Italian-Brazilian GEDmatch results

[Adamastor]

Old guy from Minas Gerais countryside, all of his grandparents from Southern Italy (Campania and Basilicata). People with this genetic profile are becoming increasingly more rare in Brazil, fully European ancestry is more common among old people in rural areas. I have the pics of his grandson, he looks kinda ''Eastern Mediterranean/Sikeliotoid''.

K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.13
2 West_Med 22.54
3 North_Atlantic 19.31
4 West_Asian 16.03
5 Baltic 6.53
6 Red_Sea 4.39
7 Sub-Saharan 1.14
8 East_Asian 0.92
9 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.76
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.38
3 Central_Greek 4.52
4 East_Sicilian 4.81
5 West_Sicilian 5.11
6 Ashkenazi 9.42
7 Sephardic_Jewish 10.27
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.3
9 Tuscan 10.66
10 Italian_Jewish 10.9
11 Algerian_Jewish 11.28
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.83
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.61
14 North_Italian 16.7
15 Cyprian 16.99
16 Bulgarian 18.49
17 Turkish 20.02
18 Lebanese_Muslim 20.26
19 Romanian 20.26
20 Syrian 21.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.2% South_Italian + 44.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.11
2 89.4% West_Sicilian + 10.6% Abhkasian @ 2.24
3 93.4% South_Italian + 6.6% Irish @ 2.28
4 93.1% South_Italian + 6.9% Southwest_English @ 2.28
5 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% West_Scottish @ 2.3
6 93.4% South_Italian + 6.6% Orcadian @ 2.34
7 88.9% West_Sicilian + 11.1% Georgian @ 2.34
8 92% South_Italian + 8% South_Dutch @ 2.36
9 93.4% South_Italian + 6.6% North_Dutch @ 2.37
10 93.1% South_Italian + 6.9% Southeast_English @ 2.38
11 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Norwegian @ 2.39
12 91.8% South_Italian + 8.2% West_German @ 2.39
13 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Danish @ 2.4
14 85.6% West_Sicilian + 14.4% Armenian @ 2.41
15 93.2% South_Italian + 6.8% North_German @ 2.41
16 91% South_Italian + 9% French @ 2.42
17 93.9% South_Italian + 6.1% Swedish @ 2.47
18 90.6% South_Italian + 9.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.55
19 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% French_Basque @ 2.63
20 86% South_Italian + 14% North_Italian @ 2.64


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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.89
2 West_Med 19.39
3 West_Asian 15.29
4 North_Sea 12.67
5 Atlantic 11.69
6 Eastern_Euro 5.78
7 Red_Sea 4.32
8 Baltic 1.63
9 Sub-Saharan 0.59
10 Northeast_African 0.41
11 Southeast_Asian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.39
2 East_Sicilian 6.81
3 South_Italian 7.22
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.4
5 Ashkenazi 8.04
6 West_Sicilian 8.46
7 Italian_Jewish 9.23
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.6
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.02
10 Algerian_Jewish 11.17
11 Greek 11.24
12 Tuscan 11.58
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.98
14 Libyan_Jewish 15.01
15 Cyprian 15.96
16 North_Italian 17.41
17 Bulgarian 18.01
18 Turkish 19.25
19 Lebanese_Muslim 19.38
20 Romanian 19.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.7% Cyprian + 35.3% French @ 5.71
2 61.8% Cyprian + 38.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.73
3 60.1% North_Italian + 39.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.96
4 61.3% Cyprian + 38.7% Portuguese @ 5.99
5 76.6% Central_Greek + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 6.02
6 87.4% Central_Greek + 12.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.08
7 71.4% Tuscan + 28.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.1
8 52.5% Cyprian + 47.5% North_Italian @ 6.11
9 76.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.15
10 85.2% Central_Greek + 14.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.18
11 70.6% Cyprian + 29.4% Southwest_English @ 6.19
12 95.6% Central_Greek + 4.4% Sardinian @ 6.22
13 60.1% Tuscan + 39.9% Cyprian @ 6.23
14 67.2% Cyprian + 32.8% West_German @ 6.23
15 95.2% Central_Greek + 4.8% Algerian @ 6.27
16 82.8% Central_Greek + 17.2% West_Sicilian @ 6.28
17 63.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.6% Italian_Jewish @ 6.29
18 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Moroccan @ 6.3
19 96.4% Central_Greek + 3.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 6.31
20 63.1% Cyprian + 36.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.32

[Leto]

Interesting. I guess his Italian-born ancestors would have left Italy long before WWII. Post his Dodecad K12b.

[Adamastor]

Interesting. I guess his Italian-born ancestors would have left Italy long before WWII. Post his Dodecad K12b.

They left Italy in the 19th century. The bulk of the Italian immigration to Brazil was between 1870 and 1930. Around 2 million Italians (mostly from Northeast Italy/Triveneto and continental South Italy) left Italy for Brazil in 60 years.

Here you can see his Dodecad k12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.89
2 Atlantic_Med 30.21
3 North_European 13.25
4 Southwest_Asian 11.92
5 Gedrosia 9.04
6 Northwest_African 2.64
7 East_African 1.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.45
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.14
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.54
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 9.9
5 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.03
6 Greek (Dodecad) 10.2
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.29
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 10.96
9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.03
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.83
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.4
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.61
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.7
14 Cypriots (Behar) 20.63
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.8
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 22.14
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 22.57
18 Romanians (Behar) 23.34
19 Lebanese (Behar) 23.9
20 Turks (Behar) 24.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% North_Italian (HGDP) + 36.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.15
2 53.8% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 46.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.22
3 62.2% North_Italian (HGDP) + 37.8% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.24
4 67.3% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 32.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.51
5 52.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 47.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
6 50.6% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 49.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
7 56.2% North_Italian (HGDP) + 43.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.58
8 52.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 47.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.6
9 63.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.7
10 53.6% Druze (HGDP) + 46.4% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.71
11 52.4% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 47.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.72
12 51.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 48.1% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 2.73
13 72.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 27.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.81
14 53.7% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 46.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.84
15 52.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 47.3% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.89
16 50% Spaniards (Behar) + 50% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.91
17 52.8% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 47.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.91
18 50.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 49.4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 2.92
19 73.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 26.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.93
20 61.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.95

[Gaditanian]

Sikeliotoid :icon_lol:

I miss his threads about Sicilians

[Leto]

Sikeliotoid :icon_lol:

I miss his threads about Sicilians
How so? He had left months before you registered. I believe he left this winter.

[Gaditanian]

How so? He had left months before you registered. I believe he left this winter.

In my first thread in this forum I wrote that I was reading here since january 2018, but for Unknown reason, I never received the confirmation email

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297968-New-member-but-reading-for-a-year-and-a-half

[Leto]

In my first thread in this forum I wrote that I was reading here since january 2018, but for Unknown reason, I never received the confirmation email

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297968-New-member-but-reading-for-a-year-and-a-half
Sorry, my bad. I didn't see it, I normally don't read introductions and stuff. I bookmark certain sections that are of interest to me and access them directly.

[Gaditanian]

Sorry, my bad. I didn't see it, I normally don't read introductions and stuff. I bookmark certain sections that are of interest to me and access them directly.

No problem, I usually do the same, but how I am Old Fag (1999-2000) in many other forums, I know that it's polite to present to other members, before starting to post. I opened it as a formal requirement without waiting for such that warm welcome, a great forum with great members :)

[Rocinante]

Nice. How much east_med and italian he scores in k36?

[Token]

Rare specimen. AFAIK most South Italians migrated to urban São Paulo. I'd certainly not expect to find a full South Italian in Minas Gerais countryside.

[Adamastor]

Rare specimen. AFAIK most South Italians migrated to urban São Paulo. I'd certainly not expect to find a full South Italian in Minas Gerais countryside.

Yeah, I was surprised as well. But it seems there are many details about immigration to Brazil we don't know yet. Brazil has a very poor documentation of these things and only now we are having more access to relevant information. It seems Italian immigration to southern Minas Gerais was huge.

[Latinus]

Yeah, I would also assume him to be a "Northern Italian" if you had not specified he is descendant from Southern ones.


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[Tenma de Pegasus]

In my first thread in this forum I wrote that I was reading here since january 2018, but for Unknown reason, I never received the confirmation email

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297968-New-member-but-reading-for-a-year-and-a-half

I read Apricity for three years before register, I prefer to read than to write.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

This guy is not only pure european, but pure italian? Very rare.

[Latinus]

This guy is not only pure european, but pure italian? Very rare.

Very rare? I don't think so. I assume pure (Northern) Italians are relatively common among Colonos from countryside Southern Brazil.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Very rare? I don't think so. I assume pure (Northern) Italians are relatively common among Colonos from countryside Southern Brazil.

What percentage would say they compose in brazilian population?

[Latinus]

What percentage would say they compose in brazilian population?

Not sure, but less than 10%, of course.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Not sure, but less than 10%, of course.

I would say:

15-17% of brazilians have italian ancestry.

5% could be pure italians at most which is still 10 milion people LOL

[Adamastor]

This guy is not only pure european, but pure italian? Very rare.

His autosomal results are uncommon for his region (Minas Gerais, all his ancestry from there in the last 100 years) but they would be less uncommon in São Paulo.

He is not uncommon for being pure Italian in Southern Minas Gerais, but for being purely Southern Italian.


Very rare? I don't think so. I assume pure (Northern) Italians are relatively common among Colonos from countryside Southern Brazil.

Yeah, people of pure Northern Italian ancestry aren't rare in Brazil. But these results are impossible in a Northern Italian. Most people with Italian ancestry in Brazil have ancestry from Northeast Italy or Lombardy and they could never score like this guy.


What percentage would say they compose in brazilian population?

Around 5-7% of Brazilian population has only Italian ancestry, I'd guess around 20% with at least one recent Italian ancestor.

[Leto]

@Adamastor, you said Brazil was over 70% European on average, I was reading Wikipedia the other day, it cited a few studies that put Brazil at 60+ percent only. The South is around 80% though. I'm a bit curious about Brazil, I think it's an interesting country in terms of racial demographics. Plus it's huge - like Germany, France and Italy combined.

[Adamastor]

@Adamastor, you said Brazil was over 70% European on average, I was reading Wikipedia the other day, it cited a few studies that put Brazil at 60+ percent only. The South is around 80% though. I'm a bit curious about Brazil, I think it's an interesting country in terms of racial demographics. Plus it's huge - like Germany, France and Italy combined.

Wikipedia is not really trustable (I mean their sources are not always fresh), I only trust recent peer-reviewed studies; I'd say the average for whole Brazil is somewhere in between 65-75%, but it can vary drastically even from city to city.

You can have a town that is 80% European neighbouring another one that is only 50%. I think ~70% is a reasonable average because most studies are in between 65-75%.

Northeast and Northern Brazil are probably 60% European on average, Central Brazil around 65-67% and Southeast Brazil (the most populated region) around 70-75%. South Brazil is over 80%, yeah.

[Leto]

Wikipedia is not really trustable (I mean their sources are not always fresh), I only trust recent peer-reviewed studies; I'd say the average for whole Brazil is somewhere in between 65-75%, but it can vary drastically even from city to city.

You can have a town that is 80% European neighbouring another one that is only 50%. I think ~70% is a reasonable average because most studies are in between 65-75%.

Northeast and Northern Brazil are probably 60% European on average, Central Brazil around 65-67% and Southeast Brazil (the most populated region) around 70-75%. South Brazil is over 80%, yeah.
What about Sao Paulo specifically? It is so large, could be a country of its own. I think Wiki said 60-70% European.

[Adamastor]

What about Sao Paulo specifically? It is so large, could be a country of its own. I think Wiki said 60-70% European.

I think it's accurate, but there's a big difference between São Paulo city and it's outskirts and the state called São Paulo. In the city you can find people from all over Brazil and many poor people from Northeast Brazil migrated there making the average less European than the state as a whole (but the capital city is the most populated region of course).

In the countryside you can still find a reasonable quantity of individuals who are purely European (99-100%) due to heavy immigration from Italy and Spain there.