5% North_Dutch" "2.6503"
[14,] "89.2% Erzya + 10.8% Southeast_English" "2.6564"
[15,] "85.8% Lithuanian + 14.2% Shors" "2.6802"
[16,] "39.2% Cossack_Kuban2 + 60.8% Erzya" "2.6912"
[17,] "22.4% Mari + 77.6% Russian_Smolensk" "2.717"
[18,] "67.7% Erzya + 32.3% Estonian" "2.8006"
[19,] "78.5% Estonian_Polish + 21.5% Mari" "2.8438"
[20,] "87.8% Erzya + 12.2% North_German" "2.8536"
[21,] "26.4% Chuvash + 73.6% Estonian_Polish" "2.8973"
[22,] "65.2% Latvian1 + 34.8% Tatar" "2.9654"
[23,] "13.3% Hakas + 86.7% Lithuanian" "2.996"
[24,] "35.7% East_Finnish + 64.3% Erzya" "3.0084"
[25,] "93.2% Erzya + 6.8% French_Basque" "3.0323"
[26,] "69.1% Erzya + 30.9% Polish" "3.1051"
[27,] "89.3% Erzya + 10.7% South_Dutch" "3.1447"
[28,] "15.3% East_German + 84.7% Erzya" "3.1543"
[29,] "12.2% Ket + 87.8% Lithuanian" "3.1899"
[30,] "26.9% Chuvash + 73.1% Russian_Smolensk" "3.2021"
[31,] "9.7% Koryak + 90.3% Lithuanian" "3.2105"
[32,] "31.8% Chuvash + 68.2% Lithuanian" "3.2476"
[33,] "19.3% Czech + 80.7% Erzya" "3.3037"
[34,] "89.4% Erzya + 10.6% West_German" "3.318"
[35,] "9.9% Chukchi + 90.1% Lithuanian" "3.3399"
[36,] "11.8% Altaian + 88.2% Lithuanian" "3.3412"
[37,] "90.9% Lithuanian + 9.1% Yakut" "3.4539"
[38,] "87.9% Lithuanian + 12.1% Selkup" "3.4558"
[39,] "74.9% Erzya + 25.1% South_Polish" "3.4647"
[40,] "92.2% Erzya + 7.8% Southwest_French" "3.4653"
[41,] "91% Erzya + 9% French" "3.4726"
[42,] "13.4% Austrian + 86.6% Erzya" "3.4948"
[43,] "74% Lithuanian + 26% Mari" "3.5014"
[44,] "9.3% Dolgan + 90.7% Lithuanian" "3.5077"
[45,] "62.4% Erzya + 37.6% Estonian_Polish" "3.5078"
[46,] "8.6% Evens + 91.4% Lithuanian" "3.5134"
[47,] "14.9% Afghan_Turkmen + 85.1% Lithuanian" "3.5142"
[48,] "34.6% Chuvash + 65.4% Latvian1" "3.5269"
[49,] "92.6% Erzya + 7.4% Spanish_Cantabria" "3.5683"
[50,] "8.7% Evenki + 91.3% Lithuanian" "3.5731"
[51,] "93.1% Erzya + 6.9% Spanish_Aragon" "3.5817"
[52,] "70.8% Belorussian + 29.2% Chuvash" "3.5912"
[53,] "76.2% Belorussian + 23.8% Mari" "3.6089"
[54,] "89.5% Lithuanian + 10.5% Tuvinian" "3.6124"
[55,] "90.4% Russian_Smolensk + 9.6% Selkup" "3.6242"
[56,] "64% Erzya + 36% Russian_Smolensk" "3.6486"
[57,] "32.9% Belorussian + 67.1% Erzya" "3.6489"
[58,] "71.5% Erzya + 28.5% Ukrainian" "3.6573"
[59,] "80.7% Erzya + 19.3% Slovakian1" "3.6827"
[60,] "84.5% Erzya + 15.5% La_Brana-1" "3.6913"
[61,] "92.6% Erzya + 7.4% Spanish_Cataluna" "3.6952"
[62,] "9.8% Buryat + 90.2% Lithuanian" "3.7047"
[63,] "92.7% Erzya + 7.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "3.7093"
[64,] "13.3% Kazakh + 86.7% Lithuanian" "3.7345"
[65,] "93.1% Erzya + 6.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "3.7355"
[66,] "12.3% Kirgiz + 87.7% Lithuanian" "3.7669"
[67,] "9.5% Ket + 90.5% Russian_Smolensk" "3.7672"
[68,] "92.6% Erzya + 7.4% Spanish_Galicia" "3.7699"
[69,] "16.6% Afghan_Turkmen + 83.4% Latvian1" "3.782"
[70,] "93.1% Erzya + 6.9% Spanish_Valencia" "3.7852"
[71,] "86.7% Erzya + 13.3% Hungarian_Budapest1" "3.7993"
[72,] "91% Estonian_Polish + 9% Selkup" "3.8101"
[73,] "74.3% Erzya + 25.7% Ukrainian_Lviv" "3.824"
[74,] "93.2% Erzya + 6.8% Spanish_Murcia" "3.8282"
[75,] "92.8% Erzya + 7.2% Portuguese" "3.8556"
[76,] "31.8% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 68.2% Erzya" "3.888"
[77,] "73.7% Erzya + 26.3% Latvian1" "3.9008"
[78,] "91% Estonian_Polish + 9% Ket" "3.913"
[79,] "93.3% Erzya + 6.7% Spanish_Extremadura" "3.9223"
[80,] "93.5% Erzya + 6.5% Spanish_Andalucia" "3.9239"
[81,] "91.3% Lithuanian + 8.7% Oroqen" "3.9343"
[82,] "86.3% Erzya + 13.7% Hungarian" "3.9519"
[83,] "85.9% Lithuanian + 14.1% Uzbeki" "3.9775"
[84,] "86.8% Erzya + 13.2% Slovenian" "4.0911"
[85,] "89.6% Lithuanian + 10.4% Mongolian" "4.123"
[86,] "84.2% Latvian1 + 15.8% Uzbeki" "4.2084"
[87,] "12.8% Hazara + 87.2% Lithuanian" "4.2137"
[88,] "72.9% Erzya + 27.1% Lithuanian" "4.2162"
[89,] "84.8% Latvian1 + 15.2% Shors" "4.2176"
[90,] "65.3% Erzya + 34.7% Southwest_Russian" "4.225"
[91,] "71.8% Latvian1 + 28.2% Mari" "4.2801"
[92,] "31.9% Chuvash + 68.1% Estonian" "4.2936"
[93,] "26.7% Mari + 73.3% Polish" "4.3357"
[94,] "14.2% Croatian + 85.8% Erzya" "4.363"
[95,] "90.2% Estonian_Polish + 9.8% Shors" "4.3686"
[96,] "14.2% Hakas + 85.8% Latvian1" "4.4149"
[97,] "32.4% Chuvash + 67.6% Polish" "4.4223"
[98,] "90.8% Estonian_Polish + 9.2% Hakas" "4.4556"
[99,] "94.4% Erzya + 5.6% North_Italian" "4.4686"
[100,] "6.8% Dolgan + 93.2% Russian_Smolensk" "4.4705"
[101,] "14.3% Hazara + 85.7% Latvian1" "4.4723"
[102,] "6.4% Dolgan + 93.6% Estonian_Polish" "4.5127"
[103,] "12.9% Afghan_Hazara + 87.1% Lithuanian" "4.5266"
[104,] "72.5% Erzya + 27.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "4.5709"
[105,] "6.3% Evenki + 93.7% Russian_Smolensk" "4.5859"
[106,] "88.9% Lithuanian + 11.1% West_Greenlander" "4.591"
[107,] "6.2% Evens + 93.8% Russian_Smolensk" "4.5937"
[108,] "9.5% East_Greenlander + 90.5% Lithuanian" "4.5968"
[109,] "94.1% Estonian_Polish + 5.9% Evenki" "4.605"
[110,] "6.9% Koryak + 93.1% Russian_Smolensk" "4.6101"
[111,] "93.5% Estonian_Polish + 6.5% Koryak" "4.6141"
[112,] "94.2% Estonian_Polish + 5.8% Evens" "4.6159"
[113,] "90.9% Erzya + 9.1% SerbianBosnia" "4.6422"
[114,] "89.9% Belorussian + 10.1% Selkup" "4.646"
[115,] "49% East_Finnish + 51% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "4.6702"
[116,] "44.3% East_Finnish + 55.7% Southwest_Russian" "4.6914"
[117,] "93.9% Estonian_Polish + 6.1% Yakut" "4.6972"
[118,] "86.5% Lithuanian + 13.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.7072"
[119,] "96.8% Erzya + 3.2% Sardinian" "4.7089"
[120,] "92.5% Erzya + 7.5% Serbian" "4.7108"
[121,] "89.9% Belorussian + 10.1% Ket" "4.7142"
[122,] "6.6% Chukchi + 93.4% Estonian_Polish" "4.7251"
[123,] "90% Erzya + 10% Moldavian" "4.7329"
[124,] "7% Chukchi + 93% Russian_Smolensk" "4.7377"
[125,] "76.8% Estonian_Polish + 23.2% Tatar" "4.7427"
[126,] "93.6% Russian_Smolensk + 6.4% Yakut" "4.7525"
[127,] "90.1% Russian_Smolensk + 9.9% Shors" "4.7714"
[128,] "95.9% Erzya + 4.1% Tuscan" "4.7867"
[129,] "18% Mari + 82% Southwest_Russian" "4.798"
[130,] "14.5% Afghan_Hazara + 85.5% Latvian1" "4.8141"
[131,] "84.7% Latvian1 + 15.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.8159"
[132,] "9.2% Hakas + 90.8% Russian_Smolensk" "4.8294"
[133,] "7.8% Altaian + 92.2% Estonian_Polish" "4.8326"
[134,] "87.1% Lithuanian + 12.9% Uygur" "4.8722"
[135,] "93% Estonian_Polish + 7% Tuvinian" "4.8842"
[136,] "14.3% Kazakh + 85.7% Latvian1" "4.9112"
[137,] "94.8% Erzya + 5.2% Romanian" "4.9195"
[138,] "68.8% Estonian + 31.2% Tatar" "4.9277"
[139,] "12.5% Altaian + 87.5% Latvian1" "4.9286"
[140,] "95.6% Erzya + 4.4% North_Macedonian" "4.9476"



k13(c('Kargopol_Russian'),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kargopol_Russian" "0"
[2,] "Erzya" "5.2138"
[3,] "Southwest_Russian" "7.1436"
[4,] "Estonian_Polish" "7.293"
[5,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "7.4387"
[6,] "Russian_Smolensk" "7.5667"
[7,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "8.0352"
[8,] "East_Finnish" "8.2458"
[9,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "8.4102"
[10,] "Belorussian" "8.4346"
[11,] "Lithuanian" "9.2802"
[12,] "Estonian" "9.644"
[13,] "Polish" "9.8629"
[14,] "Ukrainian" "10.0281"
[15,] "Latvian1" "10.4418"
[16,] "Finnish" "10.6256"
[17,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "10.9127"
[18,] "South_Polish" "12.1091"
[19,] "Southwest_Finnish" "15.1237"
[20,] "Slovakian1" "15.8204"
[21,] "Czech" "17.1607"
[22,] "Croatian" "17.8543"
[23,] "Chuvash" "18.8932"
[24,] "Tatar" "18.9602"
[25,] "Moldavian" "20.1644"
[26,] "La_Brana-1" "20.3554"
[27,] "Slovenian" "21.6879"
[28,] "Hungarian" "21.8707"
[29,] "East_German" "23.1495"
[30,] "North_Swedish" "23.5102"
[31,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "23.5315"
[32,] "SerbianBosnia" "24.0571"
[33,] "Mari" "24.6498"
[34,] "Austrian" "25.3248"
[35,] "Serbian" "27.9265"
[36,] "Swedish" "29.9626"
[37,] "North_German" "31.622"
[38,] "Romanian" "31.8105"
[39,] "Norwegian" "33.5419"
[40,] "Bulgarian" "33.8467"
[41,] "West_German" "33.935"
[42,] "Danish" "34.0628"
[43,] "North_Dutch" "34.5761"
[44,] "South_Dutch" "34.8273"
[45,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "35.6545"
[46,] "North_Macedonian" "36.0688"
[47,] "Orcadian" "36.5035"
[48,] "Southeast_English" "37.2546"
[49,] "Irish" "37.5492"
[50,] "West_Scottish" "38.5897"
[51,] "Southwest_English" "39.1277"
[52,] "French" "39.251"
[53,] "Albanian" "41.2764"
[54,] "Greek_Thessaly" "43.6133"
[55,] "MA-1" "44.6033"
[56,] "Spanish_Galicia" "45.0784"
[57,] "Portuguese" "45.6717"
[58,] "North_Italian" "45.7308"
[59,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "45.9229"
[60,] "Southwest_French" "46.4861"

Erzya


k13(c('Erzya'),k=150,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Erzya" "0"
[2,] "39.1% Chuvash + 60.9% Lithuanian" "3.8336"
[3,] "13% Chuvash + 87% Kargopol_Russian" "4.6022"
[4,] "69% Lithuanian + 31% Mari" "4.8517"
[5,] "92.3% Kargopol_Russian + 7.7% Mari" "4.8553"
[6,] "35.5% Chuvash + 64.5% Estonian_Polish" "4.8984"
[7,] "35.8% Chuvash + 64.2% Russian_Smolensk" "4.9019"
[8,] "97.4% Kargopol_Russian + 2.6% North_Ossetian" "4.9638"
[9,] "2.2% Abhkasian + 97.8% Kargopol_Russian" "4.9665"
[10,] "2.6% Adygei + 97.4% Kargopol_Russian" "4.9723"
[11,] "2.7% Kabardin + 97.3% Kargopol_Russian" "4.9821"
[12,] "97.3% Kargopol_Russian + 2.7% Lezgin" "4.9864"
[13,] "2.6% Chechen + 97.4% Kargopol_Russian" "4.9968"
[14,] "2.1% Georgian + 97.9% Kargopol_Russian" "4.9995"
[15,] "97.4% Kargopol_Russian + 2.6% Kumyk" "5.0072"
[16,] "2.4% Balkar + 97.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.011"
[17,] "98.1% Kargopol_Russian + 1.9% Turk_Ahiska" "5.0258"
[18,] "2.2% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 97.8% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0271"
[19,] "98.2% Kargopol_Russian + 1.8% Laz" "5.0395"
[20,] "1.9% Georgian_Jewish + 98.1% Kargopol_Russian" "5.04"
[21,] "2% Iranian + 98% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0404"
[22,] "97.9% Kargopol_Russian + 2.1% Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey" "5.0427"
[23,] "97.7% Kargopol_Russian + 2.3% Tabassaran" "5.0501"
[24,] "98.1% Kargopol_Russian + 1.9% Kurdish" "5.0598"
[25,] "98% Kargopol_Russian + 2% Ossetian" "5.0636"
[26,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turk_East_Black_Sea" "5.0643"
[27,] "1.9% Azerbaijani_Iran + 98.1% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0742"
[28,] "1.7% Greek_Pontus + 98.3% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0751"
[29,] "1.6% Assyrian + 98.4% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0813"
[30,] "1.6% Armenian + 98.4% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0898"
[31,] "98.5% Kargopol_Russian + 1.5% Kurdish_Jewish" "5.0922"
[32,] "1.6% Armenian_Eastern_Anatolia + 98.4% Kargopol_Russian" "5.0934"
[33,] "97.7% Kargopol_Russian + 2.3% Nogay" "5.0935"
[34,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turk_East" "5.0945"
[35,] "1.5% Iranian_Jewish + 98.5% Kargopol_Russian" "5.095"
[36,] "98.1% Kargopol_Russian + 1.9% Turkmen_Turkmenistan" "5.0958"
[37,] "97.5% Kargopol_Russian + 2.5% MA-1" "5.0962"
[38,] "1.7% Azeri + 98.3% Kargopol_Russian" "5.098"
[39,] "98.6% Kargopol_Russian + 1.4% Makrani" "5.1025"
[40,] "1.4% Brahui + 98.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1037"
[41,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turk_South_East" "5.1047"
[42,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turk_Azerbaijani" "5.1047"
[43,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "5.1108"
[44,] "1.4% Balochi + 98.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1109"
[45,] "98.4% Kargopol_Russian + 1.6% Selkup" "5.1117"
[46,] "24.9% Mari + 75.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "5.1196"
[47,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turkmen" "5.1237"
[48,] "1.7% Afghan_Tadjik + 98.3% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1264"
[49,] "98.4% Kargopol_Russian + 1.6% Turk_Central_East" "5.1268"
[50,] "42.6% Chuvash + 57.4% Latvian1" "5.1296"
[51,] "98.2% Kargopol_Russian + 1.8% Uzbeki" "5.1331"
[52,] "1.9% Afghan_Turkmen + 98.1% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1343"
[53,] "98.3% Kargopol_Russian + 1.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.1378"
[54,] "98.5% Kargopol_Russian + 1.5% Turk_South" "5.1402"
[55,] "98.6% Kargopol_Russian + 1.4% Ket" "5.1428"
[56,] "1.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 98.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1446"
[57,] "98.9% Kargopol_Russian + 1.1% Lebanese_Christian" "5.1458"
[58,] "98.6% Kargopol_Russian + 1.4% Turkish" "5.1464"
[59,] "1.3% Kalash + 98.7% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1482"
[60,] "1.4% Hakas + 98.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1487"
[61,] "1.4% Hazara + 98.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.149"
[62,] "95.7% Kargopol_Russian + 4.3% Tatar" "5.1497"
[63,] "98.5% Kargopol_Russian + 1.5% Turk_South_West" "5.1518"
[64,] "98.5% Kargopol_Russian + 1.5% Turk_North_West" "5.1522"
[65,] "98.9% Kargopol_Russian + 1.1% Lebanese_Druze" "5.1539"
[66,] "98.8% Kargopol_Russian + 1.2% Pathan" "5.1581"
[67,] "1.1% Burusho + 98.9% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1594"
[68,] "99% Kargopol_Russian + 1% Samaritan" "5.1622"
[69,] "1% Jordanian + 99% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1633"
[70,] "99.1% Kargopol_Russian + 0.9% Saudi" "5.1646"
[71,] "98.7% Kargopol_Russian + 1.3% Tadjik" "5.1646"
[72,] "1.1% Greek_Central_Anatolia + 98.9% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1648"
[73,] "99% Kargopol_Russian + 1% Lebanese_Muslim" "5.1654"
[74,] "99.1% Kargopol_Russian + 0.9% Yemenite_Jewish" "5.1663"
[75,] "98.8% Kargopol_Russian + 1.2% Turk_Central_West" "5.1667"
[76,] "99% Kargopol_Russian + 1% Syrian" "5.1667"
[77,] "1% Bedouin + 99% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1689"
[78,] "98.7% Kargopol_Russian + 1.3% Shors" "5.1691"
[79,] "99.1% Kargopol_Russian + 0.9% Palestinian" "5.1751"
[80,] "0.8% Cypriot + 99.2% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1834"
[81,] "1% Afghan_Hazara + 99% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1836"
[82,] "99% Kargopol_Russian + 1% Uygur" "5.184"
[83,] "93.3% Kargopol_Russian + 6.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod" "5.186"
[84,] "99.1% Kargopol_Russian + 0.9% Kazakh" "5.1916"
[85,] "0.7% Altaian + 99.3% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1917"
[86,] "99.4% Kargopol_Russian + 0.6% Sindhi" "5.1924"
[87,] "99.3% Kargopol_Russian + 0.7% Kirgiz" "5.1943"
[88,] "0.5% Buryat + 99.5% Kargopol_Russian" "5.1963"
[89,] "99.4% Kargopol_Russian + 0.6% Tuvinian" "5.1976"
[90,] "99.5% Kargopol_Russian + 0.5% Mongolian" "5.2"
[91,] "0.6% Greek_Chios1 + 99.4% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2001"
[92,] "0.4% Dolgan + 99.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2003"
[93,] "0.4% Evenki + 99.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2014"
[94,] "0.5% Egyptian + 99.5% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2021"
[95,] "99.5% Kargopol_Russian + 0.5% Punjabi_Jat" "5.2031"
[96,] "99.6% Kargopol_Russian + 0.4% Yakut" "5.2032"
[97,] "0.4% Evens + 99.6% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2037"
[98,] "99.7% Kargopol_Russian + 0.3% Oroqen" "5.2061"
[99,] "99.7% Kargopol_Russian + 0.3% Koryak" "5.2064"
[100,] "99.6% Kargopol_Russian + 0.4% West_Greenlander" "5.2081"
[101,] "99.7% Kargopol_Russian + 0.3% Xibo" "5.2085"
[102,] "0.3% Hezhen + 99.7% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2093"
[103,] "0.3% Chukchi + 99.7% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2094"
[104,] "99.8% Kargopol_Russian + 0.2% Tu" "5.2101"
[105,] "0.2% Japanese + 99.8% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2106"
[106,] "99.9% Kargopol_Russian + 0.1% Tujia" "5.2119"
[107,] "99.8% Kargopol_Russian + 0.2% Naxi" "5.212"
[108,] "99.9% Kargopol_Russian + 0.1% She" "5.212"
[109,] "99.9% Kargopol_Russian + 0.1% Yizu" "5.2121"
[110,] "99.9% Kargopol_Russian + 0.1% Miaozu" "5.2123"
[111,] "99.9% Kargopol_Russian + 0.1% Vietnamese" "5.2129"
[112,] "0.1% Dai + 99.9% Kargopol_Russian" "5.213"
[113,] "99.9% Kargopol_Russian + 0.1% Lahu" "5.2132"
[114,] "0.1% East_Greenlander + 99.9% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2134"
[115,] "0.1% Ethiopian_Tigray + 99.9% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2136"
[116,] "0% Ethiopian_Amhara + 100% Kargopol_Russian" "5.2136"
[117,] "99.5% Kargopol_Russian + 0.5% Southwest_Russian" "5.2137"
[118,] "Kargopol_Russian" "5.2138"


k13(c('Erzya'),k=60)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Erzya" "0"
[2,] "Kargopol_Russian" "5.2138"
[3,] "Southwest_Russian" "8.8151"
[4,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "9.1164"
[5,] "Estonian_Polish" "10.2513"
[6,] "Russian_Smolensk" "10.3533"
[7,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "10.9312"
[8,] "Belorussian" "11.3286"
[9,] "Lithuanian" "11.3344"
[10,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "11.4003"
[11,] "East_Finnish" "11.9358"
[12,] "Ukrainian" "13.0532"
[13,] "Latvian1" "13.1452"
[14,] "Polish" "13.5498"
[15,] "Estonian" "13.6262"
[16,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "13.7649"
[17,] "Finnish" "14.8137"
[18,] "South_Polish" "15.4989"
[19,] "Chuvash" "17.0749"
[20,] "Tatar" "18.862"
[21,] "Slovakian1" "19.0765"
[22,] "Southwest_Finnish" "19.8416"
[23,] "Croatian" "20.1674"
[24,] "Czech" "20.8732"
[25,] "Moldavian" "21.7881"
[26,] "Mari" "23.2623"
[27,] "La_Brana-1" "23.7"
[28,] "Slovenian" "24.5306"
[29,] "Hungarian" "24.9116"
[30,] "SerbianBosnia" "25.9785"
[31,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "26.7933"
[32,] "East_German" "27.085"
[33,] "North_Swedish" "28.1456"
[34,] "Austrian" "28.9516"
[35,] "Serbian" "29.7606"
[36,] "Romanian" "33.1547"
[37,] "Swedish" "34.4726"
[38,] "Bulgarian" "34.7712"
[39,] "North_German" "35.8565"
[40,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey" "36.0407"
[41,] "North_Macedonian" "37.3727"
[42,] "West_German" "37.7941"
[43,] "Norwegian" "38.013"
[44,] "Danish" "38.4646"
[45,] "South_Dutch" "38.8437"
[46,] "North_Dutch" "38.9643"
[47,] "Orcadian" "40.9838"
[48,] "Southeast_English" "41.6461"
[49,] "Irish" "41.988"
[50,] "Albanian" "42.4609"
[51,] "French" "42.9861"
[52,] "West_Scottish" "43.0605"
[53,] "Southwest_English" "43.5749"
[54,] "MA-1" "43.7998"
[55,] "Greek_Thessaly" "44.4342"
[56,] "Nogay" "47.8253"
[57,] "North_Italian" "48.1981"
[58,] "Afghan_Turkmen" "48.3667"
[59,] "Spanish_Galicia" "48.522"
[60,] "Romani" "48.6692"

[Jana]

Hungarians are like Czechs with extra Med influence, that's exactly how I described phenotypes of their volleyball team lol :) Nice to see genetics says the same.
This is good estimate for Czechs:

"67.1% Ukrainian + 32.9% West_German" "1.4528"

[Leto]

I thought Slovaks should be closer to Czechs. As for the Russian one, there is no Central Russian reference which would be belween SW Russia and Kargopol.

[Seya]

I am clearly pulling to Serbs you should be thankful smh

u're actually pulling more towards N. Italians. look at the green dot. that's a north italian. he's a member here:
https://i.imgur.com/zbbm6En.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

u're actually pulling more towards N. Italians. look at the green dot. that's a north italian. he's a member here:
https://i.imgur.com/zbbm6En.png

I welcome my n italian brother to Balkanhood.

[Jana]

Could be brothers! Which region is that N. Italian from, Veneto or Friuli?

[Jana]

I thought Slovaks should be closer to Czechs. As for the Russian one, there is no Central Russian reference which would be belween SW Russia and Kargopol.

Based on what I have seen, Slovaks are quite Slavic in comparison with Czechs.

[Leto]

Based on what I have seen, Slovaks are quite Slavic in comparison with Czechs.
I believe AXIS said Slovaks were about 75% Slavic with the remaining quarter divided between Balkan and Germanic admixtures.

[Aspirin]

My gf, just plain S-E Moldavian, extremely similar (don't plot her anywhere, lel, she is almost point blank on the Romanian average)

Post her K15.

[Jana]

I believe AXIS said Slovaks were about 75% Slavic with the remaining quarter divided between Balkan and Germanic admixtures.

My estimate would be Czechs are on average 10% less Slav than Slovaks. Seen something along that line on Global 25.

[Seya]

Could be brothers! Which region is that N. Italian from, Veneto or Friuli?

3/4 Friulian 1/4 Veneto

[WeirdLookingFellow]

3/4 Friulian 1/4 Veneto

Based on this K15 t-sne plot made by ph2ter, it's Venetians and Friulians being pulled to the Balkans.

https://i.imgur.com/bY7G2I1.png

[Alenka]

u're actually pulling more towards N. Italians. look at the green dot. that's a north italian. he's a member here:
https://i.imgur.com/zbbm6En.png
That's not exactly the average North Italian though, he's from the northeast so he might have some Slavic admix pulling him there. He even had like 0.5% Asian on 23andMe (0.3% Mongolian, 0.1% Yakut, and 0.1% broadly East Asian).

[Seya]

That's not exactly the average North Italian though, he's from the northeast so he might have some Slavic admix pulling him there. He even had like 0.5% Asian on 23andMe (0.3% Mongolian, 0.1% Yakut, and 0.1% broadly East Asian).

north east, yes. it's normal result for NE italy

[Ford]

I like my Balkan brothers and Slavs Serbs just happen to be both

https://i.imgur.com/d9I8z7t.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QUpL78Fuc

[WeirdLookingFellow]

https://i.imgur.com/d9I8z7t.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QUpL78Fuc

https://puu.sh/EB7ZE/a1961c5135.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49pcX7ISWw

[Seya]

so...moldovians are the new serbs and the serbs are the new moldovians? makes sense...

[vbnetkhio]

Or southern Serb. But she is fully Bosnian Serb.

Southern Serbs actually mostly plot around that "official" Serbian average. Montenegrins(and this person) plot south of it. i already have one Serb from Bosnian Krajina and 3 from Serbia which plot in the Montenegrin zone, i posted them on previous pages.

i think these people have somewhat recent Montenegrin origin from both parent's sides.

[Dušan]

https://puu.sh/EB7ZE/a1961c5135.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49pcX7ISWw

K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.52
2 60.5% Ukrainian + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.89
3 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 4.09
4 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.12
5 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
6 72.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.8% Sardinian @ 4.16
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.16
8 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% South_Italian @ 4.17
9 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Bulgarian @ 4.19
10 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.23
11 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.23
12 62.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
13 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.24
14 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Central_Greek @ 4.27
15 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.27
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% South_Italian @ 4.27
17 94% Moldavian + 6% West_Sicilian @ 4.28
18 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Cyprian @ 4.29
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 4.29
20 96% Moldavian + 4% Moroccan @ 4.3


https://st4.depositphotos.com/15412584/19986/i/1600/depositphotos_199866966-stock-photo-moldova-serbia-two-crossed-flags.jpg

[Mingle]

Surname is Olteanu so probably from Oltenia (South Romania):


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.88
2 North_Atlantic 23.53
3 East_Med 19.66
4 West_Med 15.47
5 West_Asian 11.88
6 Red_Sea 2.34
7 Siberian 1.65
8 Oceanian 0.89
9 Amerindian 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 2.65
2 Bulgarian 3.14
3 Serbian 6.15
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.54
5 Moldavian 11.92
6 Hungarian 14
7 Croatian 14.82
8 Tuscan 15.75
9 Italian_Abruzzo 16.21
10 North_Italian 16.46
11 Austrian 16.9
12 Central_Greek 17.08
13 West_Sicilian 18.08
14 East_Sicilian 18.36
15 East_German 18.9
16 Ashkenazi 19.66
17 West_German 20.12
18 French 20.53
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 21.06
20 South_Italian 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.46
2 64.9% Central_Greek + 35.1% Finnish @ 1.88
3 95.3% Romanian + 4.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.89
4 65.4% Central_Greek + 34.6% Estonian @ 1.96
5 95.6% Romanian + 4.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.97
6 61% Italian_Abruzzo + 39% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.99
7 95.7% Romanian + 4.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2
8 95.6% Romanian + 4.4% Palestinian @ 2.04
9 95.7% Romanian + 4.3% Assyrian @ 2.04
10 95.6% Romanian + 4.4% Jordanian @ 2.05
11 95.9% Romanian + 4.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.05
12 95.3% Romanian + 4.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.06
13 96.7% Romanian + 3.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.06
14 69.8% Hungarian + 30.2% Cyprian @ 2.06
15 95.8% Romanian + 4.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.07
16 95.2% Romanian + 4.8% Azeri @ 2.08
17 86.6% Serbian + 13.4% Assyrian @ 2.09
18 94.8% Romanian + 5.2% Turkish @ 2.1
19 95.5% Romanian + 4.5% Syrian @ 2.11
20 95.9% Romanian + 4.1% Samaritan @ 2.11


Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.34
2 East_Med 16.7
3 Baltic 14.36
4 Atlantic 13.66
5 West_Asian 10.99
6 West_Med 10.86
7 Eastern_Euro 10.66
8 Red_Sea 2.53
9 Siberian 0.89
10 Oceanian 0.66
11 Amerindian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.38
2 Serbian 5.89
3 Bulgarian 6.19
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.36
5 Moldavian 10.85
6 Hungarian 12.3
7 Greek 12.35
8 Austrian 13.19
9 Croatian 13.19
10 Tuscan 14.74
11 Italian_Abruzzo 15.23
12 Ashkenazi 15.58
13 North_Italian 16.03
14 Central_Greek 16.11
15 East_German 16.69
16 East_Sicilian 17.07
17 West_Sicilian 17.38
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.31
19 French 18.58
20 West_German 18.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.9% Hungarian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 2.25
2 59.2% Central_Greek + 40.8% Finnish @ 2.67
3 75.1% Hungarian + 24.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.7
4 72% Hungarian + 28% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.73
5 61.8% Central_Greek + 38.2% Estonian @ 2.75
6 75.3% Hungarian + 24.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.78
7 86.8% Serbian + 13.2% Assyrian @ 2.83
8 87.7% Serbian + 12.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.89
9 87.6% Serbian + 12.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.95
10 87.6% Serbian + 12.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.96
11 74.1% Hungarian + 25.9% Assyrian @ 3.05
12 75.2% Hungarian + 24.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.07
13 87.3% Serbian + 12.7% Armenian @ 3.08
14 87.3% Serbian + 12.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.08
15 87.9% Serbian + 12.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.14
16 86.1% Serbian + 13.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.18
17 74.7% Hungarian + 25.3% Samaritan @ 3.27
18 75.2% Hungarian + 24.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.32
19 56.3% Hungarian + 43.7% Ashkenazi @ 3.33
20 57.1% Hungarian + 42.9% Central_Greek @ 3.34