Post your Volgan % from K47 (yourdnaportal)

[Dušan]

Volgan 5.29%

I wonder what other folks get from this slightly exotic component. Post it :)

[Ford]

0% :P

[Rgvgjhvv]

0.00% and proud

[ph2ter]

Volgan 3.99%

[JosephK]

0.00%

[Dušan]

I would like to see some Hungarian and Bulgarian results.
Don't know how this component came to Balkans.

[CommonSense]

Volgan

1.26%

[Cumansky]

Is a Balto Slavic mixed Urals component based on Chuvash people

[Dušan]

Is a Balto Slavic mixed Urals component based on Chuvash people

If you count west Finnic is proto-Slavic, then you should do the same with Volgan.

[Pedro Ruben]

Volgan 0.00%

[Cumansky]

If you count west Finnic is proto-Slavic, then you should do the same with Volgan.

Look at Chuvash people they have too much Asian blood to be considered Early Slavic, find their GEDmatch I sent Ph2ter their GEDmatch before from my matchlist

Finnic blood is everywhere in former Kievan Rus and surrounding regions

[Dušan]

Look at Chuvash people they have too much Asian blood to be considered Early Slavic, find their GEDmatch I sent Ph2ter their GEDmatch before from my matchlist

Finnic blood is everywhere in former Kievan Rus and surrounding regions

I got 1% Siberian in FTDNA, and cca same amount in most calculators.
Yet, 5.29% Volgan in K47 and 4.36% Volga-Ural in K36, and 0% Siberian in these two calculators.

[Alenka]

Don't know how this component came to Balkans.
https://i.imgur.com/hSH5MYS.gif

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/hSH5MYS.gif

:cool:




But with who?

[valera27]

3.44%

[Dušan]

3.44%

From what part of Russia are you from by origins?

[Dick]

Volgan

1.26%

Same

[Crimean]

4.08%
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233788-Post-K47-Results&p=5456561&viewfull=1#post5456561

How did you score so much of it?:)

[Dušan]

4.08%
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233788-Post-K47-Results&p=5456561&viewfull=1#post5456561

How did you score so much of it?:)

I don't know. :D
Same is with Volga-Ural in K36.

[Bakha]

0.36%

[Bakha]

Zero on 23andme file

[Celestia]

1.60%

[Cumansky]

0.24%

[Cumansky]

Father 0%

Mother 0%

[Coastal Elite]

Volgan 0.00%

[Gaditanian]

If you count west Finnic is proto-Slavic, then you should do the same with Volgan.

Volgan 2.48%
West Finnic 3.06%

[valera27]

From what part of Russia are you from by origins?

Southern (Livny, Oryol oblast)

[WeirdLookingFellow]

4.47%

3.45% Volga-Ural on K36.

EDIT: 1.17% and 3.11% Volga-Ural for my gf.

[paradox]

Me - 0
Father - 1.96

[ModernMaskil]

Zip, zilch, nil.

[Kaspias]

3.85

[SUPREEEEEME]

Volgan 0.00%

[Dušan]

So, its not very rare, as I tought it would be.

Over 3% have one Serb (me), Croat (ph2ter), Moldovan (WeirdLookingFellow), two Russians (Crimean and valera27), one Balkan Turk (Kaspias).

It would be interesting to see some Hungarian and Bulgarian results.

[andre]

Volgan 0.00%

[Dušan]

http://i.imgur.com/Icdxesy.gif

[Rædwald]

Volgan 0.49%

[oszkar07]

Volgan 2.27%

[Dušan]

Volgan 2.27%

Are you full ethnic Hungarian or partly (see also British in ethnicity)?

Do you think it could be ancient Magyar component?

[Seya]

Volgan - 3.43%

[Dušan]

Volgan - 3.43%

Nice, Seya. And you have over 3.
I am not completely outsider.

In my opinion this component in Balkans is probably ancient Bulgarian origin, because it is based on Chuvash population, and they are considered as descendants of Volga Bulgarians.

[Lemgrant]

4.92%


Good
https://i.imgur.com/wAQUxx6.png
Finished reading population data. 140 populations found.
47 components mode.

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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 6411 ms
1 89.65% UKR_Lvov + 10.35% Estonian @ 8.006
2 97.85% UKR_Lvov + 2.15% Canary_Islander @ 8.097
3 97.46% UKR_Lvov + 2.54% South_French @ 8.116
4 93.95% UKR_Lvov + 6.05% Russian @ 8.150
5 93.55% UKR_Lvov + 6.45% Czech @ 8.156
6 98.24% UKR_Lvov + 1.76% Aleut @ 8.165
7 99.41% UKR_Lvov + 0.59% Eskimo2 @ 8.179
8 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Croat @ 8.182
9 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% UKR_Lvov @ 8.182
10 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Spanish_mixed @ 8.184
11 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Hungarian2 @ 8.184
12 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Hungarian1 @ 8.184
13 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Yukagir3 @ 8.184
14 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Saami @ 8.185
15 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Aleut_Tlingit @ 8.185
16 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Even @ 8.186
17 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% French_Northwest @ 8.187
18 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Romania_Gorj @ 8.187
19 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Romanian_Apuseni @ 8.188
20 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Bulgarian @ 8.188
21 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Yukagir @ 8.188
22 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Tu @ 8.189
23 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% French_East @ 8.189
24 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Greek_Thessaloniki @ 8.189
25 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Mozabite @ 8.189
26 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Icelandic @ 8.190
27 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% French @ 8.190
28 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Kirghiz_Bishkek @ 8.190
29 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Algerian @ 8.190
30 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Tunisian @ 8.191
31 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Italian_North @ 8.192
32 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Orcadian @ 8.192
33 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% AshkenaziJew @ 8.192
34 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Sicilian_Siracuse @ 8.192
35 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% French_West @ 8.192
36 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Moroccan_Jew @ 8.194
37 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Malta @ 8.194
38 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Tubalar @ 8.194
39 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Egypt @ 8.194
40 99.80% UKR_Lvov + 0.20% Uygur @ 8.195

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% UKR_Lvov @ 8.182
2 100% Czech @ 12.261
3 100% Russian @ 13.772
4 100% Croat @ 15.191
5 100% Hungarian2 @ 15.835
6 100% Hungarian1 @ 16.364
7 100% Estonian @ 16.596
8 100% Romania_Gorj @ 22.657
9 100% Romanian_Apuseni @ 22.715
10 100% Bulgarian @ 23.610
New populations: 33

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% UKR_Lvov + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 8.182
2 50% Czech + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 9.198
3 50% Russian + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 9.661
4 50% Estonian + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 10.266
5 50% Croat + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 10.379
6 50% Hungarian2 + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 10.812
7 50% Czech + 50% Russian @ 10.813
8 50% Hungarian1 + 50% UKR_Lvov @ 11.025
9 50% Croat + 50% Estonian @ 11.190
10 50% Czech + 50% Estonian @ 11.315

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 8.182
2 33% Czech + 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 8.566
3 33% Russian + 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 8.762
4 33% Estonian + 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 8.829
5 33% Croat + 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 9.219
6 33% Czech + 33% Russian + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 9.265
7 33% Czech + 33% Estonian + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 9.306
8 33% Croat + 33% Estonian + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 9.311
9 33% Hungarian2 + 33% UKR_Lvov + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 9.536
10 33% Croat + 33% Russian + 33% UKR_Lvov @ 9.636

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.182
2 25% Estonian + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.350
3 25% Czech + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.352
4 25% Russian + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.450
5 25% Czech + 25% Estonian + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.590
6 25% Croat + 25% Estonian + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.637
7 25% Czech + 25% Russian + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.701
8 25% Croat + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.778
9 25% Croat + 25% Russian + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 8.967
10 25% Hungarian2 + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov + 25% UKR_Lvov @ 9.024

[Seya]

Nice, Seya. And you have over 3.
I am not completely outsider.

In my opinion this component in Balkans is probably ancient Bulgarian origin, because it is based on Chuvash population, and they are considered as descendants of Volga Bulgarians.

i see this volga or volga-ural component on many calculators but i'm not sure it refers to the same thing. how much volga-ural do u get on k11?

[Dušan]

i see this volga or volga-ural component on many calculators but i'm not sure it refers to the same thing. how much volga-ural do u get on k11?

K11:
Volga-Ural 16.30% :biggrin:

[Seya]

K11:
Volga-Ural 16.30% :biggrin:

exactly..mine is also huge )) i wonder what is it

[Dušan]

exactly..mine is also huge )) i wonder what is it

Me too. It is really mystery.

[vbnetkhio]

Is a Balto Slavic mixed Urals component based on Chuvash people

what are baltic and east euro based on?

[PAGANE]

My brother gives Volga- 0%, Uralic-0.00%, North Caucasian -3.47%, Turkic Altai- 0.00%
my mother Volga 0.76%, the Urals 0.57%, North Caucasians 5.76%, Turkic Altai 0%
Me Volga 0.00%, the Urals 0.00%, North Caucasians 2.83%, Turkic Altai 0%

[PAGANE]

My brother gives Volga- 0%, Uralic-0.00%, North Caucasian -3.47%, Turkic Altai- 0.00%
my mother Volga 0.76%, the Urals 0.57%, North Caucasians 5.76%, Turkic Altai 0%
Me Volga 0.00%, the Urals 0.00%, North Caucasians 2.83%, Turkic Altai 0%

[Seya]

My brother gives Volga- 0%, Uralic-0.00%, North Caucasian -3.47%, Turkic Altai- 0.00%
my mother Volga 0.76%, the Urals 0.57%, North Caucasians 5.76%, Turkic Altai 0%
Me Volga 0.00%, the Urals 0.00%, North Caucasians 2.83%, Turkic Altai 0%

how about south caucasian?

[Jana]

Magyars

[Art23]

I wish it was 0. But it is 2.82%.

[Gwydion]

My mother has high score for this, especially for someone 60-70% Irish and the rest German, though based on DNA matches with people with Volga-German ancestry and modern Ukranians, Russians, and so on, I suspect she may have Crimean/Volga German ancestry. If not it is even more odd:

K47: 4.37%

Eurogenes K36: 4.04

[ph2ter]

Nice, Seya. And you have over 3.
I am not completely outsider.

In my opinion this component in Balkans is probably ancient Bulgarian origin, because it is based on Chuvash population, and they are considered as descendants of Volga Bulgarians.

You read too much from your small number of samples.

This is the list with Volgan percentages which I have a long time (with the group names according to clustering function):

Antipod2 West_Slavic 7.73
suomi3 Finns 5.96
South_Pole North_Slavic 5.95
Antipod West_Slavic 5.9
Aha_2 West_Slavic 5.6
Aha North_Slavic 5.26
roaring North_Slavic 5.15
michal3141 North_Slavic 4.92
Kursk_Volga North_Slavic 4.55
cercle_mom South_Slavic 4.46
Pylsteen Normandy 4.41
Gwydion_mum Isles 4.37
jonahst_dad Jewish 4.36
rand_fil West_Rhine 4.26
orcadian11 Isles 4.12
suomi5 Finns 4.12
north-russian North_Slavic 4.08
vv_rus North_Slavic 4.08
ph2ter West_Slavic 3.98
suomi4 Finns 3.82
South&Central_Russian_Vilno North_Slavic 3.68
Aha_1 North_Slavic 3.55
Icelandic Isles 3.51
welder German_Slavic_Mix 3.42
suomi1 Finns 3.13
evon_uncle North_Germanic 3.05
pole_kresy North_Slavic 3
amerijoe Isles 2.88
geborgenheit North_Slavic 2.83
BH Germany 2.82
cercle Germany 2.49

The component is mainly North and East European.

[Dušan]

You read too much from your small number of samples.

This is the list with Volgan percentages which I have a long time (with group names according to clustering):

Antipod2 West_Slavic 7.73
suomi3 Finns 5.96
South_Pole North_Slavic 5.95
Antipod West_Slavic 5.9
Aha_2 West_Slavic 5.6
Aha North_Slavic 5.26
roaring North_Slavic 5.15
michal3141 North_Slavic 4.92
Kursk_Volga North_Slavic 4.55
cercle_mom South_Slavic 4.46
Pylsteen Normandy 4.41
Gwydion_mum Isles 4.37
jonahst_dad Jewish 4.36
rand_fil West_Rhine 4.26
orcadian11 Isles 4.12
suomi5 Finns 4.12
north-russian North_Slavic 4.08
vv_rus North_Slavic 4.08
ph2ter West_Slavic 3.98
suomi4 Finns 3.82
South&Central_Russian_Vilno North_Slavic 3.68
Aha_1 North_Slavic 3.55
Icelandic Isles 3.51
welder German_Slavic_Mix 3.42
suomi1 Finns 3.13
evon_uncle North_Germanic 3.05
pole_kresy North_Slavic 3
amerijoe Isles 2.88
geborgenheit North_Slavic 2.83
BH Germany 2.82
cercle Germany 2.49

The component is mainly North and East European.

Nice. :thumb001:
What do you think about origin of Volgan in K47?

[PAGANE]

how about south caucasian?

South Caucasian- 10.98%- mother
South Caucasian- 10.95%- Me
South Caucasian- 8.39%- brother

[Gwydion]

You read too much from your small number of samples.

This is the list with Volgan percentages which I have a long time (with group names according to clustering):

Antipod2 West_Slavic 7.73
suomi3 Finns 5.96
South_Pole North_Slavic 5.95
Antipod West_Slavic 5.9
Aha_2 West_Slavic 5.6
Aha North_Slavic 5.26
roaring North_Slavic 5.15
michal3141 North_Slavic 4.92
Kursk_Volga North_Slavic 4.55
cercle_mom South_Slavic 4.46
Pylsteen Normandy 4.41
Gwydion_mum Isles 4.37
jonahst_dad Jewish 4.36
rand_fil West_Rhine 4.26
orcadian11 Isles 4.12
suomi5 Finns 4.12
north-russian North_Slavic 4.08
vv_rus North_Slavic 4.08
ph2ter West_Slavic 3.98
suomi4 Finns 3.82
South&Central_Russian_Vilno North_Slavic 3.68
Aha_1 North_Slavic 3.55
Icelandic Isles 3.51
welder German_Slavic_Mix 3.42
suomi1 Finns 3.13
evon_uncle North_Germanic 3.05
pole_kresy North_Slavic 3
amerijoe Isles 2.88
geborgenheit North_Slavic 2.83
BH Germany 2.82
cercle Germany 2.49

The component is mainly North and East European.

While looking at my mother's matches on GEDMatch I came across some kits with relatively high Volgan scores on K36. Here's their background based on GEDCOMs mostly:

Kit 1 Russian 8.0
Kit 2 Ukranian 5.76
Kit 3 Tatar/Bashkir/Chuvash of some sort 9.71
Kit 4 Southwest Russian 5.54
Kit 5 A Russian/Lithuanian mix 7.8
Kit 6 Finnish 3.31
Kit 7 Finnish 5.28
Kit 8 Finnish 3.21

What's strange in my mother's case is her closest possible Eastern European ancestor would be a 3rd great-grandparent on her Prussian side and so it is odd that her score is as high as some modern Eastern Euros.

One theory I've thought about is if her Prussian ancestry further back is from some older German community in Ukraine, Russia, or elsewhere that had more time to mix with the natives and become more Eastern Euro-like.

[ph2ter]

Nice. :thumb001:
What do you think about origin of Volgan in K47?

You must ask Lukasz. Probably it is Mordovian or Chuvash, but actually it looks like some ancient component originating north of Steppe.

[ph2ter]

While looking at my mother's matches on GEDMatch I came across some kits with relatively high Volgan scores on K36. Here's their background based on GEDCOMs mostly:

Kit 1 Russian 8.0
Kit 2 Ukranian 5.76
Kit 3 Tatar/Bashkir/Chuvash of some sort 9.71
Kit 4 Southwest Russian 5.54
Kit 5 A Russian/Lithuanian mix 7.8
Kit 6 Finnish 3.31
Kit 7 Finnish 5.28
Kit 8 Finnish 3.21

What's strange in my mother's case is her closest possible Eastern European ancestor would be a 3rd great-grandparent on her Prussian side and so it is odd that her score is as high as some modern Eastern Euros.

One theory I've thought about is if her Prussian ancestry further back is from some older German community in Ukraine, Russia, or elsewhere that had more time to mix with the natives and become more Eastern Euro-like.

In k36 I have 2.25 Volga-Ural.
K36 distribution map of Volga-Ural:
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/vol.jpg

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[PAGANE]

The origins of the ancient Bulgarians are very unclear so far, and the reference to Turkic origin, at least after investigation of ancient mitochondrial DNA, does not support Turkic origin. So far, no Y DNA has been made so we can comment. Do not forget that the Volga Bulgarians are leaving after the collapse of Magna Bulgaria in Kubrat Khan, and until then they have probably inhabited the area of ​​the Northern Black Sea - the region of the Crimea, southern Russia - Krasnodar, Stavropol, the Azov Sea and perhaps the area of ​​today's North Caucasus. We do not know how this tribal political alliance of Kutriguri, Utiguri, Onogunduri and Sabiri were a homogeneous and homogeneous mixture of closely related tribes. All we know is that Kubrat Khan breaks away from the West Turkic Haganate and rejects the dependence on the Avars. Does that make them part of the Haganah, the Turks, we don't know. But even if they were not Turks, they were mixed and influenced by the Turkic peoples, this was inevitable. Not all nomadic peoples in the Eurasian steppe were Turks

[Dušan]

In k36 I have 2.25 Volga-Ural.
K36 distribution map of Volga-Ural:
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/vol.jpg

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What is legend of that map?

I got 4.36% in K36. I don't know what color it presented.

[PAGANE]

We have Avar influence in the Balkans, especially in Pannonia and present-day Northern Macedonia and Albania. We have Pechenegs settlement in Pannonia 9th century, Wallachia lowland - 11th century, in Byzantine sources there are data on the settlement in the early 11th century of the remains of the Chompey tribe in the area of Sofia Field and the connection of the shops with them. Last but not least, the Cumans displaced throughout the Balkans

[ph2ter]

What is legend of that map?

I got 4.36% in K36. I don't know what color it presented.

Neither do I. This is Lukasz' map.

[Leto]

So, its not very rare, as I tought it would be.

Over 3% have one Serb (me), Croat (ph2ter), Moldovan (WeirdLookingFellow), two Russians (Crimean and valera27), one Balkan Turk (Kaspias).
Me:
6.37%

Mother:
5.26% (also she's got 3.40% Uralic)

Father:
2.74%

I don't put much value on this kind of calculators (high K)

[Lemgrant]

0.00% and proud


I wish it was 0. But it is 2.82%.

:rotfl

[Bunalim]

Volgan - 0.00%

[Gwydion]

:rotfl

Why are people happy to not have any Volgan? Does it originally represent something Mongoloid or something more European?

[Lemgrant]

Why are people happy to not have any Volgan? Does it originally represent something Mongoloid or something more European?

Markos is just joking

[Leto]

Why are people happy to not have any Volgan? Does it originally represent something Mongoloid or something more European?
Maybe a little bit Mongoloid but def not predominatly. And 2-5% is a such small amount to begin with.

[oszkar07]

Are you full ethnic Hungarian or partly (see also British in ethnicity)?

Do you think it could be ancient Magyar component?

im half ... My Dads Hungarian and Mother is British.

[Chaos One]

0.38%

Probably because Central Asian background.

[Jana]

This is Uralic component and nothing Turkic/mongoloid. It is ANE rich NE Euro and frequency map shows it clearly.

[Jana]

Btw, to be more precise this Volgan component is East Finnic, I guess. Uralic on K47 is Ugric, based on Khanty and Mansi as far as I know.

[Dušan]

Btw, to be more precise this Volgan component is East Finnic, I guess. Uralic on K47 is Ugric, based on Khanty and Mansi as far as I know.

East Finnic - it could be Mari people and Mordvins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordvins

[Gwydion]

East Finnic - it could be Mari people and Mordvins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordvins

I am not sure about K47, but the Volga-Ural component in the Eurogenes K36 is highest with Mari and Chuvash at like 25-30, with Mordvins being between 6-7 and Komi at 9-10.

[Dušan]

I am not sure about K47, but the Volga-Ural component in the Eurogenes K36 is highest with Mari and Chuvash at like 25-30, with Mordvins being between 6-7 and Komi at 9-10.

I got 4.36% Volga-Ural in K36 (roughly same as K47), so probably is simmilar component.

[Dušan]

Why are people happy to not have any Volgan? Does it originally represent something Mongoloid or something more European?

I don't understand that, too.
Love my Volgan component, and partly origin from that area.:)

[Erronkari]

0.00% and proud

+2

[Art23]

Why are people happy to not have any Volgan?

For political reasons. I am serious.

[Art23]

Love my Volgan component, and partly origin from that area.:)

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