Lower Sorbian Global25

[Peterski]

Sorb_Niederlausitz (from Brandenburg), 100 closest population averages using scaled data:


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Polish
0.1881539
Ukrainian
0.2264011
Slovakian
0.2522317
HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.2631802
Russian_Voronez
0.3014856
Belarusian
0.3042430
Russian_Orel
0.3058584
RUS_Sunghir_MA
0.3093027
Czech
0.3188788
Russian_Smolensk
0.3235730
Russian_Kursk
0.3380001
Cossack_Ukrainian
0.3435758
German_East
0.3745789
CZE_Early_Slav
0.3749709
Slovenian
0.4034556
Hungarian
0.4069312
Bell_Beaker_CZE_o
0.4095100
KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
0.4114785
Russian_Tver
0.4149023
Croatian
0.4161830
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine
0.4301018
Lithuanian
0.4484063
Estonian
0.4722740
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
0.4725124
Austrian
0.4972096
Bosnian
0.5169568
Swedish
0.5184462
BGR_Varna_En3
0.5191895
DEU_Welzin_BA
0.5206217
German
0.5322869
Cossack_Kuban
0.5344999
Latvian
0.5357708
HUN_LBA
0.5429122
Baltic_EST_MA
0.5609833
SWE_IA
0.5686480
CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.5807724
DEU_Unetice_EBA
0.5869388
DEU_MA
0.5878429
Nordic_BA
0.5905830
Scythian_MDA_o2
0.6056842
Scythian_HUN
0.6107020
Baltic_EST_IA
0.6116250
Dutch
0.6151599
Russian_Kostroma
0.6223170
SVK_Poprad_MA
0.6234147
Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.6280790
DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.6283749
POL_Unetice_EBA
0.6285265
DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.6305605
POL_EBA
0.6310617
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.6328814
Icelandic
0.6385949
Norwegian
0.6455279
Ingrian
0.6468663
Montenegrin
0.6472933
England_Saxon
0.6485718
Corded_Ware_Baltic
0.6490789
Corded_Ware_POL
0.6513874
Shetlandic
0.6531500
Mordovian
0.6548514
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.6556048
Wales_CA_EBA
0.6557667
HUN_Mako_EBA
0.6570474
Bell_Beaker_POL
0.6571661
Welsh
0.6583860
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.6591582
Baltic_LTU_BA
0.6595619
Finnish
0.6603923
CZE_EBA
0.6630937
Nordic_LN
0.6656422
Orcadian
0.6673279
England_Roman
0.6693429
England_IA
0.6705184
Serbian
0.6709155
HUN_MA_Szolad
0.6725897
Scotland_MBA
0.6747720
Scottish
0.6779177
England_CA_EBA
0.6808553
England_MBA
0.6812758
RUS_Ingria_IA
0.6839783
English
0.6852020
French_Brittany
0.6861026
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.6886749
HUN_MA_Szolad_o2
0.6904721
French_East
0.6931951
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
0.6932276
Bell_Beaker_FRA
0.6969981
English_Cornwall
0.6980915
Bell_Beaker_England
0.7023650
UKR_Dereivka_I_En2
0.7056122
Bell_Beaker_NLD
0.7068727
Scotland_CA_EBA
0.7080170
IRL_BA
0.7112757
Irish
0.7117298
POL_Chopice_Wesele_Culture
0.7128132
Scotland_LBA
0.7139227
Belgian
0.7173907
SWE_Battle-Axe
0.7252456
Nordic_MN_B
0.7273357
NLD_BA
0.7288892

[Peterski]

Sorb_Niederlausitz (from Brandenburg), 20 closest ancient samples (using scaled data and a spreadsheet from 27 May):


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Avar_Hungary_Szolad:Av1
0.2712850
Sunghir_Medieval:Sunghir6
0.3093027
Scythian_Ukraine:scy009
0.3273887
Avar_Hungary_Szolad:Av2
0.3454520
Slavic_Bohemia:RISE569
0.3749709
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
0.3771377
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160
0.4092576
Beaker_Czech:I5025
0.4095100
Beaker_Bavaria:I5531
0.4097434
Kazakhstan_Golden_Horde_Euro:DA29
0.4114785
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026
0.4480506
Scythian_Hungary:DA197
0.4862742
Scythian_Hungary:DA191
0.4951488
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84005
0.4990763
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97002
0.5004442
Varna_o:ANI163
0.5191895
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
0.5225736
Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ12
0.5412907
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021
0.5426167
Hungary_BA:I1504
0.5427908

[Dick]

what are his coordinates. i have updated spreadsheets from August

[Peterski]

i have updated spreadsheets from August

Download the latest version of spreadsheets (September), all coordinates are there.

[Dick]

Download the latest version of spreadsheets (September), all coordinates are there.

Dont see a Sept. update. surely he must be close to some German middle ages samples

[Figaro]

Dick was right after all. Many Pannonia Avars were likely just acculturated Slavs.

[Peterski]

Apparently Scythian scy009 was also an acculturated Early Slav.

[michal3141]

Apparently Scythian scy009 was also an acculturated Early Slav.

Yes. Scythians and Avars were early Slavs.

[Peterski]

Yes. Scythians and Avars were early Slavs.

Only some of the Scythians are similar to Slavs, others aren't:

https://i.imgur.com/lOHbCz3.png

[michal3141]

Only some of the Scythians are similar to Slavs, others aren't:

https://i.imgur.com/lOHbCz3.png

OK. Scythians were very diverse. Still East-Euro + Steppe like.

[vbnetkhio]

av1
Kit PQ1868516

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.64
2 North_Atlantic 28.66
3 West_Med 11.87
4 West_Asian 8.37
5 East_Med 7.14
6 South_Asian 1.5
7 Amerindian 0.96
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Oceanian 0.26
10 Sub-Saharan 0.06
11 Northeast_African 0.02
12 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 3.15
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 3.21
3 Ukrainian 3.81
4 Croatian 5.47
5 Polish 6.27
6 Southwest_Russian 7.49
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.59
8 Russian_Smolensk 8.5
9 Moldavian 8.57
10 Hungarian 9.12
11 Estonian_Polish 9.32
12 Belorussian 9.88
13 East_German 11.14
14 Kargopol_Russian 11.99
15 Austrian 12.54
16 Southwest_Finnish 13.25
17 Estonian 13.42
18 Lithuanian 13.96
19 Finnish 14.35
20 Erzya 14.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.49
2 82.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 17.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.56
3 80.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.56
4 82.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 17.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.62
5 83% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 17% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.63
6 81.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.69
7 95.6% South_Polish + 4.4% Abhkasian @ 1.73
8 95.4% South_Polish + 4.6% Georgian @ 1.73
9 95.5% South_Polish + 4.5% Armenian @ 1.75
10 76.3% South_Polish + 23.7% Moldavian @ 1.77
11 81.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.6% Southwest_French @ 1.77
12 94.8% South_Polish + 5.2% Adygei @ 1.78
13 94.4% South_Polish + 5.6% Kumyk @ 1.79
14 95.3% South_Polish + 4.7% Kurdish @ 1.81
15 95.5% South_Polish + 4.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.81
16 81.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.83
17 81.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.84
18 94.8% South_Polish + 5.2% Balkar @ 1.86
19 95.4% South_Polish + 4.6% Iranian @ 1.87
20 94.6% South_Polish + 5.4% Kabardin @ 1.88


av1 could really be a proto Slav? all Slavic people usually get modeled as Ukraine + something, but also South Polish or Ukraine Lviv

and there was av2 buried in that same grave, she was pretty different from both these
MK9885731

[Peterski]

Dont see a Sept. update.

Download links are always the same (check on Eurogenes blog). Also, poi has just updated the online version (http://185.144.156.77:3000/).

[Dick]

Download links are always the same (check on Eurogenes blog). Also, poi has just updated the online version (http://185.144.156.77:3000/).

Ok I dont know how to model myself as half paleo Balkan. it seems to work best with Italy Collegno to get a closer fit.

"fit": 2.1901,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 65,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 35


"fit": 2.579,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 69.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 30.83,


"fit": 2.742,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 62.5,
"BGR_IA": 37.5,


"fit": 3.9479,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 75,
"SRB_Starcevo_N": 25,

[Lucas]

Ok I dont know how to model myself as half paleo Balkan. it seems to work best with Italy Collegno to get a closer fit.

"fit": 2.1901,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 65,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 35


"fit": 2.579,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 69.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 30.83,


"fit": 2.742,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 62.5,
"BGR_IA": 37.5,


"fit": 3.9479,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 75,
"SRB_Starcevo_N": 25,

I doubt original Slavic part in case of your ancestor was like modern Niederlausitz Sorbian. But interesting anyway.

[andre]

Ok I dont know how to model myself as half paleo Balkan. it seems to work best with Italy Collegno to get a closer fit.

"fit": 2.1901,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 65,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 35


"fit": 2.579,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 69.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 30.83,


"fit": 2.742,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 62.5,
"BGR_IA": 37.5,


"fit": 3.9479,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 75,
"SRB_Starcevo_N": 25,

The best model for us balkanics is Tuscan+Smolensk (balkanic+slavic)

[Dick]

The best model for us balkanics is Tuscan+Smolensk (balkanic+slavic)

Thats not what I tried. Tuscans have a good chunk of steppe. I don’t think they are representative of paleo Balkan before Slavic migration. Maybe Minoan or Sardinian

[Yamnaya]

Is this modern populations? Do you have a chart that includes yamnaya?

[vbnetkhio]

Thats not what I tried. Tuscans have a good chunk of steppe. I don’t think they are representative of paleo Balkan before Slavic migration. Maybe Minoan or Sardinian

Paleo Balkanites were more neolithic than modern Italians, but not that much. closer to Italians than to Sardinians. at least according to k15

https://i.imgur.com/D1AXgrE.png

[Dick]

Paleo Balkanites were more neolithic than modern Italians, but not that much. closer to Italians than to Sardinians. at least according to k15

https://i.imgur.com/D1AXgrE.png
Ok in this case I use mycenian since Sicilian shows up more in oracles. Better fit with Collegno

"fit": 2.3923,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 67.5,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 32.5,

[vbnetkhio]

Ok in this case I use mycenian since Sicilian shows up more in oracles. Better fit with Collegno

"fit": 2.3923,
"Sorb_Niederlausitz": 67.5,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 32.5,

that's the Collegno outlier. he was probably a early medieval Greek. makes sense you are closer to him than to the Mycenaean

[Dick]

that's the Collegno outlier. he was probably a early medieval Greek. makes sense you are closer to him than to the Mycenaean

Yup

[Genetic]

Nice results.