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Sora
08-31-2019, 05:25 PM
Kit number: M510029

Dodecad k12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 36.63
2 Caucasus 35.36
3 Southwest_Asian 14.92
4 Northwest_African 7.41
5 East_African 3.04
6 Sub_Saharan 1.33


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 11.913974
2 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 13.411101
3 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 14.561120
4 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 15.228991
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 17.100693
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 18.149628
7 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.327522
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.097467
9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 22.913134
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 23.249340
11 Cypriots_Behar @ 23.423307
12 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.076191
13 North_Italian_HGDP @ 28.507835
14 Lebanese_Behar @ 29.291460
15 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 29.457163
16 Jordanians_Behar @ 30.702629
17 Druze_HGDP @ 30.914061
18 Palestinian_HGDP @ 31.093966
19 Syrians_Behar @ 31.243383
20 Turkish_Dodecad @ 32.092300

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Samaritians_Behar +50% Sardinian_HGDP @ 7.858718


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Samaritians_Behar +25% Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.302631


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Cypriots_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 5.739773
2 Cypriots_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.300766
3 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.302631
4 Druze_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.321532
5 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 6.412203
6 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.498764
7 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.607988
8 Morocco_Jews_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.746678
9 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.764153
10 Druze_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.783437
11 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.812091
12 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.820997
13 Cypriots_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 6.824886
14 Egyptans_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.836197
15 Cypriots_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.915627
16 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.916669
17 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Sardinian_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 6.919785
18 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 6.949029
19 Egyptans_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 6.950157
20 Sardinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 7.005285

Harappaworld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 35.97
2 Caucasian 34.84
3 SW-Asian 17.73
4 NE-Euro 4.90
5 W-African 4.58


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 morocco-jew_behar @ 12.102773
2 sephardic-jew_behar @ 13.816869
3 ashkenazy-jew_behar @ 18.137794
4 ashkenazi_harappa @ 20.509657
5 cypriot_behar @ 23.608782
6 tuscan_1000genomes @ 23.736700
7 tuscan_hgdp @ 24.125551
8 tuscan_hapmap @ 24.380636
9 lebanese_behar @ 27.162596
10 egypt_henn2012 @ 27.837658
11 jordanian_behar @ 28.855673
12 palestinian_hgdp @ 29.512272
13 turk-aydin_hodoglugil @ 29.712420
14 lebanese-muslim_haber @ 30.240604
15 syrian_behar @ 30.577913
16 samaritian_behar @ 30.712505
17 italian_hgdp @ 30.744425
18 egyptian_behar @ 30.912882
19 lebanese-christian_haber @ 31.144815
20 palestinian_harappa @ 31.250736

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% samaritian_behar +50% sardinian_hgdp @ 5.804632


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% samaritian_behar +25% sardinian_hgdp +25% sardinian_hgdp @ 5.804632


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 druze_hgdp + egyptian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 5.569430
2 druze_hgdp + palestinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 5.677162
3 samaritian_behar + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 5.804632
4 druze_hgdp + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 5.900839
5 druze_hgdp + egypt_henn2012 + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 5.908494
6 cypriot_behar + druze_hgdp + morocco-n_henn2012 + sardinian_hgdp @ 5.953035
7 druze_hgdp + jordanian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.146309
8 lebanese-christian_haber + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.185149
9 palestinian_hgdp + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.334766
10 cypriot_behar + druze_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + tunisia_henn2012 @ 6.349705
11 lebanese-druze_haber + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.364289
12 druze_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + yemenese_behar @ 6.364559
13 jordanian_behar + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.541708
14 druze_hgdp + druze_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + tunisia_henn2012 @ 6.552658
15 lebanese-muslim_haber + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.555630
16 cypriot_behar + druze_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.703466
17 lebanese_behar + samaritian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.712907
18 algeria_henn2012 + cypriot_behar + druze_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.735065
19 lebanese-christian_haber + palestinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 6.764290
20 druze_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + yemen-jew_behar @ 6.777663

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.75
2 West_Med 33.37
3 North_Atlantic 12.96
4 Red_Sea 9.07
5 Northeast_African 2.71
6 West_Asian 1.13


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Algerian_Jewish @ 14.840724
2 Italian_Jewish @ 16.308750
3 Libyan_Jewish @ 18.174273
4 Tunisian_Jewish @ 18.495686
5 Sephardic_Jewish @ 18.621340
6 Tunisian @ 20.171129
7 South_Italian @ 20.946602
8 Ashkenazi @ 21.356678
9 Algerian @ 21.523081
10 West_Sicilian @ 21.820616
11 Mozabite_Berber @ 22.543255
12 East_Sicilian @ 22.560963
13 Moroccan @ 22.664219
14 Central_Greek @ 24.565334
15 Cyprian @ 24.929924
16 Italian_Abruzzo @ 26.455833
17 Tuscan @ 26.701712
18 Samaritan @ 27.731588
19 Egyptian @ 28.705521
20 Greek_Thessaly @ 28.721752

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +50% Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.710071


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +25% Tunisian_Jewish +25% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.466568


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Sardinian + Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.466568
2 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.523258
3 Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.692158
4 Samaritan + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.727956
5 Algerian_Jewish + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.761827
6 Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.900017
7 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.003299
8 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sephardic_Jewish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.303149
9 Cyprian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.311602
10 Palestinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.318964
11 Egyptian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.481665
12 Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.710071
13 Jordanian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.913739
14 Ashkenazi + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 9.012004
15 Sardinian + Sardinian + Tunisian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 9.207011
16 Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 9.348683
17 Bedouin + Sardinian + Sardinian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 9.547159
18 Sardinian + Sardinian + Syrian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 9.645571
19 Egyptian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 9.654491
20 Egyptian + Samaritan + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 9.654618

SharpFork
08-31-2019, 06:07 PM
It seems some eastern admixture might have pushed the population away from being so close to Italians and North Africans.

Gaditanian
08-31-2019, 06:09 PM
Very Low Quality?

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

No shared DNA segments found

109 SNPs used for this comparison.

I can not match, even with the lowest segments

Pine
08-31-2019, 07:10 PM
Very Low Quality?

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

No shared DNA segments found

109 SNPs used for this comparison.

I can not match, even with the lowest segments

I can on that setting:

Largest segment = 3.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 12.3 cM (0.343 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

Sibling and sample:

Largest segment = 3.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 38.4 cM (1.072 Pct)

25 shared segments found for this comparison.

Mom and sample:

Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 43.5 cM (1.214 Pct)

26 shared segments found for this comparison.

Grandma and sample:

Largest segment = 3.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 32.6 cM (0.908 Pct)

21 shared segments found for this comparison

This confirms that the 10 lost tribes were lost to a time chamber and ended up in the Neolithic.

And: This sample isn't from Aydin. It's from Central Anatolia (Çiftlik).

Gaditanian
08-31-2019, 07:17 PM
I can on that setting:

Largest segment = 3.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 12.3 cM (0.343 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

Sibling and sample:

Largest segment = 3.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 38.4 cM (1.072 Pct)

25 shared segments found for this comparison.

Mom and sample:

Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 43.5 cM (1.214 Pct)

26 shared segments found for this comparison.

Grandma and sample:

Largest segment = 3.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 32.6 cM (0.908 Pct)

21 shared segments found for this comparison

This confirms that the 10 lost tribes were lost to a time chamber and ended up in the Neolithic.

And: This sample isn't from Aydin. It's from Central Anatolia (Çiftlik).

Great ! thanks for sharing ! :thumb001:

Pine
08-31-2019, 07:22 PM
Great ! thanks for sharing ! :thumb001:

Still think Ashkenazim are north Europeans?

Rgvgjhvv
08-31-2019, 07:31 PM
Very Low Quality?

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

No shared DNA segments found

109 SNPs used for this comparison.

I can not match, even with the lowest segments


I can on that setting:

Largest segment = 3.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 12.3 cM (0.343 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

Sibling and sample:

Largest segment = 3.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 38.4 cM (1.072 Pct)

25 shared segments found for this comparison.

Mom and sample:

Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 43.5 cM (1.214 Pct)

26 shared segments found for this comparison.

Grandma and sample:

Largest segment = 3.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 32.6 cM (0.908 Pct)

21 shared segments found for this comparison

This confirms that the 10 lost tribes were lost to a time chamber and ended up in the Neolithic.

And: This sample isn't from Aydin. It's from Central Anatolia (Çiftlik).

Largest segment = 4.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 32.3 cM (0.900 Pct)

21 shared segments found for this comparison.

itilvolga
08-31-2019, 07:38 PM
And: This sample isn’t from Aydin. It's from Central Anatolia (Çiftlik).

Makes much more sense.

Lemgrant
08-31-2019, 07:40 PM
I can on that setting:

Largest segment = 3.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 12.3 cM (0.343 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

Sibling and sample:

Largest segment = 3.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 38.4 cM (1.072 Pct)

25 shared segments found for this comparison.

Mom and sample:

Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 43.5 cM (1.214 Pct)

26 shared segments found for this comparison.

Grandma and sample:

Largest segment = 3.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 32.6 cM (0.908 Pct)

21 shared segments found for this comparison

This confirms that the 10 lost tribes were lost to a time chamber and ended up in the Neolithic.

And: This sample isn't from Aydin. It's from Central Anatolia (Çiftlik).

Comparing Kit M510029 (*Tep002 Tepecik-Çiftlik (level 5) c. 6500 BCE (> 8500 BP)) [Migration - V3 - M] and -- (*Lemgrant) [Migration - F2 - A]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 3.9 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 23.2 cM (0.647 Pct)

13 shared segments found for this comparison.

100835 SNPs used for this comparison.

Dorian
08-31-2019, 07:55 PM
What do the gurus see by comparing it with this one?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.44
2 West_Med 31.49
3 North_Atlantic 17.76
4 West_Asian 9.14
5 Red_Sea 4.14
6 Baltic 1.64
7 East_Asian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian_Jewish 10.42
2 Italian_Jewish 10.63
3 South_Italian 10.71
4 West_Sicilian 11.8
5 Sephardic_Jewish 12.26
6 East_Sicilian 13.24
7 Central_Greek 14.17
8 Ashkenazi 14.46
9 Italian_Abruzzo 15.11
10 Tunisian_Jewish 15.25
11 Libyan_Jewish 15.78
12 Tuscan 16.02
13 Greek_Thessaly 18.66
14 Cyprian 18.78
15 North_Italian 21.08
16 Tunisian 23.44
17 Sardinian 23.72
18 Lebanese_Muslim 24.3
19 Algerian 24.33
20 Samaritan 24.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Italian_Jewish + 30.1% Sardinian @ 3.31
2 53.5% Sardinian + 46.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.78
3 67% Sephardic_Jewish + 33% Sardinian @ 4.2
4 71.5% Algerian_Jewish + 28.5% Sardinian @ 4.8
5 61.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 38.3% Sardinian @ 5.1
6 56.3% Cyprian + 43.7% Sardinian @ 5.88
7 61.2% Libyan_Jewish + 38.8% Sardinian @ 6.19
8 52.5% Sardinian + 47.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 6.26
9 72.8% South_Italian + 27.2% Sardinian @ 6.46
10 50.7% Sardinian + 49.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.69
11 51.1% Sardinian + 48.9% Samaritan @ 6.94
12 53.8% Sardinian + 46.2% Palestinian @ 7.06
13 64.4% Ashkenazi + 35.6% Sardinian @ 7.3
14 58% Sardinian + 42% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.36
15 57.7% Sardinian + 42.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.61
16 86% Algerian_Jewish + 14% French_Basque @ 7.94
17 52% Sardinian + 48% Syrian @ 7.96
18 54.3% Sardinian + 45.7% Jordanian @ 7.97
19 57.5% Sardinian + 42.5% Assyrian @ 8.35
20 83.1% Algerian_Jewish + 16.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 8.39

Gaditanian
08-31-2019, 08:16 PM
Still think Ashkenazim are north Europeans?

It's very hard for me to think otherwise when I see people like these, I don't know if they are exceptions, but they exists

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b4b1e95a2efa2d225488be09664b5402.webp

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4kQSGPjOjJo/hqdefault.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/jewishwdev/uploads/2019/02/pic3-michael-aloni-1024x640.jpg

Pine
08-31-2019, 08:20 PM
It's very hard for me to think otherwise when I see people like these, I don't know if they are exceptions, but they exists

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b4b1e95a2efa2d225488be09664b5402.webp

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4kQSGPjOjJo/hqdefault.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/jewishwdev/uploads/2019/02/pic3-michael-aloni-1024x640.jpg

Last one shows clear Middle Eastern influence. Second one shows it slightly and yes - all three are exceptions pigment wise. Also, red hair is an ancient Israelite trait. And all 3 plot south of you.

Lemgrant
08-31-2019, 08:40 PM
https://i.imgur.com/pLAwUMI.png
https://i.imgur.com/LUCBed1.png

Marmara
08-31-2019, 08:50 PM
Is there a date? This results seem more Chalcolithic than Neolithic.

Lemgrant
08-31-2019, 08:55 PM
.


Minoan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245585-Ancient-Greek-kits-re-uploaded&p=5158307&viewfull=1#post5158307

Leto
08-31-2019, 08:57 PM
Last one shows clear Middle Eastern influence. Second one shows it slightly and yes - all three are exceptions pigment wise. Also, red hair is an ancient Israelite trait. And all 3 plot south of you.
Pure Semite Ahed Tamimi (عهد التميمي) (unlike those Roman Khazars :lol:)
https://images.haarets.co.il/image/upload/w_1719,h_999,x_0,y_321,c_crop,g_north_west/w_609,h_343,q_auto,c_fill,f_auto/fl_any_format.preserve_transparency.progressive:no ne/v1554738038/1.7105270.1687207305.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/20180807_Ahed_Tamimi_West_Bank_Palestine_2.jpg/400px-20180807_Ahed_Tamimi_West_Bank_Palestine_2.jpg

Tamimi has been described as one of the new symbols of Palestinian resistance to Israeli military occupation in the West Bank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahed_Tamimi

She sure plots south of you.

Pine
08-31-2019, 09:04 PM
Pure Semite Ahed Tamimi (عهد التميمي) (unlike those Roman Khazars :lol:)
[IMG]https://images.haarets.co.il/image/upload/w_1719,h_999,x_0,y_321,c_crop,g_north_west/w_609,h_343,q_auto,c_fill,f_auto/fl_any_format.preserve_transparency.progressive:no ne/v1554738038/1.7105270.1687207305.jpg[/IG]
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/20180807_Ahed_Tamimi_West_Bank_Palestine_2.jpg/400px-20180807_Ahed_Tamimi_West_Bank_Palestine_2.jpg[/MG]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahed_Tamimi

She sure plots south of you.

Which strengthens my point.

Leto
08-31-2019, 09:15 PM
Which strengthens my point.
Well, whitish looking people in non-European Caucasoid countries are not a novelty (even though they might be rare). This summer an Azerbaijani jet pilot crashed into the Caspian see. RIP. This is how the guy looked. I've seen many Azerbaijanis and none looked like him
https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/4d2d3f43e9770f0f96ae6d941e5f1804/5DC974BF/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/67149724_3204527829559141_236989860091030671_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com
He was not an ethnic Russian, a guy named Rəşad Atakişiyev from a village in Northwestern Azerbaijan doesn't sound Russian to me.

Token
08-31-2019, 09:23 PM
High frequency of blondism among Jews is most certainly due to light hair and eyes being overrepresented in the very small, post bottleneck Jewish population of Central Europe. Jews acquired Central Europe admixture (ca. 10%) during this bottleneck event, and lets have in mind that heathen Germans of Central Europe were predominantly blond at the time (based on their genetic profile).

Dorian
08-31-2019, 09:28 PM
Autosomal doesn't matter as long as you know that such recessive genes have been introduced into a population,after that it's a matter of chances for two people who carry them to mate(and still not always expressed), you could hypothetically turn any component to look like anything with enough selection.

SharpFork
08-31-2019, 09:40 PM
High frequency of blondism among Jews is most certainly due to light hair and eyes being overrepresented in the very small, post bottleneck Jewish population of Central Europe. Jews acquired Central Europe admixture (ca. 10%) during this bottleneck event, and lets have in mind that heathen Germans of Central Europe were predominantly blond at the time (based on their genetic profile).
Just bottleneck or was it selected for?

Token
08-31-2019, 09:44 PM
Just bottleneck or was it selected for?

By selection you mean sexual selection?

SharpFork
08-31-2019, 09:53 PM
By selection you mean sexual selection?
Any kind really. Anything other than chance.

Token
08-31-2019, 09:56 PM
Any kind really. Anything other than chance.

It is basically impossible to measure such things, but the bottleneck event is probably the main reason.

Leto
08-31-2019, 09:58 PM
Autosomal doesn't matter as long as you know that such recessive genes have been introduced into a population,after that it's a matter of chances for two people who carry them to mate(and still not always expressed), you could hypothetically turn any component to look like anything with enough selection.
Had South America been colonized by Northern Europeans, there would have been more light mestizos and pardos out there.

SharpFork
08-31-2019, 09:58 PM
It is basically impossible to measure such things, but the bottleneck event is probably the main reason.
Well if a population has a particular high increase in a phenotypical trait it's hard to say it's just chance, that was my question.

Pine
09-01-2019, 12:54 AM
High frequency of blondism among Jews is most certainly due to light hair and eyes being overrepresented in the very small, post bottleneck Jewish population of Central Europe. Jews acquired Central Europe admixture (ca. 10%) during this bottleneck event, and lets have in mind that heathen Germans of Central Europe were predominantly blond at the time (based on their genetic profile).

What's this high frequency?