Amerindian DNA - Gedmatch

[Genetic]

I always thought, according to my research, that I was 1/32 Amerindian (by "paper"). It makes sense given the fact that my other roots are basically Irish, German, Polish, etc. If I'm 1/32 indeed (being one of my 3rd Great-Grandparents a full Amerindian), I should be genetically something between 3.0~3.5% Native American, right? But in most calculators I'm basically 4%. Some examples of my Amerindian-Mongol scores:

Eurogenes K13:

Amerindian 3.11
Siberian 1.29

= 4.4%

Eurogenes V2 K15:

Amerindian 2.87
Siberian 0.99

= 3.86%

Eurogenes K36:

Amerindian 3.35 Pct
Siberian -

= 3.35%

MDLP World-22:

Mesoamerican 1.67
South-America_Amerind 0.82
East-Siberean 0.82
North-Amerind 0.47

= 3.78%

MDLP K23b:

Amerindian 3.27

= 3.27%

Dodecad K12b:

East_Asian 2.61
Siberian 0.86

= 3.47%

puntDNAL K15:

Amerindian 3.72

= 3.72%

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What do you guys think? Am I really 1/32 Amerindian (being these extra decimal percentages coming from my European side, since some Irish, Polish, etc, score a little Amerindian coming from ancient times (0.5~1.5%)? Or I'm more than that, making my real Amerindian ancestry inaccurate in fractions, but actually a "broken" percentage, because it supposedly would not come from just one pure ancestor, but from others already mixed? I hope you understand the question.

What's your opinion?

[Carlito's Way]

You are probably only 2% Amerindian or so, because like you mentioned, other European groups also score those component on GedMatch so it becomes tricky
Did your family know you guys had Amerindian roots?

I have seen way too many White Americans online disappointed when they come out with no Amerindian ancestry
I feel like it is more common for White Canadians to score some Amerindian, while scoring SSA being rare
While with White Americans, it is more common for them to score some SSA than Amerindian

this comparison is in regards to those who claim to have some old admixture in which they usually always claim Amerindian

[Genetic]

You are probably only 2% Amerindian or so, because like you mentioned, other European groups also score those component on GedMatch so it becomes tricky
Did your family know you guys had Amerindian roots?

I have seen way too many White Americans online disappointed when they come out with no Amerindian ancestry
I feel like it is more common for White Canadians to score some Amerindian, while scoring SSA being rare
While with White Americans, it is more common for them to score some SSA than Amerindian

this comparison is in regards to those who claim to have some old admixture in which they usually always claim Amerindian

Thanks for posting! This is my opinion too. My father always mentioned our Amerindian ancestry (and we knew it was distant). After doing genealogical research and finding several documents (also going by facial features of ancestors), I was almost certain that I was basically 1/32 Amerindian (the other 31/32 would be just European immigrants or colonial European ancestors). After receiving my DNA results, the whole thing made sense (but there was a little bit more than I expected, that's why I opened the thread). But I agree with you.

[Dick]

Dear Genetic,

Thank you for you friend request and private meassage. I'd recommend contacting Dr. Doug McDonald. He may help you further regarding your quest in finding out the truth.

mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu

https://isogg.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_BGA_project

Kind regards,
Dick

[Rædwald]

I've got similar Amerindian admixture if you're curious I can post results.

[Genetic]

Dear Genetic,

Thank you for you friend request and private meassage. I'd recommend contacting Dr. Doug McDonald. He may help you further regarding your quest in finding out the truth.

mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu

https://isogg.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_BGA_project

Kind regards,
Dick

Thanks for the help!

[Genetic]

I've got similar Amerindian admixture if you're curious I can post results.

I'm very curious to see your results!

[Rædwald]

I'm very curious to see your results!

Links to threads on my results for the respective tests 23andMe (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278188-LePrieur-23andme-Results) and AncestryDNA (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259099-LePrieur-s-AncestryDNA-Results-Updated)

Eurogenes K13



1 North_Atlantic 46.18
2 Baltic 23.71
3 West_Med 15.10
4 East_Med 5.79
5 West_Asian 3.03
6 Amerindian 2.96
7 South_Asian 2.36

Eurogenes K15


1 North_Sea 34.00
2 Atlantic 26.91
3 Baltic 10.98
4 West_Med 10.86
5 Eastern_Euro 8.49
6 East_Med 2.82
7 Amerindian 2.44
8 South_Asian 2.07

Eurogenes K36


Amerindian 1.78 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.99 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.01 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.47 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.44 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.90 Pct
Fennoscandian 5.90 Pct
French 8.38 Pct
Iberian 15.19 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.07 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.55 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 20.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 1.70 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.40 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.66 Pct

MDLP World 22



1 North-East-European 44.89
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.96
3 West-Asian 5.69
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.28
5 Near_East 2.50
6 North-Amerind 2.34
7 Indo-Iranian 2.30

MDLP K23b



1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 29.12
3 Caucasian 19.99
4 South_Central_Asian 4.74
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.42
6 Amerindian 2.73
7 North_African 1.74

Doedcad K12b



1 North_European 40.82
2 Atlantic_Med 39.46
3 Gedrosia 9.25
4 Caucasus 4.82
5 South_Asian 2.23
6 East_Asian 1.04

puntDNAL K15



1 NE_European 53.50
2 Mediterranean 30.80
3 Caucasian 7.29
4 S_Indian 2.39
5 Amerindian 2.38
6 Omo_River 1.21
7 SW_Asian 1.01


*All the gedmatch results are from my AncestryDNA raw data.

[Argentano]

i have info of thousands of individuals from gedmatch. Most white americanas score very small siberian/amerindian in eurogenes k15. Yours is probably real amerindian ancestry.

If i use the white americans in my chart and i exclude the white americans with high baltic/eastern euro/east med (recent euro ancestry) and then i exclude the few whtie americans who have high amerinndian (probably mexican distant ancestry) then the rest is 0.18% Siberian 0.5% Amerindian on avrage in eurogenes k15. Thats probably noice. Yours is small but its still a lot higher than that so its probably real amerindian ancestor.

[Leto]

Admixture is not inherited evenly, I mean if you're 1/32 native American by paper trail, that doesn't mean you're supposed to score literally 3.25% Amerindian. There is also such a thing as "(background) noise". Especially on GEDmatch a lot of minor components (0.5-1.5% or so) are simply noise. I don't see anything strange in what you posted. Although "Ancestral Altaic" has nothing to do with Amerindians, it's not even a Mongoloid/East Eurasian component, so I suggest you exclude it altogether.

[Genetic]

Links to threads on my results for the respective tests 23andMe (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278188-LePrieur-23andme-Results) and AncestryDNA (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259099-LePrieur-s-AncestryDNA-Results-Updated)

Eurogenes K13



1 North_Atlantic 46.18
2 Baltic 23.71
3 West_Med 15.10
4 East_Med 5.79
5 West_Asian 3.03
6 Amerindian 2.96
7 South_Asian 2.36

Eurogenes K15


1 North_Sea 34.00
2 Atlantic 26.91
3 Baltic 10.98
4 West_Med 10.86
5 Eastern_Euro 8.49
6 East_Med 2.82
7 Amerindian 2.44
8 South_Asian 2.07

Eurogenes K36


Amerindian 1.78 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.99 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.01 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.47 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.44 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.90 Pct
Fennoscandian 5.90 Pct
French 8.38 Pct
Iberian 15.19 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.07 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.55 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 20.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 1.70 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.40 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.66 Pct

MDLP World 22



1 North-East-European 44.89
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.96
3 West-Asian 5.69
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.28
5 Near_East 2.50
6 North-Amerind 2.34
7 Indo-Iranian 2.30

MDLP K23b



1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 29.12
3 Caucasian 19.99
4 South_Central_Asian 4.74
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.42
6 Amerindian 2.73
7 North_African 1.74

Doedcad K12b



1 North_European 40.82
2 Atlantic_Med 39.46
3 Gedrosia 9.25
4 Caucasus 4.82
5 South_Asian 2.23
6 East_Asian 1.04

puntDNAL K15



1 NE_European 53.50
2 Mediterranean 30.80
3 Caucasian 7.29
4 S_Indian 2.39
5 Amerindian 2.38
6 Omo_River 1.21
7 SW_Asian 1.01


*All the gedmatch results are from my AncestryDNA raw data.

Thanks for posting! Very nice results. It seems that you are just a little bit less Amerindian than I am, but overall the results are very similar. Are you 1/32 Amerindian by paper trail?

[Genetic]

i have info of thousands of individuals from gedmatch. Most white americanas score very small siberian/amerindian in eurogenes k15. Yours is probably real amerindian ancestry.

If i use the white americans in my chart and i exclude the white americans with high baltic/eastern euro/east med (recent euro ancestry) and then i exclude the few whtie americans who have high amerinndian (probably mexican distant ancestry) then the rest is 0.18% Siberian 0.5% Amerindian on avrage in eurogenes k15. Thats probably noice. Yours is small but its still a lot higher than that so its probably real amerindian ancestor.

Thanks for posting! I agree with you. Do you think I'm about 1/32 Amerindian according to the results?

[Genetic]

Admixture is not inherited evenly, I mean if you're 1/32 native American by paper trail, that doesn't mean you're supposed to score literally 3.25% Amerindian. There is also such a thing as "(background) noise". Especially on GEDmatch a lot of minor components (0.5-1.5% or so) are simply noise. I don't see anything strange in what you posted. Although "Ancestral Altaic" has nothing to do with Amerindians, it's not even a Mongoloid/East Eurasian component, so I suggest you exclude it altogether.

Thanks a lot for the help! Sorry for the confusion. In fact, I thought about the possibility that genes weren't inherited perfectly. This can complicate things a bit. Based on your information, the average of all calculators and my genealogy information, do you think I'm probably 1/32 Amerindian? What's your personal guess?

[Lucas]

Try my K47 on yourdnaportal.com.
It has good breakdown for Amerindian, best so far among free calcs.

[Rocinante]

Try my K47 on yourdnaportal.com.
It has good breakdown for Amerindian, best so far among free calcs.

That is what i was going to say. Try his k47 for a better breakdown than k36. IMO i think that scores higher than 1% are not noise, so i think you are around 3% amerindian like i am around 3% sub-saharan.

[Genetic]

Try my K47 on yourdnaportal.com.
It has good breakdown for Amerindian, best so far among free calcs.


That is what i was going to say. Try his k47 for a better breakdown than k36. IMO i think that scores higher than 1% are not noise, so i think you are around 3% amerindian like i am around 3% sub-saharan.

Thanks a lot guys! This calculator is amazing! My total Amerindian score is 3.67%! So I think it's safe to say I'm 1/32 Amerindian after all?

[Leto]

Thanks a lot for the help! Sorry for the confusion. In fact, I thought about the possibility that genes weren't inherited perfectly. This can complicate things a bit. Based on your information, the average of all calculators and my genealogy information, do you think I'm probably 1/32 Amerindian? What's your personal guess?
Yes. 3-4% would roughly correspond to 1/32. What did the commercial test tell you?

By the way, I would recommend Dodecad World9.

[Genetic]

Yes. 3-4% would roughly correspond to 1/32. What did the commercial test tell you?

By the way, I would recommend Dodecad World9.

My first result in FTDNA was 3% Native American. After upgrade, it went to 4%.

Dodecad World9:

Amerindian 3.42
Siberian 0.63

My brother scored 4.43 Amerindian and 0 Siberian.

[Leto]

My first result in FTDNA was 3% Native American. After upgrade, it went to 4%.

Dodecad World9:

Amerindian 3.42
Siberian 0.63

My brother scored 4.43 Amerindian and 0 Siberian.
It's legit Amerindian in your case. I score as much as 2% on GEDmatch but it's not real in my case because I'm Russian and have no ancestry outside of European Russia and Belarus.

[Roy]

Admixture is not inherited evenly, I mean if you're 1/32 native American by paper trail, that doesn't mean you're supposed to score literally 3.25% Amerindian. There is also such a thing as "(background) noise". Especially on GEDmatch a lot of minor components (0.5-1.5% or so) are simply noise. I don't see anything strange in what you posted. Although "Ancestral Altaic" has nothing to do with Amerindians, it's not even a Mongoloid/East Eurasian component, so I suggest you exclude it altogether.

Also one can inherit a different amount of DNA from different ancestors being at the same level.

[Rædwald]

I'm about 1/32nd, my closest full native ancestor is about 6 Generations back.

[Annie999]

The math you do might be 3-3.5% amerindian, but that quantity would happen only if every ancestor passed 50% of their native down the line and it doesn't work that way. The only one who certainly passed 50% of native DNA was the original native. But from that moment on the amount of native DNA transmited by their sucesors might vary.

Let's say the original native man had 1 son with a british woman, so that son inherited 50% native DNA and 50% british. Now that guy has 2 sons: From his 50% of DNA share he could have passed 15% british + 35% native to one son / and 30% british + 20% native to the other son. You see there might be big variations. So picture that situation all down the line of an 8 generation family and the final results might vary. So you could very well score 4% amerindian or could have been even 0% or close.

[farke1]

I'm interested to what degree the Amerindian component on GEDMatch is noise. I have no new world ancestors so I'm assuming it would be literally impossible for me to actually have any Amerindian admixture, yet I always get very small amounts (0.5-1.5) in all of the Eurogenes calculators.

[Leto]

I'm interested to what degree the Amerindian component on GEDMatch is noise. I have no new world ancestors so I'm assuming it would be literally impossible for me to actually have any Amerindian admixture, yet I always get very small amounts (0.5-1.5) in all of the Eurogenes calculators.
It is probably some Steppe-related signal. If we look at the fst distances between the components, the Amerindian is quite distant from the East Asian:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/htmlview#

[Erronkari]

Thanks a lot guys! This calculator is amazing! My total Amerindian score is 3.67%! So I think it's safe to say I'm 1/32 Amerindian after all?

Wow!!!!
Genetic: My total amerind in this calc is 3.55%!!!
Despite I am not 1/32 by papers because in my country that doesn't exist because to have some degree of mix is extremely common here (most of 70% of the population have).
But indeed IT'S ALMOST THEM SAME TO YOURS!! Amazing! :thumb001:
P.s.: Mr. Mlucasz, thank you to suggest your K47, it's a wonderful calc!


North Amerind 0.96%
Andean 1.39%
Amazonian 1.16%
Meso Amerind 0.04%
= 3.55%

[Genetic]

Wow!!!!
Genetic: My total amerind in this calc is 3.55%!!!
Despite I am not 1/32 by papers because in my country that doesn't exist because to have some degree of mix is extremely common here (most of 70% of the population have).
But indeed IT'S ALMOST THEM SAME TO YOURS!! Amazing! :thumb001:
P.s.: Mr. Mlucasz, thank you to suggest your K47, it's a wonderful calc!


North Amerind 0.96%
Andean 1.39%
Amazonian 1.16%
Meso Amerind 0.04%
= 3.55%


That's amazing, Erronkari!! Thanks a lot for sharing your results!!

[Erronkari]

That's amazing, Erronkari!! Thanks a lot for sharing your results!!

You are welcome, friend! There are more mates that score very similar to us, as you said Le Prieur, even he scores 1% less than us I think or something like that!