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Deniz
08-28-2019, 08:24 AM
SOME CONCLUSIONS REGARDING THE ORIGINS OF THE TURK SURNAME

A 12-marker Y-DNA test analyzed by Family Tree DNA for Toni Richard TURK reveals the following - Locus/DYS/Alleles: 1/393/13; 2/390/25; 3/19(394)/17; 4/391/10; 5/385a/10; 6/385b/14; 7/426/12; 8/388/12; 9 /439/10; 10/389-1/13; 11/392/11; 12/389-2/30.

Family Tree Y-DNA findings reveal the following results to countries - exact matches: Poland, Silesia, and Slovakia; one step mutations: Poland; two step mutations essentially eastern European: Ashkenazi - LEVITE. The countries stated to have Ashkenazi connections are: Belarus, Germany, Hungary, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, and the Ukraine. A review of the literature indicates a distinction between the Cohen Modal Haplotype and LEVITE priesthood lineage. The latter is "a different, less-well defined patrilineal lineage".

The Y-STR databases reveal a direct match in Turkey. Seventy-two matches were found in Europe. Eighty-nine percent of these were from eastern Europe -- predominately Poland (60%). Nearly all of the remainder were in western Germany.

TURK is a very common surname among Ashkenazi Jews. There are several possible origins ofTURK as a Jewish surname. Kevin Brook, author of THE JEWS OF KHAZARIA, suggests that the name "might simply designate Judean Jews from Turkey who migrated to eastern Europe, or Ottoman Turks, or some other group." He points out that another Ashkenazic surname is TURETSKY, which is Russian for "Turkish" or "Turkic". The origin of this latter variation is equally enigmatic.

In the 15th and 16th centuries and beyond, many Ashkenazim in Poland , including some named TURK, converted to Christianity. Ashkenazi DNA, almost always, closely match those from Syria, Kurdistan, Greece or Turkey. TURK (and variations) first appeared as a surname in Germany in the 16th century.

Khazaria was a Turkic kingdom located in eastern Europe near the Caspian Sea. It flourished as an independent state from about 650 to 1016. Its last power base was the Crimean peninsula. In the ninth century, the Khazarian royalty and nobility, as well as a significant portion of the Khazarian Turkic population embraced the Jewish religion. The downfall of the Khazar kingdom caused many of the Jewish Khazars to flee to the west. The possibility exists that some bearing the TURK surname have origins that trace to these refugee Jews from Khazaria.

The Khazars were a Turkic people, who originated in Central Asia and wrote in a runic script common to Mongolia. By the 5th century they had migrated to the steppes of what is today southern Russia and eastern Ukraine. The royalty of the Khazar kingdom was descended from the Ashina Turkic dynasty. Early Turk tribes were quite diverse, although it is believed that reddish hair was predominate among them prior to the Mongol conquests.

Kevin Brook states that "about 30 percent of Ashkenazic Levites have paternal roots stemming from outside of the Middle East which seem not to be shared by general Ashkenazim; these are also found among Sorbs but could also come from other parts of eastern Europe and western Asia ... David Keys in his book CATASTROPHE suggests they could be Khazar remnants - i.e. descendants of Khazar shamanist priests who adopted the Levite titles artifically upon converting to Judaism."

TURK could come from the Hebrew word, "Ter' Oork", meaning "blessed of the hand of the Lord", or from the Khazar Turkic word, "from the Turkic lands". In the latter case, "Turk" derives from the Mongolian for "strong" or "robust".

Ashkenazi is a medieval Hebrew word for Germany. Ashkenaz is claimed by some to be a son of Solomon, King of the Israelites. Others place him as the grandson of Noah through Gomer. According to the Torah, a relative of Ashkenaz was Togarmah - the progenitor of the Turkic peoples.

1. "Question 13.4: Who were the Khazars? Are Ashkenazi Jews descended from
the Khazars?"
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.htmlhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.html
2. "The Jews of Khazaria", Kevin Alan Brook,
http://www.khazaria.com/brook.htmlhttp://www.khazaria.com/brook.html
3. "Y Chromosomes of Jewish Priests",
http://www.familytreedna.com/nature97385.htmlhttp://www.familytreedna.com/nature97385.html

Almost 1m people living in USA with Kaplan,Kagan and Turk surnames.This is the interesting fact.

Rico33
08-28-2019, 12:14 PM
"Turk, Turc(k), Turek, De(n) Turck, (de) Turcq, (den) Turckx, (de) Torck, Tor(c)q(ue), Teurcq, Teucq, Leturc(q), Leturque, Turcksin" are name variation my part of Europe.

Pine
08-28-2019, 01:10 PM
1. Kevin Brook currently doesn't believe that there is any biological connection between Ashkenazim and Khazars or any Turkic peoples. He is cited all over the place. This is an outdated article from 2002.

2. The common Ashkenazi Levite lineage, a clade of R1a-Z93, has been shown to be Levantine. The origin and time of its appearance is all what's up to debate. It's clearly from around Iran. The only question remains whether it appeared in Israel before or after the time of Abraham. Both paths are plausible with the current data. Assuming this is the lineage that a Turk from Turkey matches, then depending on the proximity, the Turk's patrilineal ancestor was also from around Iran/Levant or he in fact descends from a Jew. Ethnic origins are often omitted on YDNA databases, and rather only the earliest known location is noted. This is why Jews on YFull appear under European flags.

3. Names of nationalities are very common among Jews. Jews named Deutsch, Ashkenazi, and Nemtsov don't descend from Germans. Jews named Polacco, Pollak, Poliakov etc don't descend from Poles. Turetsky doesn't mean "Turkic" in Russian; it means "Turkish". "Turkic" is "Tyursky" in Russian. In all likelihood, it is derived from one of the 3 known villages in Belarus called "Turets", and appropriately, Jewish Turetskies almost always can trace their line to Belarus. Beider (top scholar on Jewish surnames) associates it with the Turets in the Grodno province, but it's not the only Turets in Belarus. However, it is most likely the one in Grodno. The Jewish surname Turk is more interesting, but again, it's not atypical for Jews to have surnames of ethnicities to indicate the countries they migrated from, as opposed to the people they descend from. However, even the surname Turk may be from 2 of the known villages called Turki in Belarus and one such village in modern day Russia, which used to be within the Pale of Settlement. This Jew either descends from a Jew who migrated from the Ottoman Empire or from a Jew who lived in Turki, Belarus. However, given its location in Europe, it's much more likely that the descent is from a Turkish Jew, rather than a Belarusian Jew.

4. The surname Kaplan is a Cohen surname, taken from the Polish word for chaplain. While Kagan is just the Russian transcription of Kahan, a variation of Cohen. Neither have anything to do with Khazars.

Leto
08-28-2019, 01:21 PM
Turetsky doesn't mean "Turkic" in Russian; it means "Turkish". "Turkic" is "Tyursky" in Russian.
I wonder how you know this. It's not even part of the basic vocabulary.

Ülev
08-28-2019, 01:38 PM
also Turchynov

Pine
08-28-2019, 02:28 PM
Just remembered. The following community existed in Turkey:


Urfalim (Hebrew: אוּרְפָלִים) or Urfan Jews, also related as Urfan Levites, are a Jewish (predominantly Levite) community originating from Urfa, in south-eastern Anatolia, in modern Turkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urfalim


Family Tree Y-DNA findings reveal the following results to countries - exact matches: Poland, Silesia, and Slovakia; one step mutations: Poland; two step mutations essentially eastern European: Ashkenazi - LEVITE.

I'm not stating that he must've migrated from this very community, but the possibility is interesting.

Yaglakar
08-28-2019, 05:21 PM
A Khazar autosomal study will soon be published - Population history of Russian medieval nomads, Tatiana Tatarinova. It seems that Ashkenazim are not related to Khazars based on the interview she gave. Level of mongoloidness of the Khazarian elite also appears to vary greatly which points to the fact that Mongoloid elite from the east was being assimilated into the local Caucasoid population.

Pine
08-28-2019, 05:24 PM
A Khazar autosomal study will soon be published - Population history of Russian medieval nomads, Tatiana Tatarinova. It seems that Ashkenazim are not related to Khazars based on the interview she gave. Level of mongoloidness of the Khazarian elite also appears to vary greatly which points to the fact that Mongoloid elite from the east was being assimilated into the local Caucasoid population.

She also made fun of those who previously wrote a study advocating for it.