Indian BRAHMIN (upper caste) averages by state (WE, EE, South Indian)

[Thambi]

These are brahmin averages from different regions in India based on HarappaWorld samples. Brahmins are the upper caste groups according to the hindu hierarchy system. I couldn't find any brahmin samples for east-central indian states (Chattisgarh and Jharkhand). Northeast India doesnt really have a brahmin/upper caste culture since they usually are majority buddhist/christian, except for assam and manipur, but i couldnt find any brahmin samples from those regions. So I left two central Indian states and northeast India out of this.

Pops used
Jammu and Kashmir = Kashmiri Pandit. Pandit means brahmin.
Himachal Pradesh = Kenji (himachal brahmin) user from AS and his family. I used him in middle caste as well previously.
rest are just brahmin samples/averages on harappa spreadsheets according to each state.

SOUTH INDIAN
https://i.imgur.com/7yPUNs2.png

WEST EURASIAN (BALOCH, CAUCASIAN, NE EURO, MED, SW ASIAN)
https://i.imgur.com/RJgJAUn.png

EAST EURASIAN (NE ASIAN, SE ASIAN, SIBERIAN)
https://i.imgur.com/g7LMiUr.png

BALOCH
https://i.imgur.com/xX9CVVC.png

NORTHEAST EUROPEAN
https://i.imgur.com/30OanR4.png

CAUCASIAN
https://i.imgur.com/83SRZi9.png

[SharpFork]

Oh nice! Thanks for posting this.

Brahmins in the North-West are not more West Eurasian than Middle Caste Indians? That's surprising. This makes Jatts from the region even more special.
Though what's also really surprising is how homogeneous they appear to be throughout all India, you hinted at that but it's more than I imagined.

[Thambi]

Oh nice! Thanks for posting this.

Brahmins in the North-West are not more West Eurasian than Middle Caste Indians? That's surprising. This makes Jatts from the region even more special.
Though what's also really surprising is how homogeneous they appear to be throughout all India, you hinted at that but it's more than I imagined.

yes jatts are the most western shifted in india. Punjabi brahmins are actually slightly more ASI shifted than them. In kashmir, punjab, haryana, himachal, and uttarakhand to an extent, there arent huge differences between upper and middle castes. In rest of india however there are noticeable differences between upper, middle, and lower.

[Bakha]

Do you have kit numbers? Wanna check for shared ancestry lol

[Thambi]

Do you have kit numbers? Wanna check for shared ancestry lol

I sent a PM. The averages on the map above are directly from harappa spreadsheet though.

[Alenka]

Is there any research that includes all the other castes aswell? Curious to see what the average is like and how much the groups would differ from one another. I wanna compare and contrast these Brahmins to the Dalits.

[SharpFork]

Is there any research that includes all the other castes aswell? Curious to see what the average is like and how much the groups would differ from one another. I wanna compare and contrast these Brahmins to the Dalits.
He already did Middle Castes and Tribal groups:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298571-Indian-middle-caste-averages-by-State-(S-Indian-W-Eurasian-and-E-Eurasian)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298800-Indian-TRIBAL-averages-by-state-(WE-EE-South-Indian)

[Alenka]

He already did Middle Castes and Tribal groups:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298571-Indian-middle-caste-averages-by-State-(S-Indian-W-Eurasian-and-E-Eurasian)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298800-Indian-TRIBAL-averages-by-state-(WE-EE-South-Indian)
Thanks for the links, I haven't yet seen these. Interesting.

[Leto]

I believe Nepali Brahmins have more European than that. Up to 15%. On Anthrogenica there are a couple of Nepali guys, poi is one of them.

[hussein khan]

These are brahmin averages from different regions in India based on HarappaWorld samples. Brahmins are the upper caste groups according to the hindu hierarchy system. I couldn't find any brahmin samples for east-central indian states (Chattisgarh and Jharkhand). Northeast India doesnt really have a brahmin/upper caste culture since they usually are majority buddhist/christian, except for assam and manipur, but i couldnt find any brahmin samples from those regions. So I left two central Indian states and northeast India out of this.

Pops used
Jammu and Kashmir = Kashmiri Pandit. Pandit means brahmin.
Himachal Pradesh = Kenji (himachal brahmin) user from AS and his family. I used him in middle caste as well previously.
rest are just brahmin samples/averages on harappa spreadsheets according to each state.

SOUTH INDIAN
https://i.imgur.com/7yPUNs2.png

WEST EURASIAN (BALOCH, CAUCASIAN, NE EURO, MED, SW ASIAN)
https://i.imgur.com/RJgJAUn.png

EAST EURASIAN (NE ASIAN, SE ASIAN, SIBERIAN)
https://i.imgur.com/g7LMiUr.png

BALOCH
https://i.imgur.com/xX9CVVC.png

NORTHEAST EUROPEAN
https://i.imgur.com/30OanR4.png

CAUCASIAN
https://i.imgur.com/83SRZi9.png

Hey, can you tell me where this qAdmn thing is? That kind of calculator/test(whatever it is) is? The kind dilawer always mentioned? I cant really find it though and i thought you might help. Also, D-stats and eurasia k9 would be nice too(cant find eurasia k9 anymore).

[Thambi]

Hey, can you tell me where this qAdmn thing is? That kind of calculator/test(whatever it is) is? The kind dilawer always mentioned? I cant really find it though and i thought you might help. Also, D-stats and eurasia k9 would be nice too(cant find eurasia k9 anymore).

I'm not sure actually. you should ask someone on AG. they're more knowledgeable regarding that stuff.

[Thambi]

I believe Nepali Brahmins have more European than that. Up to 15%. On Anthrogenica there are a couple of Nepali guys, poi is one of them.

yeah i have one nepali brahmin sample that goes till 16.5% euro. Not sure if its that common though. most are around 12-13%.

QC3476584
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.22
2 Baloch 33.37
3 NE-Euro 16.54
4 Caucasian 5.92
5 NE-Asian 4.39
6 E-African 1.29
7 SE-Asian 1.25
8 American 0.84
9 Pygmy 0.47
10 Siberian 0.32
11 Papuan 0.22
12 Mediterranean 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 nepalese-a (xing) 5.85
2 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.36
3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.22
4 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.46
5 up-muslim (harappa) 9.87
6 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.3
7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 10.32
8 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.67
9 punjabi (harappa) 11.08
10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.4
11 vaish (reich) 11.42
12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.42
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.61
14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.66
15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.81
16 kashmiri (harappa) 12.27
17 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 12.46
18 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 12.9
19 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 13.09
20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 13.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 4.48
2 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% russian (behar) @ 4.63
3 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.67
4 94.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.4% belorussian (behar) @ 4.68
5 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 4.8
6 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.83
7 94.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.3% slovenian (xing) @ 4.98
8 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 5.07
9 80.5% gujarati (harappa) + 19.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.13
10 91.6% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 5.13
11 95.4% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 5.15
12 93.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.1% onge (reich) @ 5.16
13 93.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.9% great-andamanese (reich) @ 5.2
14 95.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 5.2
15 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% chuvash (behar) @ 5.22
16 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% kharia (chaubey) @ 5.22
17 79.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.24
18 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
19 90.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.8% russian (hgdp) @ 5.26
20 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% savara (chaubey) @ 5.26

[hussein khan]

yeah i have one nepali brahmin sample that goes till 16.5% euro. Not sure if its that common though. most are around 12-13%.

QC3476584
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.22
2 Baloch 33.37
3 NE-Euro 16.54
4 Caucasian 5.92
5 NE-Asian 4.39
6 E-African 1.29
7 SE-Asian 1.25
8 American 0.84
9 Pygmy 0.47
10 Siberian 0.32
11 Papuan 0.22
12 Mediterranean 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 nepalese-a (xing) 5.85
2 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.36
3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.22
4 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.46
5 up-muslim (harappa) 9.87
6 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.3
7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 10.32
8 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.67
9 punjabi (harappa) 11.08
10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.4
11 vaish (reich) 11.42
12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.42
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.61
14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.66
15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.81
16 kashmiri (harappa) 12.27
17 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 12.46
18 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 12.9
19 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 13.09
20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 13.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 4.48
2 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% russian (behar) @ 4.63
3 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.67
4 94.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.4% belorussian (behar) @ 4.68
5 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 4.8
6 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.83
7 94.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.3% slovenian (xing) @ 4.98
8 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 5.07
9 80.5% gujarati (harappa) + 19.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.13
10 91.6% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 5.13
11 95.4% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 5.15
12 93.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.1% onge (reich) @ 5.16
13 93.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.9% great-andamanese (reich) @ 5.2
14 95.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 5.2
15 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% chuvash (behar) @ 5.22
16 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% kharia (chaubey) @ 5.22
17 79.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.24
18 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
19 90.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.8% russian (hgdp) @ 5.26
20 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% savara (chaubey) @ 5.26

Actually, i saw some gujarati brahmin sample getting almost the same results. 36% SI, but 17% ne-euro. That might be frequently amongst some brahmins….

[Leto]

Actually, i saw some gujarati brahmin sample getting almost the same results. 36% SI, but 17% ne-euro. That might be frequently amongst some brahmins….
Huge Aryan input for the region. Possibly 1/3 Steppe.

[hussein khan]

Huge Aryan input for the region. Possibly 1/3 Steppe.

guess some indians kept their indo-aryan lineage. Just annoying i cant find any indians above 21% NE-euro. Jatts with higher than 20% Arent majority. WIshed we had more jatt samples. Cant even see ror samples even...

[NPKTO]

yeah i have one nepali brahmin sample that goes till 16.5% euro. Not sure if its that common though. most are around 12-13%.

QC3476584
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.22
2 Baloch 33.37
3 NE-Euro 16.54
4 Caucasian 5.92
5 NE-Asian 4.39
6 E-African 1.29
7 SE-Asian 1.25
8 American 0.84
9 Pygmy 0.47
10 Siberian 0.32
11 Papuan 0.22
12 Mediterranean 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 nepalese-a (xing) 5.85
2 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.36
3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.22
4 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.46
5 up-muslim (harappa) 9.87
6 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.3
7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 10.32
8 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.67
9 punjabi (harappa) 11.08
10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.4
11 vaish (reich) 11.42
12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.42
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.61
14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.66
15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.81
16 kashmiri (harappa) 12.27
17 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 12.46
18 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 12.9
19 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 13.09
20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 13.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 4.48
2 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% russian (behar) @ 4.63
3 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.67
4 94.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.4% belorussian (behar) @ 4.68
5 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 4.8
6 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.83
7 94.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.3% slovenian (xing) @ 4.98
8 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 5.07
9 80.5% gujarati (harappa) + 19.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.13
10 91.6% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 5.13
11 95.4% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 5.15
12 93.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.1% onge (reich) @ 5.16
13 93.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.9% great-andamanese (reich) @ 5.2
14 95.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 5.2
15 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% chuvash (behar) @ 5.22
16 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% kharia (chaubey) @ 5.22
17 79.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.24
18 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
19 90.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.8% russian (hgdp) @ 5.26
20 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% savara (chaubey) @ 5.26

There are couple others with 16% NE Euro + 2% or so Med admixture.
https://i.imgur.com/WhEMwhP.jpg

But I would say most are scoring like this:
https://i.imgur.com/haW9PTE.jpg

[Adamastor]

You should use other calculators to point the average W. Eurasian, South Indian and E. Eurasian they have. This one isn't really accurate imo.

[hussein khan]

There are couple others with 16% NE Euro + 2% or so Med admixture.
https://i.imgur.com/WhEMwhP.jpg

Seems like around 3-5% mong admix isnt impossible for desis to get either.
Even got some samples with desis getting some mong:

M114250

A119857

PN3786314

QJ8279796

A487046

ALways thougt both pashtuns and desis wont get above 2% mong usually.

[hussein khan]

There are couple others with 16% NE Euro + 2% or so Med admixture.
https://i.imgur.com/WhEMwhP.jpg

Seems like around 3-5% mong admix isnt impossible for desis to get either.
Even got some samples with desis getting some mong:

M114250

A119857

PN3786314

QJ8279796

A487046

ALways thougt both pashtuns and desis wont get above 2% mong usually.

[SharpFork]

By Mong you mean the kind you get from Turko-Mongolic people?

[Leto]

You should use other calculators to point the average W. Eurasian, South Indian and E. Eurasian they have. This one isn't really accurate imo.
HarappaWorld was designed primarily for South Asians. Using Eurogenes for Indians is no good.

[Leto]

By Mong you mean the kind you get from Turko-Mongolic people?
All Mongoloid components (Siberian, East Asian, Southeast Asian, Beringian, etc.).

[Kamal900]

yeah i have one nepali brahmin sample that goes till 16.5% euro. Not sure if its that common though. most are around 12-13%.

QC3476584
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.22
2 Baloch 33.37
3 NE-Euro 16.54
4 Caucasian 5.92
5 NE-Asian 4.39
6 E-African 1.29
7 SE-Asian 1.25
8 American 0.84
9 Pygmy 0.47
10 Siberian 0.32
11 Papuan 0.22
12 Mediterranean 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 nepalese-a (xing) 5.85
2 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.36
3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.22
4 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.46
5 up-muslim (harappa) 9.87
6 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.3
7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 10.32
8 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.67
9 punjabi (harappa) 11.08
10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.4
11 vaish (reich) 11.42
12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.42
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.61
14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.66
15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.81
16 kashmiri (harappa) 12.27
17 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 12.46
18 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 12.9
19 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 13.09
20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 13.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 4.48
2 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% russian (behar) @ 4.63
3 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.67
4 94.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.4% belorussian (behar) @ 4.68
5 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 4.8
6 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.83
7 94.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.3% slovenian (xing) @ 4.98
8 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 5.07
9 80.5% gujarati (harappa) + 19.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.13
10 91.6% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 5.13
11 95.4% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 5.15
12 93.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.1% onge (reich) @ 5.16
13 93.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.9% great-andamanese (reich) @ 5.2
14 95.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 5.2
15 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% chuvash (behar) @ 5.22
16 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% kharia (chaubey) @ 5.22
17 79.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.24
18 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
19 90.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.8% russian (hgdp) @ 5.26
20 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% savara (chaubey) @ 5.26

I want to ask this question which is been bothering me for quite some time. What is the Balochi genetic component stands for? Neolithic Iranian? Here are my results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.38
2 SW-Asian 23.12
3 Mediterranean 14.62
4 Baloch 12.82
5 E-African 3.04
6 NE-Euro 2.75
7 NE-Asian 1.23
8 S-Indian 1.17

[Thambi]

I want to ask this question which is been bothering me for quite some time. What is the Balochi genetic component stands for? Neolithic Iranian? Here are my results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.38
2 SW-Asian 23.12
3 Mediterranean 14.62
4 Baloch 12.82
5 E-African 3.04
6 NE-Euro 2.75
7 NE-Asian 1.23
8 S-Indian 1.17

you probably already had this question answered but yeah it is the iran_N component. Its found highest among brahui/balochi/makrani people in western pakistan.

[NPKTO]

I want to ask this question which is been bothering me for quite some time. What is the Balochi genetic component stands for? Neolithic Iranian? Here are my results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.38
2 SW-Asian 23.12
3 Mediterranean 14.62
4 Baloch 12.82
5 E-African 3.04
6 NE-Euro 2.75
7 NE-Asian 1.23
8 S-Indian 1.17
Which ethnic group do you belong to?

[Thambi]

Which ethnic group do you belong to?

He's palestinian living in UAE.

[Trouble]

I want to ask this question which is been bothering me for quite some time. What is the Balochi genetic component stands for? Neolithic Iranian? Here are my results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.38
2 SW-Asian 23.12
3 Mediterranean 14.62
4 Baloch 12.82
5 E-African 3.04
6 NE-Euro 2.75
7 NE-Asian 1.23
8 S-Indian 1.17

its connected to Iran_N but there is no direct correlation. There's probably like a 80-90% correlation. Iran_N roughly correlates to Baloch, S_Indian roughly to AASI, NE-Euro roughly to EHG, Med to Barcin/ANF, SW Asian to Levant_N, Caucasian to CHG, etc.

[NPKTO]

its connected to Iran_N but there is no direct correlation. There's probably like a 80-90% correlation. Iran_N roughly correlates to Baloch, S_Indian roughly to AASI, NE-Euro roughly to EHG, Med to Barcin/ANF, SW Asian to Levant_N, Caucasian to CHG, etc.
Baloch also correlates to CHG, particularly if there's also NE Euro to go along with it. For example, NW Europeans score 10% or so Baloch, but that Baloch is more like CHG from Yamnaya rather than Iran_N. Caucasian was also found in Barcin sample, so it could represent CHG, Iran_N, or Barcin. IIRC Barcin samples I ran scored 30-40% Caucasian.