Can this Komi girl pass in SE Europe?

[Laag]

According to some users girls like that are typical for SE Europe. Is it truth?
https://i.imgur.com/gXIpn0x.jpg

[Ülev]

yes, why not? love does not choose by skin tone etc. :rolleyes:

[Laag]

yes, why not? love does not choose by skin tone etc. :rolleyes:
Something like that?:)

http://s.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2012-12_3/13554634342854.jpg

[Moje ime]

She actually looks familiar to me (face shape) at least according to this photo, but would need a little bit darker pigmentation to pass as more typical in Serbia.
(I may change my mind with more photos)

[Viridian1]

She passes easily in central Euro

[Nurzat]

too depigmented for southeast Europe, does not pass in Romania, sorry

[Laag]

She actually looks familiar to me (face shape) at least according to this photo, but would need a little bit darker pigmentation to pass as more typical in Serbia.
(I may change my mind with more photos)

Serbia isn't SE Europe. Sorry.

[Moje ime]

Serbia isn't SE Europe. Sorry.

Then what it is?

[Dick]

She can pass in Argentina

[Universe]

According to some users girls like that are typical for SE Europe. Is it truth?

no

[Laag]

She actually looks familiar to me (face shape) at least according to this photo, but would need a little bit darker pigmentation to pass as more typical in Serbia.
(I may change my mind with more photos)

However, here are other pics of her.

https://i.imgur.com/J8luCIF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mMZYMV8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8I4LqDD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/96ltUaX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Jjhiehl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2pgp7FV.jpg

[Seya]

According to some users girls like that are typical for SE Europe. Is it truth?


according to which users? :laugh:

[Laag]

She can pass in Argentina

Yes, but Argentina is full of Slvic people.

[Laag]

Then what it is?

The Balkans, isn't it?

[Seya]

The Balkans, isn't?

where's SE europe then?

[Moje ime]

However, here are other pics of her.


I don't change my mind, uncontrary, except weird nose, she can pass in Serbia.

Btw since when Komids have oval face?

[Ülev]

since today

[Laag]

I don't change my mind, uncontrary, except weird nose, she can pass in Serbia.

Btw since when Komids have oval face?

Face height.
https://i.imgur.com/UeK7IF5.jpg

[Laag]

where's SE europe then?

Romania, Bulgaria, West Turkey etc.

[Seya]

Romania, Bulgaria, West Turkey etc.

the OP girl cannot pass in any of this countries, or at least not as typical

[Ülev]

Face height.
https://i.imgur.com/UeK7IF5.jpg

от нижнего края бровей = from the bottom edge of the eyebrows :scratch:

[Laag]

Edit.

[Laag]

от нижнего края бровей = from the bottom edge of the eyebrows :scratch:
(mine 14)
face length according to TA
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?117424-How-long-is-your-face
(mine 23 cm, from top of head 26,1 cm)

You have very long face.

[Ülev]

.....
edited- reason: I am watching football Österreich - Polska

[Laag]

Then what it is?

In Russia only former Yugoslavian countries are considered as authentic Balkan countries.

[Ülev]

http://balkanistyka.org/ - according to this site with Balkan(istyka) in the tittle: Croatia, Macedonia (Northern), Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Romania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Slovenia and... Hungarian minority
:)

(it's not me - they grouped it like that)

[Jana]

Balkan mountain chain is located primarly in Bulgaria, and small part in Serbia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Balkangebirge_Balkan_topo_de.jpg

[Laag]

http://balkanistyka.org/ - according to this site with Balkan(istyka) in the tittle: Croatia, Macedonia (Northern), Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Romania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Slovenia and... Hungarian minority
:)

(it's not me - they grouped it like that)

I'm talking about ordinary people, not scientists. Ordinary people associate the Balkans with Serbia.

[Moje ime]

In Russia only former Yugoslavian countries are considered as authentic Balkan countries.

Bulgaria is most authentic Balkan country.

[Laag]

Bulgaria is most authentic Balkan country.

Geographically maybe.

[The One]

She can pass in England

[Roy]

She can pass in England

Yet in Poland she would look ... eastern but passes. :D

[chociprasa]

Yes, to an extent. But would honestly pass better in northwestern Europe than in southeastern Europe.

[pelikarski]

Bulgaria is most authentic Balkan country.

One just needs to visit Guca festival to see what Balkan is

[Laag]

Probably pasess much better in Norway.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300501-Classify-Komi-woman-Can-she-pass-in-Norway

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Look rather Central-North European rather than anywhere in Eastern Europe. Even as a Russian she seems off.

[CommonSense]

Quite atypical. She's phenotypically a Nordid.

Some other Komi girls you posted would pass more easily, to be honest.

[Laag]

Look rather Central-North European rather than anywhere in Eastern Europe. Even as a Russian she seems off.

But she's typical for Komi people and North Russians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207811-Post-pictures-of-Russian-Nordids-either-Male-or-Female&p=6218486&viewfull=1#post6218486
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207811-Post-pictures-of-Russian-Nordids-either-Male-or-Female&p=6226449&viewfull=1#post6226449

According to Coon Nordic type is very rare in Central Europe.

[Laag]

Coon.



To summarize the data on the physical anthropology of Germany it seems necessary to stress the relative absence of conventional Nordics comparable to those found in eastern Norway, in Sweden, and in England. Such Nordics may be seen almost everywhere in Germany as individuals, but nowhere as a large element in the population.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

But she's typical for Komi people and Russians.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207811-Post-pictures-of-Russian-Nordids-either-Male-or-Female&p=6218486&viewfull=1#post6218486
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207811-Post-pictures-of-Russian-Nordids-either-Male-or-Female&p=6226449&viewfull=1#post6226449

According to Coon Nordic type is very rare in Central Europe.

Just the long broad strong face for me really, that's why. But you are right.

[Alenka]

She would pass better in NW Europe, I think.

[Laag]

She would pass better in NW Europe, I think.

According to Russian anthropologist Cheboksarov some groups of the Komi people (North-West and Northern Komi) metrically and phenotypically are close to Norwegians.
Here's example of Komi woman from that area.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300501-Classify-Komi-woman-Can-she-pass-in-Norway

[Moje ime]

One just needs to visit Guca festival to see what Balkan is

Is Balkan derogatory term for you? For me it is not. I associate Balkan not with politics but with culture and region.

In first place Balkan (oldest) culture - music, language, cuisine etc. Torlak region would be most authentic part of Balkan for me by all that points and it includes parts of western Bulgaria, Macedonia and southeastern Serbia. Also Balkan must be mountain region. Also you can add genetics in that description - Bulgarians and Macedonians as most native Balkan shifted people (I exclude Albania since it has sea). So basically Bulgaria is greater Balkan according to all this than eg. Bosnia is. That is how I see that.

[Laag]

Is Balkan derogatory term for you? For me it is not. I associate Balkan not with politics but with culture and region.

In first place Balkan (oldest) culture - music, language, cuisine etc. Torlak region would be most authentic part of Balkan for me by all that points and it includes parts of western Bulgaria, Macedonia and southeastern Serbia. Also Balkan must be mountain region. Also you can add genetics in that description - Bulgarians and Macedonians as most native Balkan shifted people (I exclude Albania since it has sea). So basically Bulgaria is greater Balkan according to all this than eg. Bosnia is. That is how I see that.

That's what I meant. Not politics or genetics but in first place culture.

[Jana]

That's what I meant. Not politics or genetics but in first place culture.

How is Bulgaria less culturally Balkan than Serbia for example ? North Serbia was part of Habsburg Monarchy/Austria-Hungary, for example. No part of Bulgaria was.

[Laag]

How is Bulgaria less culturally Balkan than Serbia for example ? North Serbia was part of Habsburg Monarchy/Austria-Hungary, for example. No part of Bulgaria was.

I'm not going to argue. Maybe Bulgarians are more Balkanites than Serbs but I associate the Balkans primarily with Serbia. It's just my opinion and how I feel about it.

[Ülev]

The Balkans lie in Russia!!! near Paris btw.


посёлок Балканы
Нагайбакский район, Челябинская область, Россия
53.436649, 59.604477
https://yandex.ru/maps/?from=tabbar&ll=59.913324%2C53.350766&mode=search&sll=59.603430%2C53.440068&text=%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8B%2C %20%D0%B2%20%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8&z=11
https://i.postimg.cc/DZ0s4qxL/balkans.png

[Jana]

I'm not going to argue. Maybe Bulgarians are more Balkanites than Serbs but I associate the Balkans primarily with Serbia. It's just my opinion and how I feel about it.

Bulgaria is closer to Russia than Serbia is. Despite Bulgaria is in EU/NATO and Serbia is pro-Russian. They were part of eastern block with USSR and more Bulgarians speak Russian than do Serbs. Also many Russians visit Bulgarian Black Sea coast. So I understand why eastern Balkans (including Romania) feels more familiar and less exotic to East Slavs. They are simply closer to eastern Europe.

[pelikarski]

Is Balkan derogatory term for you? For me it is not. I associate Balkan not with politics but with culture and region.

In first place Balkan (oldest) culture - music, language, cuisine etc. Torlak region would be most authentic part of Balkan for me by all that points and it includes parts of western Bulgaria, Macedonia and southeastern Serbia. Also Balkan must be mountain region. Also you can add genetics in that description - Bulgarians and Macedonians as most native Balkan shifted people (I exclude Albania since it has sea). So basically Bulgaria is greater Balkan according to all this than eg. Bosnia is. That is how I see that.

No. I am very fond of Balkan culture

[Seya]

Bulgaria is closer to Russia than Serbia is. Despite Bulgaria is in EU/NATO and Serbia is pro-Russian. They were part of eastern block with USSR and more Bulgarians speak Russian than do Serbs. Also many Russians visit Bulgarian Black Sea coast. So I understand why eastern Balkans (including Romania) feels more familiar and less exotic to East Slavs. They are simply closer to eastern Europe.

there are no russian visiting romania at all. also Ceausescu was in no friendly relations with the USSR. he didn't want anyone to interfere in his business

[Laag]

there are no russian visiting romania at all. also Ceausescu was in no friendly relations with the USSR. he didn't want anyone to interfere in his business

What about me? I was in Romania. :rolleyes:

[Seya]

What about me? I was in Romania. :rolleyes:

russians don't use to come here for vacation. they might come if they're interested in visiting something in particular..like anyone else

[Laag]

russians don't use to come here for vacation. they might come if they're interested in visiting something in particular..like anyone else

I wonder where do Romanians go for vacation? Thailand, Turkey and Egypt?

[Yamnaya]

I wonder where do Romanians go for vacation? Thailand, Turkey and Egypt?

All europeans go to Spain

[Seya]

I wonder where do Romanians go for vacation? Thailand, Turkey and Egypt?

mostly greece and turkey but also thailand, dubai, egypt, tunisia, bulgaria...mainly this

[Laag]

mostly greece and turkey but also thailand, dubai, egypt, tunisia, bulgaria...mainly this

I guess Spain is too expensive for Romanians as well as for Russians. Those countries much cheaper.

[Yamnaya]

I guess Spain is too expensive for Romanians as well as for Russians. Those countries much cheaper.

There was a huge ton of Russians before the sactions. Literally all the stores had something in written in Russians for russians tourists

[Laag]

There was a huge ton of Russians before the sactions. Literally all the stores had something in written in Russians for russians tourists

Yes, but that was until 2015. Now times have changed.

[Seya]

I guess Spain is too expensive for Romanians as well as for Russians. Those countries much cheaper.

There are a million romanians living in spain already. Spain is not a vacation destination. In general people want some more exotic destinations, also not overly expensive. If they want something closer, they go to turkey or greece.

[Tommie]

Bulgaria is closer to Russia than Serbia is. Despite Bulgaria is in EU/NATO and Serbia is pro-Russian. They were part of eastern block with USSR and more Bulgarians speak Russian than do Serbs. Also many Russians visit Bulgarian Black Sea coast. So I understand why eastern Balkans (including Romania) feels more familiar and less exotic to East Slavs. They are simply closer to eastern Europe.
No, trust me, neither Russians nor Romanians feel close to each other, at all.

[Dick]

Is Balkan derogatory term for you? For me it is not. I associate Balkan not with politics but with culture and region.


Being born Balkan was the best thing that's ever happened to me.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I wonder where do Romanians go for vacation? Thailand, Turkey and Egypt?

Turkey, Greece, Italy, Bulgaria for the seaside. 20 somethings with some cash go visit cities all over Europe now though, something that you didn't hear much about with the ones that are 30 something.

Also there was a scene in брат 2 where the main char's brother was complaining about some singer that was acting gay. He says " but what can you do, he's Romanian". "No, he's Bulgarian.". "какая разница?" (what's the difference?)

I laughed my ass at that but it reminded me that Russians probably don't really care much about the Balkans.

[catgeorge]

No - not in Greece at least - our blondes dont look like that

[Jana]

there are no russian visiting romania at all. also Ceausescu was in no friendly relations with the USSR. he didn't want anyone to interfere in his business

You misunderstood me. I wrote many visit Bulgaria, because Bulgarians are Slavs and Russian has similarities with Bulgarian. I think less Russians go to Romania than they do to Bulgaria.
But Romania is probably more familiar to them because it was in east block and is physically closer, so in that way they may see it as eastern european.

[Jana]

No, trust me, neither Russians nor Romanians feel close to each other, at all.

I know that. Moldova...
My point was that despite term Balkan describes mountain chain in Bulgaria, many foreigners today see West Balkan as Balkan (because of Yugoslavia and wars) while East Balkan is more or less seen as extension of Eastern Europe (former east block). This was very different century ago, but it is something I noticed.

[Ylla]

No she doesn't look familiar to me.

[Sarmatian]

Balkan mountain chain is located primarly in Bulgaria, and small part in Serbia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Balkangebirge_Balkan_topo_de.jpg

That's the first time ever I hear anyone talking about Balkan in connection to mountains. Normally when we talk Balkan we mean peninsula. Nobody cares about mountains.

[Jana]

That's the first time ever I hear anyone talking about Balkan in connection to mountains. Normally when we talk Balkan we mean peninsula. Nobody cares about mountains.

It's a name of a mountain chain. I was explaining origin of the word Balkan. In Turkic it means ''wooded mountain''.
There is Balkan in Turkmenistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Region

It is problematic to label Balkans as peninsula, because continental flank is very wide and open to north. In same way Europe is peninsula of Asia :D
Only Greece shows truly peninsular characteristics.

[Sarmatian]

Look rather Central-North European rather than anywhere in Eastern Europe. Even as a Russian she seems off.

She is very typical for Russian North but in Central Europe this type is virtually non-existent.

[Sarmatian]

It's a name of a mountain chain. I was explaining origin of the word Balkan. In Turkic it means ''wooded mountain''.
There is Balkan in Turkmenistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Region

It is problematic to label Balkans as peninsula, because continental flank is very wide and open to north. In same way Europe is peninsula of Asia :D
Only Greece shows truly peninsular characteristics.

I know all that. Still people are far more aware of peninsula than of the mountains. I'd expect majority having no idea the Balkan mountains exist.

[Laag]

Turkey, Greece, Italy, Bulgaria for the seaside. 20 somethings with some cash go visit cities all over Europe now though, something that you didn't hear much about with the ones that are 30 something.

Also there was a scene in брат 2 where the main char's brother was complaining about some singer that was acting gay. He says " but what can you do, he's Romanian". "No, he's Bulgarian.". "какая разница?" (what's the difference?)

I laughed my ass at that but it reminded me that Russians probably don't really care much about the Balkans.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?155478-Slavic-as-fuck&p=6138466&viewfull=1#post6138466

[Root]

lol she can pass as a Balkanite as a Balkanite can pass in one of the Finno-Ugric lands in the north of Russia

[Seya]

You misunderstood me. I wrote many visit Bulgaria, because Bulgarians are Slavs and Russian has similarities with Bulgarian. I think less Russians go to Romania than they do to Bulgaria.
But Romania is probably more familiar to them because it was in east block and is physically closer, so in that way they may see it as eastern european.

romania and russia have always had hostile relationships even during communist times. there are no similarities in culture of any kind. romanians aren't familiar in any way with russians. even the eastern bloc it was only a formality, mostly imposed by russia but it did never work as an alliance for romania. when USSR invaded Czechoslovakia in '68, romania did not participate like other coutries (polans, bulgaria or hungary), Ceausescu condemned this invasion and said that no one will set foot in his country ever again. Ceausescu had only his own rules and didn't listen anyone. he even tried with the help of albanian secret services the Gorbachev's removal from power at some point. russians were also trying to get rid of him but he had china's support, so they couldn't do much. he was even afraid of traveling to moscow, he thought he's gonna be killed, poisoned somehow like the other president Gheorghe Gheorghiu Dej. The legend say that he died short after a visit in moscow of some sort of cancer. maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but Ceausescu was convinced about this. romanians weren't allowed to travel, also they has only one national tv channel, so they have never been exposed to russian culture either.
apart from this, even genetically romanian and russians are a world apart, russians being probably the most distant genetically from romanians:
https://i.imgur.com/z8fD9PU.jpg

[Jana]

romania and russia have always had hostile relationships even during communist times. there are no similarities in culture of any kind. romanians aren't familiar in any way with russians. even the eastern bloc it was only a formality, mostly imposed by russia but it did never work as an alliance for romania. when USSR invaded Czechoslovakia in '68, romania did not participate like other coutries (polans, bulgaria or hungary), Ceausescu condemned this invasion and said that no one will set foot in his country ever again. Ceausescu had only his own rules and didn't listen anyone. he even tried with the help of albanian secret services the Gorbachev's removal from power at some point. russians were also trying to get rid of him but he had china's support, so they couldn't do much. he was even afraid of traveling to moscow, he thought he's gonna be killed, poisoned somehow like the other president Gheorghe Gheorghiu Dej. The legend say that he died short after a visit in moscow of some sort of cancer. maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but Ceausescu was convinced about this. romanians weren't allowed to travel, also they has only one national tv channel, so they have never been exposed to russian culture either.
apart from this, even genetically romanian and russians are a world apart, russians being probably the most distant genetically from romanians:
https://i.imgur.com/z8fD9PU.jpg

Thanks for expanation!

It's interesting how Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs are genetically closer to Russians than Romanians, Bulgarians and Mecdonians are. East Balkans is less Slavic than West Balkans apart from Albania.
And on the other hand it is flatter and closer to Eastern Europe, so it is to be expected Slavic input will be stronger there.

This is very interesting phenomenom.

[Pribislav]

Thanks for expanation!

It's interesting how Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs are genetically closer to Russians than Romanians, Bulgarians and Mecdonians are. East Balkans is less Slavic than West Balkans apart from Albania.
And on the other hand it is flatter and closer to Eastern Europe, so it is to be expected Slavic input will be stronger there.

This is very interesting phenomenom.

Albania is more southern Balkan.

In eastern Balkan survived more paleo-Balkan people than in western Balkan. Before Slavs Hunic, Gothic and Avar invasions have hit more western than eastern Balkan. A lot of Romance speakers of western Balkan were destroyed by Hunic, Gothic and Avar invaders, those who survived mostly moved in few Dalmatian coastal cities. Montenegro is only concinental region of western Balkan where Latin speakers survived in significant number. In mountains of Montenegro Latin speaking tribes have survived until late middle age when they are slavized: Kriči, Mataruge, Mataguže, Bukumiri, Španji.

[rothaer]

No.