Are there any Europeans with Haplogroup Q?

[Javiberius]

Hello I’m Latino of Spanish/Portuguese ancestry and my YNDNA haplogroup is Q-L330, a Mongolian subclad and mostly found in places like Central Asia and in some cases in Eastern Europe, etc.

If you happen to be European and have this haplogroup, leave a comment

[Rico33]

I know it exists here, but very rare. Probably reminiscent with haplogroup R1b.

[Figaro]

Hello I’m Latino of Spanish/Portuguese ancestry and my YNDNA haplogroup is Q-L330, a Mongolian subclad and mostly found in places like Central Asia and in some cases in Eastern Europe, etc.

If you happen to be European and have this haplogroup, leave a comment

I’m not a member of the Q continuum, but Q can be Amerindian.

Are you Completely Iberian genetically? If so, then I suppose it’s gotta be related to the steppe.

[Javiberius]

I’m not a member of the Q continuum, but Q can be Amerindian.

Are you Completely Iberian genetically? If so, then I suppose it’s gotta be related to the steppe.

Yes I am completely Iberian genetically, both my mother and father are of Pure Iberian ancestry. Like I said, I’m Latino. And yes I also know its very typical amongst Amerindian males.

My paternal great grand father is from Galicia, Spain. And there are Portuguese and some Spaniards with the Q haplogroup. I just wanted to know if there were any of them around The Apricity community? I know I have a common but distant (perhaps 1,500 years ago) YDNA ancestor with a English Family with the last name Rose and other’s with whom I also share a male ancestry with, especially ones from Venezuela of Spanish descent and England (My parents are Cubans). Now that is the reason I started this thread with the aim of finding European Qs, of Non-Native American descent. Only Q-L330

[Javiberius]

I know it exists here, but very rare. Probably reminiscent with haplogroup R1b.


Hello Rico33, you still haven’t figured out your taxonomy yet? I know how it feels, I’m having a hard time also determining my Phenotype.

[Rico33]

The reminiscence of Q with R1b may prove most western European male bloodlines originate in Central Asia.

[Rico33]

Hello Rico33, you still haven’t figured out your taxonomy yet? I know how it feels, I’m having a hard time also determining my Phenotype.

Most members here have absolutely no idea how to classify Belgians.

[Javiberius]

Most members here have absolutely no idea how to classify Belgians.

Most people here don’t know how to classify the difference between a Rope and a Snake. But then again, taxonomy is viewed by many experts of being a pseudoscience in the scientific community.

[Peterski]

AFAIK, Q-L330 is downstream (descended from) Q-L54.

And Q-L54 exists in North America, including Na-Dene tribes.

Your Y-DNA is most likely from a Native American ancestor.

Your subclade was not present among original prehistoric Amerindians, but it entered America in another migration from Russia - the one ancestral to Dorset Paleo-Eskimos and to Na-Dene tribes. See "Na-Dene populations descend from Paleo-Eskimos":

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/074476v1

^^^
Their descendants migrated as far south as Northern Mexico.

[Figaro]

AFAIK, Q-L330 is downstream (descended from) Q-L54.

And Q-L54 exists in North America, including Na-Dene tribes.

Your Y-DNA is most likely from a Native American ancestor.

Right, there was a little bit of backflow from Americas to Iberia even early on.

[Peterski]

Right, there was a little bit of backflow from Americas to Iberia even early on.

Edit:

Ok, his paternal great-grandfather is from Spain. Well, I guess some backflow to Spain in the 1600s is more probable than a Mongol in Spain.

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I've edited my post and added more info to it. This Y-DNA haplogroup has already been found in ancient DNA samples from North America.

It entered North America with Paleo-Eskimos (Dorset culture), who were also ancestral to the Na-Dene tribes according to recent studies.

Na-Dene tribes later migrated as far south as Northern Mexico, and even raided Central and Southern Mexico during Mexican-Indian wars:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO_IkNfT3Iw

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It is probably a Dene-Yenisean lineage, this is why it exists also in Russia/Mongolia, apart from North America:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den%C3%A9%E2%80%93Yeniseian_languages

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Den%C3%A9-Yeniseian.svg/1920px-Den%C3%A9-Yeniseian.svg.png

^^^ Na-Dene languages within the Dene-Yenisean family:

http://ehl.santafe.edu/maps/Na-Dene.gif

His Y-DNA is likely from the Apache or Comanche (the latter aren't Dene, but could absorb it from neighbours & spread it south during their raids):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO_IkNfT3Iw#t=2h56m19s - skip to 2:56:19 to watch the part about Comanche-Mexican wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche%E2%80%93Mexico_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache%E2%80%93Mexico_Wars

^^^ Comanche raids into Mexico:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Comanche_raids_into_Mexico.jpg/1280px-Comanche_raids_into_Mexico.jpg

[Javiberius]

Great, another Troll. Bro I swear, I can’t post anymore threads on The Apricity without trolls on these forums questioning my European heritage saying I’m not really European like it’s funny or something. My direct male ancestor was not from a Native American, that’s ridiculous! Where do you guys come up with this stuff? How absurd!

[Peterski]

Yes I am completely Iberian genetically, both my mother and father are of Pure Iberian ancestry. Like I said, I’m Latino.

What are your autosomal results ??? Post your GEDmatch results.

Being Latino doesn't mean you must be 100% Iberian. Some Latinos are 100% Iberian, but not all.


My direct male ancestor was not from a Native American, that’s ridiculous!

Huh? Either that or a Mongol or a Kazakh. Just look here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/

It is probably a Dene-Yenisean haplogroup (that's why it exists also in Russia, Mongolia etc.).

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It comes from Beringia, according to: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(18)31495-7

"This scenario implies an earlier diversification in Beringia, at around 18.9 (16.7–21.4) kya (the coalescence time of the American and northern Siberian and European Q lineages), and a Beringian origin for the Eurasian lineages Q-L330 and Q-L804, as previously argued for some mtDNA lineages [9], and even for the Dene-Yeniseian languages[33]."

https://i.imgur.com/dg17TQM.png

[Javiberius]

You know what? That’s okay...I’ll pass. I’d rather be Native American, Negroid, or Asian (Siberian) than a pale faced, blue eyed, European Devil!

[Yaglakar]

Q-L330 was a "Scythian" subclade found among Tien Shan and Tuva Sakas as well as Alans in the Caucasus. Could be your Scythian heritage.

[Javiberius]

Q-L330 was a "Scythian" subclade found among Tien Shan and Tuva Sakas as well as Alans in the Caucasus. Could be your Scythian heritage.

That’s exactly what I’ve been told by the administrators in Q-M242 project group at Family Tree DNA. I show up with Scythian in mytrueancestry ancestral timeline dating back 290 BC.

Peterski doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Smh... Q-L330 never made its way to the Americas. I have distant relatives in Europe with a common male ancestor with me who are also most obviously Q-L330.

[Blondie]

Q is altaic (turkic-mongol) and amerindian haplogroup. It arrived to Europe with huns, turkic tribes and mongols, this is your paternal origin. And doesn't matter your Y haplogroup, 70% of finns have n1c siberian haplogroup and they are blnode nordic peoples. Y haplogroup shows your paternal origin, what was in 1000, 2000 or more years ago, but autosomaly dna can be very different because of mixing for centuries.

[Jana]

There are two TA users with haplogroup Q that I know about. One is Ashkenazi Jew (doesn't post anymore) and other is Pomak/Balkan Turk (still active member). His name is Kaspias, he may help you with your haplogroup.

[Blondie]

By the way:

"Q1a2a1c (L330): the main subclade of the Mongols, also found among the Kazakhs and Uzbeks, as well as in Ukraine, Turkey and Greece (probably Mongolian and Turkic)"
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Maybe you're are descedant of Genghis Khan, very possible.

[Dorian]

Khazar Jew?

[xripkan]

According to Yfull it exists among Kazakhs, Mongols, Russians, Hungarians and one English. Alans and Sarmatians moved to Spain on 5th century. Of course they were mostly R-Z93 but among them could exist some minor Mongol/Hunnic lineages. The same way could have arrived to England.

[Kaspias]

This is also my subclade, can you share your FTDNA kit number so i can check from project page?

[Peterski]

Okay I guess I was wrong. Your Y-DNA can be from Alans. But according to a recent 2019 study, this subclade originated from Beringia. Question is whether some of its carriers entered America, or whether all of them went back into Eurasia.

[Javiberius]

My FTDNA kit number is: B220124

[Alenka]

Barely. It's very rare in Europe.

[Kaspias]

Well, his paternal ancestor have nothing to do with Amerindians, L330 can't be seen among them since they migrated back to Eurasia and didn't pass Bering.

You are most probably belong this clade:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4549/

Options:

1. L330 is common among Jews, so i wouldn't miss this option. The individual in yfull from ENG is also Jewish.
2. Mystical heritage from random Steppe folk.

If you have your autosomal results it might help us to predict possible scenarios. Do you have any y matches on FTDNA? Despite we are in the same sub-branch our STR results are pretty different for the first 12 marker, half-half.

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[Pine]

Khazar Jew?

The Q among Ashkenazim is Levantine.

[Javiberius]

Well, his paternal ancestor have nothing to do with Amerindians, L330 can't be seen among them since they migrated back to Eurasia and didn't pass Bering.

You are most probably belong this clade:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4549/

Options:

1. L330 is common among Jews, so i wouldn't miss this option. The individual in yfull from ENG is also Jewish.
2. Mystical heritage from random Steppe folk.

If you have your autosomal results it might help us to predict possible scenarios. Do you have any y matches on FTDNA? Despite we are in the same sub-branch our STR results are pretty different for the first 12 marker, half-half.

14 25 13 10 15-16 12 12 12 14 14 31
13 24 13 10 15-17 12 12 14 13 14 29


Iberia 66%
West and Central Europe 8%
East Europe 6%
Sephardic 10%
North Africa 7%
North and Central America < 2%
South America < 1%

[Javiberius]

Well, his paternal ancestor have nothing to do with Amerindians, L330 can't be seen among them since they migrated back to Eurasia and didn't pass Bering.

You are most probably belong this clade:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4549/

Options:

1. L330 is common among Jews, so i wouldn't miss this option. The individual in yfull from ENG is also Jewish.
2. Mystical heritage from random Steppe folk.

If you have your autosomal results it might help us to predict possible scenarios. Do you have any y matches on FTDNA? Despite we are in the same sub-branch our STR results are pretty different for the first 12 marker, half-half.

14 25 13 10 15-16 12 12 12 14 14 31
13 24 13 10 15-17 12 12 14 13 14 29

I wasn’t aware of L330 being common amongst Jews. That Jewish ENG individual, is his last name Rose? Reason why I ask is because I belong in a cluster with em under L330 along with some others from Venezuela. I think there’s also an Irish L330, which I found on the Q Continuum map.

[xripkan]

Well, his paternal ancestor have nothing to do with Amerindians, L330 can't be seen among them since they migrated back to Eurasia and didn't pass Bering.

You are most probably belong this clade:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4549/

Options:

1. L330 is common among Jews, so i wouldn't miss this option. The individual in yfull from ENG is also Jewish.
2. Mystical heritage from random Steppe folk.

If you have your autosomal results it might help us to predict possible scenarios. Do you have any y matches on FTDNA? Despite we are in the same sub-branch our STR results are pretty different for the first 12 marker, half-half.

14 25 13 10 15-16 12 12 12 14 14 31
13 24 13 10 15-17 12 12 14 13 14 29

An east Eurasian lineage common in Jews could possibly be from Khazars as Dorian said.

[Blondie]

The Q among Ashkenazim is Levantine.

Maybe but haplogroup Q is not original jewish marker, but can be result of judaization, for example it happened with turkic kazars. If this is true, that he has very distant khazar origin. By the way interesting fact that many khazar were reddish haired, i don't know what is OP's hair color maybe ginger. And doesn't matter what happened 1500 years ago, it's irrelevant in 21.century, it don't make you less european, Y haplogroup is just an interesting thing but that's all, i'm sure that OP has 100% european autosomal genetic, or maybe 1-2% asian admixture, doesn't matter.

[Leto]

If you are a Latino, then it must be native American.

[Pine]

Maybe but haplogroup Q is not original jewish marker, but can be result of judaization, for example it happened with turkic kazars. If this is true, that he has very distant khazar origin. By the way interesting fact that many khazar were reddish haired, i don't know what is OP's hair color maybe ginger. And doesn't matter what happened 1500 years ago, it's irrelevant in 21.century, it don't make you less european, Y haplogroup is just an interesting thing but that's all, i'm sure that OP has 100% european autosomal genetic, or maybe 1-2% asian admixture, doesn't matter.

Most Western Jewish (Ashkenazi and Sephardi) Q's are Q-L245. It's clearly Middle Eastern. Its phylogeny even fits well with the story of Abraham. Jewish Khazars, who are contested to have even existed, had no genetic impact on modern Jews. Red hair plays a mythological role and has been attributed to various foreign/enemy groups in ancient times. Thracians were supposed to be red haired. Judas was/is depicted as a redhead. etc. As for Jewish redheads, they've always existed. Red hair exists in every major Jewish group (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrachi, and I've even seen a woman who probably a Yemenite Jew with red hair). Red hair is attested in ancient Jewish texts and Samaritans, who've never left Israel, have 6% of redheads. My beard has some ruddy hairs in it and my sibling had an auburn/ginger tint when younger. I checked my raw DNA for the north European mutations associated with red hair; I am negative on both alleles on all the primary mutations. On the secondary mutations, it's the same picture, but with one exception, where I'm positive on one allele of one mutation. While European admixture sometimes helps cause red hair in Jews, the main origin is Israelite.

[Blondie]

Most Western Jewish (Ashkenazi and Sephardi) Q's are Q-L245. It's clearly Middle Eastern.

But we're talking about Q-L330.

[Turul Karom]

The reminiscence of Q with R1b may prove most western European male bloodlines originate in Central Asia.

All R1 is ancestral Eurasian and you are correct.

[Pine]

But we're talking about Q-L330.

I can't find any Ashkenazim with it. I do see a Romaniote with it and a mention of a Sephardi. So, if an Ashkenazi somewhere carries it, a Khazar origin for it becomes even less likely.

[Pine]

I can't find any Ashkenazim with it. I do see a Romaniote with it and a mention of a Sephardi. So, if an Ashkenazi somewhere carries it, a Khazar origin for it becomes even less likely.

Ok, I see one who might be Ashkenazi - Nathaniel Rose.

[Pine]

Nathaniel Rose is on his own branch. Closest individual on YFull is from Russia's Orlov province and their MRCA estimate is 3600ybp. The Orlov province at a time and possibly even now contained/contains towns previously in the Pale of Settlement.

[Armenian Bishop]

AFAIK, Q-L330 is downstream (descended from) Q-L54.

And Q-L54 exists in North America, including Na-Dene tribes.

Your Y-DNA is most likely from a Native American ancestor.

Your subclade was not present among original prehistoric Amerindians, but it entered America in another migration from Russia - the one ancestral to Dorset Paleo-Eskimos and to Na-Dene tribes. See "Na-Dene populations descend from Paleo-Eskimos":

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/074476v1

^^^
Their descendants migrated as far south as Northern Mexico.


Right, there was a little bit of backflow from Americas to Iberia even early on.

Yea, there's probably a missing link from the New World, that accounts for the Q Haplogroup.

[Kaspias]

I wasn’t aware of L330 being common amongst Jews. That Jewish ENG individual, is his last name Rose? Reason why I ask is because I belong in a cluster with em under L330 along with some others from Venezuela. I think there’s also an Irish L330, which I found on the Q Continuum map.

Yes. L333 or YP4549 Single SNP may help you.

[Crimson Winds]

Alans migrated to to Hispania and they were mixed with the Huns, this may have your connection rather than Askenazi

[Pine]

Well, his paternal ancestor have nothing to do with Amerindians, L330 can't be seen among them since they migrated back to Eurasia and didn't pass Bering.

You are most probably belong this clade:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4549/

Options:

1. L330 is common among Jews, so i wouldn't miss this option. The individual in yfull from ENG is also Jewish.
2. Mystical heritage from random Steppe folk.

If you have your autosomal results it might help us to predict possible scenarios. Do you have any y matches on FTDNA? Despite we are in the same sub-branch our STR results are pretty different for the first 12 marker, half-half.

14 25 13 10 15-16 12 12 12 14 14 31
13 24 13 10 15-17 12 12 14 13 14 29

It's not common and Rose may not be Jewish. Ethnic DNA projects are filled with people from other ethnicities, many of whom join out of curiosity. Also his ancestor lived in England with the name Rose during the 1700's - atypical for a Jew.

[Javiberius]

I’ve done the Big Y700 since March 26 and still I haven’t gotten my results yet, but there has been many setbacks and test failures and I might-(depending on my DNA sample)-need another kit to give another cheek swab for more adequate DNA to get the results before the end of September or October.

[Kaspias]

I’ve done the Big Y700 since March 26 and still I haven’t gotten my results yet, but there has been many setbacks and test failures and I might-(depending on my DNA sample)-need another kit to give another cheek swab for more adequate DNA to get the results before the end of September or October.

Let us know about the updates on your result.

[Balthier]

Most Western Jewish (Ashkenazi and Sephardi) Q's are Q-L245. It's clearly Middle Eastern. Its phylogeny even fits well with the story of Abraham. Jewish Khazars, who are contested to have even existed, had no genetic impact on modern Jews. Red hair plays a mythological role and has been attributed to various foreign/enemy groups in ancient times. Thracians were supposed to be red haired. Judas was/is depicted as a redhead. etc. As for Jewish redheads, they've always existed. Red hair exists in every major Jewish group (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrachi, and I've even seen a woman who probably a Yemenite Jew with red hair). Red hair is attested in ancient Jewish texts and Samaritans, who've never left Israel, have 6% of redheads. My beard has some ruddy hairs in it and my sibling had an auburn/ginger tint when younger. I checked my raw DNA for the north European mutations associated with red hair; I am negative on both alleles on all the primary mutations. On the secondary mutations, it's the same picture, but with one exception, where I'm positive on one allele of one mutation. While European admixture sometimes helps cause red hair in Jews, the main origin is Israelite.

You're wrong, Q-L245 is linked to R1a and the indo-aryan expansions. Came to the Middle East much later than the Semitic fairytales was formed.

[Pine]

You're wrong, Q-L245 is linked to R1a and the indo-aryan expansions. Came to the Middle East much later than the Semitic fairytales was formed.

TMRCA for Q-L245 Jews, Arabs and others is 4000ybp - the time of Abraham. Which ethnicity is your Q-L245 from?

[Balthier]

TMRCA for Q-L245 Jews, Arabs and others is 4000ybp - the time of Abraham. Which ethnicity is your Q-L245 from?

TMRCA!=Date of Arrival, Q2b originates in the Central Asian Steppe, indo-iranians mixed with them and took them down to the Middle East. Abraham didn't exist. Moses is a myth. The only, ONLY native Semitic y-dna haplogroup is E1b, the rest arrived muuch later such as J1 from Caucasia, Q from Central Asia.

[Rico33]

TMRCA!=Date of Arrival, Q2b originates in the Central Asian Steppe, indo-iranians mixed with them and took them down to the Middle East. Abraham didn't exist. Moses is a myth. The only, ONLY native Semitic y-dna haplogroup is E1b, the rest arrived muuch later such as J1 from Caucasia, Q from Central Asia.

What about haplogroup G1?

[Pine]

TMRCA!=Date of Arrival, Q2b originates in the Central Asian Steppe, indo-iranians mixed with them and took them down to the Middle East. Abraham didn't exist. Moses is a myth. The only, ONLY native Semitic y-dna haplogroup is E1b, the rest arrived muuch later such as J1 from Caucasia, Q from Central Asia.

This is getting silly. There are branches of Q-L245 which were formed 4000 years ago and contain no "indo-aryans" on them (ex Q-Y2998,Q-BZ9 etc). It has clearly been around for the Middle East for a while. Let's see the mental gymnastics you'll do to demonstrate that it's a recent arrival. The historicity of Abraham or Moses is utterly irrelevant. Abraham is a key figure in the Jewish origin story. Therefore, if Q-L245 was present in Levant around his time, as is evidenced by Q-Y2209*(and shares an ancestor with an Iraqi 4k YBP), then it's a founding Jewish lineage and cannot be considered an introgression in the slightest. This happens to be in line with one narrative of Abraham, where he's a Chaldean. His actual historicity doesn't matter. You can call Q-L245 indo-aryan, indo-iranian - however far back you need to go to deal with the Middle Eastern cooties caused by your OWD. The ultimate source of J and Q don't matter, because they were in the Levant for the ethnogenesis of the Jewish people. As an aside, it's silly to call E1b Semitic, as it's prevalent in West Africa. What you mean is that it predated other lineages in the Levant. Sure, but it's irrelevant.

[Balthier]

This is getting silly. There are branches of Q-L245 which were formed 4000 years ago and contain no "indo-aryans" on them (ex Q-Y2998,Q-BZ9 etc). It has clearly been around for the Middle East for a while. Let's see the mental gymnastics you'll do to demonstrate that it's a recent arrival. The historicity of Abraham or Moses is utterly irrelevant. Abraham is a key figure in the Jewish origin story. Therefore, if Q-L245 was present in Levant around his time, as is evidenced by Q-Y2209*(and shares an ancestor with an Iraqi 4k YBP), then it's a founding Jewish lineage and cannot be considered an introgression in the slightest. This happens to be in line with one narrative of Abraham, where he's a Chaldean. His actual historicity doesn't matter. You can call Q-L245 indo-aryan, indo-iranian - however far back you need to go to deal with the Middle Eastern cooties caused by your OWD. The ultimate source of J and Q don't matter, because they were in the Levant for the ethnogenesis of the Jewish people. As an aside, it's silly to call E1b Semitic, as it's prevalent in West Africa. What you mean is that it predated other lineages in the Levant. Sure, but it's irrelevant.

All this talk, provide me with a study, all the studies that have been done in on Q-L275 branches in the ME (which is Q-L245) point out that when indo-iranians migrated to the middle east from central Asia, they assimilated the q individuals and brought them together with them. You can look at the Andronovo culture if you really wanna know more about it. I don't know who exactly did this, maybe it was the Medes and their ancestors, it's not the point. the point is that you're wrong and Q-L245 definetely joined to the Semitic peoples much later in history. i don't wann hear your biased bullshit any longer. There is a reason Q-L245 found mostly in Persians, you know.

[Javiberius]

Let us know about the updates on your result.

My Big Y700 results came in, do you still have my FTDNA kit number?

[Kaspias]

My Big Y700 results came in, do you still have my FTDNA kit number?

Unfortunately, can you send me again?

[Javiberius]

Unfortunately, can you send me again?

B220124

[Kaspias]

B220124

Q-L54 -> Q-L330 -> Q-YP771 -> Q-L332 -> Q-YP1695-> Q-BZ427 -> Q-FT35891. About 1100 years old.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ427/

You are in the same subgroup with id:YF02841. He is from Kazakhstan and Naiman descent.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naimans)

Q-BZ427 found in Avar Elite(AC7) in the Szarvas-Kovácshalom (Hungary, Békés county), second half of the 7th century AD.
Q-YP1695 found in Iron Age nomadic tomb (DA221), Kargaly (Kazakhstan, Tien-San), radiocarbon estimated age 2565 years.
Q-L332 found in Scythian Tomb (IS2), Zevakino-Lutheran Culture, Ismailovo (Kazakhstan), 9-6 BC. century; Okunev Culture (RISE662 and RISE718); Alan's Tomb (DA161), Arkhonskaya, North Ossetia, 6-8 century AD.
Q-YP771 found in Hun-Sarmatian Tomb (DA20), Northeast Saryarka (Kazakhstan), estimated age based on radiocarbon study 2233 years; Sarmatian tomb (DA141), Rostov Oblast (Russia), 1st century AD; [10] Okunev Culture (RISE719)

Alan migration:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Alans.jpg

Also Hunnic movements:

https://www.animatedmaps.div.ed.ac.uk/Divinity6web/images/hun.gif
About Avars;

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/415760v2

This article suggest that Khagan Bayan was belong to BZ427.



It is neither about Jewish nor Amerindian ancestry, i can guarantee that. You are from the Great Steppe.

[xripkan]

Q-L54 -> Q-L330 -> Q-YP771 -> Q-L332 -> Q-YP1695-> Q-BZ427 -> Q-FT35891. About 1100 years old.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ427/

You are in the same subgroup with id:YF02841. He is from Kazakhstan and Naiman descent.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naimans)

Q-BZ427 found in Avar Elite(AC7) in the Szarvas-Kovácshalom (Hungary, Békés county), second half of the 7th century AD.
Q-YP1695 found in Iron Age nomadic tomb (DA221), Kargaly (Kazakhstan, Tien-San), radiocarbon estimated age 2565 years.
Q-L332 found in Scythian Tomb (IS2), Zevakino-Lutheran Culture, Ismailovo (Kazakhstan), 9-6 BC. century; Okunev Culture (RISE662 and RISE718); Alan's Tomb (DA161), Arkhonskaya, North Ossetia, 6-8 century AD.
Q-YP771 found in Hun-Sarmatian Tomb (DA20), Northeast Saryarka (Kazakhstan), estimated age based on radiocarbon study 2233 years; Sarmatian tomb (DA141), Rostov Oblast (Russia), 1st century AD; [10] Okunev Culture (RISE719)

Alan migration:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Alans.jpg

Also Hunnic movements:

https://www.animatedmaps.div.ed.ac.uk/Divinity6web/images/hun.gif
About Avars;

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/415760v2

This article suggest that Khagan Bayan was belong to BZ427.



It is neither about Jewish nor Amerindian ancestry, i can guarantee that. You are from the Great Steppe.
Avars did not move to Spain as far as I know. He is more likely to descend from Hunnic remnants that moved to Iberia with Alans or Visigoths.

[Kaspias]

Avars did not move to Spain as far as I know. He is more likely to descend from Hunnic remnants that moved to Iberia with Alans or Visigoths.

You are right, they hadn't moved. Alans and Huns are more probable.

[Javiberius]

Q-L54 -> Q-L330 -> Q-YP771 -> Q-L332 -> Q-YP1695-> Q-BZ427 -> Q-FT35891. About 1100 years old.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ427/

You are in the same subgroup with id:YF02841. He is from Kazakhstan and Naiman descent.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naimans)

Q-BZ427 found in Avar Elite(AC7) in the Szarvas-Kovácshalom (Hungary, Békés county), second half of the 7th century AD.
Q-YP1695 found in Iron Age nomadic tomb (DA221), Kargaly (Kazakhstan, Tien-San), radiocarbon estimated age 2565 years.
Q-L332 found in Scythian Tomb (IS2), Zevakino-Lutheran Culture, Ismailovo (Kazakhstan), 9-6 BC. century; Okunev Culture (RISE662 and RISE718); Alan's Tomb (DA161), Arkhonskaya, North Ossetia, 6-8 century AD.
Q-YP771 found in Hun-Sarmatian Tomb (DA20), Northeast Saryarka (Kazakhstan), estimated age based on radiocarbon study 2233 years; Sarmatian tomb (DA141), Rostov Oblast (Russia), 1st century AD; [10] Okunev Culture (RISE719)

Alan migration:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Alans.jpg

Also Hunnic movements:

https://www.animatedmaps.div.ed.ac.uk/Divinity6web/images/hun.gif
About Avars;

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/415760v2

This article suggest that Khagan Bayan was belong to BZ427.



It is neither about Jewish nor Amerindian ancestry, i can guarantee that. You are from the Great Steppe.

I’m just wondering how and where you found this information? FTDNA?

[Kaspias]

I’m just wondering how and where you found this information? FTDNA?

I have contact with the admin of the Kazakh DNA project. I asked him about id:YF02841.

The rest are from articles and general information on Q haplogroup.

[Rocinante]

I'm Q! Nice amerindian haplo!

[Leto]

Any thoughts on Q-M242? Where is it from?

[Leto]

Recently found an ethnic Russian with Q-L53. And his Mong is very low quite actually.

[Pine]

Q-L330 now looks like a fully Turkic marker.