Peterski
09-22-2019, 11:16 AM
In the thread about Jewish genetics on Anthrogenica, one user was playing with Eurogenes West Eurasian PCA trying to check whether it is possible to distinguish one genetic cluster encompassing all of Jewish Diaspora groups. He managed to find it with K=20, cluster #4. Interestingly, it seems that he also found a Slavic cluster as well:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14484-Could-Western-Jews-(Ash-and-Seph-)-descend-from-Aegeans-and-Levantine-admixture&p=602939&viewfull=1#post602939
I've been playing with Past3. I took Davidski's West Eurasian .dat file and opened it in Past3. I added myself to it and ran k-medians on it, with k=20 and then something amazing happened. A cluster emerged with every kind of Western Jew (the Ashkenazi is listed last) and every kind of Mizrachi Jew. It was cluster #4:
(...)
Here is the full list of the cluster assignment:
https://justpaste.it/2miid
While not every single member of every Western Jewish and Mizrachi group made it into the cluster, every subgroup had some member(s) in it. Also, not every single gentile Levantine sample made it into the cluster. You'll also note that no Europeans made it into the cluster.
Needless to state, one doesn't have to believe that I found Judea, but they should. (...)
^^^ Cluster #5 in that list encompasses individuals from nearly all Slavic groups (except for the ones most heavily admixed with Paleo-Balkan or Finno-Ugric populations). The following modern samples fall into this cluster:
Austrian:Austria15 5
Austrian:Austria5 5
Belarusian:Belarusian1 5
Belarusian:Belarusian10 5
Belarusian:Belarusian11 5
Belarusian:Belarusian12 5
Belarusian:Belarusian13 5
Belarusian:Belarusian14 5
Belarusian:Belarusian15 5
Belarusian:Belarusian2 5
Belarusian:Belarusian3 5
Belarusian:Belarusian4 5
Belarusian:Belarusian5 5
Belarusian:Belarusian6 5
Belarusian:Belarusian7 5
Belarusian:Belarusian8 5
Belarusian:Belarusian9 5
Cossack_Ukrainian:GS000035238 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro133 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro141 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro198 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro26 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro302 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro43 5
Czech:Czech2 5
Czech:NA15724 5
Czech:NA15725 5
Czech:NA15726 5
Czech:NA15727 5
Czech:NA15728 5
Czech:NA15729 5
Czech:NA15731 5
Czech:NA15732 5
Czech:NA15733 5
Estonian:Est358 5
Estonian:Est397 5
Estonian:Est400 5
Finnish:HG00277 5
Finnish:HG00311 5
Finnish:HG00350 5
German:German13 5
German:German17 5
German:German18 5
German:German20 5
German:German23 5
German:German36 5
German:German42 5
German:German62 5
German:German63 5
German:German64 5
German:German75 5
German:German8 5
German_East:German_East2 5
German_East:German_East4 5
German_East:German_East5 5
German_East:German_East6 5
Hungarian:HungarianC5 5
Hungarian:HungarianH3 5
Hungarian:NA15200 5
Hungarian:NA15203 5
Hungarian:NA15205 5
Ingrian:GS000016896 5
Lithuanian:LithuanianD1 5
Mordovian:MOE-495 5
Polish:Polish1 5
Polish:Polish10 5
Polish:Polish11 5
Polish:Polish12 5
Polish:Polish13 5
Polish:Polish14 5
Polish:Polish15 5
Polish:Polish16 5
Polish:Polish17 5
Polish:Polish18 5
Polish:Polish2 5
Polish:Polish20 5
Polish:Polish21 5
Polish:Polish22 5
Polish:Polish23 5
Polish:Polish24 5
Polish:Polish25 5
Polish:Polish26 5
Polish:Polish27 5
Polish:Polish28 5
Polish:Polish29 5
Polish:Polish3 5
Polish:Polish30 5
Polish:Polish31 5
Polish:Polish32 5
Polish:Polish33 5
Polish:Polish34 5
Polish:Polish35 5
Polish:Polish36 5
Polish:Polish37 5
Polish:Polish38 5
Polish:Polish39 5
Polish:Polish4 5
Polish:Polish40 5
Polish:Polish41 5
Polish:Polish5 5
Polish:Polish6 5
Polish:Polish7 5
Polish:Polish8 5
Polish:Polish9 5
Polish:S_Polish-1 5
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk15 5
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk18 5
Russian_Kursk:russianKursk6 5
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk9 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol1 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100 5
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol34 5
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol45 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol89 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol303 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol304 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol312 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol339 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol345 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol349 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol350 5
Russian_Smolensk:SM256_russian_Smolensk 5
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver415 5
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver442 5
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver472 5
Russian_Voronez:russianVoron101 5
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron103 5
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron105 5
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron107 5
Slovakian:Slovakia118 5
Slovakian:Slovakia77 5
Slovakian:Slovakia85 5
Slovakian:Slovakia94 5
Slovakian:Slovakia96 5
Slovenian:Slovenian147 5
Slovenian:Slovenian90 5
Swedish:Sweden15 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1283 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1291 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1292 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1377 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1399 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1903 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1909 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1913 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1951 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1978 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1992 5
Ukrainian:UKR-2021 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian1 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian10 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian11 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian12 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian13 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian14 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian15 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian16 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian17 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian18 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian19 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian2 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian20 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian21 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian22 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian23 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian3 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian4 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian5 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian6 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian7 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian8 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian9 5
15 of 15 = 100% Belarusians
35 of 35 = 100% Ukrainians
1 of 1 = 100% Ukraine Cossacks
4 of 4 = 100% Kursk Russians
7 of 7 = 100% Orel Russians
8 of 8 = 100% Smolensk Russians
4 of 4 = 100% Voronezh Russians
41 of 41 = 100% Poles
5 of 5 = 100% Slovaks
10 of 13 = 77% Czechs
3 of 4 = 75% Tver Russians
6 of 10 = 60% Croats
2 of 5 = 40% Slovenians
5 of 14 = 36% Hungarians
1 of 3 = 33% Ingrians
3 of 10 = 30% Estonians
1 of 4 = 25% Lithuanians
16 of 87 = 18% Germans
2 of 17 = 12% Austrians
3 of 25 = 12% Finns
1 of 22 = 5% Mordvins
1 of 22 = 5% Swedes
=====
As well as the following ancient samples, divided by time period:
1. Neolithic & Copper Age:
UKR_Dereivka_I_En2:I4110 5
2. Bronze Age & Iron Age:
POL_EBA:I6579 5
Corded_Ware_POL:N47 5
Corded_Ware_POL:N49 5
HUN_Mako_EBA:I1502 5
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I3528 5
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5531 5
Bell_Beaker_CZE:I5025 5
Scythian_HUN:DA191 5
Scythian_UKR:scy009 5
3. Migration Period & Medieval:
CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569 5
HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 5
HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 5
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19 5
KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro:DA29 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84005 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm035 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160 5
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14484-Could-Western-Jews-(Ash-and-Seph-)-descend-from-Aegeans-and-Levantine-admixture&p=602939&viewfull=1#post602939
I've been playing with Past3. I took Davidski's West Eurasian .dat file and opened it in Past3. I added myself to it and ran k-medians on it, with k=20 and then something amazing happened. A cluster emerged with every kind of Western Jew (the Ashkenazi is listed last) and every kind of Mizrachi Jew. It was cluster #4:
(...)
Here is the full list of the cluster assignment:
https://justpaste.it/2miid
While not every single member of every Western Jewish and Mizrachi group made it into the cluster, every subgroup had some member(s) in it. Also, not every single gentile Levantine sample made it into the cluster. You'll also note that no Europeans made it into the cluster.
Needless to state, one doesn't have to believe that I found Judea, but they should. (...)
^^^ Cluster #5 in that list encompasses individuals from nearly all Slavic groups (except for the ones most heavily admixed with Paleo-Balkan or Finno-Ugric populations). The following modern samples fall into this cluster:
Austrian:Austria15 5
Austrian:Austria5 5
Belarusian:Belarusian1 5
Belarusian:Belarusian10 5
Belarusian:Belarusian11 5
Belarusian:Belarusian12 5
Belarusian:Belarusian13 5
Belarusian:Belarusian14 5
Belarusian:Belarusian15 5
Belarusian:Belarusian2 5
Belarusian:Belarusian3 5
Belarusian:Belarusian4 5
Belarusian:Belarusian5 5
Belarusian:Belarusian6 5
Belarusian:Belarusian7 5
Belarusian:Belarusian8 5
Belarusian:Belarusian9 5
Cossack_Ukrainian:GS000035238 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro133 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro141 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro198 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro26 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro302 5
Croatian:Croatia_Cro43 5
Czech:Czech2 5
Czech:NA15724 5
Czech:NA15725 5
Czech:NA15726 5
Czech:NA15727 5
Czech:NA15728 5
Czech:NA15729 5
Czech:NA15731 5
Czech:NA15732 5
Czech:NA15733 5
Estonian:Est358 5
Estonian:Est397 5
Estonian:Est400 5
Finnish:HG00277 5
Finnish:HG00311 5
Finnish:HG00350 5
German:German13 5
German:German17 5
German:German18 5
German:German20 5
German:German23 5
German:German36 5
German:German42 5
German:German62 5
German:German63 5
German:German64 5
German:German75 5
German:German8 5
German_East:German_East2 5
German_East:German_East4 5
German_East:German_East5 5
German_East:German_East6 5
Hungarian:HungarianC5 5
Hungarian:HungarianH3 5
Hungarian:NA15200 5
Hungarian:NA15203 5
Hungarian:NA15205 5
Ingrian:GS000016896 5
Lithuanian:LithuanianD1 5
Mordovian:MOE-495 5
Polish:Polish1 5
Polish:Polish10 5
Polish:Polish11 5
Polish:Polish12 5
Polish:Polish13 5
Polish:Polish14 5
Polish:Polish15 5
Polish:Polish16 5
Polish:Polish17 5
Polish:Polish18 5
Polish:Polish2 5
Polish:Polish20 5
Polish:Polish21 5
Polish:Polish22 5
Polish:Polish23 5
Polish:Polish24 5
Polish:Polish25 5
Polish:Polish26 5
Polish:Polish27 5
Polish:Polish28 5
Polish:Polish29 5
Polish:Polish3 5
Polish:Polish30 5
Polish:Polish31 5
Polish:Polish32 5
Polish:Polish33 5
Polish:Polish34 5
Polish:Polish35 5
Polish:Polish36 5
Polish:Polish37 5
Polish:Polish38 5
Polish:Polish39 5
Polish:Polish4 5
Polish:Polish40 5
Polish:Polish41 5
Polish:Polish5 5
Polish:Polish6 5
Polish:Polish7 5
Polish:Polish8 5
Polish:Polish9 5
Polish:S_Polish-1 5
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk15 5
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk18 5
Russian_Kursk:russianKursk6 5
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk9 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol1 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100 5
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol34 5
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol45 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78 5
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol89 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol303 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol304 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol312 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol339 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol345 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol349 5
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol350 5
Russian_Smolensk:SM256_russian_Smolensk 5
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver415 5
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver442 5
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver472 5
Russian_Voronez:russianVoron101 5
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron103 5
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron105 5
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron107 5
Slovakian:Slovakia118 5
Slovakian:Slovakia77 5
Slovakian:Slovakia85 5
Slovakian:Slovakia94 5
Slovakian:Slovakia96 5
Slovenian:Slovenian147 5
Slovenian:Slovenian90 5
Swedish:Sweden15 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1283 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1291 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1292 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1377 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1399 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1903 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1909 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1913 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1951 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1978 5
Ukrainian:UKR-1992 5
Ukrainian:UKR-2021 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian1 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian10 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian11 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian12 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian13 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian14 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian15 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian16 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian17 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian18 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian19 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian2 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian20 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian21 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian22 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian23 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian3 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian4 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian5 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian6 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian7 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian8 5
Ukrainian:Ukrainian9 5
15 of 15 = 100% Belarusians
35 of 35 = 100% Ukrainians
1 of 1 = 100% Ukraine Cossacks
4 of 4 = 100% Kursk Russians
7 of 7 = 100% Orel Russians
8 of 8 = 100% Smolensk Russians
4 of 4 = 100% Voronezh Russians
41 of 41 = 100% Poles
5 of 5 = 100% Slovaks
10 of 13 = 77% Czechs
3 of 4 = 75% Tver Russians
6 of 10 = 60% Croats
2 of 5 = 40% Slovenians
5 of 14 = 36% Hungarians
1 of 3 = 33% Ingrians
3 of 10 = 30% Estonians
1 of 4 = 25% Lithuanians
16 of 87 = 18% Germans
2 of 17 = 12% Austrians
3 of 25 = 12% Finns
1 of 22 = 5% Mordvins
1 of 22 = 5% Swedes
=====
As well as the following ancient samples, divided by time period:
1. Neolithic & Copper Age:
UKR_Dereivka_I_En2:I4110 5
2. Bronze Age & Iron Age:
POL_EBA:I6579 5
Corded_Ware_POL:N47 5
Corded_Ware_POL:N49 5
HUN_Mako_EBA:I1502 5
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I3528 5
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5531 5
Bell_Beaker_CZE:I5025 5
Scythian_HUN:DA191 5
Scythian_UKR:scy009 5
3. Migration Period & Medieval:
CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569 5
HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 5
HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 5
UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19 5
KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro:DA29 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84005 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm035 5
SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160 5