do you believe he is half Viet ?

[Jana]

Marcel Nguyen

Nguyen was born in Munich, West Germany, in 1987 to a German mother and a Central Vietnamese father.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/OT_Berlin_09-13_Marcel_Nguyen.jpg/472px-OT_Berlin_09-13_Marcel_Nguyen.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/4e/a5/bd4ea55c39fafe21e43eeea09710106b.jpg
https://img.br.de/dfa78b9a-7c2f-4014-bc55-42a0cc01d103.jpeg?q=80&rect=22,69,1258,708&w=1600&h=900
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/22/10/1822103a8b5bf652ff61eced11f59f9c.jpg
https://www.welt.de/img/regionales/hamburg/mobile156550559/9822503797-ci102l-w1024/Germany-s-Marcel-Nguyen-performs-during.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D685H8/german-gymnast-marcel-nguyen-prepares-for-an-exercise-for-the-media-D685H8.jpg
http://www.ernestborel.ch/images/latest_news/20130822_1_1.jpg
https://pics.wikifeet.com/Marcel-Nguyen-Feet-3490918.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/fb/9b/d2fb9b24859c54b32971be5aeb2bad93.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D69E9C/germanys-marcel-nguyen-celebrates-after-winning-the-silver-medal-in-D69E9C.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DAJF84/german-gymnast-marcel-nguyen-celebrates-after-winning-the-beam-final-DAJF84.jpg

[Marmara]

I wouldn't guess but i can believe.

[Jana]

Honestly I would NEVER guess. He looks just like typical brunet German, his face is so German in many ways
except little bit epicantic fold in some pics (which I wouldn't notice without knowing he is half Asian, and some Europeans can have it too)

Really strange.

[Jana]

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Marcel+Nguyen+Tarzan+Premieres+Stage+Apollo+g9g5pi XFKtUl.jpg

[Seya]

I’m not so surprised. This guy is supposed to be half filipino
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2NTkyOTY1MTMx/i-heart-radio-concert---arrivals.jpg

[RenaRyuguu]

idk why these countries have categories. He's part white part Mongol and that's it nothing wrong with that moving on

[Rico33]

This is because certain mongoloid traits are already in Europeans. These overlappings may create this relatively neutral look.

[Jana]

I’m not so surprised. This guy is supposed to be half filipino
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2NTkyOTY1MTMx/i-heart-radio-concert---arrivals.jpg

Yeah I would never guess that too. Always tought Enrique was typical Spanish

[Dick]

can probably pass as a turk

[Zmey Gorynych]

He has mongoloid features like the epichantic fold and the alignment of his frontal upper teeth but I wouldn't guess that he's half asian, maybe a quarter. I noticed that asians have another feature that distinguishes them from both europeans and africans and that is the chest area - specifically the position of the sternum which seems to be set a bit deeper.

[Jana]

This is because certain mongoloid traits are already in Europeans. These overlappings may create this relatively neutral look.

can probably pass as a turk

Really ? Apart from darker coloring, I would guess him German/Austrian somewhere on the street. His facial features look very typical German imo
That smile/mouth area and jaw especially

[Rico33]

He has mongoloid features like the epichantic fold and the alignment of his frontal upper teeth but I wouldn't guess that he's half asian, maybe a quarter. I noticed that asians have another feature that distinguishes them from both europeans and africans and that is the chest area - specifically the position of the sternum which seems to be set a bit deeper.

He kind of had it. And I have it too, except I am 100% native.

[Rico33]

Really ? Apart from darker coloring, I would guess him German/Austrian somewhere on the street. His facial features look very typical German imo
That smile/mouth area and jaw especially

That is what I am saying, many of the traits Europeans have, especially the refining ones, are asiatic in origin. They affect the angle of the skull as well, he has kind of an occipital bun, except that it is kind of pushed upward at the back, which I think is because of the skull base. Many Europeans already inherited thru ancestry.

[Lousianaboy]

Looks Eastern European

[Jana]

Looks Eastern European

I don't agree...

[Zmey Gorynych]

He kind of had it. And I have it too, except I am 100% native.
You mean the chest(position of the sternum)? Well, amerindians are part of the mongoloid race so no surprise there.

[Rico33]

You mean the chest(position of the sternum)? Well, amerindians are part of the mongoloid race so no surprise there.
I am a native European. Hahaha. But it is still not rare to have it. Confusing?

[Rico33]

I don't agree...

Me neither. Asiatic traits itself doesn't make someone eastern European in looks.

[Zmey Gorynych]

I am a native European. Hahaha. But it is still not rare to have it. Confusing?
Ohh sorry I thought that by Native you meant native american. Never seen an European with that trait.

[Rico33]

Ohh sorry I thought that by Native you meant native american. Never seen an European with that trait.
You have to pay attention to it. It is not something you can park a bike in...

[Jana]

one more photo

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Marcel_Nguyen_Foto.jpg

here he does have east euro vibe, but otherwise i don't think so

[Dick]

Really ? Apart from darker coloring, I would guess him German/Austrian somewhere on the street. His facial features look very typical German imo
That smile/mouth area and jaw especially
thats what i would think if you didnt mention he was mixed. he looks like a turanized nordid actually

[Jana]

thats what i would think if you didnt mention he was mixed. he looks like a turanized nordid actually

Could he fit as Tatar perhaps ?

[Dick]

Could he fit as Tatar perhaps ?

maybe he is how the Gepid sample looked like(half germanic/asian) xD

[1R0N M4N XL]

he doesnt look half white at all. I wouldn't guess.

[Nurzat]

thats what i would think if you didnt mention he was mixed. he looks like a turanized nordid actually

dunno but I think we could be relatives, he has a Nurzatov family vibe

[Rico33]

he doesnt look half white at all. I wouldn't guess.

You are the first one or maybe the only one who thinks that.

[Jana]

You are the first one or maybe the only one who thinks that.

He means he looks fully European not just half, I presume

[Egyvalaki]

Interesting. I can't see the mong features in him but i never would guess him german, maybe i would say Bulgarian or Romanian, but yeah, i'm not good in guessing :)

[michal3141]

Turanized for sure like Tatars or some Volgaic tribes. Would I believe he is half Viet and half German? Yes I would. Still I wouldn't have guessed.

[1R0N M4N XL]

I’m not so surprised. This guy is supposed to be half filipino
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2NTkyOTY1MTMx/i-heart-radio-concert---arrivals.jpg

his mom is a filipina-mestiza already.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/55/95/ee/5595ee5f2f3950df01749a76253cf011--enrique-iglesias-style-icons.jpg

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/bd135d9ae2841bc5c721802f1dbf460c1c1ba06.jpg

[1R0N M4N XL]

You are the first one or maybe the only one who thinks that.


He means he looks fully European not just half, I presume

what i mean is that he looks fully european. I see no traces of Vietnamese genetics in him.

[Rico33]

what i mean is that he looks fully european. I see no traces of Vietnamese genetics in him.

On the other hand, if you see similar traits in a full European, it means that there is already a mongoloid admixture. Confusing ?

[Jana]

I posted my friend this morning who is half Croat half Filipino and looks drastically different from this guy, almost fully SE Asian and can pass as Kazakh or Mestizo too, nothing visibly European about him.

[1R0N M4N XL]

You are the first one or maybe the only one who thinks that.


On the other hand, if you see similar traits in a full European, it means that there is already a mongoloid admixture. Confusing ?

yes its confusing

[michal3141]

yes its confusing

It's not really confusing if you know that Europeans already have Asian genetics from ANE (Ancient North Eurasians) who were half Mongoloid.
All Europeans are partially Mongoloid, especially Northern Europeans but also Southern Europeans to some degree.

[KingOf]

Reminded me of German footballer Julian Draxler

https://cdn.hitc-s.com/i/151/1227px_fifa_wc_qualification_2014_austria_vs_germa ny_2012_09_11__47509.jpg

[Impaler]

He looks like he has some Asian influence, but I wouldn't guess him as half Asian. By the way, he looks very effeminate, maybe from his Asian genes.

[1R0N M4N XL]

It's not really confusing if you know that Europeans already have Asian genetics from ANE (Ancient North Eurasians) who were half Mongoloid.
All Europeans are partially Mongoloid, especially Northern Europeans but also Southern Europeans to some degree.

i thought it was only russians, finnish, and turks who have a little bit of mongoloid because of the mongols. I have never heard of the Germans having mongol ancestry.

Putin for example looks like he have little bit of mongol dna in him.

[michal3141]

i thought it was only russians, finnish, and turks who have a little bit of mongoloid because of the mongols. I have never heard of the Germans having mongol ancestry.

Putin for example looks like he have little bit of mongol dna in him.

Because the more to the east and north in Europe you go, the more Mongoloid admixture in general but it doesn't mean Western Europe have no Mongoloid ancestry.
It's an ancient ancestry and much older than first known civilizations on our planet.

Below is the map you may be interested in. ANE is Ancient North Eurasian and it's a component that is roughly half Mongoloid.
EEA is a more recent East Asian ancestry like the one that came with Mongols, Huns etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/European_DNA_admixture.png

For example, Northern Europeans have like 14-17% of ANE, which means 7-9% Mongoloid-like that is very ancient.

[Rico33]

i thought it was only russians, finnish, and turks who have a little bit of mongoloid because of the mongols. I have never heard of the Germans having mongol ancestry.

Putin for example looks like he have little bit of mongol dna in him.
Before the mongols, there were the Huns and then the Avars. They had probably a bigger impact in Central Europe than Mongols in Eastern Europe.

[michal3141]

Before the mongols, there were the Huns and then the Avars. They had probably a bigger impact in Central Europe than Mongols in Eastern Europe.

And before Huns there were Steppe Indoeuropeans with their partially Mongoloid EHG admixture, and before Steppe Indoeuropeans there were Amerindian-like tribes coming to Europe from Southern Siberia and so on. It's an old story.

[aherne]

Actually he looks French (!). Very odd...

[Rico33]

Actually he looks French (!). Very odd...

Yet, it would explain alot. Many European phenotypes are simply part mongoloid.

He looks more Eastern French than western.

[Universe]

I’m not so surprised. This guy is supposed to be half filipino
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2NTkyOTY1MTMx/i-heart-radio-concert---arrivals.jpg

His mother is not really filipino, but a filipino mestiza(spanish + native filipino mix). So he's much less than 50% asian genetically.

[Universe]

The half viet guy looks like a dark haired Marko Reus. Some mixes lean to one side others lean to the other. There are half asian half whites who look fully asian to me.
Meghan Markle with straight hair looks South euro or mena to me. Mixes are just too random when it comes to phenos, they can look anything.

[1R0N M4N XL]

Because the more to the east and north in Europe you go, the more Mongoloid admixture in general but it doesn't mean Western Europe have no Mongoloid ancestry.
It's an ancient ancestry and much older than first known civilizations on our planet.

Below is the map you may be interested in. ANE is Ancient North Eurasian and it's a component that is roughly half Mongoloid.
EEA is a more recent East Asian ancestry like the one that came with Mongols, Huns etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/European_DNA_admixture.png

For example, Northern Europeans have like 14-17% of ANE, which means 7-9% Mongoloid-like that is very ancient.

THANKS!! I looked in up about the ANE, they are suppose to be related to Native Americans, Eskimos, South Asians, East Asians.

I did not know that, well now I know.


And before Huns there were Steppe Indoeuropeans with their partially Mongoloid EHG admixture, and before Steppe Indoeuropeans there were Amerindian-like tribes coming to Europe from Southern Siberia and so on. It's an old story.


do you have the historical study about this amerindian-like tribes? that is very interesting to me.

[Insuperable]

It happens, nothing too strange about these outcomes. Or maybe mom was very good with postman/milkman.

[1R0N M4N XL]

Before the mongols, there were the Huns and then the Avars. They had probably a bigger impact in Central Europe than Mongols in Eastern Europe.

and before that.. they were (ANE) Mal'ta–Buret type people from the ice age.

yeah, I forgot about the huns. I have to read about avars as well.

[Jana]

It happens, nothing too strange about these outcomes. Or maybe mom was very good with postman/milkman.

I tought maybe his mother cheated her husband with local German/European man.

[michal3141]

THANKS!! I looked in up about the ANE, they are suppose to be related to Native Americans, Eskimos, South Asians, East Asians.

I did not know that, well now I know.




do you have the historical study about this amerindian-like tribes? that is very interesting to me.

Amerindian-like, ANE-like. Basically some Siberian and Asian populations that have migrated to Europe thousands years ago.

East European Hunters Gatherers (EHG) had a lot of ANE ancestry already 7000-5000 BC.

More on that:

https://indo-european.info/ie/R1a-M420_and_East_Hunter-Gatherers

[Seya]

Interesting. I can't see the mong features in him but i never would guess him german, maybe i would say Bulgarian or Romanian, but yeah, i'm not good in guessing :)

i have never seen a romanian looking like this

[Egyvalaki]

i have never seen a romanian looking like this

That's why i said i'm not good in guessing.

[Kivan]

Looks pred. like a brunette Corded type.

I can see a slightly Mongoloid influence in some photos depending on the angle.

[Grace O'Malley]

I’m not so surprised. This guy is supposed to be half filipino
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2NTkyOTY1MTMx/i-heart-radio-concert---arrivals.jpg

His mother is only partially Filipina so Enrique would be a 1/4. This newsreader from my town is 1/4 Chinese. Her name is Angela Tsun.

https://frostsnow.com/uploads/biography/2017/01/22/angela-tsun.jpg

With her husband and children.

https://images.perthnow.com.au/publication/B88787981Z/1523694397138_GEC1HRR8O.1-1.jpg?imwidth=668&impolicy=pn_v3

[The Great Uniter]

Yes. Because of Asian feet. He does look wimpy.

[Oghuz]

He looks like dutch indonesian.

[Alenka]

Knowing his ancestry, I do notice the diluted Mongoloid traits in him. But he indeed is among the more Caucasoid-looking Hapas.

[Rico33]

He looks like dutch indonesian.

Geert Wilders is another good example of someone with asiatic traits that go 'unnoticed'. He is part Indonesian.

[GaneshD'Souza]

I’m not so surprised. This guy is supposed to be half filipino
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2NTkyOTY1MTMx/i-heart-radio-concert---arrivals.jpg

Why are you surprised? Thats what a lot of half Filipinos look like. He has black hair and tan skin like a lot of half Filipinos. I dont know what universe Enrique Iglesias passes as white. He doesn't look white at all.

And his mom looks more Asian than Spanish
https://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2019/08/14/gente/1565771860_673074_1565773026_noticia_normal.jpg
People in Spain consider her Filipino, not Spanish.

But her sister looks full white
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/480251969315930112/XJ5pL65g.jpeg
I actually saw this woman^ in a mall in the Philippines and I thought she was a foreign white lady, until I heard her speaking Tagalog. She's technically full Filipino

[Universe]

Why are you surprised? Thats what a lot of half Filipinos look like. He has black hair and tan skin like a lot of half Filipinos. I dont know what universe Enrique Iglesias passes as white. He doesn't look white at all.

And his mom looks more Asian than Spanish
https://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2019/08/14/gente/1565771860_673074_1565773026_noticia_normal.jpg
People in Spain consider her Filipino, not Spanish.

But her sister looks full white
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/480251969315930112/XJ5pL65g.jpeg
I actually saw this woman^ in a mall in the Philippines and I thought she was a foreign white lady, until I heard her speaking Tagalog. She's technically full Filipino
The point is Enrique's mother is a mestiza, not your avarage filipino. So Enrique is much more than 50% euro genetically.

Enrique doesn't look "anglo-white"/Northern european of course, but he passes in southern Europe.

[GaneshD'Souza]

The point is Enrique's mother is a mestiza, not your avarage filipino. So Enrique is much more than 50% euro genetically.

Enrique doesn't look "anglo-white"/Northern european of course, but he passes in southern Europe.

When I was in Italy and Spain, I almost never saw people who looked like Enrique Iglesias, unless they were Latin American immigrants. He doesn't look white at all

[Jana]

When I was in Italy and Spain, I almost never saw people who looked like Enrique Iglesias, unless they were Latin American immigrants. He doesn't look white at all

False. I am European and would never guess he is non White just by looking at him and neither would people I know.

[chociprasa]

Yes. Could pass in Kazakhstan, or as an atypical Sami, in Europe.

[Jana]

Why are you surprised? Thats what a lot of half Filipinos look like. He has black hair and tan skin like a lot of half Filipinos.

Ahaha, and full Iberians don't have black hair and tan skin lmao. Please stop. Lot of Europeans, not only southern do and they don't have foreign ancestry.

[chociprasa]

Geert Wilders is another good example of someone with asiatic traits that go 'unnoticed'. He is part Indonesian.

He isn’t half-Indonesian, though.

[Jana]

Yes. Could pass in Kazakhstan, or as an atypical Sami, in Europe.

Ok, show us Kazakh who look like that so we can all get good laugh :laugh: :picard2:
Show us, we are all eager to see them.

[Universe]

When I was in Italy and Spain, I almost never saw people who looked like Enrique Iglesias, unless they were Latin American immigrants. He doesn't look white at all
Why didn't I get notification for this reply?

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I learned he's part filipino only on anthroforums. Prior to anthrofora I just thought he's a Spanish guy.

Sikeliot posted many southern Italians posted as exotic or more exotic than him (he's banned now)

Also users on italicroots(other anthroforum) like to post Iberians more exotic than him

This is greek national soccer team: https://mbmediasolutions.photoshelter.com/gallery/Greece/G0000U1DNGAKChQI/0/C0000PBrM6rImh1s
how doen't Enrique fit in there? He wouldn't even be the most exotic individual.

and I don't care for that bullshit white term here, it's usually equated with northern euro looks. There are southern europeans who aren't really "white" looking.