Meskhetian(Ahıska) Turk MyHeritage + Gedmatch results from Ardahan

[Sora]

MyHeritage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDd0TtHzF0

*Unfortunately I don't know his Gedmatch kit number

MDLP K23b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 48.10
2 South_Central_Asian 18.07
3 Near_East 9.25
4 European_Early_Farmers 8.95
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.49
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.89
7 North_African 1.26

Single Population Approximation List:
1. Turk_Ahiska @ 7,048738
2. Turk_Anatolia_East @ 7,657243
3. Circassian @ 8,511891
4. Turk_Trabzon @ 8,601861
5. Greek_Pontus @ 8,854158
6. Ossetian @ 9,092579
7. Balkar @ 9,241975
8. Alan_DA162 @ 9,386964
9. Armenian_West @ 10,019191
10. Karachay @ 10,315555
11. Abkhazian @ 10,758081
12. Laz @ 10,941403
13. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 11,069638

[Sora]

No Mongoloid DNA... :confused: it seems like Meskhetian Turks are assimilated Georgians. I as a (probably) 1/8 Mesketian Turk, I'm so shocked!

[Marmara]

True, Meskhetian Turks are pure Kavkaz.

[karakartal]

His MyHeritage results very inaccurate. I'm really curious about his matches.

[Tigranes]

His MyHeritage results very inaccurate. I'm really curious about his matches.

He's a Dönmeh.

[karakartal]

He's a Dönmeh.

I think his close matches mostly Georgians and Armenians.

[FinalFlash]

Meshkhetian Turks share high genetic similarity to Eastern Black Sea people, Armenians and Georgians.

[Leto]

MyHeritage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDd0TtHzF0

*Unfortunately I don't know his Gedmatch kit number

MDLP K23b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 48.10
2 South_Central_Asian 18.07
3 Near_East 9.25
4 European_Early_Farmers 8.95
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.49
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.89
7 North_African 1.26

Single Population Approximation List:
1. Turk_Ahiska @ 7,048738
2. Turk_Anatolia_East @ 7,657243
3. Circassian @ 8,511891
4. Turk_Trabzon @ 8,601861
5. Greek_Pontus @ 8,854158
6. Ossetian @ 9,092579
7. Balkar @ 9,241975
8. Alan_DA162 @ 9,386964
9. Armenian_West @ 10,019191
10. Karachay @ 10,315555
11. Abkhazian @ 10,758081
12. Laz @ 10,941403
13. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 11,069638
Looks like it's a TA member!


K23b
Caucasian 48.45
South_Central_Asian 18.07
Near_East 9.07
European_Early_Farmers 8.95
European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.49
Ancestral_Altaic 3.89
North_African 1.26
Subsaharian 0.74
Amerindian 0.34
Melano_Polynesian 0.29
Austronesian 0.22
Paleo_Siberian 0.16


K13:

West_Asian 40.18
East_Med 28.89
West_Med 14.72
Baltic 5.5
orth_Atlantic 4.01
Red_Sea 3.69
Sub-Saharan 0.87
East_Asian 0.76
Oceanian 0.66
South_Asian 0.4
Amerindian 0.3

K12b:

Caucasus 50.08
Gedrosia 16.46
Atlantic_Med 11.53
North_European 10.75
Southwest_Asian 10.05
Northwest_African 0.76
Sub_Saharan 0.38

Why do i get on k23b 18% south asian and on K13 only 0,4%? Other calculators i get almost nothing to zero south asian to..

[placebo]

I really still don't understand and really can't believe. I'm 1/4 Georgian 2/4 Meskhetian basicaly 3/4 Kavkaz and probably with very minimal mongoloid (1/4 Northwestern Anatolian (but also it's not pure I have some Balkan Turk ancestor)) but still how can I be look so Turkic? Maybe I have a Nogai ancestor but that seems illogical, Meskhetian Turks live in South Caucasus and the Nogays live in the north.

According to my known ancestors, my East Eurasian percentage should be 2-3% at the most. Even 10% East Eurasian doesn't give a Asiatic look, and it is very strange that I look so Central Asian. I want to have a test, but I still haven't had the opportunity.

[Sora]

I really still don't understand and really can't believe. I'm 1/4 Georgian 2/4 Meskhetian basicaly 3/4 Kavkaz and probably with very minimal mongoloid (1/4 Northwestern Anatolian (but also it's not pure I have some Balkan Turk ancestor)) but still how can I be look so Turkic? Maybe I have a Nogai ancestor but that seems illogical, Meskhetian Turks live in South Caucasus and the Nogays live in the north.

According to my known ancestors, my East Eurasian percentage should be 2-3% at the most. Even 10% East Eurasian doesn't give a Asiatic look, and it is very strange that I look so Central Asian. I want to have a test, but I still haven't had the opportunity.

Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

[placebo]

Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

Yeah I know but as far as I know pseudo Central Asian looking Moroccans generally have SSA. Sometimes SSA gives pseudo mong vibe. I think Scando looking Chepni girl is unexcpexted but not impossible because she's not only have East Eurasian.

My situation is weirdest imo. But as I said, maybe there is a family history that I don't know.

Magyar member Chris's situation is similar to mine.

[Mejgusu]

If I am not wrong, Ottomans never mentioned this group, it could be that they were probably turkified in pre Ottoman times or also in contact with other Turkish groups. But they identify themselves as Turks for so many centuries, already have a Turkish related culture and are intermarrying into other Turkish groups. Therefore they are no different for me comparing to someone from Edirne to Igdir.

[Flashball]

Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

The phenotype is not the genotype, but even 5% influences the phenotype, it would be ridiculous to believe that not: even the prehistoric ancestral contributions influence our traits, with variations due to selection, selective pressure, etc., so imagine more recent contributions .

But yes, "sleepy Asian genes" can still back up to the surface in a population that is 5-10% siberian-like.

[placebo]

If I am not wrong, Ottomans never mentioned this group, it could be that they were probably turkified in pre Ottoman times or also in contact with other Turkish groups. But they identify themselves as Turks for so many centuries, already have a Turkish related culture and are intermarrying into other Turkish groups. Therefore they are no different for me comparing to someone from Edirne to Igdir.

My grandpa said we settled in Ahıska from the Ankara. Maybe in Ottoman period Turkmens were sent but the autosomal results don't seem like that. Maybe they mixed too much with the locals but that doesn't make much sense either because Meskhetians were Orthodox Christians.


But maybe my family was migrated to the region in the late period, so the results of my family may not be similar to the Meskhetian Turks.

[Mejgusu]

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If Meskhetian Turks adopted Turkish identity during Ottoman times, that would mean there wasn’t any resistance and it proceeded quickly. At most that happened maybe by some Ottoman authorities, not by Turkish tribes. Also I doubt that Ottomans ever tried to settle Turkmens there, many maybe most rebellious clans were Alevi/Shia and they weren’t stupid to settle them to a disputed region where they could fall into Safevi clutches. Especially Central Anatolian tribes sympathized with the Persian state which was under Turkish rule and rather considered them as their sovereign than Ottomans. Those groups were settled somewhere like Balkan else or deported to Syria. It is just interesting why only this specific group adopted Turkish identity and not the whole group, Islamization didn’t mean adopting Turkish identity.

[placebo]

If Meskhetian Turks adopted Turkish identity during Ottoman times, that would mean there wasn’t any resistance and it proceeded quickly. At most that happened maybe by some Ottoman authorities, not by Turkish tribes. Also I doubt that Ottomans ever tried to settle Turkmens there, many maybe most rebellious clans were Alevi/Shia and they weren’t stupid to settle them to a disputed region where they could fall into Safevi clutches. Especially Central Anatolian tribes sympathized with the Persian state which was under Turkish rule and rather considered them as their sovereign than Ottomans. Those groups were settled somewhere like Balkan else or deported to Syria. It is just interesting why only this specific group adopted Turkish identity and not the whole group, Islamization didn’t mean adopting Turkish identity.

Yes true it doesn't make sense to send Turkmens to a place close to the Safavids. Most Ahıskalı when I talk to describe themselves as the locals of the region but no one knows exactly how it happens. I only heard from my grandfather and one source that Meskhetian Turks originally came from Anatolia, but as I said, our situation may be different. It is very interesting to adopt Turkish identity. Although there was many Turks in Bulgaria, Pomaks still considered as a different ethnicity. For example my grandma are Adjaran and describe themselves as Muslim Georgians. I think it's more than adopting identity. I don't know how or what happened, but the Meskhetian region has a very mysterious history.

[Zanzibar]

Phenotype doesn't always equal to genotype. I've seen both a Japanese-looking Moroccan with no Mongoloid and a Scandinavian-looking Chepni Turk girl from Giresun who scored too high Central Asian & no European ancestry

Are these from r/23andme on reddit?

[Zanzibar]

Yeah I know but as far as I know pseudo Central Asian looking Moroccans generally have SSA. Sometimes SSA gives pseudo mong vibe. I think Scando looking Chepni girl is unexcpexted but not impossible because she's not only have East Eurasian.

My situation is weirdest imo. But as I said, maybe there is a family history that I don't know.

Magyar member Chris's situation is similar to mine.

Also search the actors Erza Miller and Joseph Gordon Levitt who are supposedly fully Jewish but looks like a NE Asian hapa or Pharrell Williams and John Legend who look half Asian despite being supposedly full Afro-American.

[placebo]

Also search the actors Erza Miller and Joseph Gordon Levitt who are supposedly fully Jewish but looks like a NE Asian hapa or Pharrell Williams and John Legend who look half Asian despite being supposedly full Afro-American.

Yeah I know Ezra bacause a few people told me I looked like Ezra Miller. xd And Joseph Gordon Levitt. They're also interesting cases.

[Zanzibar]

Yeah I know Ezra bacause a few people told me I looked like Ezra Miller. xd And Joseph Gordon Levitt. They're also interesting cases.

People told you this in real life or in this forum? I want to see their DNA tests.

[placebo]

People told you this in real life or in this forum? I want to see their DNA tests.

Both. But I don't think I look like him. Probably results of both will be similar to other Ashkenazi Jews.

[GoalPoacher]

That 35% Greek&South Italian is so damn nonsense. Myheritage giving bs as always.

[Sora]

Are these from r/23andme on reddit?

Yup, the second one is. The first one is a Moroccan twicher & YouTuber "Pokimane"

[Zanzibar]

Yup, the second one is. The first one is a Moroccan twicher & YouTuber "Pokimane"

Can you post the link to the thread of the second girl?

Search "Pokimane" and she looks more like a hapa than a fully Japanese.

[Leto]

If I am not wrong, Ottomans never mentioned this group, it could be that they were probably turkified in pre Ottoman times or also in contact with other Turkish groups. But they identify themselves as Turks for so many centuries, already have a Turkish related culture and are intermarrying into other Turkish groups. Therefore they are no different for me comparing to someone from Edirne to Igdir.
You are a traitor to the Holy Tengrian blood (which is 8-9% of your ancestry)!

[Sora]

You are a traitor to the Holy Tengrian blood (which is 8-9% of your ancestry)!

But the calculators say Anatolian Turks are 30%-50% ancient Turkic.. :confused:

Edit: according to the link below, the recent Turkics with the most ancient blood are Uzbeks & some Turkmens;

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?351426-Genetic-clusters-of-Turkic(and-some-Uralic)-peoples-with-new-datas

*The Berbero-Mongol boi "Gafur Isakhanov" didn't like this! :p I hope he will find himself a Brazilian(true triracial if possible) girl to complete the non-existent parts in his dna. He also said he likes "brunette & curvy girls" although he lives in Moscow... :confused:

[Leto]

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I don't know what you're talking about. That comment (supposed to be funny BTW) was directed to Gecko and it's about his opinion that the Ahiska are just as Turkish as the other Turks.

[Sora]

I don't know what you're talking about. That comment (supposed to be funny BTW) was directed to Gecko and it's about his opinion that the Ahiska are just as Turkish as the other Turks.


I was just doing irony and chillin'

Btw, could you tell your opinion about how does this "Berbero-Mongol" guy look? Does he look typical Uzbeki? Or he looks too odd? (Btw he is quarter Moroccan) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?331680-Classify-Gafur-Isakhanov-a-Russian-singer-of-Uzbek-origin

[Mejgusu]

I don't know what you're talking about. That comment (supposed to be funny BTW) was directed to Gecko and it's about his opinion that the Ahiska are just as Turkish as the other Turks.

According law and social conventions this is true, although genetically they are just Georgians(btw Turkey has some famous Georgian descendants, besides of Erdogan). I prefer turkophile people regardless of their ethnic background(until they are from our cultural sphere, obviously I don’t mean someone from a totally alien place). You are a Russian, I know you are quite nationalistic but until someone is very russophile, do you really care about it whether this person is Tatar or Gerorgian for instance? I mean your defense minister is maybe most Tengri politician on this world but do you think he cares of other Turkic nations? I have a lot of Russian(Russlanddeutsche) and Central Asian friends, all of them are very russophile, you don’t need to consider them as Russians but don’t you appreciate it? Personally I do this regarding Ahiska Turks, considering Turks aren’t liked by everyone in this region. On the other hand, I don’t feel close to every Turk in Turkey, I prefer a decent Kurd over a backward, arrogant Turk.

[Leto]

According law and social conventions this is true, although genetically they are just Georgians(btw Turkey has some famous Georgian descendants, besides of Erdogan). I prefer turkophile people regardless of their ethnic background(until they are from our cultural sphere, obviously I don’t mean someone from a totally alien place). You are a Russian, I know you are quite nationalistic but until someone is very russophile, do you really care about it whether this person is Tatar or Gerorgian for instance? I mean your defense minister is maybe most Tengri politician on this world but do you think he cares of other Turkic nations? I have a lot of Russian(Russlanddeutsche) and Central Asian friends, all of them are very russophile, you don’t need to consider them as Russians but don’t you appreciate it? Personally I do this regarding Ahiska Turks, considering Turks aren’t liked by everyone in this region. On the other hand, I don’t feel close to every Turk in Turkey, I prefer a decent Kurd over a backward, arrogant Turk.
Well, that is a serious topic, I don't wanna get into that, to be honest. My comment was basically a joke. Obviously modern Turkey as a nation is not dependent on an Altaic genetic component even if that's part of the national myth, so to speak. Until recently people had no way to prove or disprove that.
By the way, you can say I am nationalist but not necessarily a Russian nationalist and certainly not a lover of the modern state of Russia.