Hungarian medieval 1244 [global 25]

[andre]

Someone know something about this sample? He was a middle age magyar?

I use:
Slavic=Smolensk
Celto-Germanic= dutch
Balkanic=Tuscany
Proto-magyar= Mansi

"sample": "HUN_MA:Average",
"fit": 2.4363,
"Dutch": 49.17,
"Italian_Tuscany": 39.17,
"Russian_Smolensk": 9.17,
"Mansi": 2.5,

[vbnetkhio]

Someone know something about this sample? He was a middle age magyar?

I use:
Slavic=Smolensk
Celto-Germanic= dutch
Balkanic=Tuscany
Proto-magyar= Mansi

"sample": "HUN_MA:Average",
"fit": 2.4363,
"Dutch": 49.17,
"Italian_Tuscany": 39.17,
"Russian_Smolensk": 9.17,
"Mansi": 2.5,

He lived in medieval Hungary but he might have been some travelling merchant from western Europe

[blogen]

Very huge number of German and Italian slaves assimilated in the 10-11th century (consequence of the Magyar raids (http://www.e-kompetencia.si/egradiva/zgo_ds/13%20oshaza/kalandozas.jpg)), The first wave of the Saxons arrived from the lower and middle Rhine regions in the 11-12th century. We had very huge number Italian origin settlers in the cities in the 11-13th century.

So, nothing special.

[Leto]

We had very huge number Italian origin settlers in the cities in the 11-13th century.

Didn't know about that. From Northern Italy, I suppose? Lombardy, Veneto, etc.

[Blondie]

Very huge number of German and Italian slaves assimilated in the 10-11th century (consequence of the Magyar raids (http://www.e-kompetencia.si/egradiva/zgo_ds/13%20oshaza/kalandozas.jpg)), The first wave of the Saxons arrived from the lower and middle Rhine regions in the 11-12th century. We had very huge number Italian origin settlers in the cities in the 11-13th century.

So, nothing special.

Hungarians had some germanic ancestry before the migration happened, it came from goths, vikings who lived in East Europe:
http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794/2/Neparaczki_Thesis_english.pdf

The german knights, priests were the most important allies of St. Stephen to fight against Koppány and his pagan gang and italians were mostly merchants in the medieval Hungary. These slaves were not numerous.

[Dick]

try with Belarussian and not smolensk

[Leto]

try with Belarussian and not smolensk
Why? They're virtually the same.
A daily reminder that Belarusians are Russians :icon_lol:

[Luke35]

My result, a half Hungarian, with the same pops that andre used:

0 pen:

"fit": 0.5553,
"Dutch": 49.17,
"Italian_Tuscany": 27.5,
"Russian_Smolensk": 22.5,
"Mansi": 0.83,

[blogen]

These slaves were not numerous.

What is not true, since we were the largest slave traders in the 9-10th century.

About the 9th century Magyar slave trade:
"They overcome all the Ṣaqāliba (Slaves) who are their neighbours, imposing harsh provisions/victuals upon them, and treat them as their slaves.
When the Magyars take the captives to K.r.kh (Cherson), the Rūm (Byzantines) go out to them, and they trade there. They buy Byzantine (rūmī) brocade, woollen carpets and other Byzantine goods for the slaves."
Ibn Rusta

"They (the Slavs) have the custom of building fortress[es]. Every small group [that] comes (i.e. settles down) together, also makes [for itself] a stronghold, for the Magyars are at all times making incursions (i.e. slave raids) against them and plundering them. [Thus], when the Magyars come the Saqlāb go into those fortresses which they have built. And for the most part where they stay in the winter is in [their] fortresses and strongholds, but in the summer <they go> to the woods. They have many captured slaves."
Gardīzī

source: Zimonyi István (2016), Muslim Sources on the Magyars in the Second Half of the 9th Century, Brill

About the 10th century Magyar slave trade:

"The Christian slaves are the bigger part of the population, they were dragged into the country as a prisoner from the various part of the world and they practise their faith secretly only until today. They rejoice now [to the missionaries], because they may practise their religion already."
Pilgrim, bishop of Passau in 974

But we integrated them into our society:
"They teach their slaves to shoot an arrow with great application"
Regino

The assimilated western origin slave population was one of the most important part of the 10th century Magyar society and very important part of the 10-11th century Hungarian ethnogenesis. The western slaves contribution to the Magyars population growth was one of the factor of the Magyar outnumbering of the Slavonic population in the 11th century.

[Satem]

Why? They're virtually the same.
A daily reminder that Belarusians are Russians :icon_lol:

Aren't northern Belarusians much closer to Balts than Russians, and western Belarusians closer to Poles?:confused:

[Pine]

Why? They're virtually the same.
A daily reminder that Belarusians are Russians :icon_lol:

You Putin on some propaganda.