Szekely people are genetically close to romanians or hungarians?

[Maintenance]

Yes. And I am sorry I said I would like IncelSlayer back (this Englishman is his sock)

Its not his sock lmfao

[Blondie]

Dude, i told you how many times in this thread, post autosomal proof, y-dna of Arpad or old magyars lines is absolutely irrelevant.
And no, you have not posted any genetic proof, you posted a historical quote one that you tried to pass as genetic proof and i have debunked you, now you're back at posting y-dna.
You do not have any proof that hungarians are turkic, there is no such thing in existence, you are larping as a turkic while being genetically european.

Yes he is lying, because ottomans and Árpáds had r1a-z93 iranic haplogroup (not turkic!), which originated from East Europe (unlike turks):

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The Indo-Iranian migrations have resulted in high R1a frequencies in southern Central Asia, Iran and the Indian subcontinent. The highest frequency of R1a (about 65%) is reached in a cluster around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan. In India and Pakistan, R1a ranges from 15 to 50% of the population, depending on the region, ethnic group and caste. R1a is generally stronger is the North-West of the subcontinent, and weakest in the Dravidian-speaking South (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh) and from Bengal eastward. Over 70% of the Brahmins (highest caste in Hindusim) belong to R1a1, due to a founder effect.

Maternal lineages in South Asia are, however, overwhelmingly pre-Indo-European. For instance, India has over 75% of "native" mtDNA M and R lineages and 10% of East Asian lineages. In the residual 15% of haplogroups, approximately half are of Middle Eastern origin. Only about 7 or 8% could be of "Russian" (Pontic-Caspian steppe) origin, mostly in the form of haplogroup U2 and W (although the origin of U2 is still debated). European mtDNA lineages are much more common in Central Asia though, and even in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. This suggests that the Indo-European invasion of India was conducted mostly by men through war. The first major settlement of Indo-Aryan women was in northern Pakistan, western India (Punjab to Gujarat) and northern India (Uttar Pradesh), where haplogroups U2 and W are the most common today."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/indo-european-indo-iranian-migrations-1100x481.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2iTB3tXcAEy_Nh.jpg

[Jana]

Its not his sock lmfao

It is. Even writes Gipsi instead of Gypsy, like he always does.

[ProudBrit]

Hungary is divided society (speaking about nationalists, not average people who are majority). There is pro-Turkic, Eurasianist, steppe brotherhood group with clear anti-western views and there are Nordicist neo-nazis who like to stress how white and Germanic shifted Hungarians are in comparison with Romanians, for example. There is also a third eastern oriented group hostile to Turks and oriented towards Russia (Blogen for example), but they are least numerous of the 3.
no thats just Stears,who would kill to even be seen as a second-hand german(same as you would before getting a dna test),he really has no dignity,pride.

[Jana]

no thats just Stears,who would kill to even be seen as a second-hand german(same as you would before getting a dna test),he really has no dignity,pride.

Hello Magyar-Horvat brother :)

[Jana]

And he is wrong, neo nazi scene is very strong in Hungary.

http://hooliganstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/128.jpg

[Turul Karom]

How much central asian, NE asian or east asian do you score for example? You can include siberian and amerindian as well if you like. But, to be consider turkic you need to speak a turkic language by definition

Good thing there are linguists who consider Hungarian Turkic. But to be safe, I will learn Old Turkic so I can be the purest by your criteria of how to define an ethnicity.


Lies.
Let's debunk this one by one.

YOU.AND.99.99999%.OF.HUNGARIANS.ARE.NOT.OSMAN.OR.A RPAD.OR.ANY.OLD.MAGYAR
Anything that is not an autosomal study from you is regarded automatically as thrash.

The context was me asking you to post genetic proof of modern hungarians being autosomally turkic and you provided me firstly an image, which had a quote, from 1990 from a history book, not backed up by any genetics, when i've pointed how useless it is you changed the subject and then you've started this whole victimization process .

Again, lies.I have never said this, stop this victimization crap.

Would you like to see the rest of the study? You could always just click and read for yourself. I posted plenty of genetics. Also I match three conqueror and one Hun era grave. They did include two separate autosomal tests in the study.

You can't dispute my matches.

Also you cannot backpedal on calling that Hungarians don't exist as a people but are just brainwashed ethnics from surrounding nations. It is not victimization, it is a quote. I also said that humans have done such things since the beginning, seeking ways to delegitimize one another. I am not surprised a sock account is participating in it as well.


World9

Hungarian

0.40 Amerindian
0.30 East Asian
0.00 African
68.33 Atlantic-Baltic
0.20 Australasian
1.50 Siberian
14.99 Caucasus gedrosia
13.89 Southern
0.40 South Asia

Random northern Swedish kit

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 76.49
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 9.69
3 Southern 8.62
4 Siberian 2.79
5 South_Asian 1.95
6 African 0.25
7 Australasian 0.21


So Swedish turan pride

Are we aware of who they are? You know that it is not confined to literally one ethnic group? We have a self-identified Romanian-Cuman in this very thread. One would think she would appreciate a Turkic ally next door, but ah well.


You are the biggest liar propagandist lol

You always said old magyars were turkic, ALWAYS, i debunked it with many genetic source that they were not only turkic but uralic, germanic etc too. You have never said they were uralic-turkic or something (only after i debunked you) you always said they were turkic and saying it is bullshit and that's why you deny their other roots because you always call them turkic.

I never denied their other admixtures. I say Turkic because I believe that that is the largest portion relevant to the ethnogenesis of the Hungarian people. Y


And you called my white supremacist, nazi, so what? You also said many things for me what i never said. Don't be hypocrite.

Quote me exactly where I call you a white supremacist. Also it does not count if I am asking you a question, because asking you a question is me actively trying to have an honest dialogue and discover your beliefs, while you do not ask me but speak for me to others. Page 13, post 126. You even misrepresent how I identify myself.


This is not true. Old magyars were uralic and they got turkic influence later.

Bullshit. "magyar" name came from Megyer tribe, they had magyar identity or can you prove this tribe didn't exist before Etelköz? I wait...

Want to tell me who Ügyek was?

[/QUOTE]I have never said it you liar. [/QUOTE]

That was a questioning statement, not a claim or a direct quote of something you said. I know you're desperate for a "gotcha" after being called out and sourced regarding your bad faith on page 13, post 126, but that is alright. I'm sure if you keep trying you'll get me one day. I'm only human after all.


Leaders were only 10-15% of compelte population, so a tiny minority and yes they got tons of turkic influence. But there are also tons of old magyar name which is not turkic.

How did they become leaders? How did Turkics weasel their way into Hungarian leadership?

Also your Brit friend claims we don't exist as even "Hungarians". How do you feel about that?

[Blondie]

Hungary is divided society (speaking about nationalists, not average people who are majority). There is pro-Turkic, Eurasianist, steppe brotherhood group with clear anti-western views and there are Nordicist neo-nazis who like to stress how white and Germanic shifted Hungarians are in comparison with Romanians, for example. There is also a third eastern oriented group hostile to Turks and oriented towards Russia (Blogen for example), but they are least numerous of the 3.

Totally wrong. Hungarians are not nordicist, i have never seen nordicist hungarians. Majority of hungarians are magyar nationalist with any meta-ethno identity, they consider themselves only hungarian nothing else. A tiny minority is turkic lover, other minority is iranic lover. Hungarians have no germanic or slavic identity, only some people who have german roots but they can't speak german.

[Pribislav]

Only for Stears. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWPCVMEsyeM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf-Q9rAieWU

[ProudBrit]

Good thing there are linguists who consider Hungarian Turkic. But to be safe, I will learn Old Turkic so I can be the purest by your criteria of how to define an ethnicity.
Would you like to see the rest of the study? You could always just click and read for yourself. I posted plenty of genetics. Also I match three conqueror and one Hun era grave. They did include two separate autosomal tests in the study.
You can't dispute my matches.
Also you cannot backpedal on calling that Hungarians don't exist as a people but are just brainwashed ethnics from surrounding nations. It is not victimization, it is a quote. I also said that humans have done such things since the beginning, seeking ways to delegitimize one another. I am not surprised a sock account is participating in it as well.

There is NOTHING in that study, no autosomal turkic link of hungarians compared to their neighbours, no turkic proof of hungarians.Do you understand this?
I have NEVER said that HUNGARIANS do not exist as a people but that TURKIC hungarians are a myth!
Its irrelevant if you match or not, maybe you do but then again unless you are like 3rd recent cousin with that grave 99% of your dna will still be european.
You are lying without any shame, because you have no genetic proof.

[Thracian]

Heres mine for comparison

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.48
2 Baltic 23.21
3 East_Med 14.73
4 West_Med 13.58
5 West_Asian 8.88
6 Siberian 2.96
7 South_Asian 1.61
8 Red_Sea 1.49
9 East_Asian 1.03
10 Oceanian 1
11 Amerindian 0.74
12 Sub-Saharan 0.3

I am fully Turkish. To compare our Mongoloid admixtures I posted my K13 results as well.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.42
2 North_Atlantic 17.95
3 West_Asian 17.67
4 Baltic 16.88
5 West_Med 15.57
6 Red_Sea 5.02
7 South_Asian 3.95
8 Siberian 2.84
9 Amerindian 0.36
10 Oceanian 0.25
11 East_Asian 0.1

[Turul Karom]

@Turul Karom
I applaud you for keeping cool and not resorting to insults and hatred even though you are outnumbered by your opponents.

My ancestors were forged in the battles of Pozsony, outnumbered and against the same theory that we had not a right to exist even in our yurts. I think I can handle a casual internet discussion. Hungarians are used to taking on the odds.

Thanks for your support.


Its not his sock lmfao

Oh yes, lol, I am so sure that an English guy is really behind that account when the first posts they make on TA and claim to know so much about are in a thread about Hungarians and their genetics.


no thats just Stears,who would kill to even be seen as a second-hand german(same as you would before getting a dna test),he really has no dignity,pride.

Stears is stears and he is unique all his own. He will come around to the Turkic side his heritage or not on his own terms, in his own time, on his own level of appreciation. Why not take up your personal issues with him, since apparently you will have some weird hate for the man?

I'm sure he would love to hear how you think Hungarians do not exist.....

[Blondie]

I never denied their other admixtures. I say Turkic because I believe that that is the largest portion relevant to the ethnogenesis of the Hungarian people.

Being turkic is linguistically thing because turkic nations have different genetic let's compare turks with yakuts for example, hungarians have never been turkic speakers. You can't call them turkic.



Quote me exactly where I call you a white supremacist. Also it does not count if I am asking you a question, because asking you a question is me actively trying to have an honest dialogue and discover your beliefs, while you do not ask me but speak for me to others. Page 13, post 126. You even misrepresent how I identify myself.

I have no time to find and quote conversations what happened half or more years ago. But you also called me Stears (and you reported me to Loki because of it) or nordicist too, that's fact.


That was a questioning statement, not a claim or a direct quote of something you said. I know you're desperate for a "gotcha" after being called out and sourced regarding your bad faith on page 13, post 126, but that is alright. I'm sure if you keep trying you'll get me one day. I'm only human after all.

Blah blah can you prove there was no megyer tribe before Etelköz? Yes or not? And by the way medieval hungarians have never called themselves turkic, that's another fact...



How did they become leaders? How did Turkics weasel their way into Hungarian leadership?

Because khazars enslaved and opressed them.

[ProudBrit]

And he is wrong, neo nazi scene is very strong in Hungary.

Maybe some neo-nazi individuals from Croatia and Hungary, for example look at Hrvoje or Stears, if they were born during Nazi era these boys would be the first to drop down their pants and start sucking to join them
You're only taking Turul side because Stears happens to score some """"conqueror""" and you want to believe that Stears is not gipsy admixed.
Time to wake up, conquerors were not from India, he scores south asian on all gedmatch calculators, DNA.LAND too and even the south-central asian/west asian combo on 23andme.Keep dreaming his 7% italian on 23andme or how much it is comes from 'medieval italian merchants' and its not misinterpreted west asian( i had 1.1% west asian, now i score 1.1% italian with 4 regions) so do all euros I've seen outside Italy who scored west asian

[Turul Karom]

There is NOTHING in that study, no autosomal turkic link of hungarians compared to their neighbours, no turkic proof of hungarians.Do you understand this?
I have NEVER said that HUNGARIANS do not exist as a people but that TURKIC hungarians are a myth!
You are lying without any shame, because you have no genetic proof.

Ooo, see that's where you are telling lies again. You were talking about all Hungarians, and specifically referenced ex "magyar" masters.

https://i.imgur.com/iOB3O78.png

[Leto]

I see some massive trolling going on here...

[Blondie]

And he is wrong, neo nazi scene is very strong in Hungary.

http://hooliganstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/128.jpg

What? :D These peoples are Frenecváros football fans on your pic, they are not neo nazis lol

[Pribislav]

Székelys are most Turkic shifted Hungarian group, now genetically confirmed.

https://i.imgur.com/kVGECEf.png

[ProudBrit]

Ooo, see that's where you are telling lies again. You were talking about all Hungarians, and specifically referenced ex "magyar" masters.

https://i.imgur.com/iOB3O78.png

No, i was talking about TURKIC HUNGARIANS, which only exist in your brain, can you read your own photo even?!
STOP with the lies and this victimization when confronted with proof.

[ProudBrit]

My ancestors were forged in the battles of Pozsony, outnumbered and against the same theory that we had not a right to exist even in our yurts. I think I can handle a casual internet discussion. Hungarians are used to taking on the odds.

Wow im so pumped up by this post that I started doing push ups in my room.

[Seya]

Good thing there are linguists who consider Hungarian Turkic. But to be safe, I will learn Old Turkic so I can be the purest by your criteria of how to define an ethnicity.



Would you like to see the rest of the study? You could always just click and read for yourself. I posted plenty of genetics. Also I match three conqueror and one Hun era grave. They did include two separate autosomal tests in the study.

You can't dispute my matches.

Also you cannot backpedal on calling that Hungarians don't exist as a people but are just brainwashed ethnics from surrounding nations. It is not victimization, it is a quote. I also said that humans have done such things since the beginning, seeking ways to delegitimize one another. I am not surprised a sock account is participating in it as well.



Are we aware of who they are? You know that it is not confined to literally one ethnic group? We have a self-identified Romanian-Cuman in this very thread. One would think she would appreciate a Turkic ally next door, but ah well.


No one considers hungarian to be a turkic language :lol:
That “cuman” identity is just a joke

[Jana]

Totally wrong. Hungarians are not nordicist, i have never seen nordicist hungarians. Majority of hungarians are magyar nationalist with any meta-ethno identity, they consider themselves only hungarian nothing else. A tiny minority is turkic lover, other minority is iranic lover. Hungarians have no germanic or slavic identity, only some people who have german roots but they can't speak german.

Which part that I am speaking about nationalists did you skip?
There are tons of nordicist Hungarians who hate swarthy Romanians and Balkan Slavs and are proud of the fact they have lighter coloring.

[Jana]

What? :D These peoples are Frenecváros football fans on your pic, they are not neo nazis lol

Yes they are. Fradi fans have tons of neo nazis and skinheads.

[Turul Karom]

Being turkic is linguistically thing because turkic nations have different genetic let's compare turks with yakuts for example, hungarians have never been turkic speakers. You can't call them turkic.

How would you even classify these different Turkic nations? I understand your language argument because it has be repacked 100s of times, but what you cannot seem to grasp is that I am asking when, to YOU, does the Hungarian identity "start"? Because I gave a time, but you do not. If you keep going back the protoprotoproto-Hungarians are going to be in Africa soon! lol

You have also told me nothing of Ügyek.


I have no time to find and quote conversations what happened half or more years ago. But you also called me Stears (and you reported me to Loki because of it) or nordicist too, that's fact.

I am very aware you are not Stears, and I don't recall ever having this conversation of reporting you to Loki or anyone else on the forum, but have I acted in bad faith with you in the same vein?

Also........

Don't you remember the whirlwind best selling novel I wrote about us being good friends and fighting space aliens together? You called it a literary masterwork of intrigue, adventure, and thrills! We split the royalties and bought mansions, you even posted pictures of yours and I thought it was very cool. I even sent you a telegram for congratulations.

Want me to remind you of it with proof of our conversations?

Oops, sorry, but I just don't have the time to, despite making all the time to push a thread into the page 30s... lol.


Blah blah can you prove there was no megyer tribe before Etelköz? Yes or not? And by the way medieval hungarians have never called themselves turkic, that's another fact...

It's on the crown. Are you calling our settled kingly and queenly ancestors illiterate?


Because khazars enslaved and opressed them.

It was a military alliance and there is no proof it was oppression. If the Hungarians hated these Turkic "oppressors", why would they be allowed to join as the Kabars at all, and why were the minority elites who were Turkic not killed in vengeance once we were "free"? You're making it up for your narrative.

[Turul Karom]

I see some massive trolling going on here...

Shhhh. It can be fun sometimes. Just let them roll with it.


Székelys are most Turkic shifted Hungarian group, now genetically confirmed.

https://i.imgur.com/kVGECEf.png

That is actually a wikipedia shot. Post actual studies and sources, not wikiquotes. Though I am indeed aware that this popular theory exists indeed.


No, i was talking about TURKIC HUNGARIANS, which only exist in your brain, can you read your own photo even?!
STOP with the lies and this victimization when confronted with proof.

You called us Germanic and Slavic and Baltic magyar larpers. Point to me where you said "Turkic" Hungarians. You did not. You referenced the nations around us. So then, you do believe that magyars are a real people (in spite of your earlier posts)?


Wow im so pumped up by this post that I started doing push ups in my room.

What is your record?


No one considers hungarian to be a turkic language :lol:
That “cuman” identity is just a joke

Ooof, demonstrably not true. There is even a research by PhD Karatay that says that Hungarian and Anatolian Turkish are directly linked.

https://i.imgur.com/fhDB1nV.png


Which part that I am speaking about nationalists did you skip?
There are tons of nordicist Hungarians who hate swarthy Romanians and Balkan Slavs and are proud of the fact they have lighter coloring.

I find it more interesting that Blondie has not defended the existence of Hungarians as a people when her erstwhile ally said that we are a "cuck nation" who do not really exist but are just magyarized versions of nations around us.

[ProudBrit]

You called us Germanic and Slavic and Baltic magyar larpers. Point to me where you said "Turkic" Hungarians. You did not. You referenced the nations around us. So then, you do believe that magyars are a real people (in spite of your earlier posts)?



https://i.ibb.co/vk3JdwK/magyar.png
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299790-Szekely-people-are-genetically-close-to-romanians-or-hungarians&p=6393909&highlight=#post6393909

I can't hate what does not exist.
You're just a bunch of slavs,germans,balkanites with you larping as your ex-magyar masters, can't get more of a cuck than that.

[Kökény]

I am fully Turkish. To compare our Mongoloid admixtures I posted my K13 results as well.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.42
2 North_Atlantic 17.95
3 West_Asian 17.67
4 Baltic 16.88
5 West_Med 15.57
6 Red_Sea 5.02
7 South_Asian 3.95
8 Siberian 2.84
9 Amerindian 0.36
10 Oceanian 0.25
11 East_Asian 0.1

Thanks for posting your results.
Interesting. :) Our siberian is really close.
What do you think about my east asian? Is it really just noise?

[Blondie]

Yes they are. Fradi fans have tons of neo nazis and skinheads.

Pff you have no idea what are you talking about. My family is big Ferencváros fan we go to matches (handball, football) many times, they are not neo nazis.

[Jana]

Pff you have no idea what are you talking about. My family is big Ferencváros fan we go to matches (handball, football) many times, they are not neo nazis.

Is that why they sing about trains going to Auschwitz? xD

[Kaspias]

Yes he is lying, because ottomans and Árpáds had r1a-z93 iranic haplogroup (not turkic!), which originated from East Europe (unlike turks):

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The Indo-Iranian migrations have resulted in high R1a frequencies in southern Central Asia, Iran and the Indian subcontinent. The highest frequency of R1a (about 65%) is reached in a cluster around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan. In India and Pakistan, R1a ranges from 15 to 50% of the population, depending on the region, ethnic group and caste. R1a is generally stronger is the North-West of the subcontinent, and weakest in the Dravidian-speaking South (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh) and from Bengal eastward. Over 70% of the Brahmins (highest caste in Hindusim) belong to R1a1, due to a founder effect.

Maternal lineages in South Asia are, however, overwhelmingly pre-Indo-European. For instance, India has over 75% of "native" mtDNA M and R lineages and 10% of East Asian lineages. In the residual 15% of haplogroups, approximately half are of Middle Eastern origin. Only about 7 or 8% could be of "Russian" (Pontic-Caspian steppe) origin, mostly in the form of haplogroup U2 and W (although the origin of U2 is still debated). European mtDNA lineages are much more common in Central Asia though, and even in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. This suggests that the Indo-European invasion of India was conducted mostly by men through war. The first major settlement of Indo-Aryan women was in northern Pakistan, western India (Punjab to Gujarat) and northern India (Uttar Pradesh), where haplogroups U2 and W are the most common today."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/indo-european-indo-iranian-migrations-1100x481.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2iTB3tXcAEy_Nh.jpg

Lol, same arguments for 1 year.


Your claim: Huns were pure Mongol / My claim: Huns were confederation with Turkic elite
Your claim: East Eurasian origin of Hungarians came from Mongol Huns / My claim: It was more likely from recent Turkic migrations and perhaps small percent from conquerors.
Your claim: Bulgars were Iranics / My claim: Of course they were carrying Iranic, too. But their language is already clear, is there a need to any extra information? Also have you ever thought why Balkan Turks are part Bulgarians but not Greek? Or even Albanian and Bosnian since they were already converted and will be more easy to absorb them among Turk ethnicity.
Your claim: Eastern source of Hungarians are Irano-Mongol / My claim: It is not possible Mongols had left the genetic footprint in Hungary. It was Turkics and Ugrics who formed Eastern origin of Hungarians and both were carrying Iranic, too.
Your claim: Bulgars have nothing to do with Huns / My claim: Bulgars emerged from Huns as their core population.
Your claim: Hungarians are mostly Germans / My claim: Hungarians are Slavo-German mix with an exotic admixture most of the time.
Your claim: Cumans didn't able to inherit their genetic to Hungarian population. / My claim: Cumans influenced even genetic pool of the Balkans, not only Hungary and Romania. But East Eurasian origin of Hungary is not only Cumans.
Your claim: East Eurasian origin of Hungary is only Ugric / My claim: Huns were living in confederate form before they disbanded. Although Turkic speakers of Huns retreated to East, some stayed. Hungary also took Turkic migration afterward. It is most likely both from Ugrics and Turks.
Your claim: East Eurasian admixture of Szekely and Csango is not necessarily Turkic / My claim: It is definitely Turkic because of their South Asian admixture, even if we didn't have genetic prove, such a small community couldn't live for 1500 years if they formed during the conquest.
Your claim: N is Ugric, not Turkic / My claim: Oghuz were mainly N, R and J2.
Your claim: R-Z93 is originated in Eastern Europe with Iranic origin, therefore, can't be Turk / My claim: What if R-Z93 emerged among Turks despite Iranic origin since it is originated in near Ural Mountains, not Eastern Europe, Turks were also part Iranics? How two Turkic elite and modern Turkic populations can carry it in massive amounts? We know it is not native to neither Anatolia nor Balkans, who brought it here? If we are not going to consider it Turkic, which haplogroup is Turkic? Only East Eurasian originated ones? But Turks are not only East Eurasians?

:D

[Kaspias]

Thanks for posting your results.
Interesting. :) Our siberian is really close.
What do you think about my east asian? Is it really just noise?

I don't know why but some Turks score mostly Siberian, some mostly East Asian and some like half-half. I really don't think it is noise but the calculator prefers to give Siberian instead of it for some reason. I have similar score with you:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21
2 Baltic 20.37
3 North_Atlantic 15.55
4 West_Asian 14.91
5 West_Med 12.29
6 Siberian 7.57
7 Red_Sea 3.25
8 South_Asian 2.06
9 East_Asian 1.16
10 Amerindian 0.7
11 Sub-Saharan 0.61
12 Oceanian 0.53

[Blondie]

How would you even classify these different Turkic nations? I understand your language argument because it has be repacked 100s of times, but what you cannot seem to grasp is that I am asking when, to YOU, does the Hungarian identity "start"? Because I gave a time, but you do not. If you keep going back the protoprotoproto-Hungarians are going to be in Africa soon! lol

Turkic nations are turkic because they are turkic speakers, unlike hungarians that's why they are not turkic and have never been turkic. I ask you again: can you prove that there was no "megyer" tribe before Etelköz as you claimed? Give sources until it your fantasy is just blah blah.


You have also told me nothing of Ügyek.

He has turkic name and? You cherrypicked this guy and this 10-15% elite to describe a complete population.


Don't you remember the whirlwind best selling novel I wrote about us being good friends and fighting space aliens together? You called it a literary masterwork of intrigue, adventure, and thrills! We split the royalties and bought mansions, you even posted pictures of yours and I thought it was very cool. I even sent you a telegram for congratulations.

Want me to remind you of it with proof of our conversations?

Oops, sorry, but I just don't have the time to, despite making all the time to push a thread into the page 30s... lol.

You are a fucking lunatic liar, you called me nordicist, Stears, white supremacist many times that's fact and you deny it, just like when you posted turks as "hungarians" to prove hungarians and turks are similar and are all turanist, i debunked you woth google search you fucking liar.



It's on the crown. Are you calling our settled kingly and queenly ancestors illiterate?

This crown was not created by hungarians:

"The enamels on the crown are mainly or entirely Byzantine work, presumed to have been made in Constantinople in the 1070s. The crown was presented by the Byzantine Emperor Michael VII Doukas to King Géza I of Hungary; both are depicted and named in Greek on enamel plaques in the lower crown. It is one of the two known Byzantine crowns to survive, the other being the slightly earlier Monomachus Crown, which is also in Budapest, in the Hungarian National Museum.[1][2] "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Crown_of_Hungary

Hungarians have never called themselves turks, greeks did it because they have no idea about steppe peoples, unlike neighbour slavs who called hungarians ugric:
http://publicatio.bibl.u-szeged.hu/6261/1/MOK_30_nyomda_beliv.pdf


It was a military alliance and there is no proof it was oppression. If the Hungarians hated these Turkic "oppressors", why would they be allowed to join as the Kabars at all, and why were the minority elites who were Turkic not killed in vengeance once we were "free"? You're making it up for your narrative.

Old magyars migrated to Carpathian Basin because of Khazar opression and they wanted to be free.


I find it more interesting that Blondie has not defended the existence of Hungarians as a people when her erstwhile ally said that we are a "cuck nation" who do not really exist but are just magyarized versions of nations around us.

You are lying again he is not my friend, and this is true that hungarians are uralic speaker slavs and germans. Like it or not that's fact.

[Blondie]

Is that why they sing about trains going to Auschwitz? xD

Croats do it when they glorify ustasha genocide against serbian childs and women. FTC fans didn't sing it, my family started to go to FTC matches 10-20 years ago, i know better than you who are not native in Budapest. Stop trolling

[Dunai]

Basszon román cigány , rofl. Your experience as a Szekel or as a Hungarian from Transylvania is very similar to all of my Hungarian or Szekel friends that have lived or interacted with Hungarians from Hungary.

Even if you are from Szatmár , on the very border with Hungary where the population is half Hungarian and even the Romanians speak some Hungarian, you will get called a romanian or a gypsy in Hungary (the words of my friend from Szatmár).

I've never met a Hungarian that does this to understand why he would walk 500 miles through shards of glass to get Transylvania back, just to call all the Hungarians in it gypsies.

This attitude is not as spread as some say, but it surely exists. Unfortunately Communism really embittered many of the people against foreigners, and many grew up in being very untrusty with anybody from outside Hungary. Also under Communism it was taboo to speak about the large Hungarian community living outside of Hungary, thus many grew up without much knowledge of their existence, why they are even there in the first place. Usually this old uneducated, "proletar" mentality in Hungary also goes hand in hand with racism and chauvinism, and these people out of their frustration of their miserable daily lives just choose to hate anybody who is slightly different from them, including Hungarians from abroad. They don't care that they speak Hungarian, but only the word Romania or Transylvania already makes these people to associate them with Gypsies. Ignorance and lack of education is quite spread in the Hungarian population unfortunately, and this is why so much people prefer to take escape into stupid, blind hatred. However there are also lots of Hungarians who greatly respect and admire Hungarians from abroad, especially their dedication of preserving their Hungarian identities even when they were pressured to assimilate all their lives.

[Kökény]

This attitude is not as spread as some say, but it surely exists. Unfortunately Communism really embittered many of the people against foreigners, and many grew up in being very untrusty with anybody from outside Hungary. Also under Communism it was taboo to speak about the large Hungarian community living outside of Hungary, thus many grew up without much knowledge of their existence, why they are even there in the first place. Usually this old uneducated, "proletar" mentality in Hungary also goes hand in hand with racism and chauvinism, and these people out of their frustration of their miserable daily lives just choose to hate anybody who is slightly different from them, including Hungarians from abroad. They don't care that they speak Hungarian, but only the word Romania or Transylvania already makes these people to associate them with Gypsies. Ignorance and lack of education is quite spread in the Hungarian population unfortunately, and this is why so much people prefer to take escape into stupid, blind hatred. However there are also lots of Hungarians who greatly respect and admire Hungarians from abroad, especially their dedication of preserving their Hungarian identities even when they were pressured to assimilate all their lives.

I disagree. It is really common. I've been harassed thru elementary, and in highschool too. Some of them called me romanian on purpose, just to see how would I react. Honestly it didn't really helped my already low self esteem.
"Romanian", "romanian bitch" "Are you even hungarian"
It was pretty hard for me to forget these things. But I know majority of the people are not this stupid. I do appreciate those who are proud of us, and consider us brave.

[Blondie]

Usually this old uneducated, "proletar" mentality in Hungary also goes hand in hand with racism and chauvinism, and these people out of their frustration of their miserable daily lives just choose to hate anybody who is slightly different from them, including Hungarians from abroad.

trollolo you are leftist liberal and your libtard friends called these transylvanian hungarians as gypsie or romanians not these "proletars" who are 100% nationalist :rotfl::rotfl:

[Dunai]

I disagree. It is really common. I've been harassed thru elementary, and in highschool too. Some of them called me romanian on purpose, just to see how would I react. Honestly it didn't really helped my already low self esteem.
"Romanian", "romanian bitch" "Are you even hungarian"
It was pretty hard for me to forget these things. But I know majority of the people are not this stupid. I do appreciate those who are proud of us, and consider us brave.

I am sorry you had to go through this, and I'm not trying to excuse these pricks who did it against you, but it sounds more like classic case of childhood and school bullying. Kids can be some mean assholes, and they will try to pick on everything that makes someone different to them. Your origin was definitely this causing factor. From my memory I have maybe once or twice encountered strong anti-Transylvanian Hungarian language, and they were all already close to their pension years, who grew up in Communism, very anti-Orbán. What I'm trying to say is that we should not generalize too much based on solely our experiences, since both you and I can have very particular experiences. I never liked when certain Szeklers turn their backs on their Hungarian identity, and choose to isolate themselves in their own region. Our nation is interconnected to this day, through our ancestors, culture, language, and some borders shouldn't make us resent each other, just because of some hateful low-lives.

[Jana]

Croats do it when they glorify ustasha genocide against serbian childs and women. FTC fans didn't sing it, my family started to go to FTC matches 10-20 years ago, i know better than you who are not native in Budapest. Stop trolling

No they usually don't. Hungarian hooligans are far more violent and extremist. Why do you lie?
https://hungaryultras.blogspot.com/2015/05/ferencvaros-capo-dont-mix-racism-with.html


Did the “the train is going to Auschwitz” song happened before you?
Yes

What is your opinion about that?
I don’t really care about it.

Is it a fun song or is it a crime?
If I would think that singing about Jews would have a place on the stands then there would be songs about Jews. If I would start to chant about Jews, everyone would continue because they follow my chants. It happened several times in MTK games when someone started to insult Jews and I said to them to “stop this and I started to chant Hajrá Ferencváros (Come on Ferencváros)”. We control the whole stand and we are able to control the situation and have an effect on the fans. Anyone can have their opinion about anything however there are things which should not be in the stands.

There is a guy who has a similar moustache to Hitler and he has a Fradi shirt which says Adolf in the back. What is your opinion about him?
It is his decision how he wants to look. If he feels good then I can do nothing about it. The interesting thing that he visited the games with his family.

Chanting “gipsies”, “homosexuals”, “dirty viola”, “Purple monkeys”, “purple bitch” happened during your time and there were times when the ultras were making monkey sounds. Do you think it is not over the limit?
This isn't the same like chanting about Jews. I have never encouraged people to make monkey sounds however I have to say that the ultras are not making monkey sounds because they are racist, they are doing this because they want to make the coloured footballers angry.

Ferencváros had to play behind closed doors after the Ultras have displayed a banner about Csatáry László during the game against MTK in August 2013. The board of Ferencváros was really angry about it and they said this is one of the reason why they implemented these strict rules.
I still don’t get why it is a problem that the group remembered a person who they thought is worth remembering about.

Csatáry László was the commander of the ghetto in Kassa and during his time, they deported 15,000 people to Auschwitz. After the war he changed his name and went to Canada. In 1948 he received death penalty in Czechoslovakia however he was away. When they found who he really is then they took away his Canadian nationality. You remembered about him against MTK so why you don’t understand the anger?
People say, that the winners write history. By the way, when it was his death our first home game was against MTK. If we had any other opponents for example Pápa then we would had made a banner against them.

When you say that “winners write history” you suggesting that Csatáry is innocent? There are evidence and a decision by court which says that he is a war criminal.
What he did or what he didn’t is not my job to decide and I don’t want to think about this anymore.

https://bbj.hu/images2/201308/csatary-bann_20130826085920896.jpg

[Dunai]

trollolo you are leftist liberal and your libtard friends called these transylvanian hungarians as gypsie or romanians not these "proletars" who are 100% nationalist :rotfl::rotfl:

Nobody is my friend who hates someone based on where they are from. A true Leftist or Liberal doesn't hate based on someone's origin. I am well aware there is such a hateful bunch in Hungary, who claim to be Left of Liberal, but these people have no idea what being a Leftist or Liberal even means, hence I have no solidarity with them, moreover I resent them as I resent any xenophobe or racist.

[Blondie]

blah blah

That happen when you have no personal experience and you all information came from internet. I have never heard this auschwitz song on match, never and just because there are some neo nazi ot doesn't mean FTC fans are nazis you retard.

Some link of croatian fascists who glorify child killer ustashe:

Croatia's National Soccer Team Celebrates With a Nazi-supporting, Fascist Singer, Dividing the County:
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-fascist-singer-s-victory-lap-with-team-divides-croatia-1.6295638

In Croatia, Nazi Sympathizers Are Welcome to Join the Party:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/31/in-croatia-nazi-sympathizers-are-welcome-to-join-the-party-thompson-ustashe-fascism/

Austria Indicts Zagreb Football Fans for Nazi Salutes:
https://balkaninsight.com/2018/04/12/austria-indicts-14-zagreb-football-fans-for-nazism-04-12-2018/

Croatia swastika: Hosts apologise for Nazi pitch symbol:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/33120517

Report: Croatia Soccer Body Whips Up Fans With Nazi Slogans:
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5467982

Do you want more? Nazism is part of daily life in Croatia, they glorify child killer ustasha etc, very dangerous country....

[Jana]

That happen when you have no personal experience and you all information came from internet. I have never heard this auschwitz song on match, never and just because there are some neo nazi ot doesn't mean FTC fans are nazis you retard.

Some link of croatian fascists who glorify child killer ustashe:

Croatia's National Soccer Team Celebrates With a Nazi-supporting, Fascist Singer, Dividing the County:
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-fascist-singer-s-victory-lap-with-team-divides-croatia-1.6295638

In Croatia, Nazi Sympathizers Are Welcome to Join the Party:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/31/in-croatia-nazi-sympathizers-are-welcome-to-join-the-party-thompson-ustashe-fascism/

Austria Indicts Zagreb Football Fans for Nazi Salutes:
https://balkaninsight.com/2018/04/12/austria-indicts-14-zagreb-football-fans-for-nazism-04-12-2018/

Croatia swastika: Hosts apologise for Nazi pitch symbol:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/33120517

Report: Croatia Soccer Body Whips Up Fans With Nazi Slogans:
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5467982

Do you want more? Nazism is part of daily life in Croatia, they glorify child killer ustasha etc, very dangerous country....

Is that why we have no radicals in Parliament unlike you and Serbs? xD
Don't call me retard, bitch. You lied they don't sing these songs and I proved they do. Interview with Green Monsters leader matters more than your lies.

Thompson sang patriotic songs on team welcome concert, which have nothing to do with Ustaše. For average Croat Hungary is extremely right wing country.

Deal with it.

[ProudBrit]

That happen when you have no personal experience and you all information came from internet. I have never heard this auschwitz song on match, never and just because there are some neo nazi ot doesn't mean FTC fans are nazis you retard.

Some link of croatian fascists who glorify child killer ustashe:

Croatia's National Soccer Team Celebrates With a Nazi-supporting, Fascist Singer, Dividing the County:
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-fascist-singer-s-victory-lap-with-team-divides-croatia-1.6295638

In Croatia, Nazi Sympathizers Are Welcome to Join the Party:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/31/in-croatia-nazi-sympathizers-are-welcome-to-join-the-party-thompson-ustashe-fascism/

Austria Indicts Zagreb Football Fans for Nazi Salutes:
https://balkaninsight.com/2018/04/12/austria-indicts-14-zagreb-football-fans-for-nazism-04-12-2018/

Croatia swastika: Hosts apologise for Nazi pitch symbol:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/33120517

Report: Croatia Soccer Body Whips Up Fans With Nazi Slogans:
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5467982

Do you want more? Nazism is part of daily life in Croatia, they glorify child killer ustasha etc, very dangerous country....

Speechless.Just canceled my trip to Croatia, thank you for opening my eyes.

[Jana]

PS: here are lyrics of song Thompson sang when we won silver in Russia. Extremely hateful, faschist song :laugh:

You're beautiful

When I remember, tears well up
The scent of memories
Every step of my homeland
And folk customs

I recognize your beauty
Which awakens my love
When I'm with you my heart
Beats stronger,its great!

Oh, Zagoro,you're so beautiful(/how beautiful you are)
Slavonia, you are golden
Herceg-Bosno a proud heart
Dalmatia, my sea
One soul but two of us
Greetings Lika, pride of Velebit

How beautiful you are (/you're so beautiful)

When Neretva heads for the sea
Then remember me
Be the theme of my song
For all of those who are gone

Come on Istra and Zagorje
Let's raise up all three colors
Let's embrace in front everyone
Let them see that we are many (/that we exist)

Oh,Zagoro,you're so beautiful
Slavonia,you are golden
Herceg Bosno a proud heart
Dalmatia,my sea
One soul but two of us
Greetings Lika, pride of Velebit
https://lyricstranslate.com

[Blondie]

Is that why we have no radicals in Parliament unlike you and Serbs? xD
Don't call me retard, bitch. You lied they don't sing these songs and I proved they do. Interview with Green Monsters leader matters more than your lies.

Thompson sang patriotic songs on team welcome concert, which have nothing to do with Ustaše. For average Croat Hungary is extremely right wing country.

Deal with it.

They don't singt it i know because my family go to matches just like me and i have never heard it and you proved nothing because some neo nazi is not equal with a complete fans.
And croats glorify nazism many time, i posted the first 5 result from google, and there are tons of other nazi-croat link when you guys glorified child killers.

[Blondie]

Speechless.Just canceled my trip to Croatia, thank you for opening my eyes.

Yes Croatia is very dangerous, they are darker than serbs but they don't accept it, that's why many of them are frustrated just like Jana. When they have seen my blonde hair they thought i'm serbian and nazi croats wanted to beat me.

[Daos777]

Hungarians are just Romanians mixed with Germans I don’t get all this fuss

[Jana]

They don't singt it i know because my family go to matches just like me and i have never heard it and you proved nothing because some neo nazi is not equal with a complete fans.
And croats glorify nazism many time, i posted the first 5 result from google, and there are tons of other nazi-croat link when you guys glorified child killers.

What child killers lol? How many Jews and Romanian children you slaughter?
You are German who killed million of people, even made experiments on them lmao.

https://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-1431590-640_panofree-temy-1431590.jpg

[Kökény]

I am sorry you had to go through this, and I'm not trying to excuse these pricks who did it against you, but it sounds more like classic case of childhood and school bullying. Kids can be some mean assholes, and they will try to pick on everything that makes someone different to them. Your origin was definitely this causing factor. From my memory I have maybe once or twice encountered strong anti-Transylvanian Hungarian language, and they were all already close to their pension years, who grew up in Communism, very anti-Orbán. What I'm trying to say is that we should not generalize too much based on solely our experiences, since both you and I can have very particular experiences. I never liked when certain Szeklers turn their backs on their Hungarian identity, and choose to isolate themselves in their own region. Our nation is interconnected to this day, through our ancestors, culture, language, and some borders shouldn't make us resent each other, just because of some hateful low-lives.

I think you misunderstood me. I never said that I hate hungarians as a whole. When I said earlier that "I started to hate them with burning passion" I referred to those who did this to me.
What if I told you that not only kids did this? There were adults too. But you know what? It doesn't even matter anymore. I did hold grudges but I am starting to let go of the past.
I still want to experience what it's like to live beside my family in Transylvania, not just visit for a couple of weeks. Seeing them only once a year is not enough for me. I'm sure if you lived far away from your loved ones, in another country, you would feel the same way like me.

[Jana]

Nationalist parties in Europe by strength
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Right-wing_populist_parties_in_European_national_parliam ents_%28October_2019%29.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe

[Daos777]

Nationalist parties in Europe by strength
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Right-wing_populist_parties_in_European_national_parliam ents_%28October_2019%29.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe

Those are the only countries that will survive the next 50 years


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[Blondie]

Nationalist parties in Europe by strength
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Right-wing_populist_parties_in_European_national_parliam ents_%28October_2019%29.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe

Seems Serbia is doing well, they are nationalist, and once you said that you are jealous of serbs and hungarians because they are nationalist.

[Jana]

Those are the only countries that will survive the next 50 years

I am a nationalist, that's why I am in Hungary. No bread for nationalists in Croatia.

[Jana]

Seems Serbia is doing well, they are nationalist, and once you said that you are jealous of serbs and hungarians because they are nationalist.

Surely.

[Daos777]

Isn’t blondie just a larp nationalist though? Like all women. Two larp nationalists arguing amongst each other.

[Jana]

Isn’t blondie just a larp nationalist though? Like all women. Two larp nationalists arguing amongst each other.

Blondie is childlish. I am real nationalst though, because my parents are. And that is why they did not want a Hungarian man in their house, they wanted a Croat.

[Dunai]

I think you misunderstood me. I never said that I hate hungarians as a whole. When I said earlier that "I started to hate them with burning passion" I referred to those who did this to me.
What if I told you that not only kids did this? There were adults too. But you know what? It doesn't even matter anymore. I did hold grudges but I am starting to let go of the past.
I still want to experience what it's like to live beside my family in Transylvania, not just visit for a couple of weeks. Seeing them only once a year is not enough for me. I'm sure if you lived far away from your loved ones, in another country, you would feel the same way like me.

I cannot blame you, Székelyföld is truly a magical land, with some of the most welcoming people I ever experienced in my life. Also the sights are breathtaking. I would urge anyone to visit it once, if they can.

[Blondie]

I am a nationalist, that's why I am in Hungary. No bread for nationalists in Croatia.

If you are real nationalist you should stay in Croatia to build your country. And i never insulted your home (except now i was trolling you back) but you are always insult my home/city and everything what i like and this is very sneakly.

[Jana]

If you are real nationalist you should stay in Croatia to build your country. And i never insulted your home (except now i was trolling you back) but you are always insult my home/city and everything what i like and this is very sneakly.

Well my son is half Hungarian and that is it. It's not insult to say many Fradi fans are nao-nazi (which I don't support), it's a fact.
And by fans I mean fans in stands behind the goal, not casual fans who go to matches.

[ProudBrit]

I cannot blame you, Székelyföld is truly a magical land, with some of the most welcoming people I ever experienced in my life. Also the sights are breathtaking. I would urge anyone to visit it once, if they can.

A magical land in the sense that it does not exist, just like Narnia

[Daos777]

Blondie is childlish. I am real nationalst though, because my parents are. And that is why they did not want a Hungarian man in their house, they wanted a Croat.

It’s good that you value your nation even tho you kinda showed that it’s not your first priority when you married outside the ethnicity.

However, women can’t be true nationalists. They rarely died for their nation/tribe in the past they are not wired to be that way. Plus women throughout history have been nothing more than baby making machines that cook and clean. When a man is a nationalist he truly believes and is willing to die for those principles. I think women can be kinda persuaded into it but they don’t have that same determination.

So this is larp.


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[Blondie]

Well my son is half Hungarian and that is it. It's not insult to say many Fradi fans are nao-nazi (which I don't support), it's a fact.
And by fans I mean fans in stands behind the goal, not casual fans who go to matches.

I have talked about you not your son, real nationalists live in their own country. And primitive football hoolingans do not represent a complete fan base. I'm sure Stears use your account again.

[Kökény]

I cannot blame you, Székelyföld is truly a magical land, with some of the most welcoming people I ever experienced in my life. Also the sights are breathtaking. I would urge anyone to visit it once, if they can.

Have you ever been there?

[Jana]

It’s good that you value your nation even tho you kinda showed that it’s not your first priority when you married outside the ethnicity.

However, women can’t be true nationalists. They rarely died for their nation/tribe in the past they are not wired to be that way. Plus women throughout history have been nothing more than baby making machines that cook and clean. When a man is a nationalist he truly believes and is willing to die for those principles. I think women can be kinda persuaded into it but they don’t have that same determination.

So this is larp.

I marry who I love, surely don't put ethnicity above nation. I am a nationalist though. Hungarians are compatible with Croats, for our nationalists, Serbs aren't.
My parents wouldn't have anything against Stears just because he is Magyar if he was not arrogant and showed bit more interest towards my culture like I showed towards his.

They are offended by that, if he was different they would have fully embraced him. Like his parents embraced me.

[Kökény]

A magical land in the sense that it does not exist, just like Narnia

I'm not gonna comment on that. You can think whatever you want. Guess my whole family is nonexistent.

[Jana]

I'm not gonna comment on that. You can think whatever you want. Guess my whole family is nonexistent.

He is ex-Romanian banned member sock account.

[Dunai]

Have you ever been there?

I wouldn't speak of such high superlatives if I haven't been there. Was mostly in the Maros and Hargita counties, also for a little time I've visited Kovászna. Can't wait to return sometime soon, but preferably not in winter time, as they get some very hardcore winters there, and I just can't really stand too much cold. I am a typical puszta gyermeke :D

[Kaspias]

I disagree. It is really common. I've been harassed thru elementary, and in highschool too. Some of them called me romanian on purpose, just to see how would I react. Honestly it didn't really helped my already low self esteem.
"Romanian", "romanian bitch" "Are you even hungarian"
It was pretty hard for me to forget these things. But I know majority of the people are not this stupid. I do appreciate those who are proud of us, and consider us brave.

I wonder when you migrated to Hungary what was the reaction of Hungarians? Do they call you as Romanian or "you are not Hungarian, what are you doing here" or something like this? Did you feel any offense against your ethnicity?

[Kökény]

He is ex-Romanian banned member sock account.
Well this explains a lot.

[ProudBrit]

I marry who I love, surely don't put ethnicity above nation. I am a nationalist though. Hungarians are compatible with Croats, for our nationalists, Serbs aren't.
My parents wouldn't have anything against Stears just because he is Magyar if he was not arrogant and showed bit more interest towards my culture like I showed towards his.

They are offended by that, if he was different they would have fully embraced him. Like his parents embraced me.

Lmfao Stears hates slavs to guts,the way Stears views croats is the way nationalist hungarians view Croatia, just an ex posession,second tier citizens.The friendship between croats and everyone else is artificial, another example is the croat-albanian friendship, its just the old enemy-of-my-enemy.

[Jana]

I have talked about you not your son, real nationalists live in their own country. And primitive football hoolingans do not represent a complete fan base. I'm sure Stears use your account again.

Yeah,I will live in my country and him in Hungary? xD How does that work?

[oszkar07]

I sometimes wonder the accuracy of these calcs, when splitting up these old, minor components. In other words, you may score total 4% Asian components (Mongol, Northeast Asian, Turkic), while Oszk just gets it all lumped into Turkic. Perhaps this is due to chance? Or maybe because he is mixed with NW European, the Turkic/East Eurasian/Asian stuff gets more difficult to separate? My point is, I don't think it is important to put too much into the specific component you get, might be better to look at total Turkic/East Eurasian/Asian, if that is what one is examining.

I have wondered about that also eg ... how can I score 4:13 /4:51 Turkic ... but get hardly any Asian components.
But in k13 i get 2.29 Siberian and some other gedmatch calcs show some reasonable Siberian amounts too ... not sure how to explain it especially tha im only half Hungarian .

[Kökény]

I wonder when you migrated to Hungary what was the reaction of Hungarians? Do they call you as Romanian or "you are not Hungarian, what are you doing here" or something like this? Did you feel any offense against your ethnicity?

I was born here. My parents migrated. They did get a few interesting comments when they arrived here. I was called names by some stupid kids thru my school years, but the majority are not like them. Just the ignorant ones. I was angry at them for some time but that's the past.
I have nothing against hungarian. :)

[Jana]

Lmfao Stears hates slavs to guts,the way Stears views croats is the way nationalist hungarians view Croatia, just an ex posession,second tier citizens.The friendship between croats and everyone else is artificial, another example is the croat-albanian friendship, its just the old enemy-of-my-enemy.

Not true, Hungarians are generally friendlier towards Croats than the opposite. My father is sceptical towards Hungarians, for example, because he consider them Central European version of Serbs (Imperialists).
He respects them though.

Stears has no interest in southern Europe, and my roots are from southern Europe. He only showed interest in parts of Croatia that are so similar to Hungary, Panonnian parts.

It made me very mad.

[Blondie]

Yeah,I will live in my country and him in Hungary? xD How does that work?

I remember when you called a german nationalist girl (i don't remember her name but she was Stears ex gf) fake nationalist just because she dated with a polish guy.

[Jana]

I remember when you called a german nationalist girl (i don't remember her name but she was Stears ex gf) fake nationalist just because she dated with a polish guy.

Because she hated Slavs and consider than subhumans. I like Hungarians and love Hungary. Not the same.

[ProudBrit]

Because she hated Slavs and consider than subhumans. I like Hungarians and love Hungary. Not the same.

Stears hates slavs and considers them subhuman(except poles, but thats an artificial friendship)

[Blondie]

Because she hated Slavs and consider than subhumans. I like Hungarians and love Hungary. Not the same.

Then why do you insult my city always?

[Jana]

Stears hates slavs and considers them subhuman(except poles, but thats an artificial friendship)

It's a real friendship. I can't think any other 2 countries have something like that. Stears has prejudice towards orthodox Slavs. He is cool with Bulgarians though, and they are orthodox.
And he is not okay with Slovaks, who are Catholic and Protestant.

[Voyt]

Stears hates slavs and considers them subhuman(except poles, but thats an artificial friendship)

Stears is genetically Moldovan
He is Cuman, Slavic, Caucasus, Pontid
Fitting twist of fate for a pseudo-Nazi like him

[Jana]

Then why do you insult my city always?

You misinterpret my posts, I guess. My whole point was to say how among Hungarian nationalists (who are in minority) exists very different groups.
Compare Turul, Blogen and Stears, all 3 nationalists and nothing in common apart from that.

[Jana]

Stears is genetically Moldovan
He is Cuman, Slavic, Caucasus, Pontid
Fitting twist of fate for a pseudo-Nazi like him

He is closest to his ethnic group.

[ProudBrit]

Stears is genetically Moldovan
He is Cuman, Slavic, Caucasus, Pontid
Fitting twist of fate for a pseudo-Nazi like him

not really, moldovians have high baltid and low NA, opposite of him, he's pulled eastern on that k15 plot by some 'conqueror'/gipsy, in reality he's what he say he is: mother transdanubian hungarian, dad a german shifted romanian with a tiny bit of gipsy.

[Luke35]

I have wondered about that also eg ... how can I score 4:13 /4:51 Turkic ... but get hardly any Asian components.
But in k13 i get 2.29 Siberian and some other gedmatch calcs show some reasonable Siberian amounts too ... not sure how to explain it especially tha im only half Hungarian .

I believe that your slightly elevated East Eurasian/Asian (across multiple calculators from Eurogenes to the K11, and others too if I am remembering correctly) is a signal indicating old Magyars in your blood line.

[Kaspias]

I was born here. My parents migrated. They did get a few interesting comments when they arrived here. I was called names by some stupid kids thru my school years, but the majority are not like them. Just the ignorant ones. I was angry at them for some time but that's the past.
I have nothing against hungarian. :)

Thank you for the answer. I'm glad you're not bothered with these things. I asked because we have a similar situation. Thracian and Deniz may know better than me, some people in Turkey were calling Balkan Turks as not Turks, even more offensive like "Balkan shit." I born in Greece and i went to Turkey to study, and each people i met were asking me "Are you Greek?, How can you speak Turkish?" It was actually surprising for me haha.

It is understandable if you are not living in your own country the people where you live will call you with ridiculous names or will joke about you. But seeing such things in your own homeland would be more annoying.

[Daos777]

He is closest to his ethnic group.

Why am I more northern shifted than you and stears could ever dream of but I look more Southern European? Do you guys bleach your hair and wear blue eye contacts?

[ProudBrit]

It's a real friendship. I can't think any other 2 countries have something like that. Stears has prejudice towards orthodox Slavs. He is cool with Bulgarians though, and they are orthodox.
And he is not okay with Slovaks, who are Catholic and Protestant.

That's just your wishfull thinking, most of his posts were copy-pastas with garbage against balkanites and slavs, before he meet you he called croats as balkanites, wake up to reality.Hungarians like Poland cause they have the same interests, the friendship is not genuine.

[Blondie]

You misinterpret my posts, I guess. My whole point was to say how among Hungarian nationalists (who are in minority) exists very different groups.
Compare Turul, Blogen and Stears, all 3 nationalists and nothing in common apart from that.

Blogen claim modern hungarians looks like east asians lol He isn't nationalist but i think a clinically case who escaped from Lipót Mental Hospital.

[Kökény]

Thank you for the answer. I'm glad you're not bothered with these things. I asked because we have a similar situation. Thracian and Deniz may know better than me, some people in Turkey were calling Balkan Turks as not Turks, even more offensive like "Balkan shit." I born in Greece and i went to Turkey to study, and each people i met were asking me "Are you Greek?, How can you speak Turkish?" It was actually surprising for me haha.

It is understandable if you are not living in your own country the people where you live will call you with ridiculous names or will joke about you. But seeing such things in your own homeland would be more annoying.

Really? I never knew that you guys may have similar experiences. I definitely knew about balkan turks but I would have never guessed that it can also happen to you guys. Well we can relate then. I know how it feels, don't let those things to get to you. Remember who you are! :thumb001:

[Cumansky]

Blogen claim modern hungarians looks like east asians lol He isn't nationalist but i think a clinically case who escaped from Lipót Mental Hospital.

Most modern Hungarians just call themselves by Hungarian, but really they are German as you

So where is the real Hungarians?

[Blondie]

Hungarians like Poland cause they have the same interests, the friendship is not genuine.

The polish and hungarian friendship is one of the oldest in Europe and have serious historical reasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_and_Hungarian_brothers_be

March 23 is a polish-hungarian friendship day in the both country. There are tons of polish tourist and exchange student in Budapest and they love each other as well. I have never seen such strong friendship between two nation. That's absolutely not artifical.

[Voyt]

not really, moldovians have high baltid and low NA, opposite of him, he's pulled eastern on that k15 plot by some 'conqueror'/gipsy, in reality he's what he say he is: mother transdanubian hungarian, dad a german shifted romanian with a tiny bit of gipsy.

>mother transdanubian hungarian
So...Slav + Magyar dna?
>dad a german shifted romanian with a tiny bit of gipsy
So...mostly Cuman/Caucasus/Pontid/Gipsy with some Germanic (continental "Germans", who themselves were hybrids of Norse, Celts and Slavs)

How exactly does that disprove what I said?

[ProudBrit]

>mother transdanubian hungarian
So...Slav + Magyar dna?
>dad a german shifted romanian with a tiny bit of gipsy
So...mostly Cuman/Caucasus/Pontid/Gipsy with some Germanic (continental "Germans", who themselves were hybrids of Norse, Celts and Slavs)

How exactly does that disprove what I said?

i disagreed with the first part, he ain't anything close to moldovians genetically, completely different percentages.

[Blondie]

Most modern Hungarians just call themselves by Hungarian, but really they are German as you

So where is the real Hungarians?

Hungarians are not germans but mix of germans, slavs and native pannonians.

[Jana]

That's just your wishfull thinking, most of his posts were copy-pastas with garbage against balkanites and slavs, before he meet you he called croats as balkanites, wake up to reality.Hungarians like Poland cause they have the same interests, the friendship is not genuine.

Croats are part Balkanites. So are his Szekely people and Csangos haha. What's the big deal.

[ProudBrit]

The polish and hungarian friendship is one of the oldest in Europe and have serious historical reasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_and_Hungarian_brothers_be

March 23 is a polish-hungarian friendship day in the both country. There are tons of polish tourist and exchange student in Budapest and they love each other as well. I have never seen such strong friendship between two nation. That's absolutely not artifical.

I dont see anything of significance there,if aid is the criteria then germans have helped poles more than hungarians ever did yet germans are not exactly friends with poles.

[Jana]

Why am I more northern shifted than you and stears could ever dream of but I look more Southern European? Do you guys bleach your hair and wear blue eye contacts?

Because you probably lack specific blond hair SNPs and blue eyed ones as well. I have them and all 3 of us children are blond and blue eyed, with me being the darkest because I have very dark eyebrows.

[Cumansky]

Hungarians are not germans but mix of germans, slavs and native pannonians.

No your not, stop boosting

[Cumansky]

Because you probably lack specific blond hair SNPs and blue eyed ones as well. I have them and all 3 of us children are blond and blue eyed, with me being the darkest because I have very dark eyebrows.

I have dark unibrow

[ProudBrit]

Croats are part Balkanites. So are his Szekely people and Csangos haha. What's the big deal.

You're asking me?I don't care.Im not the one who autistically spent his years calling balkanites subhumans.

[Jana]

Blogen claim modern hungarians looks like east asians lol He isn't nationalist but i think a clinically case who escaped from Lipót Mental Hospital.

He doesn't claim that. What he presents as Turanid are European looking people. He is pro-Finno-Ugric and likes Russia.

[Jana]

not really, moldovians have high baltid and low NA, opposite of him, he's pulled eastern on that k15 plot by some 'conqueror'/gipsy, in reality he's what he say he is: mother transdanubian hungarian, dad a german shifted romanian with a tiny bit of gipsy.

No.

[Daos777]

Because you probably lack specific blond hair SNPs and blue eyed ones as well. I have them and all 3 of us children are blond and blue eyed, with me being the darkest because I have very dark eyebrows.

So you’re albino Wogs?

[Jana]

I dont see anything of significance there,if aid is the criteria then germans have helped poles more than hungarians ever did yet germans are not exactly friends with poles.

Stop embarassing yourself.

[Jana]

So you’re albino Wogs?

I cluster in Central Europe, not with wogs.

[Jana]

You're asking me?I don't care.Im not the one who autistically spent his years calling balkanites subhumans.

Croats feel the same about Balkans as Hungarians do. I mean Croats from Croatia.

[Voyt]

i disagreed with the first part, he ain't anything close to moldovians genetically, completely different percentages.

North Atlantic and Baltic are both north-shifted populations, with Baltic merely being more eastern; for Stears to cluster close to Moldovans then he would have to have had an extremely east shifted significant ancestor (cuman/gypsy, whatever he wants to call it)


In which case he just clusters close to a population he never wanted to be a part of and then modifies his philosophy to incorporate that population into his "acceptables"

The more likely case though is that he had a few east-shifted ancestors and just made up some Chad "gypsy king" dude because it makes him look cool

[Cumansky]

I cluster in Central Europe, not with wogs.

So does Finnish/Somalian from USA, cluster is overrated and not precise for anything

[Jana]

North Atlantic and Baltic are both north-shifted populations, with Baltic merely being more eastern; for Stears to cluster close to Moldovans then he would have to have had an extremely east shifted significant ancestor (cuman/gypsy, whatever he wants to call it)


In which case he just clusters close to a population he never wanted to be a part of and then modifies his philosophy to incorporate that population into his "acceptables"

The more likely case though is that he had a few east-shifted ancestors and just made up some Chad "gypsy king" dude because it makes him look cool

Are you autistic? He is extremely close to Hungarian average and very typical.

1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 30.51
3 West_Med 11.45
4 West_Asian 11.27
5 East_Med 9.88
6 Siberian 1.87
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Red_Sea 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Northeast_African 0.15
11 East_Asian 0.11
12 Oceanian 0.03

1 Hungarian 4.02
2 Croatian 6.65
3 Moldavian 6.71

1 91% Hungarian + 9% Tabassaran @ 1.49
2 91.3% Hungarian + 8.7% Lezgin @ 1.56
3 91.3% Hungarian + 8.7% Chechen @ 1.59

__________________________________________________ _____

1 North_Sea 22.2
2 Atlantic 18.43
3 Baltic 17.42
4 Eastern_Euro 13.25
5 West_Asian 10.59
6 West_Med 8.11
7 East_Med 6.77
8 Siberian 1.08
9 South_Asian 1.07
10 Amerindian 0.68
11 Northeast_African 0.3
12 Red_Sea 0.1

1 Hungarian 5.35
2 Austrian 6.06
3 Croatian 7.28

1 89% Hungarian + 11% Chechen @ 2.77
2 89.1% Hungarian + 10.9% Kabardin @ 2.85
3 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Ossetian @ 2.88

1 50% Romanian +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.859026
__________________________________________________ ____

1 North_European 46.48
2 Atlantic_Med 25.47
3 Caucasus 16.45
4 Gedrosia 4.63
5 Siberian 2.45
6 Southwest_Asian 2.36
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 East_Asian 0.93
9 East_African 0.29

1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.19
2 German (Dodecad) 10.08
3 Romanians (Behar) 14.98

1 94.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 1.41
2 96.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.5% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 1.5
3 96% Hungarians (Behar) + 4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.5

[Jana]

So does Finnish/Somalian from USA, cluster is overrated and not precise for anything

No, Finnish/Somali mix will cluster in middle east and north Africa.

[Cumansky]

No, Finnish/Somali mix will cluster in middle east and north Africa.

They cluster near Hungarians

[Mingle]

He doesn't claim that. What he presents as Turanid are European looking people. He is pro-Finno-Ugric and likes Russia.He's also pro-Turkic although he's not a big fan of Turkey. He has a picture of a Kazakh man on his profile. I also remember him defending Azerbaijan to the bone in a debate about Karabakh/Artsakh. He seems like a Turanist but a less extreme version of Turul.

[ProudBrit]

Are you autistic? He is extremely close to Hungarian average and very typical.

1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 30.51
3 West_Med 11.45
4 West_Asian 11.27
5 East_Med 9.88
6 Siberian 1.87
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Red_Sea 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Northeast_African 0.15
11 East_Asian 0.11
12 Oceanian 0.03

1 Hungarian 4.02
2 Croatian 6.65
3 Moldavian 6.71

1 91% Hungarian + 9% Tabassaran @ 1.49
2 91.3% Hungarian + 8.7% Lezgin @ 1.56
3 91.3% Hungarian + 8.7% Chechen @ 1.59

__________________________________________________ _____

1 North_Sea 22.2
2 Atlantic 18.43
3 Baltic 17.42
4 Eastern_Euro 13.25
5 West_Asian 10.59
6 West_Med 8.11
7 East_Med 6.77
8 Siberian 1.08
9 South_Asian 1.07
10 Amerindian 0.68
11 Northeast_African 0.3
12 Red_Sea 0.1

1 Hungarian 5.35
2 Austrian 6.06
3 Croatian 7.28

1 89% Hungarian + 11% Chechen @ 2.77
2 89.1% Hungarian + 10.9% Kabardin @ 2.85
3 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Ossetian @ 2.88

1 50% Romanian +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.859026
__________________________________________________ ____

1 North_European 46.48
2 Atlantic_Med 25.47
3 Caucasus 16.45
4 Gedrosia 4.63
5 Siberian 2.45
6 Southwest_Asian 2.36
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 East_Asian 0.93
9 East_African 0.29

1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.19
2 German (Dodecad) 10.08
3 Romanians (Behar) 14.98

1 94.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 1.41
2 96.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.5% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 1.5
3 96% Hungarians (Behar) + 4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.5

No, he isn't , 'extremely close', because from what we've seen here, hungarians from TA plot either with slovaks if from NE or with austrians/czechs if transdanubian, so they are north-east or north-west of the hungarian average, whearas Stears is south-east and its obviously why.
Not to mention that you're now posting his new 23andme results because they 'fit' better your narrative.What happend with "23andme has the worst gedmatch autosomal of all companies"?

[Mingle]

They cluster near HungariansMaybe only on a 2D PCA. With higher dimensions, they'll be floating in the middle of nowhere.

[ProudBrit]

Croats feel the same about Balkans as Hungarians do. I mean Croats from Croatia.

So croats and hungarians are bound by hate towards another people.Just furthers prove my point that Croat-Hungarian friendship doesnt exist, its politics.

[Jana]

They cluster near Hungarians

Don't make me laugh. Such mix cluster like a western shifted Palestinian, and more southern than North African Jews.
https://i.imgur.com/Jsncbbo.png

[Jana]

He's also pro-Turkic although he's not a big fan of Turkey. He has a picture of a Kazakh man on his profile. I also remember him defending Azerbaijan to the bone in a debate about Karabakh/Artsakh. He seems like a Turanist but a less extreme version of Turul.

He considers Hungarians Uralic people. But he acknowledge Iranic and Turkic input in terms of phenotypes.
Blogen don't like Anatolian Turks because he consider them sandni....ers.

[Voyt]

Are you autistic? He is extremely close to Hungarian average and very typical.


No, I just am a skeptical person naturally and have a keen nose for artifice

You posted three different tables, but what are they and are there screencaps of all them, or any other calculations you put his dna through?

[Jana]

No, he isn't , 'extremely close', because from what we've seen here, hungarians from TA plot either with slovaks if from NE or with austrians/czechs if transdanubian, so they are north-east or north-west of the hungarian average, whearas Stears is south-east and its obviously why.
Not to mention that you're now posting his new 23andme results because they 'fit' better your narrative.What happend with "23andme has the worst gedmatch autosomal of all companies"?

Hungarians are not that close with Slovaks, neither on G25 nor on gedmatch. Stop repeating nonsense.
You demanded 23andme and you got it. It's much better for him.

[Jana]

So croats and hungarians are bound by hate towards another people.Just furthers prove my point that Croat-Hungarian friendship doesnt exist, its politics.

No it's not, we have right to feel different than our orthodox neighbours. Our culture has always been shaped by west.

[Voyt]

So croats and hungarians are bound by hate towards another people.Just furthers prove my point that Croat-Hungarian friendship doesnt exist, its politics.

Croat-Hungarian friendship is bound by centuries of Hungary wanting access to the sea and Croatia wanting to be perceived as greater than it really is.

That really is it.

[Jana]

No, I just am a skeptical person naturally and have a keen nose for artifice

You posted three different tables, but what are they and are there screencaps of all them, or any other calculations you put his dna through?

They are in his 23andme thread. It's not hard to find it.

[Jana]

Croat-Hungarian friendship is bound by centuries of Hungary wanting access to the sea and Croatia wanting to be perceived as greater than it really is.

That really is it.

No it isn't. It's by the fact we have 800 years of common state and many common heroes with little problems between two nations except in 19th century.

[ProudBrit]

Hungarians are not that close with Slovaks, neither on G25 nor on gedmatch. Stop repeating nonsense.
You demanded 23andme and you got it. It's much better for him.

I said N-E hungarians approach Slovaks, wheras transdanubians are really with austrians/czechs, and Stears is in the opposite direction because of some extra balkan and a tiny bit of gipsy blood, its obvious.

[Voyt]

No it isn't. It's by the fact we have 800 years of common state and many common heroes with little problems between two nations except in 19th century.

Croats are shameless, lazy opportunists, and your behavior in this thread and in your marriage to another shameless opportunist like Stears is crystal clear evidence of that historical phenomenon

[ProudBrit]

No it isn't. It's by the fact we have 800 years of common state and many common heroes with little problems between two nations except in 19th century.

You didnt have a common state, you were just their puppets while hungarians were austrian puppets, the slaves of austrians had their slaves so to say

[Jana]

I said N-E hungarians approach Slovaks, wheras transdanubians are really with austrians/czechs, and Stears is in the opposite direction because of some extra balkan and a tiny bit of gipsy blood, its obvious.

Balkan yes, Gypsy not. I posted my friend who is NE Hungarian and from Slovakia, she is very western shifted towards Belgium and west Germany.

[Cumansky]

Maybe only on a 2D PCA. With higher dimensions, they'll be floating in the middle of nowhere.

PCA is not reality, is BS propaganda

[Mingle]

The more likely case though is that he had a few east-shifted ancestors and just made up some Chad "gypsy king" dude because it makes him look cool

???

The world will turn over and inside out before an Eastern European invents a fake story about having gypsy ancestry, lol. Gypsies are seen as the furthest thing possible from cool/chad over there.

Anyways, Stears never said he had a gypsy ancestor. It's speculation based on him scoring minor South Asian on DNA tests.

[ProudBrit]

No it's not, we have right to feel different than our orthodox neighbours. Our culture has always been shaped by west.

There is nothing western at Croatia, you are closer to Turkey than to Britain or Germany in terms of culture."Central Europe" is synonymous for second-hand german, grow a spine already

[Jana]

You didnt have a common state, you were just their puppets while hungarians were austrian puppets, the slaves of austrians had their slaves so to say

I don't care what a Romanian or Serb say about it. Here are two Croats who wrote about Croatian-Hungarian relations on Quora and they represent well what most Croats think.

1:
I consider them brotherly people. They largely supported us during the struggle for independence, have a notable and friendly minority presence, and we share a common history. Particularly in Slavonia and Baranja, they contribute a lot to the Croatian fabric. Both nations have also pledged to protect the Hungarian and Croatian minority groups in each others respective countries, and the Croatian and Hungarian languages are considered regional languages in some communities in both countries.

Being in union with Hungary wasn’t always easy politically, but Croatians fared much better as part of the Hungarian Kingdom than Serbs did under the brutality of the Ottomans. It was a relatively peaceful situation considering the turmoil in Europe over much of those 800 years. Croats were allowed to keep their parliament, religion, language, and their nobility kept their ranks under Hungary. For the most part, we kept our identity. I think under the circumstances, most Croats consider the union with Hungary as something necessary and positive at the time considering other options.

For context, at the time of the union with Hungary, there was a succession crisis for the Croatian throne and many external threats by regional powers to annex Croatia. A civil war would have possibly destroyed the nation for all history and the nobility had the common sense to elect the Hungarian monarch rather than face invasion and cultural subversion. Hungary did not have aspirations for colonialism, unlike the Ottomans, Byzantines and Venetians; so the union made sense in order to preserve the Croatian nation at the time. Croatia also managed to gain some territory through the union (a portion of Baranja). My understanding was the Ottomans briefly occupied Baranja and the Croatian nobles raised an army and took it back. The Hungarian crown recognized that Croatia was in a better position to occupy and defend the area, and thus transferred it to the Croatian nobles.

One of the funniest “insults” ever hurled at me by a Serbian nationalist was that I was a “Hungarian Mongrel”. I am not offended at all that I might have some Hungarian blood in me. In fact, I would be honoured to know if some of my ancestors were Hungarian.

2:

Croats generally have a good opinion about Hungarians.

Note that we shared a common country for 816 years but somehow haven’t developed deep animosities. I consider that quite an accomplishment.

After the death of medieval Croatian king Zvonimir and subsequent succession war between Croatian claimant Petar Snačić and Zvonimir’s wife brother, the Hungarian king Ladislau I succeeded by Coloman, Croatian nobles agreed that the best course of action is to enter a personal union with Hungary. Signing of the Pacta Conventa was an important milestone in Croatian-Hungarian relations. It was a very good basis for future relations because Hungary and Croatia remained two separate kingdoms under one ruler. Croatian nobility retained all their rights and laws and not even the border had shifted from the Drava river.

No colonization efforts ensued and only condition that was imposed on Croats was that in case of war every Croatian tribe must send 10 armored cavalrymen to king’s aid. As far as the Drava River (Croatia's northern boundary with Hungary) at their own expense. Beyond that point, the king paid the expenses. Croatia was usually ruled by the ban, sort of a viceroy.

(Croatian-Hungarian kingdom in 1102.)

Our relationship had it’s ups and downs, sometimes they treated us as a vassal state, other times we had complete autonomy.

I believe the key for our long cooperation was that Hungary, as a senior partner in the Union, never asked for too much.

After Croatia entered the Union with Hungary, Banate and later Kingdom of Bosnia occupied much of Croatian lands. Original Bosnians were bogumilist Christians (heretic Catholics) and easily expanded into nearby Catholic Croatian lands. I would argue that Bosnian expansion into Croatia was indeed made easier by Bosnia being an offshoot Croatian country liberating Croatia proper. Ruled by Croatian nobility, heck one of them was even called Hrvoje Hrvatinic (Hrvat=Croat), you can’t get much more Croatian than that. Today’s Bosniaks would claim that these Bosnians was a different people from Croats. It’s quite complicated because today’s Bosniaks are Muslim converts mostly from Catholicism but also from Orthodoxy in eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina. It’s a long story and I would rather not dwell into it here.

After fought side by side against the Ottomans, Croats even gained the title Bulwark of Christianity (Antemurale Christianitatis) by the Pope. During the wars with the Ottomans, Croats suffered terrible losses and lost the demographic majority in Bosnia, Herzegovina and parts of Croatia proper. We went from this

(blue being Croatia and redish being vassal states, mostly Catholic Croatian, made for easier defense against the swarming Ottomans)

to this

reliquiae reliquiarum olim inclyti regni Croatiae (Remnants of the remnants of once glorious/illustrious Croatian kingdom)-

Hungarians didn’t fare any better

Hungarians, however, got their reconquista,

Sadly, ours was very incomplete. During the centuries Croatian population in Bosnia decreased from being the absolute majority to today’s 15%.

We share many common heroes from that period, such as Nikola Šubić Zrinski, who died alongside his 2500 men defending Hungarian town of Siget against 100 000 Ottomans, thus repelling Ottoman advance towards Vienna.

The trouble in Croatian-Hungarian relations emerged with the Spring of Nations. Hungarians wanted independence from the Empire and Croats sided with the Austrians, seeing Hungarians as the bigger threat. However, after the revolution was suppressed punishment for Hungary was the same as reward for Croatia. Hungarian nationalists forced Hungarization onto Croats, making Hungarian the official language in their part of the Empire. Croats opposed these policies vehemently, refusing to become Hungarian province and insisting on their rights. Many people lost their jobs and were thrown out of schools. However, both our nations would soon face Germanization policies and Hungarian colonization attempts faded.

After the WWI Croatia entered the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and only ties with the Hungarians were Croats and Hungarians living together in Vojvodina, seeing that our borders were defined 800 years ago and didn’t have large minorities in each other’s countries. Croats which fled Ottoman incursions and settled Hungary were mostly Magyarized, only exception being Vojvodina. Subotica in Vojvodina was in the 19th century the city with the largest Croat population, bigger than Zagreb. If it were a part of Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia, it could have became the capital.

In WWII, Croats and Serbs living in parts of Vojvodina claimed by Hungary (Bačka region) were targets of persecution, displaced, some of them were killed.

I think the good relations we fostered thru centuries were party result of us being very different. Our language is intelligible also they are Ugro-finnic and we are Slavic.

If you asked a Croat in 1910. what he thought about Hungarians the answer would be a lot more negative. Being in Yugoslavia with Serbia made us appreciate Hungarians more. At least no one got shot in the parliament (like Stjepan Radić, Croatian political champion did in Belgrade in 1928.), the worst thing that happened in parliament was that Croatian ban Khuen Hedervary, who was a Hungarian puppet forcing Hungarization, was kicked in the ass, after sending some files to Budapest, by a Croatian representative, no harm was done, except to the Hedervary’s pride.

When Croatian Ban Jelačić was marching to Hungary to crush the Hungarian revolt in 1848. he stated that he means no harm to the Hungarian people, but is simply in war with the new Hungarian government. We as a nation dearly miss these good old times, before ethnic cleansing campaigns. Funny how 1848. seems more civilized than 1991.

In modern times, Hungary supported us during our War of independence and we appreciate that. Many Croatian Hungarians fought for Croatia alongside Croats during the war and we really appreciate that. Village Laslovo is one of such examples, Hungarians and Croats together defended the village from JNA and Serbian paramilitaries for 152 days. Hungarians in Croatia are an old minority. Distinguishable from Croats only by surnames, they are very integrated and respected. We view them as Croatians of Hungarian ethnicity, of course not meant as a means of making them Croats. We absolutely don’t mind them being Hungarian. It’s the ultimate thing a majority should strive for.

Like always, our current problems are of economical design. Croatian prime minister Sanader was allegedly bribed by an Hungarian official to sell Croatian oil company INA to Hungarian MOL. This seems to be one of the only strains our relations.


Hungarian tourists are welcome in Croatia and are, along with Czechs, Slovaks, Germans, Slovenes and Italians, one of the oldest guests.

[ProudBrit]

Balkan yes, Gypsy not. I posted my friend who is NE Hungarian and from Slovakia, she is very western shifted towards Belgium and west Germany.

He scores 1-2% south asian/ASI on every gedmatch calculator, he scores on DNA.LAND too "1.8% Indus Valley and 1.6% Indo-Iranian", and on 23andme he gets south-central asian and west asian(the markers for gipsy), altho in the 0.2-0.4% range(this doesnt matter, with next update he might aswell get 2-3%, 23andme jumps like that) and like 7% italian which is actually balkan and west asian.So yes, he is not much, maybe 1/32 gipsy, if we count in that gipsies aint pure south asian, but its obviously there.

[Voyt]

???

The world will turn over and inside out before an Eastern European invents a fake story about having gypsy ancestry, lol. Gypsies are seen as the furthest thing possible from cool/chad over there.

Anyways, Stears never said he had a gypsy ancestor. It's speculation based on him scoring minor South Asian on DNA tests.

I don't know what he actually said, but going off the testimony of others he tried to post-hoc revise his appraisal of Turkic and Balkan types by saying only one of his ancestors was some warrior Chad from that region, but that clearly makes no sense in light of everything we know about this dude. His Cuman/Balkan ancestry is clearly near half (with his mother being more Czech-like)

or maybe he has Cuman/Balkan near half and like 1.5% Gypsy

[ProudBrit]

I don't care what a Romanian or Serb say about it. Here are two Croats who wrote about Croatian-Hungarian relations on Quora.


Didn't read, if I wanted to read trash from Quora I could've googled it myself.

[ProudBrit]

North Atlantic and Baltic are both north-shifted populations, with Baltic merely being more eastern; for Stears to cluster close to Moldovans then he would have to have had an extremely east shifted significant ancestor (cuman/gypsy, whatever he wants to call it)


In which case he just clusters close to a population he never wanted to be a part of and then modifies his philosophy to incorporate that population into his "acceptables"

The more likely case though is that he had a few east-shifted ancestors and just made up some Chad "gypsy king" dude because it makes him look cool

I kid you not, Feiichy invented all sorts of things: that his szekel side mixed with csangos and then moved to Szekelyland, that he may have north caucasus ancestry, thats its conqueror etc... when he got his 23andme and he got 7% italian(which is proxy for west asian among balkanites and greeks), he invented a story on how its from and here's the bomb: from medieval italian merchants, which was dozens of generations ago...

[Voyt]

There is nothing western at Croatia

I would say Kajkavian Croats are German-like, since they are basically Slovenians, who are basically Austrians+Hungarians

[Deniz]

Thank you for the answer. I'm glad you're not bothered with these things. I asked because we have a similar situation. Thracian and Deniz may know better than me, some people in Turkey were calling Balkan Turks as not Turks, even more offensive like "Balkan shit." I born in Greece and i went to Turkey to study, and each people i met were asking me "Are you Greek?, How can you speak Turkish?" It was actually surprising for me haha.

It is understandable if you are not living in your own country the people where you live will call you with ridiculous names or will joke about you. But seeing such things in your own homeland would be more annoying.

Lol when ı was a child Some of asshats called me Bulgar here.Then they lost some of their teeths.ı m not sorry.:lol:Sure ı wouldnt do that with my current life view.

Our Bulgarian family friends still call us like that.One of them said our Turkic admixture coming from Proto Bulgarians and Cumans.Maybe they dont wanna see us as an Ottoman invaders but part of Bulgaria.

[Deniz]

Lol when ı was a child Some of asshats called me Bulgar here.Then they lost some of their teeths.ı m not sorry.:lol:Sure ı wouldnt do that with my current life view.

Our Bulgarian family friends still call us like that.One of them said our Turkic admixture coming from Proto Bulgarians and Cumans.Maybe they dont wanna see us as an Ottoman invaders but part of Bulgaria.

[Voyt]

I kid you not, Feiichy invented all sorts of things: that his szekel side mixed with csangos and then moved to Szekelyland, that he may have north caucasus ancestry, thats its conqueror etc... when he got his 23andme and he got 7% italian(which is proxy for west asian among balkanites and greeks), he invented a story on how its from and here's the bomb: from medieval italian merchants, which was dozens of generations ago...

Mental illness truly knows no bounds

[Jana]

There is nothing western at Croatia, you are closer to Turkey than to Britain or Germany in terms of culture."Central Europe" is synonymous for second-hand german, grow a spine already

No.

[ProudBrit]

I would say Kajkavian Croats are German-like, since they are basically Slovenians, who are basically Austrians+Hungarians

yes, croats are a mix of serbs and slovenians plus whatever other catholic nations migrated there.Catholics and muslims in Balkans are from Venetian and Ottoman incursions

[Pribislav]

There is nothing western at Croatia, you are closer to Turkey than to Britain or Germany in terms of culture."Central Europe" is synonymous for second-hand german, grow a spine already

Croatian Turkish looking beauties.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06/croatianfansAP_450x300.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NINTCHD8BPICT000418856304.jpg?strip=all&w=753

[Jana]

Didn't read, if I wanted to read trash from Quora I could've googled it myself.

I kindly repost highlight for you.

Being in Yugoslavia with Serbia made us appreciate Hungarians more.

[ProudBrit]

Mental illness truly knows no bounds

Before he got his 23andme, she was like"hah, i am happy Stears score gipsy, this will teach him ...", faking that she's happy that he is 'diverse' to show how tolerant croats are, but after she saw he can really be gipsy admixed she said something like "stop with this gypsy shit"

[Jana]

I kid you not, Feiichy invented all sorts of things: that his szekel side mixed with csangos and then moved to Szekelyland, that he may have north caucasus ancestry, thats its conqueror etc... when he got his 23andme and he got 7% italian(which is proxy for west asian among balkanites and greeks), he invented a story on how its from and here's the bomb: from medieval italian merchants, which was dozens of generations ago...

No.

And medieval Italian, French, German and Dutch merchants settling in towns of Kingdom of Hungary is well known fact. West Asian is west Asian, Italian is Italian.
And all Hungarians score it.

[Coastal Elite]

How close would a Romanian Swabian plot to Szekely?

[Voyt]

Before he got his 23andme, she was like"hah, i am happy Stears score gipsy, this will teach him ...", faking that she's happy that he is 'diverse' to show how tolerant croats are, but after she saw he can really be gipsy admixed she said something like "stop with this gypsy shit"

hahah
this makes me regret not browsing this forum in 2018
how long you think she leaves him after finding some Germanic Hungarian Chad?
Christ does she even know Hungarian?
She'll be left destitute on the streets and forced to panhandle or stand on corners

[Thracian]

Thanks for posting your results.
Interesting. :) Our siberian is really close.
What do you think about my east asian? Is it really just noise?

You are welcome! Indeed, they are. I think it is not a noise. As far as I know, below 1 can be considered as a noise but your Siberian score is very significant.

[Voyt]

I kindly repost highlight for you.

Being in Yugoslavia with Serbia made us appreciate Hungarians more.

If you hadn't joined Yugoslavia post-WW1 you'd be even worse off than you are now
You'd have had no rural Krajina folk to do your farming work for you
You'd probably have had to import south Italians to all your regions HAHAHAHAH

[ProudBrit]

No.

And medieval Italian, French, German and Dutch merchants steeling in towns of Kingdom of Hungary is well known fact. West Asian is west Asian, Italian is Italian.
And all Hungarians score it.
LOL, hungarians score what 0-2% on average, like romanians and its west asian not authentic italian, so how can Stears score 7% from something that happend during the Medieval aka dozens of generations ago?

I had 1.1% west asian, now i score 1.1% italian with 4 regions, can 23andme trace my ancient roman mixture from thousands of years ago to today italian regions?Of course not.

Same for greeks, who had a small chunk italian and its now fully west asian, sooner or later he'll have his changed too, same as how i had 0.1% asian, 0.5% , now 0%, same will his south-central asian increase and decrease, but its there.

Its the reason why we dont score american or british regions, because despite having relatives that mixed with them i and people from this region are 0% british and irish.On the other hand, we score some 'pseudo-italian' and because I, like many other balkanites have relatives who live in Italy we get italian regions.

And its not just 23andme, that gipsy follow him everywere: gedmatch, dna.land etc..so whats not to believe in 1/32 gipsy?

[Jana]

yes, croats are a mix of serbs and slovenians plus whatever other catholic nations migrated there.Catholics and muslims in Balkans are from Venetian and Ottoman incursions


Croatian Turkish looking beauties.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06/croatianfansAP_450x300.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NINTCHD8BPICT000418856304.jpg?strip=all&w=753


Before he got his 23andme, she was like"hah, i am happy Stears score gipsy, this will teach him ...", faking that she's happy that he is 'diverse' to show how tolerant croats are, but after she saw he can really be gipsy admixed she said something like "stop with this gypsy shit"

I will be honest. Croats have racial prejudice towards Serbs. They don't consider them really white people, and their popular culture like TurboFolk is combination of middle eastern and gypsy influence, so this really makes them look bad in our eyes. If Serbs were less oriental Croats would not have so much against similarity with them.

[ProudBrit]

I kindly repost highlight for you.

Being in Yugoslavia with Serbia made us appreciate Hungarians more.

Croatia was at its peak during Yugoslavia.Yugoslavia had the chance to become a powerhouse, but croats choose to join the list of the irrelevant slave countries of the west.It must be great for you, bend over for your masters to get leftover bones from the table, the west would never consider you their equals,unlike your fellow balkanites whom you cast aside.

[Jana]

If you hadn't joined Yugoslavia post-WW1 you'd be even worse off than you are now
You'd have had no rural Krajina folk to do your farming work for you
You'd probably have had to import south Italians to all your regions HAHAHAHAH

Farming? Croatian agriculture is centered in Slavonia. Krajina Serbs are not very good farmers, they were mostly border guards and later became policemen and such.
Big part of ''Krajina'' is desolate land.

[Pribislav]

More Croatian Turkish looking beauties.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pjsZhddNSNE/UxmcfVYsgsI/AAAAAAAAmjE/x_IrioELwrs/s1600/Croatian+Girls+14.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sohTqlsCJog/UxmhSTO8MfI/AAAAAAAAmjs/wWbMOuCp10E/s1600/Croatian+Girls+17.jpg
https://ss.metronews.ru/userfiles/materials/125/1258454/858x540.jpg
https://dosug.md/UserFiles/dosugmd_publication/max/2018/07/ivanaknoll-samayaseksualnayaho1.jpg

[Jana]

Croatia was at its peak during Yugoslavia.Yugoslavia had the chance to become a powerhouse, but croats choose to join the list of the irrelevant slave countries of the west.It must be great for you, bend over for your masters to get leftover bones from the table, the west would never consider you their equals,unlike your fellow balkanites whom you cast aside.

Yugoslavia was bankrupted already in early 1980s.

[Pribislav]

Farming? Croatian agriculture is centered in Slavonia. Krajina Serbs are not very good farmers, they were mostly border guards and later became policemen and such.
Big part of ''Krajina'' is desolate land.

Slavonian Serbs were good farmers. Some villages in Syrmia have developed agriculturally since 1990s when Slavonian Serbs settled in them.

In Dalmatia Serbs from Ravni Kotori were traditional agriculture producers, they especially worked vegetable farming.

[Voyt]

More Croatian Turkish looking beauties.

...



You are doing them a service to post such fit and healthy individuals who spend an hour a day on their appearance
No, this is what the typical crorat looks like:

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/8b/dc/b953fc1ec14a3628f450.jpeg

Chubby Slav features and ratty Illyro-Venetian features, the worst of both worlds (and God's punishment I suppose)

Feiichy should count her lucky stars she didn't turn out like a typical crorat, but instead she spits on her family by marrying some carny and still marching on with this patriotic Croat facade

But the older she gets, the more she will find out that her features are ... turning out more ratty by the decade !

[Daos777]

More Croatian Turkish looking beauties.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pjsZhddNSNE/UxmcfVYsgsI/AAAAAAAAmjE/x_IrioELwrs/s1600/Croatian+Girls+14.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sohTqlsCJog/UxmhSTO8MfI/AAAAAAAAmjs/wWbMOuCp10E/s1600/Croatian+Girls+17.jpg
https://ss.metronews.ru/userfiles/materials/125/1258454/858x540.jpg
https://dosug.md/UserFiles/dosugmd_publication/max/2018/07/ivanaknoll-samayaseksualnayaho1.jpg

How she going to be skinny with a double chin?

[Deniz]

More Croatian Turkish looking beauties.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pjsZhddNSNE/UxmcfVYsgsI/AAAAAAAAmjE/x_IrioELwrs/s1600/Croatian+Girls+14.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sohTqlsCJog/UxmhSTO8MfI/AAAAAAAAmjs/wWbMOuCp10E/s1600/Croatian+Girls+17.jpg
https://ss.metronews.ru/userfiles/materials/125/1258454/858x540.jpg
https://dosug.md/UserFiles/dosugmd_publication/max/2018/07/ivanaknoll-samayaseksualnayaho1.jpg

Send them here.We will accept them as a Central Euro Turks.

[Pribislav]

You are doing them a service to post such fit and healthy individuals who clearly care about their appearance
No, this is what the typical crorat looks like:

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/8b/dc/b953fc1ec14a3628f450.jpeg

Chubby Slav features and ratty Illyro-Venetian features, the worst of both worlds (and God's punishment I suppose)

Feiichy should count her lucky stars she didn't turn out like a typical Crorat, but instead she spits on her family by marrying some carny and still continuing on with this patriotic Croat facade

Honestly I don't care how they look like. I wanna to irritate nordist Feiichy (self declared Croatian).

[Jana]

You are doing them a service to post such fit and healthy individuals who spend an hour a day on their appearance
No, this is what the typical crorat looks like:

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/8b/dc/b953fc1ec14a3628f450.jpeg

Chubby Slav features and ratty Illyro-Venetian features, the worst of both worlds (and God's punishment I suppose)

Feiichy should count her lucky stars she didn't turn out like a typical crorat, but instead she spits on her family by marrying some carny and still marching on with this patriotic Croat facade

But the older she gets, the more she will find out that her features are ... turning out more ratty by the decade !

https://poskok.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/idiot.jpg
http://www.slobodna-bosna.ba/img/vijesti/2019/12/aleksandar-vulin.jpg
https://www.srbija.gov.rs/static/en/40003/0/img_40003.jpg

[Jana]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1458171173731.jpg

:victory0::1127:

[Voyt]

Honestly I don't care how they look like. I wanna to irritate nordist Feiichy (self declared Croatian).

Well she has a bunch of contradictions in her world-view, which is why she's sort of built the road in front of her into a path that leads every which way, but no actual specific way.

Anyway, I sort of feel bad for bullying an easy target like that, so I'll stop now (and apologies to the thread creator for this derailment, but at least your thread got more popular)

[Daos777]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1458171173731.jpg

:victory0::1127:

Dinarid hero


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[Jana]

Dinarid hero

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Armenoid-Indid

[Daos777]

Armenoid-Indid

Nope that’s what Unmixed Dinarid looks


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[Jana]

Nope that’s what Unmixed Dinarid looks

No wonder south orthodox nations look brown, for you it seems Gypsy-Serbs look European. xD

[Jana]

Mortimer is good Serbian patriot :)

[Daos777]

No wonder south orthodox nations look brown, for you it seems Gypsy-Serbs look European. xD

He doesn’t look Gypsy at all though. Just looks like an Illyrian man who lived in the mountains.

[Voyt]

^It isn't very nice to disparage gypsies like that @Feiichy
when your children will inherit 1% Untouchable Indid dna
(ok, final post)

[Insuperable]

Logs in Apricity to see what's going on and the same old story:

Pribislav can't spend a day without thinking about Croatia
Feiichy confused as always doesn't know what she wants
Some rat whose entire family look like rats calls other rats

[Kökény]

I only feel bad for poor andre, his thread turned into a warzone lol.

[Voyt]

Some rat whose entire family look like rats calls other rats

My family are indeed wishy-washy-with-their-allegiances, i.e. typical crorats
I invite you to post pics of your family though, Mr. Bosnian Crorat (assuming your ancestors weren't too ashamed to keep them, that is, what with all the chicanery your regions went through over the centuries)

[Voskos]

More Croatian Turkish looking beauties.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pjsZhddNSNE/UxmcfVYsgsI/AAAAAAAAmjE/x_IrioELwrs/s1600/Croatian+Girls+14.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sohTqlsCJog/UxmhSTO8MfI/AAAAAAAAmjs/wWbMOuCp10E/s1600/Croatian+Girls+17.jpg
https://ss.metronews.ru/userfiles/materials/125/1258454/858x540.jpg
https://dosug.md/UserFiles/dosugmd_publication/max/2018/07/ivanaknoll-samayaseksualnayaho1.jpg

Hahahaha.

[Insuperable]

I cluster in Central Europe, not with wogs.

Central Europe is Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic etc. Only most northern Croats are genetically Central European. That means Croats are wogs.

[Jana]

Central Europe is Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic etc. Only most northern Croats are genetically Central European. That means Croats are wogs.

Nope. That's where average clusters. Northrnmost Croats cluster with Czechs, for them many Hungarians and some Slovenians are wogs.

[Insuperable]

Nope. That's where average clusters. Northrnmost Croats cluster with Czechs, for them many Hungarians and some Slovenians are wogs.

Most Croats are outside CE cluster. And minority of Hungarians too. Deal with it.

[Jana]

^It isn't very nice to disparage gypsies like that @Feiichy
when your children will inherit 1% Untouchable Indid dna
(ok, final post)

He is Serbian ultranationalist and considered Serb by everyone, nobody ever mentioned he could be Gypsy.

[Jana]

Most Croats are outside CE cluster. And minority of Hungarians too. Deal with it.

There is southern and northern CE cluster.

[Insuperable]

There is southern and northern CE cluster.

The fuck I care. Most Croats are outside it. You can stylize it all you want by subjectively drawing borders of CE cluster. That is your problem.

[Jana]

The fuck I care. Most Croats are outside it. You can stylize it all you want by subjectively drawing borders of CE cluster. That is your problem.

No. This is how Croatian average plots.

Distance to: Croatian

0.01067506 Slovenian
0.01134400 Hungarian
0.01672726 Bosnian
0.01960292 Austrian
0.02391208 Czech
0.02786787 Montenegrin
0.02792097 German_East
0.02945454 Serbian
0.03156244 Slovakian
0.03283050 German
0.03549875 Romanian
0.03871632 Polish
0.03881577 French_Alsace
0.04088492 Macedonian
0.04104192 Ukrainian
0.04161830 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04255732 French_Nord
0.04454084 Swiss_German
0.04454664 Belgian
0.04491243 Bulgarian
0.04776870 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04804032 Dutch
0.04811048 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04835672 Moldavian
0.04894307 Italian_Northeast

[Insuperable]

No. This is how Croatian average plots.

Distance to: Croatian

0.01067506 Slovenian
0.01134400 Hungarian
0.01672726 Bosnian
0.01960292 Austrian
0.02391208 Czech
0.02786787 Montenegrin
0.02792097 German_East
0.02945454 Serbian
0.03156244 Slovakian
0.03283050 German
0.03549875 Romanian
0.03871632 Polish
0.03881577 French_Alsace
0.04088492 Macedonian
0.04104192 Ukrainian
0.04161830 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04255732 French_Nord
0.04454084 Swiss_German
0.04454664 Belgian
0.04491243 Bulgarian
0.04776870 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04804032 Dutch
0.04811048 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04835672 Moldavian
0.04894307 Italian_Northeast

You and your G25. Show me G25 plot.

[Deniz]

Nope. That's where average clusters. Northrnmost Croats cluster with Czechs, for them many Hungarians and some Slovenians are wogs.

I agree with you.And What is next?Mortimer is a Proto Serb?:lol:You know how to get a fun.Cheers.:D

[Jana]

You and your G25. Show me G25 plot.

https://i.imgur.com/6Oe6Tnr.png

[Jana]

I agree with you.And What is next?Mortimer is a Proto Serb?:lol:You know how to get a fun.Cheers.:D

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[ProudBrit]

There is southern and northern CE cluster.

LOL, whats next, a southern and northern cluster inside the southern and northern CE cluster?Anything, but balkan or to be put together with serbs.
Reality is that southern croats are by genetics and ydna largely serbs with some NW/slovenian mixture.

[Jana]

LOL, whats next, a southern and northern cluster inside the southern and northern CE cluster?Anything, but balkan or to be put together with serbs.
Reality is that southern croats are by genetics and ydna largely serbs with some NW/slovenian mixture.

Poles don't plot with Slovenians. And no. Even Bosnians are not Serbs, but mostly Croats.

[Insuperable]

https://i.imgur.com/6Oe6Tnr.png

Can't make out anything there. So tightly put, but looks like Croats are the most northern shifted Balkanites as expected, but outside CE cluster.


Eurogenes K36. Croatian average outside Central European sample.
https://i.postimg.cc/4ybcPL7J/K36-PCA-with-Ancestry-DNA-Data.png

[ProudBrit]

Poles don't plot with Slovenians. And no. Even Bosnians are not Serbs, but mostly Croats.

Which croats are like bosnians? those from Zagreb or NW ,which are the majority, and plot like p2ter with czechs? Good joke.
You have to let us know which ones are the real croats, the southern or northern ones.
Meanwhile NW serbs, and bosnian serbs plot exactly with bosnians, not to mention that you're speaking the serbian language now.
You're just a mix of serbs with some slovenian/nw croatian blood larping as catholics.

[Jana]

Can't make out anything there. So tightly put, but looks like Croats are the most northern shifted Balkanites as expected, but outside CE cluster.


Eurogenes K36. Croatian average outside Central European sample.
https://i.postimg.cc/4ybcPL7J/K36-PCA-with-Ancestry-DNA-Data.png

Very Innacurate, with Croatian samples provided by Dick who plot like Serbs.

[Insuperable]

Innacurate, with Croatian samples provided by Dick who plot like Serbs.

What are you talking about? G25 is innacurate. Now what?

[Jana]

Which croats are like bosnians? those from Zagreb or NW ,which are the majority, and plot like p2ter with czechs? Good joke.
You have to let us know which ones are the real croats, the southern or northern ones.
Meanwhile NW serbs, and bosnian serbs plot exactly with bosnians, not to mention that you're speaking the serbian language now.
You're just a mix of serbs with some slovenian/nw croatian blood larping as catholics.

No.

Distance to: Bosnian

0.01672726 Croatian
0.01826389 Montenegrin
0.02072247 Serbian
0.02145493 Slovenian
0.02405167 Hungarian

Serbs are mongrelised by East Balkan (Romanian and Bulgarian) admixture.

[Jana]

What are you talking about? G25 is innacurate. Now what?

G25 is based on academic samples, K36 is based on what Lukas collected on TA from Apricity members, totally non verified samples.
G25 shows what every pro research does.

[Insuperable]

G25 is based on academic samples, K36 is based on what Lukas collected on TA from Apricity members, totally non verified samples.
G25 shows what every pro research does.

Eurogenes' averages come from academic samples and from what is collected, mostly first. Are you sure that plot was made by Lukas and that averages don't come from Eurogenes' spreadsheet?

[ProudBrit]

No.

Distance to: Bosnian

0.01672726 Croatian
0.01826389 Montenegrin
0.02072247 Serbian
0.02145493 Slovenian
0.02405167 Hungarian

Serbs are mongrelised by East Balkan (Romanian and Bulgarian) admixture.

Again, which are the real croats, southern ones, which are a minority, or those like p2ter from the north?Because we're talking about 2 different genetic clusters.
Also, hilarious how montenegrin comes before serbian, but you keep saying how montenegrins are albo admixed serbs.
Once you make up your mind then we can discuss how southern ones are a mix of serbs and northern croats.
Also, i have never denied that serbs from Serbia don't have some extra eastern balkanite blood, it is expected, people admix with their neighbours over time.

[Jana]

Eurogenes' averages come from academic samples and from what is collected, mostly first. Are you sure that plot was made by Lukas?

Yes. You can ask him.

[Jana]

Again, which are the real croats, southern ones, which are a minority, or those like p2ter from the north?Because we're talking about 2 different genetic clusters.
Also, hilarious how montenegrin comes before serbian, but you keep saying how montenegrins are albo admixed serbs.
Once you make up your mind then we can discuss how southern ones are a mix of serbs and northern croats.
Also, i have never denied that serbs from Serbia don't have some extra eastern balkanite blood, it is expected, people admix with their neighbours over time.

Most northern Croats don't plot like Ph2ter, only NW ones do. NE Croats from Slavonia are much closer to southern and Bosnian Croats.
Central Croats are mix of NW and the rest.

[Insuperable]

Yes. You can ask him.

And are you sure he didn't use Eurogenes' averages?

[Jana]

And are you sure he didn't use Eurogenes' averages?

Why was he asking for kits if he did? As you can see Croats are much more southern than on Eurogenes, and Serbs significalty more northern (Dick gave him many samples)

[ProudBrit]

Most northern Croats don't plot like Ph2ter, only NW ones do. NE Croats from Slavonia are much closer to southern and Bosnian Croats.
Central Croats are mix of NW and the rest.

Of course, because NE Croats are also mainly serbs who have mixed with these slovenian-like croats a little bit, same for southern croats.
NW serbs, serbs from Bosnia are far closer to bosnians than any croat ethnicity.
You're nothing but an offshoot from serbs, with some fake hrvat iranian identity made on spot by the venetians.

[Jana]

Of course, because NE Croats are also mainly serbs who have mixed with these slovenian-ike croats a little bit, same for southern croats.
NW serbs, serbs from Bosnia are far closer to bosnians than any croat ethnicity.
You're nothing but an offshoot from serbs, with some fake hrvat iranian identity made on spot by the venetians.

No. Slavonian Croats are mostly from Bosnia, that's why they plot with them. Bosnian Serbs are most southern shifted ethnicity in Bosnia with most E-V13 haplogroup. Deal with it.

[Pribislav]

No. Slavonian Croats are mostly from Bosnia, that's why they plot with them. Bosnian Serbs are most southern shifted ethnicity in Bosnia with most E-V13 haplogroup. Deal with it.

Bosnian Serbs have higher R1a and I1 (real northern haplogroups) than Bosnian Croatians and Bosnian Muslims.

[Insuperable]

Why was he asking for kits if he did? As you can see Croats are much more southern than on Eurogenes, and Serbs significalty more northern (Dick gave him many samples)

Okay then. Then what is wrong with those samples he collected? They are not northern enough for you? If the situation was otherwise I am pretty positive you would have something to say against these infamous academic G25 samples. I see you are also bugged by Serbian samples because... I think we know why.

[Jana]

Bosnian Serbs have higher R1a and I1 (real northern haplogroups) than Bosnian Croatians and Bosnian Muslims.

And much higher E and J. I am refering to pro studies of Bosnian population, not irrelevant Serbian stats with which E1b keeps going down and northern haplogroups going up every year.
Anthropologists found you swarthiest population in Bosnia also.

[ProudBrit]

No. Slavonian Croats are mostly from Bosnia, that's why they plot with them. Bosnian Serbs are most southern shifted ethnicity in Bosnia with most E-V13 haplogroup. Deal with it.

So slavonian croats are mainly serbs that are a little bit admixed with this very northern like croatian element and who knows what other 'austro-hungarian' catholic like mixture.
Same for southern croats, because southern croats lived with these northern croats in same nation, a little bit of mixting is to be expected, for the same reason many serbs from Serbia are eastern balkanite admixed.

[Insuperable]

No. Slavonian Croats are mostly from Bosnia, that's why they plot with them. Bosnian Serbs are most southern shifted ethnicity in Bosnia with most E-V13 haplogroup. Deal with it.

They aren't. Bosnians are more or less the same.

[Pribislav]

And much higher E and J. I am refering to pro studies of Bosnian population, not irrelevant Serbian stats with which E1b keeps going down and northern haplogroups going up every year.
Anthropologists found you swarthiest population in Bosnia also.

Darkest group in BiH are Croatians from western Herzegovina. Wogs Zdravko Mamić and Milan Bandić are typical.

[Jana]

So slavonian croats are mainly serbs that are a little bit admixed with this very northern like croatian element and who knows what other 'austro-hungarian' catholic like mixture.
Same for southern croats, because croats lived with these croats in same nation, a little bit of mixture is to be expected, for the same reason many serbs from Serbia are eastern balkanite admixed.

Dude, Serbs are some Byzantine slave population which is heavily admixed with Vlachs. There was no migration of Serbs on Balkan, DAI most likely made that up since nobody else mentions is.
They are totally irrelevant for Croat ethnogenesis.

[Insuperable]

Darkest group in BiH are Croatians from western Herzegovina. Wogs Zdravko Mamić and Milan Bandić are typical.

True. Proud wogs here not complexed Pribislavs.

[Jana]

They aren't. Bosnians are more or less the same.

I refer to studies.

[Insuperable]

Dude, Serbs are some Byzantine slave population which is heavily admixed with Vlachs. There was no migration of Serbs on Balkan, DAI most likely made that up since nobody else mentions is.
They are totally irrelevant for Croat ethnogenesis.

Is he that Moldavian troll? I forgot his name.

[ProudBrit]

Dude, Serbs are some Byzantine slave population which is heavily admixed with Vlachs. There was no migration of Serbs on Balkan, DAI most likely made that up since nobody else mentions is.
They are totally irrelevant for Croat ethnogenesis.

Delirious, serbs plot nothing with vlachs, NW serbs are as close to bosnians as it gets, for example and so are many other serbs from the other parts.
Don't you score Slovenia on 23andme and have some german ancestry?Wow, i wonder were you'd "plot" had it not been for this slight northern push.

[Pribislav]

Dude, Serbs are some Byzantine slave population which is heavily admixed with Vlachs. There was no migration of Serbs on Balkan, DAI most likely made that up since nobody else mentions is.
They are totally irrelevant for Croat ethnogenesis.

Number of Catholic Serbs in Croatians is huge.

[Jana]

Darkest group in BiH are Croatians from western Herzegovina. Wogs Zdravko Mamić and Milan Bandić are typical.

No. Serbs from all over BiH look like Greeks, except far northern ones who assimilated Rusyn and Ukrainian migrant workers from Austro-Hungarian times.
BiH Croats have lightest skin and Bosniaks lightest eyes/hair by anthro research. Serbs are darkest in all 3.

[Jana]

Is he that Moldavian troll? I forgot his name.

Yes, IncelSlayer, Magyar-Croat offspring. He plots above Hungarian dot and scores Dalmatia on 23andme.

[ProudBrit]

Yes, IncelSlayer, Magyar-Croat offspring. He plots above Hungarian dot and scores Dalmatia on 23andme.

Good try, thats not me, i don't score any hungarian relative on 23andme(i even score 3-4 finns), you're confused... but i won't discuss further my genetics as i don't want to go offtopic.

[Insuperable]

No. Serbs from all over BiH look like Greeks, except far northern ones who assimilated Rusyn and Ukrainian migrant workers from Austro-Hungarian times.
BiH Croats have lightest skin and Bosniaks lightest eyes/hair by anthro research. Serbs are darkest in all 3.

Nope. BIH Croats are wogs. Anyway what is wrong with Lukas' samples, are they not northern enough for you? How many Croatian samples do you have to see to realize that if not most then a large chunk of Croats are genetically outside CE cluster, southern one if you like.

[Jana]

Delirious, serbs plot nothing with vlachs, NW serbs are as close to bosnians as it gets, for example and so are many other serbs from the other parts.
Don't you score Slovenia on 23andme and have some german ancestry?Wow, i wonder were you'd "plot" had it not been for this slight northern push.

NW Serbs like HungryLion? :laugh:
Many Serbs from Croatia plot with Serbian average.

My German per 23andme is 2%. And I have Serb ancestry which pulls me south.

[Pribislav]

No. Serbs from all over BiH look like Greeks, except far northern ones who assimilated Rusyn and Ukrainian migrant workers from Austro-Hungarian times.
BiH Croats have lightest skin and Bosniaks lightest eyes/hair by anthro research. Serbs are darkest in all 3.

Bullshit Austro-Hungarian propaganda created when they wanted to attack Serbia in early 20th century.

Herzegovinian Croatian singing group. Very Greek and southern Italian looking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy_eUIUq59c

[Jana]

Nope. BIH Croats are wogs. Anyway what is wrong with Lukas' samples, are they not northern enough for you? How many Croatian samples do you have to see to realize that if not most then a large chunk of Croats are genetically outside CE cluster, southern one if you like.

Dude, they are whiter than Gyposoid Serbs. Anthro research matters. I recently posted Serbs from east Bosnia (so called Aryan part of Bosnia) and they look like damn Greeks.

[ProudBrit]

NW Serbs like HungryLion? :laugh:
Many Serbs from Croatia plot with Serbian average.

My German per 23andme is 2%. And I have Serb ancestry which pulls me south.

Had your northern element been full from slavic invaders you'd have low north_sea and high baltic, like many bosniaks(being muslims they admixed far less with both catholic and eastern balkanites neighbours).its obvious that you're plotting more northern because of mixing with slovenians and nw croats a little bit.

[Jana]

Anyway what is wrong with Lukas' samples, are they not northern enough for you? How many Croatian samples do you have to see to realize that if not most then a large chunk of Croats are genetically outside CE cluster, southern one if you like.

Unrepresentative. I get Slovenia on K36 because Croatia is too southern. I don't want Serb giving Croatian kits to Lukas, they have agenda to make us a s close as possible.
On K36 Bosnia plot more south than Serbia too :laugh:

[Jana]

Bullshit Austro-Hungarian propaganda created when they wanted to attack Serbia in early 20th century.

Herzegovinian Croatian singing group. Very Greek and southern Italian looking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy_eUIUq59c

Yes, but they would be on lightest end for Serbs.

Serbs from eastern Bosnia

https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/7902929c/cae47d11/bosnia-orthodox-epiphany-visegrad-bosnia-herzegovina-shutterstock-editorial-7902929c.jpg
https://media2.trover.com/T/5a63b7ee7346c35d7f005590/fixedw_large_4x.jpg
https://pictures.reuters.com/Doc/RTR/Media/TR3/d/3/c/0/RTX4EYS3.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RDRK58/visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-19th-jan-2019-men-swim-to-retrieve-a-cross-from-the-water-during-epiphany-day-celebrations-in-visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-january-19-2019-credit-jasmin-brutusalamy-live-news-RDRK58.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RDRK57/visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-19th-jan-2019-men-swim-to-retrieve-a-cross-from-the-water-during-epiphany-day-celebrations-in-visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-january-19-2019-credit-jasmin-brutusalamy-live-news-RDRK57.jpg
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/10068260b/19ad7a1c/bosnia-epiphany-visegrad-bosnia-herzegovina-shutterstock-editorial-10068260b.jpg

[Pribislav]

Yes, but they would be on lightest end for Serbs.

Serbs from eastern Bosnia

https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/7902929c/cae47d11/bosnia-orthodox-epiphany-visegrad-bosnia-herzegovina-shutterstock-editorial-7902929c.jpg
https://media2.trover.com/T/5a63b7ee7346c35d7f005590/fixedw_large_4x.jpg
https://pictures.reuters.com/Doc/RTR/Media/TR3/d/3/c/0/RTX4EYS3.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RDRK58/visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-19th-jan-2019-men-swim-to-retrieve-a-cross-from-the-water-during-epiphany-day-celebrations-in-visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-january-19-2019-credit-jasmin-brutusalamy-live-news-RDRK58.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RDRK57/visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-19th-jan-2019-men-swim-to-retrieve-a-cross-from-the-water-during-epiphany-day-celebrations-in-visegrad-bosnia-and-herzegovina-january-19-2019-credit-jasmin-brutusalamy-live-news-RDRK57.jpg
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/10068260b/19ad7a1c/bosnia-epiphany-visegrad-bosnia-herzegovina-shutterstock-editorial-10068260b.jpg

Cherrypicked, but still whiter than Herzegovinian Croatians wogs.

[ProudBrit]

Mortimer is good Serbian patriot :)

What's so funny?Mortimer actually served in the army so he's far above the croats here.If more croat women took wimp husbands like Stears or that bengali muslim cook and more gypsies joined the serbian army, Croatia would be annexed in 1 or 2 generations

[Jana]

Had your northern element been full from slavic invaders you'd have low north_sea and high baltic, like many bosniaks(being muslims they admixed far less with both catholic and eastern balkanites neighbours).its obvious that you're plotting more northern because of mixing with slovenians and nw croats a little bit.

I am part NW Croat, but only 1/16.

[Jana]

Cherrypicked, but still whiter than Herzegovinian Croatians wogs.

No, because they are group photos and I posted first that came on google. They look less white, with ugly East Med/Gorid features, something alien for dinaric/med Herzegovina Croats.

[Jana]

What's so funny?Mortimer actually served in the army so he's far above the croats here.If more croat women took wimp husbands like Stears or that bengali muslim cook and more gypsies joined the serbian army, Croatia would be annexed in 1 or 2 generations

Because it was obligatory to do, same here. Now we have professional army, where Hrvoje will serve.

[Pribislav]

------

Will you cry because this Serbian girl from eastern Bosnia is whiter than you? German and Slovenian admixture doesn't help you this time!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BqSQnHTKU

[ProudBrit]

I am part NW Croat, but only 1/16.

Were did i imply its recent?Its a thing that happened over centuries, what did you expect?Of course all croats are admixed more or less between them, same as how serbs from southern Serbia are a little bit more southern genetically.

[Jana]

Will you cry because this Serbian girl from eastern Bosnia is whiter than you? German and Slovenian admixture doesn't help you this time!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BqSQnHTKU

Lol, posting one person to counterbalance many crowd photos. There are such individuals in Sicily and Syria too xD
She looks far less Nordic than me.

[Jana]

Were did i imply its recent?Its a thing that happened over centuries, what did you expect?Of course all croats are admixed more or less between them, same as how serbs from southern Serbia are a little bit more southern genetically.

There was no mixing of southern and NW Croats whatsoever and they lived in totally different countries for most of history. My Croatian ancestry is almost entirely southern.

[Daos777]

Who cares if you are dark wogs or albino wogs you’re all still wogs


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[Pribislav]

Lol, posting one person to counterbalack many crown photos. There are such individuals in Sicily and Syria too xD
She looks far less Nordic than me.

She is Borreby+Baltid, you are North Pontid+Uralid+Med.

[Voyt]

What's so funny?Mortimer actually served in the army so he's far above the croats here.If more croat women took wimp husbands like Stears or that bengali muslim cook and more gypsies joined the serbian army, Croatia would be annexed in 1 or 2 generations

holy-ultra-basedboi-kek

[Jana]

She is Borreby+Baltid, you are North Pontid+Uralid+Med.

Hahaha!
She is descendant of Saxon miners, you said it yourself xD

[Voyt]

She looks far less Nordic than me.

That's because Nords are paleo-med shifted, while Baltids are paleo-siberid shifted
Depends on if you prefer southron-med appearance or hyperborean-chink appearance

[Pribislav]

Hahaha!
She is descendant of Saxon miners, you said it yourself xD

I am pretty sure that her father doesn't have Germanic y dna.

[Jana]

I am pretty sure that her father doesn't have Germanic y dna.

She is from Saxon village, thus her look

[ProudBrit]

There was no mixing of southern and NW Croats whatsoever and they lived in totally different countries for most of history. My Croatian ancestry is almost entirely southern.

I have never implied that southern croats are identical or close to p2ter northern croats, but some mixture did occur, its obvious, same as you know of 1/16.
Its enough to check your gedmatch high North_Sea to baltic ratio compared to bosnians, you're austrian/hungarian-like on k15 and for sure this did not come from the slavs, unless they were central euro like p2ter in which case we're back at this: northern croats are true croats and southern ones are serbs who mixed with them.
Make your dad just a tiny bit more southern and suddently he's a full serb genetically.

[Pribislav]

She is from Saxon village, thus her look

Wrong, she is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratunac

[Jana]

I have never implied that southern croats are identical or close to p2ter northern croats, but some mixture did occur, its obvious, same as you know of 1/16.
Its enough to check your gedmatch high North_Sea to baltic ratio compared to bosnians, you're austrian/hungarian-like on k15 and for sure this did not come from the slavs, unless they were central euro like p2ter in which case we're back at this: northern croats are true croats and southern ones are serbs who mixed with them.
Make your dad just a tiny bit more southern and suddently he's a full serb genetically.

My dad doesn't plot with Serbs at all, I posted his results many times. My whole family plots tightly togheder.
Why don't you plot with other southern moldovans?

Difference between them and you is like between Germans and Greeks. Hahaha!

[ProudBrit]

My dad doesn't plot with Serbs at all, I posted his results many times. My whole family plots tightly togheder.

I have said that IF your dad was a tiny bit more southern, he'd fit called full serb genetically, but now because of some tiny 'austro-hungarian' mixture your I2 dad can be called full hrvat.
You're just a tiny 'austro-hungarian' admixed I2 serbs larping as slavs, didn't you say you're guessed as german in Croatia?:clap:

[Pribislav]

My dad doesn't plot with Serbs at all, I posted his results many times. My whole family plots tightly togheder.
Why don't you plot with other southern moldovans?

Difference between them and you is like between Germans and Greeks. Hahaha!

Serbian academic average is heavy outdated. Only southern Serbs and Montenegrins ploting close to so called Serbian average, others are mostly more northern (last few dozens results which I saw).


In y dna your dad has a match with Serb, you admited that.

[Jana]

I have said that IF your dad was a tiny bit more southern, he'd fit called full serb genetically, but now because of some tiny 'austro-hungarian' mixture your I2 dad can be called full hrvat.
You're just a tiny 'austro-hungarian' admixed I2 serbs larping as slavs, didn't you say you're guessed as german in Croatia?:clap:

Yes, but my genetics is typical. Deal with it.
Serbs are more mongrel us, than the opposite. Deal with that too.

[Jana]

Serbian academic average is heavy outdated. Only southern Serbs and Montenegrins ploting close to so called Serbian average, others are mostly more northern (last few dozens results which I saw).

In y dna your dad has a match with Serb, you admited that.

And much more Croatian, also south Italian and Hungarian matches. None of them particulary close.

[Pribislav]

I have said that IF your dad was a tiny bit more southern, he'd fit called full serb genetically, but now because of some tiny 'austro-hungarian' mixture your I2 dad can be called full hrvat.
You're just a tiny 'austro-hungarian' admixed I2 serbs larping as slavs, didn't you say you're guessed as german in Croatia?:clap:

Croatians are genetically basically Austro-Hungarian influenced Serbs. Except NW Croatians who are Slovenes in denial.

[Jana]

Croatians are genetically basically Austro-Hungarian influenced Serbs. Except NW Croatians who are Slovenes in denial.

Serbs are basically mix of Croats, Bulgarians and Albanians with Gypsy/Turkish cultural influence.

[Jana]

Serb pop culture, does it sound European to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbS5CAQYO78

[Pribislav]

And much more Croatian, also south Italian and Hungarian matches. None of them particulary close.

I am sure that Serb from Bosanska Krajina is closer to your ćaća than Italians and Hungarians.

What a fuch I2-PH908 in southern Italy? I never heard for existence of that clade in southern Italy.

[ProudBrit]

Yes, but my genetics is typical. Deal with it.
Serbs are more mongrel us, than the opposite. Deal with that too.

Never denied this, in fact, this is what i have been saying all along, a little bit of 'austro-hungarian'/slovenian like mixture on a serbian basis and a catholic identity is what the modern croats are.