Csongrad

[Cumansky]

Do any modern Hungarians get Csongrad in 23andme? I don't think so, this was part of Bulgarian Empire:

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[Jana]

After Ottoman expulsion, this region was repopulated by Hungarians and others from all over Hungarian Kingdom, many from modern-day Slovakia.

[Cumansky]

After Ottoman expulsion, this region was repopulated by Hungarians and others from all over Hungarian Kingdom, many from modern-day Slovakia.

So what are you saying that no people from Bulgarian Empire remain, all my Hungarian matches are mostly from there and they are Vlachs same as me, by the way Slovakia was founded in 1993 the same year I was born and they are a loose ethnic group not a historic one, some more info:

"At the time of the Hungarian Conquest (the end of 9th century) the Maros Valley was under Bulgarian control. The fortress was known as Chorniy Grad (Slavic term for 'black castle') and served as a Bulgarian-Slavic guard outpost.[5] Later King Stephen (1000–1038) made the town a state administration center, giving its name to a county. It remained a county seat till the Mongol invasion of Hungary (1240–42). The town and fortress were badly damaged by the Mongols; king Béla IV subsequently transferred the county seat to Szeged in 1247. The move significantly affected Csongrád's recovery. It did not become a town again until 1920."

[Jana]

So what are you saying that no people from Bulgarian Empire remain, all my Hungarian matches are mostly from there and they are Vlachs same as me, by the way Slovakia was founded in 1993 the same year I was born and they are a loose ethnic group not a historic one, some more info:

"At the time of the Hungarian Conquest (the end of 9th century) the Maros Valley was under Bulgarian control. The fortress was known as Chorniy Grad (Slavic term for 'black castle') and served as a Bulgarian-Slavic guard outpost.[5] Later King Stephen (1000–1038) made the town a state administration center, giving its name to a county. It remained a county seat till the Mongol invasion of Hungary (1240–42). The town and fortress were badly damaged by the Mongols; king Béla IV subsequently transferred the county seat to Szeged in 1247. The move significantly affected Csongrád's recovery. It did not become a town again until 1920."

There should be some Serbs in the area too.

[Cumansky]

There should be some Serbs in the area too.

What Serbs, you mean Vlachs?

[Jana]

What Serbs, you mean Vlachs?

Both

[Cumansky]

Both

They are Vlachs but for awhile now they declare themselves Serbs, and now more time has passed they are assimilated into Serbs

[Roy]

There should be some Serbs in the area too.

Are there many Serbs in Hungary? I about a very significant minority of Hungarians in Vojvodina, they actually form the majority here or there in Serbia.

[Pribislav]

They are Vlachs but for awhile now they declare themselves Serbs, and now more time has passed they are assimilated into Serbs

Serbian writer Miloš Crnjanski was born in Csongrad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miloš_Crnjanski

[Pribislav]

Are there many Serbs in Hungary? I about a very significant minority of Hungarians in Vojvodina, they actually form the majority here or there in Serbia.

Today number of Serbs in Hungary is small, but it was quite larger in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Hungary
A lot of Serbs from Hungary moved to Yugoslavia after the Trianon, and most of them who stayed in Hungary are magyarized.

Szentendre was pred. Serbian place not so long ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szentendre#History
Today Serbs in Szentendre are magyarized. They have Serbian surnames and Hungarian names, and they speak Hungarian except few older people who still speak Serbian.

[Cumansky]

Serbian writer Miloš Crnjanski was born in Csongrad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miloš_Crnjanski

This guy can pass as my Grandfather Brother or close relative

[Mingle]

Today number of Serbs in Hungary is small, but it was quite larger in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Hungary
A lot of Serbs from Hungary moved to Yugoslavia after the Trianon, and most of them who stayed in Hungary are magyarized.

Szentendre was pred. Serbian place not so long ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szentendre#History
Today Serbs in Szentendre are magyarized. They have Serbian surnames and Hungarian names, and they speak Hungarian except few older people who still speak Serbian.

Buda, Baja, Pécs, and Szeged were also Serb majority in the past.

[ph2ter]

Today number of Serbs in Hungary is small, but it was quite larger in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Hungary
A lot of Serbs from Hungary moved to Yugoslavia after the Trianon, and most of them who stayed in Hungary are magyarized.

Szentendre was pred. Serbian place not so long ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szentendre#History
Today Serbs in Szentendre are magyarized. They have Serbian surnames and Hungarian names, and they speak Hungarian except few older people who still speak Serbian.

I don't know anytghing about those Serbs, but I would like to know how ortodox Serbs turned into Magyars. I never heard of ortodox Magyars. Really.

[andre]

I don't know anytghing about those Serbs, but I would like to know how ortodox Serbs turned into Magyars. I never heard of ortodox Magyars. Really.
I don't know how they do it but the Hungarians would be able to assimilate even North Africa within 20 years. Jokes apart, these Serbs are completely magiarized and therefore are Catholics.

[ph2ter]

I don't know how they do it but the Hungarians would be able to assimilate even North Africa within 20 years. Jokes apart, these Serbs are completely magiarized and therefore are Catholics.

But then they surely were not Orthodox.
Highly doubtful that being Serb was ever their own designation. Maybe they thought of themselves as Shokci or Bunyevtsi.

[oszkar07]

Today number of Serbs in Hungary is small, but it was quite larger in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Hungary
A lot of Serbs from Hungary moved to Yugoslavia after the Trianon, and most of them who stayed in Hungary are magyarized.

Szentendre was pred. Serbian place not so long ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szentendre#History
Today Serbs in Szentendre are magyarized. They have Serbian surnames and Hungarian names, and they speak Hungarian except few older people who still speak Serbian.

This is Zoran he is of Serbian background but he moved to Hungary as a kid and made himself a musician singing many Hungarian song. He sings duet with Hungarian singer, Rusza Magdolna ... they sing half the song in Hungarian half in Serbian.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTI40_uef1g

[oszkar07]

I don't know how they do it but the Hungarians would be able to assimilate even North Africa within 20 years. Jokes apart, these Serbs are completely magiarized and therefore are Catholics.

cuz Magyars are cool man.

Its true majority of people who became assimilated to be Hungarians did so willingly.
The 19th century Magyarisation was only for a brief period in the context of Hungarian history.

[vbnetkhio]

But then they surely were not Orthodox.


why do you think? small groups of Serbs(orthodox) settled all the way along the Danube, in Budapest etc., even in Komarno, modern day southern Slovakia. their descendants are probably all catholic today.
maybe there are still some orthodox villages in Hunagry but idk, i don't care much about religion.

a lot of the Serbs were given the surname "Rác" - Rascian when they settled in the Hungarian kingdom.

[Jana]

I don't know anytghing about those Serbs, but I would like to know how ortodox Serbs turned into Magyars. I never heard of ortodox Magyars. Really.

There are genuine Serbs in Hungary, very old immigration some from 17th century or even earlier. There was Serb colony in Óbuda I think, it is historic town north of Budapest now incorporated into city.
They assimilated naturally long time ago.

But number of Croats in Hungary is quite larger than that of Serbs, there are many Croatian villages allover Transdanubia.

[andre]

In your opinions guys, where is the area where there was less assimilation and the Hungarians have an ethnic continuity since the Middle Ages?

[oszkar07]

In your opinions guys, where is the area where there was less assimilation and the Hungarians have an ethnic continuity since the Middle Ages?

Good question.

Besides from the Szekely its hard to say.

[oszkar07]

double post

[Jana]

In your opinions guys, where is the area where there was less assimilation and the Hungarians have an ethnic continuity since the Middle Ages?

Central Transdanubia is quite homogenous. In town where Stears grew up, close to Lake Balaton, practically everyone is Hungarian including in villages surrounding it.

[andre]

Central Transdanubia is quite homogenous. In town where Stears grew up, close to Lake Balaton, practically everyone is Hungarian including in villages surrounding it.

The northern part of balaton until the ww2 was inhabited by a huge german community. If you check some 1900s maps you can see it. I think they mixed with the hungarian population.

[Jana]

The northern part of balaton until the ww2 was inhabited by a huge german community. If you check some 1900s maps you can see it. I think they mixed with the hungarian population.

Yes, but he is from south of Veszprém county/border with Zala, which is marked as Hungarian on the map.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/6e/9f/516e9f65dda5f83f437f5b8b94dc7089.jpg

[Pribislav]

I don't know anytghing about those Serbs, but I would like to know how ortodox Serbs turned into Magyars. I never heard of ortodox Magyars. Really.

Some Serbs who were assimilatted in Hungarians nation converted on Catholicism in 17th, 18th aand 19th century, like paternal ancestors of Sándor Petőfi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sándor_Petőfi#Early_life

Notable American Serb Đorđe Šagić (Fisher) was born in Székesfehérvár, he was one of the first Serbian imigrants in USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fisher_(settler)

Family of Serbian user Lena moved from Dezsk in Hungary to the Vojvodina after WW1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deszk

Family of Serbian politician Bojan Pajtić moved from Baja in Hungary to the Senta in Vojvodina after WW1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojan_Pajtić

Most of Serbs from modern Hungary moved to Vojvodina after WW1.

Hungarians with surname Rác has Serbian paternal origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rác_(surname)

[Cumansky]

Here is Hungarian Father and Daughter with ancestry from Csongrad MyHeritage result:

Father

East European
29.0%
Balkan
49.1%
Irish, Scottish, and Welsh
16.8%
Central Asian
1.1%
Eskimo/Inuit
1.6%
Mesoamerican and Andean
2.4

Daughter

East European
17.2%
Baltic
6.9%
Balkan
63.0%
Ashkenazi Jewish
1.8%
North and West European
6.5%
Finnish
2.7%
Central Asian
1.1%
Eskimo/Inuit
0.8%

[oszkar07]

My family lived for a while in Csongrad, I apparently still have some distant cousins there.
From what I know they were not originally from Csongrad ... my Grandfather was born in West Transylvania and moved to Csongrad with his parents when he was 10 years old.
My Grandmother was born in Szeged but later lived for sometime in Csongrad with my Grandfather.